Its true we have fascists in aotearoa,under the umbrella of labour,national and anyother nazi agenda party. First they sold (gave) our assets,worth billions for millions.introduce bills to keep us quiet,hit us with weapons of mass deception(television, media etc etc)now big pharma’s stooges in kiwi ,my cuzzies, yor cuzzies fought and died to rid these treacherous arrogant greedy incompetant big corperation lap dog neocons,my whanau yor whanau spit at these disgusting people,yes,700 years of maori history condemn and detest your hidden agenda’s that the world now see and understands.

it just means the natural health market will need smarter marketing strategies. make the most of other ways to the build brand awareness outside of the normal channels, but still legal within the current medsafe regulations. if they packaged things in some cool new way that was less harmful to the environment, campaign the whole thing as some bollux low-CO2 emissions crap & applied for tax releif from govt then it might gain some momentumn. Just typing as i think here. Natural health industry wants to stay elusive & 1 step ahead of people trying to hold them out. Medsafe sucks but it’s not unbeatable.

Natural medicines are delivering the results that pharmaceutical (toxic) medicines cant. A big number of people are turning to natural medicines for treatment and cure. Now Medsafe who are control by those money hungry idiots, knows that if they dont act now to stop these natural medicines, in ten years time they will be out of business. Their game is all about money, not about you and your health. That’s their main reason why they want to outlawed these natural medicines. Together we can stand up and voice our concern, let the public know why this govt wants to regulate natural medicines. Come the elections and we will vote this labour govt out.

This legislation has nothing to do with stopping anyone from accessing alternative therapies. It is to STOP FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT SUPPOSEDLY NATURAL PRODUCTS. As it is, as long as a product fell into the “natural therapy/Dietary supplement” catagory ANY sort of claim could be made about it whatsoever (provided the wording of said claim was clever enough). This will make the natural therapy industry stronger, my culling out the liars and cooks that damage the reputation of this industry.
This legislation has nothing to do with forcing you or your family to take any medication that you are so hell bent on not taking. It simply means that no-one can advertise that they have a magical all-cure elixir that is nothing more than rose petal pigment and spring water.
In saying that, most of you already know that what you are saying is total bullshit. You’re just angry because it just got that much more difficult to line your pockets by selling people false therapies. If your “medicine” is so good why don’t you do the trials and prove it? I’m not talking anecdotal evidence either, I mean actual scientifically planned and controlled experiments that provide proper results.

Thats one side of the fence.InOz around 60%of products have disappeared from the markets and thats whats wanted here by big medicine.A lot of genuine smaller businesses would go under financialy if forced to prove anything or couldnt afford it playing right into “medicines”hands!So called natural remedies are taking too much clout and profit away.Our ignorance is their weapon.Sure,look at the pharma sharks snake oils-sure theyre tested and ghost writers appraisals published.Just who is selling the snake oils?Pink Floyd-mother should i trust the govt?This fence has a few sides so beware.Malnutrician is death-slow death and more than this,this operation is part of ridding the planet of billions of useless eaters as kissinger once said,first stamping out all info about how to be healthy and stifling free speech,but you dont wantem to kick the bucket to quick-make a buck first!The future generations will never forgive us if we let them abuse us again,especially in this way.Our lives are just that and the so called future is for those we leave behind.We have a big responsibility here to ensure some sort of existence for those who come after usSilence is consent!The ministers of govt and medicine could care less about their own families to allow this and the millions in tax that they will kill?Why would they so badly want to ruin their own income,let alone the livlyhoods of thousands.It literally sick!Zede.

There are many levels to all of this on the one hand ursula you are right that is what the reasoning or should I say propaganda to the general public will say – and it is logical – these things are being done to safe guard your wellbeing and your health it will say – but do some real research and you will find a much bigger picture that will reveal a global assault by both big pharma and the biotec industry concealed by the codex Alimentarius all driven by an agenda that our ministry of health has not revealed – the WTO is pushing this – and its not for your health or wellbeing but to standardized the way trade is governed between nation states

this is the outcome of not paying attention nor taking responsibility to what is happening around you – not being aware enough to bother and like the consequences of our disconnection with nature and the natural world climate change/global warming arrives to show us in no uncertain terms like the codex and the TGA harmonization bill that we have been irresponsible and arrogant in our duties to safe guard what we thought was a democracy

