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THE COMING ICE AGE IS NEARLY HERE

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By Glenys Crompton
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18 May 2007

I am not a climatologist nor do I have any other degree relating to the weather or the planet, but sitting in front of a computer I have managed to discover that not only is global warming not caused by man, but global warming is not happening , in fact we have global cooling! There is a simple equation to work out if the planet is cooling or heating, if you have ice accumulation on land and sea levels are dropping then you have cooling, it may surprise you to learn that this is what is actually going on. I will explain all the supporting factors which are at present driving the planet to cool, as well as all the evidence of which there is plenty, to prove that the planet is in fact cooling. I include references so you can check my study.

My study have shown me that it is the unprecedented rise in volcanic activity that is driving the present climate change. Nobody really knows the cause of the greatly increased level of volcanic activity, just that it is going on. Volcanoes in the sea make up 80% to 90% of the earth’s volcanoes and these are the ones most active, especially those on the plate boundaries. They have hardly been noticed by most except that it appears warmer, the ocean has warmed and the CO2 rate is going through the roof .

Most of us are unaware however that ice has been accumulating in increasing amounts at the poles and the temperature has been declining there – despite many reports to the contrary.

We have been blaming ourselves for the CO2 rise when in fact volcanoes are fair pumping out the CO2. Ice core records collected from the Antarctic ice show that CO2 increases don’t precede, and therefore don’t cause, warming. Rather they follow temperature rises — by as much as 800 years. While human’s contribution to the atmosphere’s CO2 load appears large on a human scale, it is actually less than half of 1% of the atmosphere’s total CO2 content. The CO2 emissions of our civilization are dwarfed by emissions of the gas from the earth’s oceans and land, also CO2 is only a minor greenhouse gas, water vapour actually constitutes 95% of green house gases and CO2 is an essential plant food. Without greenhouse gases, Earth would be a lifeless snow ball.

Volcanoes make an enormous amount of CO2 and there has been a fourfold increase in volcanic activity in the last hundred years which no doubt has lead to the very high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere at present. Every ice age has been preceded by a rise in the level of CO2 in the atmosphere to over 300 ppm (parts per million) and the present level is now approaching 400ppm, should we not be concerned that Mother Nature is trying to tell us something? A New Zealand scientist, J.R.Bray found major volcanic eruptions apparently occurred at the crucial moments to have triggered each significant glacial advance in the past 40,000 years.

A huge CO2 rise was recorded at the beginning of the last ice age. Ice core records show earth has undergone a series of ice ages every 100,000 years or so like clockwork, with about 90,000 years of glaciation followed by 10,000 or 12,000 years of interglaciation and it has now been about 12,000 years since the last ice age ended. Are we not overdue for another period of glaciation? Or has Al Gore repealed the laws of nature?

The Arctic Circle has rows and rows of active volcano’s there are huge numbers of chimneys – 30, 40, 50 or more. Scientists found two large high-temperature fields and explored them; they came upon a large mound of chimneys with superheated water jetting out of them. In the distance, they saw another mound and then beyond that, another one, and so on. Temperatures in one field reached as high as 260 degrees Celsius, and the scientists believe they may have approached 300 degrees Celsius in the second field, although they were unable to measure them.

“The chimneys were so dense that it was difficult in some areas to get the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) in there. In fact the ROV cable stuck on one of them, it almost melted”. The scientists believe there are additional vent fields yet to be discovered. So it seems little wonder that the sea ice is melting in the Arctic. Source: Oregon State University August 2005

A new, and as yet unpublished, piece of research is challenging the idea that a big melt is underway in the Arctic . Dr Greg Holloway, of the Institute of Ocean Sciences in Sidney, Canada, has got tongues wagging with his suggestion that the missing ice is still there, piled up in locations where researchers have not been looking for it.

Even if some sea ice is melting due to volcanic activity we don’t need to be concerned for the Polar Bears as they can swim for a 100km at a time and so it is preposterous to suggest they are drowning, indeed their numbers are either stable or increasing. Polar bears have been around for millions of years and have survived when the earth was much warmer than it is today. The photo used by Al Gore of polar bears that seemed to be stranded on melting ice, was in fact taken by an Australian Marine Biologist student on a field trip, it was taken in August, summer when ice melt is normal, just off the coast where the bears could easily swim back to shore.

One hundred and forty years ago is about when man first started taking meteorological measurements of Earth’s weather, it is also the coldest temperature point on Earth in the last 10,000 years and Earth was just beginning to come out of the little ice age. Which means we have been judging the apparent warming from the coldest period in the last 10,000 years. Much of the warming that has gone on since then can only really be considered normal, to try to bring Earth up to a more normal level. It is in fact according to ice core records, still cold compared to average temperatures in the last 10,000 years. As you can see from the graph below Earth’s temperature is anything but stable and probably has never been stable. Clearly this has nothing to do with humans as for the vast majority of this time we have not developed enough to be affecting the environment in any way.

A scientific team has recently discovered an active, previously unknown volcano on the sea floor off the Antarctic Peninsula. Associate professor Scott Ishman and graduate student Phillip Szymcek were among scientists from six U.S. and Canadian universities who verified the volcano’s existence in April 2003. The as-yet-unnamed volcano is in an area known as the Antarctic Sound, on the eastern side and near the tip, of the peninsula (the continent’s long, skinny arm). The volcano stands 2,300 feet above the sea floor; its top is roughly 900 feet beneath the ocean surface. It is a sign of renewed volcanic activity in the region and a likey reason for the breaking off of some of the ice shelf in that region. The National Science Foundation, which funded the research, formally announced the discovery in May 2003.

The tectonic plate movements especially under the oceans have gone up by many times. Andaman Nicobar Island is now experiencing underwater volcanoes in Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal. In America, the North West is experiencing unprecedented levels of small earthquakes and underwater volcanoes. Seattle and Oregon are experiencing heavy levels of tectonic disturbance. Underwater volcanoes are being reported in Australia, Greece , New Zealand and many other countries. Russia ’s Kumpchetka peninsula is experiencing double volcanoes of large sizes. According to some geologists, there are not enough monitoring mechanisms to know the full scale of underwater volcanoes.

Magma movements under the ocean have increased many folds – say geologists. These developments show the projected underwater volcanoes and magma movements have steadily increased in the last five years and now it is just going through the roof. Many researchers are now concerned about these developments. They are saying the probability of a mega or multiple mega volcanoes is very high now. According to some there is a 74,000 year cycle of mega volcanoes that is due to peak in 2012. Also in 2012 our sun is due to align with the centre of the galaxy while also conjoining the middle of the dark rift in the thick band of the Milky Way. Many believe this is an area dense in cosmic rays, into which our Earth will travel for between 3 – 5 months at the end of 2012 (I explain the relevance of cosmic rays a little further on). This means that two major events are due at the same time and it is very likely they will have a substantial effect on Earth.

The warming of the ocean actually causes glaciation. It is becoming clear that hundreds of underwater volcanoes are erupting all around the world – especially around the Pacific Ring of Fire. I believe that it is these eruptions that are warming the Pacific Ocean and driving the El Nino events. El Nino is caused by warmer than usual sea temperatures in the Pacific, thereby causing extra precipitation, flooding in some areas and draught in others. It also causes the earth to have higher than usual highs because almost without exception air temperatures rise and fall with the temperature of the ocean. The only exception is in the pole areas where the heat released by the conversion of water vapour into liquid water, snow and ice is mostly radiated into space. This process helps to create very low temperatures at the poles. Extra precipitation is causing the caps to grow because the extra water vapour which is coming out of the ocean, thanks to the temperature rise, falls back to earth over the poles as snow and gets locked up in the ice caps thus causing them to grow.

The above graph shows that before every ice age the sea temperature shoots up. As the ice age kicks in the ocean has a rapid cool-down. Ocean temperatures have not got far to go to be near the usual peak which occurs before the cool-down.

A shift toward cooler conditions during the Little Ice Age which occurred between approximately the years 1400 and 1850, but had a real low around 1650 was a period when the earth cooled by about 1.5 degrees and the Thames froze solid in winter. This cooling was concurrent with an increase in the frequency of El Niño events. This is contrary to what is generally predicted by climate models, where cooling leads to less El Niño activity and warming leads to more.