however there is another more positive way to look at all this, it is not without its challenge however, this is a huge challenge but in a real sense what I see is a huge paradigm shift – in that alternative health has reached its peak its tipping point in that so many are now supporting alternative health therapies – hell 15 years ago or more there were few therapist around and hardly any natural health food shops or self help book shops like there is today – the shift has been fast and its growth phenomenal – any how what happens when natural remedies reach peak is they tip/spill into main stream the status quo – this of course freaks out the established status quo – in this case allopathic medicine i.e the sickness industry and it reacts – which is what we are seeing in this case

what we are seeing here is happening on a global level – its not just little old NZzzzzz – we are in transformational times on every level – a new paradigm is beginning to emerge and the fight is on by the old to remain top dog

we have a huge challenge on our hands because we are not only ‘fighting’ to keep our natural alternatives but to change the paradigm of control and domination which is reaching its end point as well – see it as a clash of cultures – we don’t yet know who will win but since the alternative health movement has grown so fast and gained so much momentum within a relatively short period of time , the odds are on it succeeding and ushering in a new transitional phase of complimentary medicine

therefore our approach needs to be tempered with caution in that anger – a valid enough emotion – needs to be tempered with co operation – Sue Kedley’s appeal in my opinion is the one we should all be supporting – as she says there is no government mandate for this action – its a bureaucratic action not a parliamentary one and in that sense I would say its illegal what they have done and are doing

sue has said ” This represents a new policy, and as such it should be based on legislation that has been passed through Parliament. thats the legal way things are done and medsafe has over stepped itself

and …..” appealing to the Minister of Health to step in and tell Medsafe to stop their vengeful activities, and instead sit down with the local industry and work out a sensible regime for regulating dietary supplements and natural remedies”

creating our own regulatory body is the way to go and we need to support this – however since the WTO is the one driving this agenda the challenge to create our own body is going to be huge and the more people who come on board and help the better the chances of success

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Unity1, I can summarise your whole argument: “Woah dude, the Man is trying to keep us down. There’s like this total conspiracy or whatever. Free your mind! Fight the Man!!!”
Sick people, particularly terminally ill people, are very vulnerable. This makes them easy prey for those less scrupulous business owners who are quite prepared to sell them crack-pot therapies that do not work. If you were going to die, and someone offered you a chance of a cure for fifty thousand dollars, would you take it? With the right sales pitch, I might!! But under this legislation, it would be illegal to sell a product that had not been proven to be effective. How on earth can this be considered a negative thing?
By the way, It’s not just large multi-nationals that dislike natural therapies, lots of typical kiwis think that it’s bull shit too!!!

Ursula, wake up, tell me who peddles cures really, the big pharma industry. Multi billion dollar industries, who with big money and influence have positioned themselves to reap massive benefits from the sick and dieing.
It is not ok to say that adequate sunlight everyday can produce enough vitamin D that can cut all cancers by a stagering 77%, but the drug Cos can only promote the rubbish death sentence called chemotherapy, proven to be overall WORTHLESS.
Its not ok to say St Johns Wort eases depression, but its worth subjecting our people to mind altering recognised worthless Phychotropic drugs that cause death, suicides, suicidal thoughts, and abortions of feotuses. Consider that all school killings, where the murderers were all on these drugs, but hey whos the bad industry here.
Its not ok to prevent cancer using hundreds of suppressed proven therapies, but it is ok to radiate females breasts, in affect actually causing cancer (another proven worthless drug Co scam) and waiting till they line up for the chop. Or even better sign them up for Company lobby hyped drugs like Herceptin again showing near worthless benefits, but while lobby groups infultrate cancer groups to create the need for these drugs, the good old taxpayer will foot the bill. This is our Health system.
Its not ok to promote good health using vitamins and minerals so that our bodies can stay healthy, but it ok to subject our people a system of illness where every condition has a drug, highly marketed for profit, not for cures. Its ok to promote drugs like Gardasil for HPV, while it takes and investigation to uncover a scandal that in the not publicised FDA and JAMA documents this drug is worthless and with girls who already have a strain of HPV can increase lesions 44% which leads to cancer. A drug that actually increases the risk of the cancer it was created for, but hey whos the bad Co right? Oh and while where at it the vaccine has Polysorbate 80 in it, associated with sterility and also Borax, you know the bathtub cleaner. But whos taking advantahe I ask you.
Want to talk about bullshit? Why does our so called health minister want to stop natural therapies because of the risk, when there has been NO deaths to date (NZ Coroner) but its ok to wait till 160,000 people are dead before they withdrawl an anti inflammatory called VIOXX. COX2 inhibitors damage the heart and there are still others being consumed and killing people, but whos the real danger here, right.
Or how about the suppressed proven treatment of HIV by scientists using natural derived carbohydrate technologies, such an amazing discovery but the Drug Industries suppressed that and had the scientists ridiculed. No its better to be like the Asprin maker Bayer and come up with a drug for heamophiliacs that was infected with HIV and wound up killing them. But in order no to damage their profit, with the help of the FDA, had the rest shipped off and sold in other countries knowing it was going to kill many, but whos the bad Co here I ask you.