The findings were harmonious with the historical El Niño chronology of both South America and the Nile region, which depict “increased El Niño activity during the period of the Little Ice Age and decreased El Niño activity during the medieval warm period” where earth’s temperature was 1.5 degrees Celsius, warmer than now. El Nino is associated with the planet cooling when the poles are getting warmer the planet has more settled weather. When the poles are getting colder, like at present, there is a bigger temperature difference and therefore bigger swings in weather patterns and storms. Antarctica had a temperature decreased by 1 degree Fahrenheit in the fourteen years up to 1999.

El Nino makes extra precipitation and flooding the order of the day but when that rain falls as snow it is devastating as has been have seen this winter in many parts of the world as 1 inch of rain makes 10 inches of snow. Record snows have been recorded this year in many places as well as snow falling where it would normally never, like Malibu!

Sunspots are also linked to earth’s temperature. Below is a graph of sunspot numbers which directly link to global temperature. When there is a real low in the number of sunspots, Earth cools significantly as you can see during the period known as the little ice age in the 1600’s and 1700’s. Then the earth was about 1.5 degrees Celsius cooler than it is now. Recently the sun has been quite active resulting in some of the warming we have seen.

Bashkirtsev and Mashnich renowned solar scientists describe their results, “Low temperatures in the early 1900s corresponded to the lower solar activity where as increased activity up to the 1950’s saw temperatures rise, they fell again until the 80’s because of low activity. We had a high level of activity until the end of the nineties but now the cycle is going lower again and we predict falling temperatures until nearly 2030.” Are there any indications the prediction of Bashkirtsev and Mashnich will prove correct? They themselves say “the available data of observations support our inference about the cooling that has already started [our italics],” noting that “the average annual air temperature in Irkutsk, which correlates well with the average annual global temperature of the surface air, attained in 1997 its maximum equal to +2.3°C” and then “began to diminish to +1.2°C in 1998, +0.7°C in 1999, and +0.4°C in 2000.” CO2 Science Magazine

The reason for the sunspots effect on temperature was discovered by Veizer and his co-author Nir Shaviv, from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who discovered that cosmic rays cause excess clouds. When cosmic rays strike earth in abnormally high concentrations, their highly charged particles cause aerosols in our atmosphere to pick up electrical charges. These energized aerosols then attract water vapor causing low-level cloud cover to increase but when our sun is particularly active, the solar wind it produces “blows” these cosmic ray particles away before they can charge up the atmospheric aerosols, diminishing cloud formation. This is significant because clouds in the lower atmosphere shield the Earth from solar radiation. They bounce this “insolation” (incoming solar radiation) back into space before it can cause the planet to warm. Thus when cosmic rays are plentiful, so are clouds, and our planet cools. Scientific Allience – Lorne Gunter 2003

A greatly increased number of cosmic rays are getting through to Earth because our Sun’s magnetic poles, instead of reversing completely, have only rotated halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun’s equator. Scientists believe that this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during the last solar maximum. This weaker configuration of the magnetic shield is letting in two to three times more cosmic rays (stardust) than at the end of the 1990s. Moreover, this influx could increase by as much as ten times until the end of the current solar cycle in 2012. Solar cycles are approximately eleven years in length.

European Space Agency’s (ESA) Ulysses space probe data is finally making it possible to study how cosmic rays are distributed along the path of the Solar System through the local galactic environment. The space probe is showing us that a flood of dusty particles is heading our way. Astronomers think the current cosmic ray influx, apart from being favoured by the particular configuration of the Sun’s magnetic field, is also enhanced by the thickness of the interstellar clouds into which the Solar System is moving. Currently located at the edge of what astronomers call the local interstellar cloud, our Sun is joining our closest stellar neighbour Alpha Centauri in its dense cosmic ray cloud, which is less hot but denser than where we have been. It takes over 70 thousand years to traverse a typical galactic cloud, interestingly this is about the same period of time earth is usually in a glaciated state before the next interglacial period of 10,000 to 15,000 years of warmth returns. Press release 2003 Source: Artemis Society
The Earth’s magnetic field also shields the Earth from cosmic rays , which are radiation produced by astrophysical objects The magnetic field, which extends about 36,000 miles into space, is generated in the Earth’s core – a big ball of solid iron about 1,490 miles in diameter, surrounded by a sea of molten iron, 4,350 miles in diameter. The magnetic field is not constant as it’s produced by this turbulent flow that’s deep in the Earth’s core. Magnetism trapped in ancient pottery shows that over the past 4,000 years, the magnetic field has weakened by more than 50%. Since people have been measuring, it has been steadily declining. The first measurements were taken about 150 years ago, since then, it’s declined not quite 10 percent. Which shows it is dropping rapidly, as the magnetic field wanes, the protective shield it provides shrinks, thus exposing satellites to damage from cosmic rays and charged particles coming from the sun. Even now satellites can be damaged, if not destroyed, because the protective shield is so weakened. So there will be many more reflective clouds cooling the planet than previously and this explains Earth’s cooling trend which has been going on for about 4500 years now. The Earth was much warmer by over 6 degrees 4500 years ago and the polar bears didn’t die.

Although the seas are warming, findings show Antarctica is cooling, Antarctica’s harsh desert valleys — long considered a bellwether (warning system) for global climate change — have grown noticeably cooler since the mid-1980’s. Air temperatures recorded continuously over a 14-year period ending in 1999 declined by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the polar deserts and across Antarctic. West Antarctic ice streams have started advancing, undergoing the same transition from shrinking to growing that appears to have occurred on a neighbouring stream 150 years ago. Perhaps after 10,000 years of retreat from the last ice-age maximum, researches turned on their instruments just in time to catch the re-advancement of the ice sheet.

A recent study, no shocker to real climatologists, appears in SciencExpress and shows that the vast majority of the Antarctic landmass is rapidly gaining ice and snow cover. Obviously this moisture comes from the sea and is being deposited in solid form on the land-way-down-under, this lowers the earth’s sea level.

Antarctica’s ice sheet is also growing in elevation. In the mid 1960s, ITT built a power transmission line in Antarctica. The transmission towers stood 115 feet tall. The power transmission towers have now long since been buried. The old Byrd Station has been shut down because it is buried beneath 40 to 50 feet of ice and snow and is slowly being crushed. A recent paper published in Science claims that ice is being deposited at the net rate of 26.8 billion tons a year in Antarctica, enough to lower sea levels.

Unprecedented Ice In McMurdo Sound was too thick for Icebreakers this year. In most years; one coast guard ice breaker clears a 15- to 20-mile path through McMurdo Sound ice to McMurdo. This year, however, sea ice stretched about 80 miles north from McMurdo and is as much as 13 feet thick, around twice the thickness of most years. “This unprecedented ice is certain to make the task of breaking the channel into McMurdo difficult, if not daunting,” Erick Chiang, who heads the NSF’s Polar Research Support Section, told the Coast Guard. In fact it turned out it was too daunting a task!

For the first time ever Russia had to abandon its base at Vostok in Antarctica this year. The base was established in 1957. The base sits atop a giant ice-covered lake first identified in the 1970s.The Russian Institute of the Arctic and Antarctic, which manages Vostok, took the decision to mothball the station because it could not deliver sufficient fuel and supplies to keep the base going. Due to heavier than usual pack ice, a fuel tanker was unable to reach its usual docking berth and a 3.2-km (2 miles) pipeline had to be run across the ice to offload the fuel. By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor.

An Antarctic hut used by Captain Robert Falcon Scott is being crushed under record snowdrifts. This prompted a marathon digging effort by a New Zealand-led team which had to dig out 85 tons of snow and ice. In the last two years rafters in the stables have partially collapsed under the weight of the snow and then when the snow melts, it flows into the hut and refreezes. “This has never happened before. It’s all been in the last three years with an unprecedented level of snow accumulation. There’s been a significant change in terms of the environment.” Antarctic Heritage Trust executive director Nigel Watson said. ‘The Press’ on 28 November 2006

Over 90% of all glaciers are at present growing very rapidly, only a few are in fact shrinking but glaciers never all go in the one direction at once. Glaciers need two things to grow, big rainfall or snowfall and low temperatures. There’s always a few that buck the trend because of weather patterns but what we should take notice of is, what most of them are doing, not one or two.

According to glaciologists, the Kangerdlugssuaq Glacier on the southeast of Greenland is now advancing towards the sea at an “astonishing” rate of more than seven miles (12km) per year.

Antarctic glaciers surging – Masses of Antarctic ice on glaciers, have been moving twice as fast as usual, say researchers in a recent article in Science . Five of the six glacial tributaries that fed the Larsen Ice Shelf have entered “active surging phases.” It is clear, they said, that the Boydell, Sjogren, Edgeworth, Bombardier and Drygalski glaciers are all surging. Mar 9, 2003. The Seattle Times.

Russian glaciers surging – On September 20, 2002, a huge 22-million ton piece of the gigantic Maili Glacier broke loose and crashed down a steep gorge into the village of Kami killing more than 150 people and injuring hundreds more.

The 500-foot wall of ice had been growing for six years. The Maili Glacier is just one of several glaciers in the North Caucasus Mountains that have been EXPANDING at an alarming rate. Other towns in the region have been partially buried by these advancing walls of ice. One local scientist in southern Russia said, “we may be seeing the beginning of a new great ice age!!!” (This information was provided by climatologist Cliff Harris and meteorologist Randy Mann).

Record cold in Fairbanks, Alaska – from the National Weather Service:
“THE COLD AIR OVER THE EASTERN INTERIOR CONTINUES TO BREAK RECORDS FOR LENGTH OF COLD. FAIRBANKS IS POISED TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE MONTH (MARCH 2007) WITHOUT EVER GOING ABOVE THE FREEZING MARK…ALTHOUGH IT COULD BE CLOSE ON SATURDAY. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME IN MODERN HISTORY FOR THAT MARK TO BE ACHIEVED.”

Shouldn’t alarm bells be ringing for many for several reasons? One would be that the current global warming theory states that the poles are the areas worst affected by this warming. Since Fairbanks is a polar location it goes against the Global Warming theory.

“Second, not only is Fairbanks on track for breaking its record coldest March of -2.7ºF, it is going to shatter it! As of today the average temperature for the month in Fairbanks is -8.6ºF, about 6 degrees colder than the previous record. Normally when longer-term records are broken, they aren’t broken by more than 2 degrees. This record could be broken by 5 degrees.”

For more of extreme lows check http://www.iceagenow.com/Record_Lows_2007.htm

Trends in Hudson Bay, Canada show sea-ice is thickening using data from the Canadian Ice Service. Alexandre Gagnon of the University of Liverpool (United Kingdom) and William Gough of the University of Toronto Scarborough extracted data records of ice thickness and depth of the snow on the ice for 7 sea-ice and 6 lake-ice measuring stations within the Hudson Bay region for periods of as long as 1958 through to 2003 and as short as 1972 through to 1995. The researchers complimented the ice/snow data with seasonal temperature data from 17 weather stations in the region. They found “significant trends toward an increase in the annual maximum ice thickness”. Additionally, they found statistically significant trends toward an earlier occurrence of annual maximum ice thickness.

Sea levels have been dropping not rising. The pacific island nation Tuvalu is refusing to sink, a gauge shows between 1995 and 1999 the sea level in fact dropped 3mm. The full results of the guage can be found on John Daily’s web site. http://www.john-daly.com

Maldives show clear morphological indications of a recent sea level fall. Sea levels stood 60 cm higher around 1150 A.D., more recently about 30 cm higher than today. From the freshness of the morphological indications the sea level fall took place within the last 50 years. (This is in direct contrast to the current global warming claim). Local people report that the dhonis (local fishing boats) could pass straight across the Maduware Falus thila in the 1970’s and 1980’s. Whilst in the last fifteen years they have had to make a detour around the thila because it is now too shallow. The thila has not grown so it must be that the sea has fallen.

The above graph is from the IPCC (international panel on climate change) 1990 report and goes completely against what they are now tying to say which is that today is warmer than any other time in the past!

In 1000A.D. it was warmer than it is now and Northern Europe had a “Golden Age”. When Vikings farmed Greenland it was called the medieval warm period and Earth was warmer than it is now by more than 1.5 degrees Celsius. Greenland was so called because much of it was lovely and green. Now it has 10,000 feet of ice on it in places and a plane that landed there in the Forties during WW11 was recently dug out, it was buried under 268ft of ice. That’s about 6ft per year of ice growth. Satellite radar surveys of Antarctica and Greenland have shown that the icecaps are getting larger. Greenland is the largest island in the world, with an area of 1 million square miles, about 5 percent of the world’s ice sits in a cap that covers its entire interior, only 200,000 square miles on the coast is now not under the cap.

Water from the Arctic Ocean which flows southward, carrying icebergs from Greenland toward the equator helps cool the North Atlantic Ocean and forms a normal part of the ocean’s conveyor belt. There are lots of icebergs produced by glaciers which are clearly growing; one glacier is a 60-mile-wide monster.

The great ocean current is slowing at an alarming rate; researchers on a scientific expedition in the Atlantic Ocean measured the strength of the current between Africa and the east coast of America and found that the circulation has slowed by 30% since a previous expedition 12 years ago.

The current, which drives the Gulf Stream, delivers the equivalent of 1 million power stations-worth of energy to northern Europe, propping up temperatures by 10C. in some regions. The researchers found that the circulation has weakened by 6 million tones of water a second. Previous expeditions to check the current flow in 1957, 1981 and 1992 found only minor changes in its strength. Most of us have seen the movie ‘The day after tomorrow’ when the shutting down of the Gulf Stream caused an instant ice age. That of course is fiction but it will have a huge effect. It won’t be instant but it will be quick, ice core records show ice ages take between 3 to 20 years to develop!

The Ozone hole is effected by the increasing cold in the pole regions because in colder years, the same amount of ozone-depleting compounds can destroy more ozone, in comparison to warmer years,” said Daniel L. Albritton, director of the NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory in Boulder.

Now that the Arctic stratosphere has gradually cooled over the past few decades, very large ozone losses have been observed over the Arctic recently.

Permafrost is thawing because snow falls are getting much larger in many of the areas where permafrost is and the snow significantly affects permafrost by forming a thick blanket that lasts all winter, this insulates the ground from the most frigid air of the year. As little as one metre of snow will make a huge difference.

In experiments at several sites in the Abisko region, snow was piled up at some sites, artificially doubling or tripling the snowfall that the spot would normally receive over a winter. As a result, average ground temperatures rose as much as 2.2°C. That large a change can melt underlying permafrost, scientists elsewhere have noted that winter snow cover can keep the average ground temperature as much as 10°C higher than the average air temperature.

Much deeper frost in Anchorage Alaska caused by a cold spell last November, plus a too-cold March, drove frost deeper than usual in Anchorage this winter, down to about nine feet, just one foot above the official burial depth of city water pipes. Pipes buried 10 feet underground are freezing all around the city, according to the Anchorage Water and Wastewater Utility.

“Fire hydrants have been popping out of the ground and sending water flowing into buildings. The spurs that lead to houses – which property owners are responsible for – are freezing around the city.” “Everything in town is freezing up faster than we can keep it thawed out,” said Larry Libby, owner of Libby Thawing Service. Libby thaws pipes 12 to 14 hours per day, and has been for weeks.

So in conclusion I feel there is a good argument for Global Cooling. I feel we have all become far too obsessed with greenhouse gases and there effect, when in reality they are only a small piece of the picture and not the dominating player in what is going on. Despite what has been reported in the mainstream press, many scientists do not subscribe to the theory of global warming and believe that, overall, objective science is showing that the Earth is cooling, not warming. Unfortunately too many people have too much riding on greenhouse global warming — research grants, business subsidies, personal prestige, bureaucratic power and political agendas — to permit another theory to displace it. This is now leading to greatly exaggerated claims and in many cases, outright lies. You may ask why would they do this? Well one of my guesses is because there is money to be made in Carbon Taxes. Londoners are having to pay $50 a day to drive their SUV’s in town. They could well be planning to tax exporters who ship their goods a long way or plain just refusing to except goods from miles away which is already starting to happen to us in this country (New Zealand).