Lets get real, the Drug System is corrupt and by the end of this decade the Natural Industry will represent over $1 trillion in sales (the next big boom) and big pharma will lose billions.
Worldwide legislation, being pushed by industry cash and lobbyists, use free trips, cash bribes, donations to campaigns, bonuses and donations to non profits secure taxpayer funded treatments to prolong disease, not cure. In fact in the US alone over 1,000,000 die each year at the hands of a qualified doctor. In NZ the figures are comparable per capita and represents near four times that of the deaths on the roads each year. People actually go to hospital to catch diseases now.
The turning point is now, and the CODEX system that will come into effect on Dec 31 2009 will run all world peoples health. It has been estimated Half the worlds population will eventually perish due to nutritional deficiences, where foods nutrient sources will be replaced by deadly GM and synthetic varieties. The most evil man on earth note Henery Kissinger runs the Polical drive to reduce populations and has publically sought support to do so. He has business connections to the WHO vaccination programmes being run today. I know this to be true from UN members personally and supporting research which anyone can find.
Your entitled to believe that the natural industry is full of crackpots, but let me tell you this, our laws say that these products must be proven safe, and guess what, they have been. These products are to be proven to work, and guess what thousands of tests does exactly like medicines have proven their benefits, but because the drug industry cannot profit from a naturally derived nutrient, its not worth promoting. Rathe better to isolate the property that causes to health promotion and synthesise it. Them make lots of cash
This very idea is the very reason that over 50% of the drugs we use exist. They derived from natural plants fruits and essences. Not you or any doctor or scientist can dispute that power of natural medicine, because without it in the first place, their drug system would hardly even exist.
But dont forget, as you say, even the original scientists, must have been crackpots.

I agree the over 50% of the drugs we use exist, however one must note that big PHARMA and there business associates from the banks and governments occupy or control or deal with countries like Peru in secret which brings in alot of coca (the drug) and the CIA aka Cocaine Imports of America, are the lifters, much like the army being used for heroin in Vietnam.

Why do i say this? Countries will fight a war, Small countries afterwards get a public embargo or cut-off of a neccessity, and international bankers pull the strings, in this health products or drugs, get increased and a new craze drug will come out, whether it be for botox, agent orange, AIDS, small-pox, avian bird flu or something else.

In effect these drugs will ever kill people slowly, deform them and have issues when older in life or just mess them up to be incapable of true thought and dummed down. This is what they want, population control and decreases whilst having an obedient order to rule over persons who think no evil ignorantly.

I have become aware of a greater force at play here in the form of “Codex Alimentarius” which was set up by the convicted war criminal Fritz derMeer who was president of the company IG Farben that produced the gas and other things for the Nazis. Codex is now adopted by the World Trade commission so countries are rushing to adopt Codex so that they can harmonise in world trade. Codex standards become mandatory on December 31st 2009 for all member countries which is what is initiating the NZ stance on vitamins, minerals and herbs at the moment.
Codex has created regulations that require for instance…
1) that every animal (fish, birds, beast etc) must be injected with growth hormones and antibiotics.
2) that all food (including organic food) imported into a country or all food which is to be cooked must be irradiated (raw local food does not have to be irradiated).
3) that all (18 allowed) nutrients must be limited to 100th of the level that causes a discernable impact on people. Co-Q10 and Glucosamine are currently NOT on the allowed list which will make them illegal.
4) that all cattle except organic cattle must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine hormone.
5) that organic cattle can be reclassified as organic after injecting with hormones at the farmer discretion.
6) In 2001, 176 countries unanimously banned the 12 worst chemicals (persistent organic pollutants) and Codex has bought back 9 of them.
7) Codex has a ratchet clause – once you are in Codex you cannot get out!!! Codex has standards for all things that go into your mouth except pharmaceuticals because these are deemed safe.

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