So far I have just been running though the huge changes the earth is going though but we now have to look at what’s coming up. According to ice core and sea records, sea temperatures are still likely to rise a little yet and volcanoes are likely to really get going on land as well as the sea, blocking out much of the suns rays and cooling earth but as the oceans will be warm and evaporating, the excess moisture will fall to the ground as giant blizzards, storms and floods (Noah’s deluge type floods) and a new ice age will begin. The ice caps will continue to grow at both the top and the bottom of the earth as well as other glaciers but surprisingly the tropics will have only a slight temperature decrease.

References:

High CO2 levels
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/6/27/190055.shtml
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef
http://www.iceagenow.com/Liquid_Carbon_Dioxide.htm
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

The Arctic Sea Has A Huge Number Of Active Volcano’s
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/050819123850.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/6/27/190055.shtml

Under water volcanos
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1904.asp

Polar Bears Are Not Dying
http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/PolarBears/pbadaptations.html
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef&p=1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1311007.stm

Active Volcano Under Antarctica’s Peninsula
http://www.siu.edu/~perspect/04_fall/volcano.html

Our Oceans Are Warming Making More El Nino Events
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1904.asp
www.nov55.com/gbwg.html

El Nino Is Also Related To The Cooling Of The Planet
http://www.iceagenow.com/Ice_Ages_Looked_Like_El_Nino.htm

Antarctica Is Getting Colder
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/cold-science/2002-01-18-wais-thicker.htm
http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet.htm
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/05/27/antarctic-ice-a-global-warming-snow-job/
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/visit_to_greenland.html

Sea Levels Are Dropping
http://www.iceagenow.com/Sea_levels_are_falling.htm
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/assets/20066181457430.TruthAboutTuvalu.pdf

Ocean Current Slowing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1654803,00.html

Greenland Is Much Colder Than It Was 1000 Years Ago
http://www.thelostsquadron.com/
http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/ice/lec19/holocene.htm
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/visit_to_greenland.html
http://images.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/warm5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/warm.htm&h=208&w=425&sz=14&hl=en&sig2=l-FUz-X7QS2NerB4i81q7Q&start=17&tbnid=GNRhlnN81GbdWM:&tbnh=62&tbnw=126&ei=KA0gRrO-LY7EiQHr1KS1Cw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMEDIEVAL%2BWARM%2BPERIOD%2BGRAPH%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX

Our Sun Is Responsible for the Recent Warmth
http://www.scientific-alliance.org/news_archives/climate/herecomesthe.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981669/posts
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/18oct_solarminimum.htm

Our Magnetic Field Is Reducing Allowing In Cosmic Rays
http://www.jsonline.com/story/?id=299531
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,748510,00.html

A greatly increased number of cosmic rays are getting through to Earth
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=12353

Glaciers are growing
http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

I have also referenced the book ‘Not by fire but by Ice” by Robert W. Felix

Things rapidly getting worse in Antarctica
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2818025.stm
http://www.heritage-expeditions.com/travel/capeevans/

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I think can be coming ice age possible look like not good on earth make deep freeze few year later possibele because low record temp early falls had snow and late spring snow too. I saw one this gulf stream disruption aril 10 drop temp fresh water can be cause ice age right now.

Posted by damron walton | July 6, 2007, 11:11 am
Hi Thinkers without Blinkers, why do I believe that many ‘Scientists’ today are willing to subvert themselves to get Government funding. It seems to me that in Western Society, the Political Will amends considerably scientific proofs. Debate is fine, but, was usually for the ‘Social Scientists’ who deal with inexactitudes. Scientists today cannot get funding unless they subscribe to a Government approved theory, or some media headliner. Sad, But true.God help us.

Posted by Derek Weston | July 17, 2007, 12:11 am
I think you need to look at more recent news stories about the arctic, not ones from 2001 and 2003, e.g.

Arctic sea ice set to hit new low (2007)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6944401.stm

Posted by Stuart Young | August 25, 2007, 11:59 am
also:

Arctic ice ‘disappearing quickly’ (2005)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4290340.stm

Posted by Stuart Young | August 25, 2007, 11:59 am
While the media has focused on the Arctic, the Southern Hemisphere (Antarctica) has quietly set a new record for most ice extent since 1979, meteorologist Joe D’Aleo wrote at IceCap Tuesday:

The press have totally boycotted news from the Southern Hemisphere where ice and snow levels are currently at their highest since data have been collected.

Pretty convenient wouldn’t you agree?

See good graphs at:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/12/record-antarctic-ice-levels-ignored- media

Posted by Glenys | September 25, 2007, 5:39 pm
“How can anyone make a claim with a straight face that ice conditions in the Arctic are either historically low or grim when we’ve only been monitoring these levels for the last 35 years? Is everything that happened in this region – in thousands of millennia since the Big Bang occurred – totally irrelevant? ”

“Such is especially the case given the history of successful sea-based explorations of the Arctic dating back as far as 1903.”

Roald Amundsen, a Norwegian explorer, successfully navigated the Northwest Passage on August 26, 1905. (Meaning that this Passage was clear enough of ice for a wooden sailboat, with a crew of seven, to successfully navigate it more than 100 years ago.)

This Passage was also conquered several times in the 1940s. The St. Roch – built for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Force to serve as a supply ship – navigated the Northwest Passage in 1942, the second ship to make the passage, and the first to travel the passage from west to east. In 1944, St. Roch returned to Vancouver via the more northerly route of the Northwest Passage, making her run in 86 days. The epic voyages of St. Roch demonstrated Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic during the difficult wartime years, and extended Canadian control over its vast northern territories.

“When you consider that serious monitoring of Arctic ice levels only started in 1972, and that explorers successfully navigated these seas in relatively archaic ships 60 and 100 years ago, how can anybody honestly claim that today’s conditions in this region are in any way unprecedented, historic, or grim?

Posted by Glenys | September 25, 2007, 5:41 pm
Sea Ice melting in the Arctic has nothing to do with global warming.

The Arctic Circle has rows and rows of active volcano’s there are huge numbers of chimneys – 30, 40, 50 or more. Scientists found two large high-temperature fields and explored them; they came upon a large mound of chimneys with superheated water jetting out of them. In the distance, they saw another mound and then beyond that, another one, and so on. Temperatures in one field reached as high as 260 degrees Celsius, and the scientists believe they may have approached 300 degrees Celsius in the second field, although they were unable to measure them.

“The chimneys were so dense that it was difficult in some areas to get the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) in there. In fact the ROV cable stuck on one of them, it almost melted”. The scientists believe there are additional vent fields yet to be discovered. So it seems little wonder that the sea ice is melting in the Arctic. Source: Oregon State University August 2005

Posted by Glenys | September 25, 2007, 5:52 pm
Derek says: “Scientists today cannot get funding unless they subscribe to a Government approved theory.”

Well, that’s a good theory, but a lot of the research into climate change for the last decade or so has come out of the USA, where the Bush administration has, until recently, been in massive climate change denial. So how was it that all these scientists were getting funded, when their research went against “government approved theory”?

Posted by james | September 26, 2007, 9:42 am
The whole purpose of the Global Warming Theory is to get the you to pay out heaps of money in new taxes which no one seems to know where the money is actually going. Think about all the new taxes you have heard about. The US is in on this like everybody else.

Posted by Glenys | September 26, 2007, 11:36 am
I agree with Glenys. Sadly, science and the mainstream media have been corrupted because too many people are willing to sell their integrity to maintain their usual way of life. The only trouble is, their short-sightedness and selfishness will end up ruining their owns lives ultimately, as well as that of many, many others.

Posted by Clare Swinney | September 26, 2007, 5:44 pm
“…too many people are willing to sell their integrity to maintain their usual way of life.”

“The US is in on this like everybody else.”

Neither of you have answered my question, and both your statements fly in the face reality. For the entire first term, and the first half of the second term of his presidency, Bush was adamantly *anti*-climate change theory. This extended to watering down NASA press releases which detailed research showing global warming was a reality…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/mar/20/usnews.climatechange

part of which reads: “The Bush administration has moved to exercise direct control over environmental agencies by installing political appointees including Philip Cooney, a former oil industry lobbyist, as chief of staff of the Council on Environmental Quality, and a 23-year-old college drop-out who was made a public affairs officer at Nasa after working on Mr Bush’s re-election campaign. Mr Cooney told the committee yesterday: “My sole loyalty was to the president and advancing the policies of his administration.”

Documents released yesterday show that in 2003 Mr Cooney and other senior appointed officials imposed at least 181 changes to a strategic plan on climate change to play down the scientific consensus on global warming. They made another 113 alterations to minimise the human role in climate change, and inserted possible benefits of climate change.”

Hardly the act of a government wanting to push the climate change barrow, is it?

So, again looking at the theory that scientists are somehow protecting their income by subscribing to the governmental viewpoint, why was it that NASA flew in the face of official Bush administration doctrine, producing research that were contrary to the Government’s stated position?

Posted by james | September 27, 2007, 9:42 am
James you simply do not realise the US is playing a double game they are in on it, they have a big hand in the IPCC which put out the false hockey stick temperature graph to make it look like we have an unprecedented temperature rise at the moment. You need to realise when you are being played. The real graph from there own achieves is in my article, sorry I could not get it to come up here.

Posted by Glenys | September 27, 2007, 10:18 am
That doesn’t really answer the question.

A ‘double game’?

What possible benefit could Bush and co. have had for denying and suppressing climate change theory for all those years if they did actually want the public to believe in it?

Posted by james | September 27, 2007, 3:21 pm
They want the public to believe it, which is why Gore has been pushing it and he is not really on the other side, if you know what I mean. The US government wants you to believe it, they just don’t want to pay any money out to change their ways. Also it would be too obviously be being pushed. It has to have a look of being genuine. Green peace is pushing it and they seem genuine so the US government lets them do all the dirty work for them.

Posted by Glenys | September 27, 2007, 9:32 pm
There is a YouTube video by David Icke regarding their crafty mode of manipulating the naive public here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCSx7eTlc00

Posted by Clare Swinney | September 30, 2007, 3:09 pm
Thanks Clare,loved that you Tube Video.

Posted by Glenys | October 1, 2007, 3:10 pm
We have been blaming ourselves for the CO2 rise when in fact volcanoes are fair pumping out the CO2. Ice core records collected from the Antarctic ice show that CO2 increases don’t precede, and therefore don’t cause, warming. Rather they follow temperature rises — by as much as 800 years.

Every ice age has been preceded by a rise in the level of CO2 in the atmosphere to over 300 ppm (parts per million) and the present level is now approaching 400ppm, should we not be concerned that Mother Nature is trying to tell us something? A New Zealand scientist, J.R.Bray found major volcanic eruptions apparently occurred at the crucial moments to have triggered each significant glacial advance in the past 40,000 years.

These two statements appear to contradict each other. Can you clarify please?

Posted by Robert | October 11, 2007, 2:28 am
We had a the middle ages warning period around eight hundred years ago. The CO2 levels will be up from that but they are also up at the moment because of the volcanic situation. CO2 has nothing to do with Global Warming but it has a lot to do with us going into an Ice Age when it is being created by volcanoes under the sea, which evaporate the sea at a much faster rate and cause huge amounts of flooding which we are presently seeing around the world. This extra precipitation also lands on the poles and glaciers. Antarctica has recently reached a new record size, smashing the old record. Antarctica hold 90% percent of the earth’s ice, so this is very significant. The Arctic appears to be supporting Global Warming, it is in fact not. It is because of the volcanoes under the sea up there, that we are seeing low sea ice levels but this is not historic or grim. The north west passage has been sailed many times in the past.

Posted by Glenys | October 11, 2007, 7:48 pm
Interesting reading.

Posted by Christine | October 15, 2007, 2:20 pm
Excellent article. You did a great job. If only everyone had a mind open enough to realize and accept truth when they see it. I recommend “State of Fear” by Michael Crichton. It’s an interesting novel filled with many referenced and well explained facts. Also, I would like to suggest “An Inconvenient Book” by Glenn Beck.

Posted by Jonathan | January 18, 2008, 12:45 pm
This is the latest reports from the Nature Geoscience, and the Journal of Climate both prestigious journals. Evidence should be printed from reliable scientific journals!
Dr Robert Anderson
Union of Concerned Scientists
http://www.uncsusa.org

Fresh evidence of melting came from both poles this week. Until recently, conflicting results have meant estimates of ice loss at the poles vary widely. Now an international team has used satellite data and climate modelling to show that, in the decade ending in 2006, annual ice loss from West Antarctica

increased by 59 per cent while losses from the Antarctic Peninsula leapt by 140 per cent (Nature Geoscience, DOI: io.i038/ngeoi02). These results tie in nicely with recent results obtained by other

methods, bringing consensus over ice loss a bit closer. Also this week, a separate team used glacier and meteorological data in Greenland to show that local warming since 1990 has resulted in the most severe

melting in 50 years (Journal of Climate, DOI: 10.H75/2007/ JCLI1964.1).

Posted by Dr Robert Anderson | February 14, 2008, 4:54 pm
You are only concentrating on little bits of Antarctica which is typical. The whole of Antarctica has gained much more ice, satellite pictures show ice extent was much further than it has ever been this year, in our known records. I would not want to read the stuff you read, it is not doubt fill of rubbish.

Posted by Glenys | March 3, 2008, 11:34 am
You are only concentrating on little bits of Antarctica which is typical. The whole of Antarctica has gained much more ice, satellite pictures show ice extent was much further than it has ever been this year, in our known records.

Got any sources for that claim?

Posted by james | March 3, 2008, 12:33 pm
James the articles you want are

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/12/record-antarctic-ice-levels-ignored-media
and

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/09/reports-record-arctic-ice-melt-disgracefully-ignore-history

Posted by Glenys | March 3, 2008, 1:56 pm
Well, his actual source for that Antarctic ice growth is the cryosphere website, which also shows that Arctic ice-extent has dropped from 15m sq/km to 13m sq/km over the same period.

And (to quote myself from another thread) the difference between Arctic and Antarctic loss/growth has been well researched. From this link…

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/01/polar-amplification/

It is well established that climate models exhibit Arctic amplification of future climate change. In addition, averaging over numerous hindcasts from a single model started with differing initial conditions (known as an ensemble average) yields significant Arctic amplification in simulations of the last century. However, single realizations with a climate model do not universally show Arctic amplification in the past [Bitz and Goosse, in prep]. Thus models and observations alike show uncertainty in Arctic amplification in the last century. Nonetheless Arctic amplification in models (and most likely in nature too) is a robust result of forced climate change, provided the forcing is sufficiently large to overcome internal climate variability. Antarctic amplification only occurs if a model is run long enough so ocean heat uptake in the Southern Ocean does not damp the positive feedbacks and if trends in stratospheric ozone do not cause compensatory cooling. Predictions with climate models indicate that Arctic amplification will be significant (above the 95% confidence level) in one to two decades, while significant Antarctic polar amplification will take much longer. A lack of polar amplification over relatively short periods of time is therefore understandable and does not undermine the credibility of climate models or climate theory in any way.

Posted by james | March 3, 2008, 4:44 pm
I think you need to get with the program James. The ice is back and even thicker than before. It is all over the news, the planet is cooling and fast. The sun is going into a cool phase with few to no sunspots. The global warming people have given up and are probably about to go off and hide.

Posted by Glenys | March 7, 2008, 9:43 am
The ice is back and even thicker than before.

Is it? I must be reading the graphs incorrectly.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.jpg

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.jpg

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2007.jpg

Posted by james | March 7, 2008, 10:26 am
Despite an unusually cold winter, Arctic sea ice is in worse shape than ever, according to the latest satellite observations. Perennial sea ice -— thicker ice that remains frozen throughout the summer -— is now at an all-time low…

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080318-arctic-ice.html

Posted by james | March 25, 2008, 11:26 am
The politicians treat voters like children on the issue of AGW offering only two simple options: Cap and Trade or Carbon Tax. What about the third way – listen to the science? It is the sun. There is no experimental evidence to support CO2 and AGW, or we would have seen it. …and Al Gore cannot debate the topic or does not allow cell phones into his presentations. What is up with that?
Environmental lobby groups built this house of cards decades ago and the entire derivative ‘research’ since then has no scientific foundation. Time is running out because there has been no net warming for ten years. Is that why James Hansen wants to put ‘deniers’ in prison (reminiscent of Zimbabwe)? Hansen wants to silence the opposition and to preside over the demise of capitalism before the long glacial freeze sets in.
However, we have no practical alternative to hydrocarbons and we must leave the carbon economy in place. The problem however, is the leftie political/intellectual construct of “BIG OIL”. The state of affairs, actually is that “REALLY BIG OIL”, the national oil companies like Russia and Venezuela and all the rest of the inefficient and uncompetitive national oil companies (e.g., PEMEX) have driven prices through the roof by incompetence or intelligent design. It is fair to call these super giants “REALLY BIG OIL”. They sit on 93% of the resources and reserves. The US is suffering from NIMBY for certain, but gas in Europe is about $9.00 – $11.00 a gallon equivalent and rising for similar NIMBY reasons; unable to build refineries.
We are in for a fight. Most politicians know the truth about CO2 and are aware of the petition of 31,000 scientists who agree that CO2 is beneficial to life on the planet (Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine; released at the Washington Press Club), and that Kyoto would severely affect prosperity for the poor and those on fixed incomes. However, ‘real scientists’ is not a constituency and this is an election year. Pols now cater to an humanist educated mass of humanity who are lured by demagogues and driven by fear or worst case fictional scenarios. Interestingly enough, politicians use politically correct subjects to coerce politically correct voters.
It is clarifying to quantify the scale of the economy and our heavy industrial boot on the neck of the environmental construct: Some examples:
British Columbia: The mines in British Columbia have a footprint of 0.06% (6/10,000s) of the total land area of the Province. The prosperity of BC and the world has been enormously assisted by copper mining.
Oil sands: Now, after 30 years of mining the footprint of open pit mining in the oil sands is 0.06%; the pits will be backfilled and reclaimed with clean sand (numbers from the Pembina Institute, the umbrella whiner in Alberta). The rest will likely be developed by underground thermal methods. The Alberta-Saskatchewan tar sands spill may reach an equilibrium foot print of 0.10% mining and following reclamation – 0.0%. Considering that the oil sands outcrop and bleed into the river in the summertime, Suncor and the others are cleaning up one of the largest (natural) oil spills on the planet.
Montana: The palladium/platinum mines of Montana have a footprint of 641 acres. That is (1/147,165 square miles) 0.00068% of Montana.
Alaska: Thanks to horizontal drilling, the 2000 acres of Alaska requested from the ANWR have a footprint of 4.7 x 10-4 % or 0.00047% of Alaska.
The risk: reward ratio of these projects is de minimis. De minimis is a Latin expression meaning about minimal things, which is used mostly as part of de minimis non curat praetor or de minimis non curat lex, to say that the law is not interested in trivial matters. De minimis, in a more formal legal sense, means something that is unworthy of the law’s attention. In risk assessment, de minimis refers to a level of risk that is too small to be concerned with. Some refer to this as a “virtually safe” level.[1]
In reality NY Liberals have their boots on the neck of the balance of the economy.with their NIMBY, but it was Alaska’s back yard first.
[1] Wikipedia

Posted by Fran Manns | July 11, 2008, 10:48 am
global warming taxes fund war…..

Posted by shaneo | July 14, 2008, 7:29 pm
I found something very disturbing when I decided to play around with the Arctic sea ice daily data. Check out the below, If you plug in late winter now and for the last few years, you get the image on the right but looked what you used to get on the left!!!!!! I hope the url comes up but if it doesn’t plug in mid February this year and mid February 1979 or around there.

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=17&fy=1979&sm=02&sd=17&sy=2008

Posted by Glenys | July 16, 2008, 12:41 pm
Sorry just noticed, apparently snow cover did not used to be on these images but it is now???

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Posted by Barron | July 18, 2008, 9:08 pm
New Zealand, getting colder and more storms, A visit to China and India – notably the same though earthquakes have occured. Snow in China a rare event earlier in the year too. Bush once said, ‘Yes the globe is warming’ – Yeah Right. Despite N.Z being in the Southern Hemisphere, India right now isn’t having the best of weather either and Western Australia are having more frequent lightning storms of severe ratings.

One should know about H.A.A.R.P as a interesting factor, though many critics say its a anti-submarine weapon.

Uncensored have covered this I’m sure, I have more at my blog Freedom New Zealand…

http://3dem.blogspot.com/2008/06/haarp-us-earthquake-weather-anti.html

Posted by Red Pill | July 31, 2008, 8:07 am
I think that point was covered in the article.

Posted by Ikarus | August 2, 2008, 11:33 pm
I agree 100%…You know that’s really sad. Makes you wonder about other “Facts” and
research that make up our “School Books.” Also, it’s nice to see people thinking
for themselves and searching outside the box-so to speak.

Posted by Ikarus | August 2, 2008, 11:38 pm
THANK YOU!!!…

Posted by Ikarus | August 3, 2008, 12:04 am
As a youth i at 12 emigrated to australia. I have always lived since the 3rd day of entry into this strange and compleatly hostile place in sunny Queensland… Above the capital city we have the always present Barrier Reef. Australia since my arrival has been in a pleasent atmosphere with the ranges of temperature suiting the exsiting environment. I arrived in the year of 1972, Gough Whitlam had gained parliment in that year. Scotland being the country of my birth. The only reason I attempt to reply to your post is that the winter that has just passed is still without humidity. Throughout my life here in the Capitol of the Queensland coastline, this last winter has been the coldest in 70 years. Courier mail brisbane. This ever cooling planet is a sign to those out there that the ten commandments are again being evidenced by the people of this world. When the last days are upon us thimgs & events seem to the average person, to be speeding up. The time has come for all of the human race to add it up, & with your help, all the children will be saved.There is much scientific knowledge that surrouds all of us living in the western world, to see the facts staring us in the face, there are strange times among us. This article in Uncencored has been a wake up call for me. Congratulations to the proof that this gent has announced here….

Posted by michael turriff | September 2, 2008, 3:06 am
I also live in australia only i was born here as were all my family and yes they last few summers have barely been summers i know our tempreture rangers and were my mum lives gets upto 50 degrees celsius but the last 2 summers have only been 35 max which is odd for her area as 25-30 is basically winter daytime heat …i have also noticed that winter is alot colder ….and our hot and cold days are so mixed that i get sick nearly every week from sudden changes from hot to cold …..but i deffinately think the weather is declining not rising….as for the christian belief of the end of the world …that i do not believe in this site is for the free thinkers and that belief only allows sheep and robots so please dont force ur dogmatic system on us.

Posted by anythya | September 2, 2008, 1:32 pm
there has just been ice storms in Kenya no doubt this is the cause of warming
well i guess if your a moron this will make sense

Posted by jas | September 5, 2008, 5:50 pm
of cause it is jas ….what are you talking about …everyone knows when it gets hotter we get ice storms ;P ha ha ha ya definately right jas …only idiots could possibly think its getting hotter ….hey do you remember what they said this ice storm was caused by??? did they say global warming or did they make up another dodgy excuse …perhaps the michael above me will say itys the apocalypse and were all doomed …repent repent ha a ha ha ha just joking…..have you noticed that in the last 3 years our seasons have been warped i mean they dont follow the normal seasonal pattern nor are they the season it should be they are verry out of place i noticed it as soon as it started to happen 3 years ago.

Posted by anythya | September 8, 2008, 5:31 pm
Anythya i have noticed the seasons are a little warped,this year was a very good year for the ski fields at mt Bulla i went up twice this year and it was the best i have seen it in 6 years something to do with warming i think lol,they said the ice storms in kenya were a result of wild weather caused by the warming(what the),what they never mention is the sun has no sun spots so things are going to get a lot cooler, maybe a little ice age coming our way,i done a little expeariment at home the other day that we all can try,i left the fridge door open to let some warmth in so things in there would get colder,it didnt work my beer just got warmer and warmer i must of done something wrong i think i needed al gore ha ha ,i didnt read up much on the kenya thing it makes me laugh stuff like this happening then after thinking about it a little more i get sad because there are so many people that are that stupid out there they cannt put two and two together (blind faith in main stream media)yes and then there are those that think god is coming to get them and only them, thats fine by me but there are factions of these groups that are making it so,working to make the apocalypse happen they can not wait for the antichrist to appear(very stupid evil people)

Posted by jas | September 8, 2008, 7:11 pm
ha ha ha yeah snow feilds are caused by warming arnt they ha ha ha ha ha ha umm unless u were in melbourne then even if ur fridge door was left open ur beer would still be ice cold cause its sooo cold down there (dam global warming strikes again huh ha ha ha) and yeah im not saddened by stupidity of people just annoyed specially when they make us out to be the idiots (u cant trust thoes odd magazines….isnt that there theory) lol and yeah wooo go the antichrist ha ha ha perhaps we are the antichrist lol just kidding lol ahh soo jas i wouldnt mind talking to you more so ..so please send me a message at my hotmail its goddessanythya@hotmail.com …we can talk more about these topics =).

Posted by anythya | September 8, 2008, 8:43 pm
“everyone knows when it gets hotter we get ice storms.”

well, potentially, yes. More moisture in the atmosphere means more scope for any sort of percipitation (rain, hail, snow, etc.) to form. Just depends on local topography and localised weather conditions at the time as to where and in what form this precipitation falls.

“only idiots could possibly think its getting hotter”

All those idiotic scientists and their idiotic data, eh?

Graph showing global temperature trend.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

Northern Hemisphere Sets 1300 Year Climate Warming Record
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2008/2008-09-02-01.asp

Fifth Warmest July on Record for Globe
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080815_ncdc.html

“have you noticed that in the last 3 years our seasons have been warped i mean they dont follow the normal seasonal pattern nor are they the season it should be they are verry out of place i noticed it as soon as it started to happen 3 years ago.”

surely not evidence of climate change?

Talking of the warmer globe/wetter weather phenomena David Jones, head of climate analysis at Australia’s National Climate Centre says…

“We are seeing that in places like northern Canada, where there’s been almost a doubling of rain and snow in the last few decades, and that’s exactly what you expect cold polar desert regions to become, a lot wetter in a warmer world … Not only are we moving into a hotter world but a different world … You get more and more surprises as the world changes, because you are moving into a world where the atmosphere and climate just doesn’t behave like it used to.”

(This, incidentally, from an article on how recent Chinese snow storms *weren’t* caused by Climate Change, but by El Nino instead).

http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKSYD222109._CH_.242020080131

Posted by james | September 9, 2008, 1:42 pm
The whole globe had a drop in temperature of .7 degrees in 2007. This is a huge drop and wipes out all of the supposed global warming for the past hundred years. This is largely because the sun has stopped making sun spots and the longer this goes on the more likely it is that we are going into an Ice Age, be it a mini one as was caused by this same lack of sun spots in the 1600’s and 1700’s, or the major one, we are well over due for. Most importantly it is prudent to realise that the Arctic is not melting because of global warming but because of a huge ridge of volcanoes underneath it. Click on the link below to see the extent of this range of volcanoes. Also this melt in the Arctic actually propels us into an ice age, as it also causes us to have a higher rate of sea evaporation which means Earth is getting much higher snow falls and much of this becomes land locked and becomes ice, therefore the build up of ice is accelerating. As the surface temperature of the Earth cools, the sea in contrast, holds it’s heat for a very long time because of it’s huge mass and this is compounded by the volcanoes which are accelerating in activity all over the globe. Even the Global warming crowd have quickly changed their tune and started to call it ‘climate change’ and soon they will try and deny they went on about global warming at all.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/could-volcanoes-be-melting-the-arctic-ice

Posted by Glenys | September 9, 2008, 2:15 pm
“Even the Global warming crowd have quickly changed their tune and started to call it ‘climate change’ and soon they will try and deny they went on about global warming at all.”

So the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change used to be the Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming?

Posted by james | September 9, 2008, 4:05 pm
“…it is prudent to realise that the Arctic is not melting because of global warming but because of a huge ridge of volcanoes underneath it….”

Even the scientist who discovered the undersea volcanoes doesn’t believe that.

_____

With news this week that polar ice is melting dramatically, underwater Arctic pyrotechnics might seem like a logical smoking gun. Scientists don’t see any significant connection, however.

“We don’t believe the volcanoes had much effect on the overlying ice,” Reeves-Sohn told LiveScience, “but they seem to have had a major impact on the overlying water column.”

_____

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080627-sea-volcanoes.html

Posted by james | September 9, 2008, 4:08 pm
Below is some of that story about the under water volcanoes in the Arctic, from when the story broke and someone Else’s option of it. It is obvious when you read pieces like this, that these guys are paid to say what they say, any scientist with half a brain knows that water heated to thousands of degrees will melt ice, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist!!!!!

With news bombarding us daily that polar ice is melting, it would seem that such eruptions could be the culprit. However, scientists see no significant connection.

“We don’t believe the volcanoes had much effect on the overlying ice,” Reeves-Sohn told LiveScience, “but they seem to have had a major impact on the overlying water column.”

“The eruptions discharge large amounts of carbon dioxide, helium, trace metals and heat into the water over long distances, he said.”

Huge volcanoes are discharging “large amounts of heat
into the water over long distances,” but the WHOI scientists
see no significant connection to melting ice?

Huge volcanoes are discharging large amounts of carbon
dioxide into the water, and we wonder why CO2 levels are
rising?

My 60-watt light bulb is somehow heating the Arctic Ocean,
but an underwater volcano as big as the eruption that destroyed
Pompei can pump large amounts of heat into the water with no
significant connection?

Posted by Glenys | September 9, 2008, 4:30 pm
hi Glenys
did they say how much carbon was being produced by these volcanoes or would you happen to know of any data with how much carbon the worlds volcanoes produce
global warming is a con so many morons out there
blue in the face springs to mind

Posted by jas | September 9, 2008, 6:42 pm
Hi Jas
I don’t think I could find any type of real figure on it but it is a large amount, different obviously for each volcano but I did find that human made carbon is in the tiny percentile, it is the oceans and the Earth in general that makes Carbon Dioxide, it is a natural gas, not a poison.

Posted by Glenys | September 9, 2008, 10:36 pm
“…these guys are paid to say what they say…”

Well, as soon as you pull out that argument, all logical discussion comes to a halt, doesn’t it? Have you got proof that’s the case? Or you just say it because he disagrees with your beliefs?

More scientists who state why the volcano theory is flawed, with their explanations…
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/whats-up-with-volcanoes-under-arctic-sea-ice/

Peter Winsor, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution:
“…heat releases from the Arctic sea floor do not get higher up in the water column than, typically, ~500-1000 m from the ocean floor … So, heat is released from volcanic activity, both from explosive larger events and more broad diffusive events, and in addition, from background geothermal heating. None of these will have any impact on the Arctic sea ice as the heat is trapped in the deep ocean and is unable to communicate with the upper ocean and sea ice.”

Jeff Severinghaus, Scripps Institution of Oceanography
“…the average heat added from volcanoes to the ocean is of order 0.1 Watt per square meter. But the heat added (or removed) to the ocean from the sun and atmosphere is of order 100 Watt per square meter. So it is very hard for volcanoes to compete.”

Jamie Morison, University of Washington
“It occurs to me that we have primary evidence that heat from the bottom is not reaching the ice. Temperature profiles from virtually everywhere in the Arctic Ocean display a maximum temperature at a depth from 200-400 [meters] … Fundamental laws of physics require that below the depth of this maximum, the heat flux is downward. Very near the bottom temperatures have been found to increase with depth indicating a small upward heat flux from geothermal sources, which help to heat only the very deepest water.”

Or this guy, who explains the physics as to why the volcanos impact is minimal…
http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/volcanos-in-gakkel-ridge-not-responsible-melting-the-arctic-ice/
“… all the energy from a volcano the size of Mount St. Helens could only melt 100 square kilometers of three meter thick ice. This is a trivial amount of ice for the arctic region, which typically oscillates between about 4 million and 14 million square kilometers every year … It would take a thousand volcanos the size of Mount St. Helens every year to account for just 1% of the yearly Arctic ice loss.”

Posted by james | September 10, 2008, 10:01 am
James
I can’t be bothered with you and will not reply to any more of your nonsense, if you want to believe all the rubbish put about by the main stream media, go and turn on your telly and watch the main stream news. You shouldn’t be bothering with sites that are for people with a brain. You can’t compare a volcano on land, to one under water.

Posted by Glenys | September 10, 2008, 10:06 am
“…I can’t be bothered with you and will not reply to any more of your nonsense…”

Watch out, you’ll have people accusing you of being a disinformation agent with that sort of behaviour.

http://www.uncensoredmagazine.co.nz/news/2008/06/27/twenty-five-ways-to-suppress-truth-the-rules-of-disinformation/

“…go and turn on your telly and watch the main stream news…”

Aha! I’d have to buy a TV first.

“You shouldn’t be bothering with sites that are for people with a brain.”

Ouch. Harsh. Surely one of the reasons for sites like this is to help people think for themselves, and to come to their own conclusion on issues based on the facts presented. Why would you encourage people not to engage with a site that might potentially help them to a better understanding of the world?

“You can’t compare a volcano on land, to one under water.”

Indeed. Who was?

Posted by james | September 10, 2008, 10:21 am
James you are only on this site to cause trouble from what I have noticed but I don’t visit this site that often. You are one of those people who like to argue all the time, maybe you should have been a lawyer or something like that, so you can get paid for it or maybe you are getting paid for it????

Posted by Glenys | September 10, 2008, 10:25 am
James
I spend many months researching and constructing the piece above and it required a lot of dedication and effort, unfortunately it is a little out of date now as I wrote it over two years ago but the arguments are sound and still valid. It just requires to be updated to include our lack of sun spots now etc but I did write of the importance of sunspots and show the result of not enough of them. I note you have great pleasure in arguing but you are not putting in many months of research yourself. I have never been paid for what I wrote and it is on this site to help people. If I have not been paid how can I be a disinformation agent, just who am I supposed to be one for??? I think it might be the other way around.

Posted by Glenys | September 10, 2008, 10:40 am
“James you are only on this site to cause trouble…”

If debating the issues talked about on this site is causing ‘trouble’, then guilty, I suppose.

“…maybe you are getting paid for it????”

Like those scientists getting paid to say the volcanoes aren’t melting the arctic icecap?

But, no, I’m not getting paid to comment on this site.

Posted by james | September 10, 2008, 10:41 am
” If I have not been paid how can I be a disinformation agent, just who am I supposed to be one for???”

Sorry Glenys, I was talking in jest there. I’ve been accused of being a disinfo agent several times on this site, and the criteria are so vague (follow the link I provided above) and all-encompasssing that just about anyone who might make a comment on the site checks a few of the boxes regardless of what your true motives are.

” I note you have great pleasure in arguing but you are not putting in many months of research yourself.”

Not being a fully paid up disinformation agent, I don’t really have the time to do full-time research into the issues I debate. But I do try to provide relevant links and scientific information with most of my comments. On the six previous comments on this thread, I’ve linked to seven external sources, and quoted six people to support my arguments. Surely that research counts for something?

Anyway, I look forward to your updated article.

Posted by james | September 10, 2008, 10:51 am
James
FACTS are facts James, you like to argue opinions but facts have to be accepted by both sides. By the end of the day I will put up a list of FACTS and see just what you manage to say in response to that.

Posted by Glenys | September 10, 2008, 11:37 am
FACTS

The Arctic has been clear and sail able several times during the 1900’s
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/09/reports-record-arctic-ice-melt-disgracefully-ignore-history

The Arctic ice came back last year after the biggest melt in many years, to be as least as thick as before, this is despite a huge row of active volcanoes underneath it. http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/brrrr-disappearing-arctic-ice-is-back.html

The Antarctic has had a steady temperature decrease since records began and has reached it’s furthermost extent since records began.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/12/record-antarctic-ice-levels-ignored-media

The hottest year on record is actually in the thirties not 1998 as claimed.
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/8/15/95526/4527

The Earth cooled last year quite dramatically.
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

The oceans hold there heat well after the planet surface has cooled causing it to evaporate at a higher lever and then become land locked as ice.

Precipitation has increased dramatically which leads to extra snow falls and allows glaciers to form.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet.htm

Snow is piling up at the Antarctic and the ice sheet is getting thicker.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/cold-science/2002-01-18-wais-thicker.htm

The only piece of the Antarctic to show melting and ice breaking off has a huge active volcano underneath it.
http://www.siu.edu/~perspect/04_fall/volcano.html

The sun is making hardly any sunspots which is linked with evidence of causing us to go into an ice age.
http://www.dailytech.com/Sun+Makes+History+First+Spotless+Month+in+a+Century/article12823.htm

Clouds are second only to ice in reflecting back out the suns rays and cooling the planet.

The Earths magnetic shield is greatly reducing causing us to be vulnerable to cosmic cloud influxes.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/?id=299531

Al Gores movie was full of lies and in actuaries. (financial post link, below)

The greatest green house gas by far is in fact water vapor. (financial post link, below)

Carbon Dioxide is a natural gas made by the oceans and plant matter and only a tiny percentile is made by humans
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef

Ocean currents are weakening
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/dec/01/science.climatechange

Sea levels are dropping
http://www.john-daly.com/

Posted by Glenys | September 10, 2008, 3:15 pm
I don’t believe we can say with complete certainty what the facts are. There are so many complex and dynamic systems at work locally and globally when it comes to the weather.
I would prefer not to believe either side with complete conviction as I simply don’t think enough is known in the scientific study of climate. Of course there are political agendas at work, but there are just as many holes in one argument as the other.

You can not just stumble upon a website presenting an idea that agrees with your own opinion and take it as fact. “No side has to be right” It is still a climate change ‘debate’ after all. (to contradict both mainstream media and also conspiracy theorists )

Posted by Michael | October 20, 2008, 7:29 pm
its true Michael there is so much info out there about this, alot of it bad, it is hard to know what is true, there is one thing that made my mind up, its the fact that the builderberg group came up with global worming in 1961-63(one of those years)to tax all to fund the one world government and that carbon is not poison,but of cause we still need to clean up or act a little which will come when held technologys are released for all to use

Posted by jas | October 20, 2008, 11:00 pm
I’m of the belief that an anthropometric change in the climate globally, one that will drastically alter life on earth, is largely a work of fiction. It’s very easy to jump on a bandwagon as many politicians and the media seem to have done.

However we should not ‘crap the nest’ (to speak figuratively), as we still pollute on a large scale. What gets me is the financial and political investment into this popularist
bandwagon. “We are the Weather Makers” and “An Inconvenient Truth” are even being used as class-room texts.

Popular opinion is almost synonymous with fact now; “Al Gore Groupie” synonymous with “Environmentally Aware”.

Many of these people determining what ‘fact’ is may not even be aware of what Carbon is. (We are Carbon-based life-forms -the last time I checked anyway).

I, for one, can not understand what a carbon credit actually is. I know that trading periodic elements can be fiscally beneficial, in the case of gold anyway, but I don’t see how ‘this’ carbon trading would be affecting the steel industry or the pencil industry any more than the dairy industry.

Carbon, Global Warming, Polar Bears on ice bergs (they can swim ya’ know), are all magical words and images in todays media. (Why does it have to be carbon?, why not something cool like the wrath of Allah or the All-Father Odin and Ragnorok , Godzilla?).

The next few years will be a very interesting time: Either the seas will drown many countries, shorts and singlet will be in every season, the seas boil and the anti-Christ arrives, or every one realises what a waste of time and money this whole thing is, albeit too late. Then we’ll have the ice-age band wagon…

Maybe NZ will win the Rugby World cup? Enough of my rant…

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