Thanks for the plug. It’s important that this information gets out to as many people as possible, to save us from our government.

Thank-YOU Femacamper. I see you do a lot of good (unpaid) work on the prisonplanet.com Forum too.

The Ultimate Bird Flu Remedy?
Where is the evidence that this silly concoction works at all?

Come on Clare, not even you are stupid enough to believe this load of rubbish.

What would you recommend drinking Gary, mercury laced with live cancer viruses?

I will tell you firsthand that this stuff works. I have lived in three countries where there were outbreaks and know of people who have used it effectively. So far, it has worked on Avian flu, SARS and generic flu, but as an immune system support, I imagine it could work for a number of infections. I wouldn’t hesitate to use this in the event of an anthrax attack, either.

Anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all. If you use that mixture as your defense against anthrax you will only be improving the human gene pool.
” I imagine it could work for a number of infections.” Imagination is no substitute for clinical trials.

Anecdotal evidence is the same as no evidence at all. How about presenting some reliable scientific evidence. Oh wait, you can’t because there isn’t any.

http://skepdic.com/testimon.html

If you use this concoction against anthrax you will only improve the human gene pool.

Magic does not work. Vaccinations do.

Vaccinations kill Gary. People died in Poland from a bird flu vaccine test. See this:
‘Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

Bird flu virus is being mixed with regular flu vaccines in an effort to start a pandemic. This article states the US government is reluctant to give the vaccine to other countries in case they use it as a BIOWEAPON. What does that tell you?
“US controls bird flu vaccines over bioweapon fears”
http://www.welt.de/english-news/article2566649/US-controls-bird-flu-vaccines-over-bioweapon-fears.html
According to Alex Jones, he has seen documents that show that the vaccines to be used to inoculate us when the government-sponsored “pandemic” arrives will be soft-kill weapons. That ties in with the UN plan to reduce the world population.
Also, if you look at this pdf file at http://www.carley.com,
http://www.drcarley.com/Horrors_of_Vaccination_Exposed.pdf
you can see at the beginning of this old book that more people had died from vaccinations than had died from small pox. The deaths due to vaccines were being concealed.

http://www.quackcast.com/
http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php
Read, listen and learn.

1. Polish deaths. Journalists do not provide reliable evidence.
2. Bioweapons. Did you read the last comment under that article? No evidence here to support your paranoia.
3. Clare, you are really getting desperate using a scare mongering book written in 1920 as some sort of evidence. Wake up! It’s 2009 now.

1. The news report about the Polish deaths came from Polish authorities. Read the article.
2. There is plenty of evidence to show that vaccines are being used as bioweapons, including the story about the deaths in Poland. Look at NSSM 200 to see the motive. Kissinger called for a world population reduction. http://www.population-security.org/11-CH3.html Quote “29. While specific goals in this area are difficult to state, our aim should be for the world to achieve a replacement level of fertility, (a two-child family on the average), by about the year 2000 [emphasis added]. This will require the present 2 percent growth rate to decline to 1.7 percent within a decade and to 1.1 percent by 2000. Compared to the U.N medium projection, this goal would result in 500 million fewer people in 2000 and about 3 billion fewer in 2050. Attainment of this goal will require greatly intensified population programs [emphasis added]. A basis for developing national population growth control targets to achieve this world target is contained in the World Population Plan of Action.”

3. Gary, You were the one who kept referring to the track record of small pox vaccines as evidence that vaccines were trustworthy. Are they really, or does history teach us otherwise? Refer:
http://www.drcarley.com/Horrors_of_Vaccination_Exposed.pdf

For those who want more information on the issues raised, read the transcript of this interview that took place on the 5th of March with Dr Rebecca Carley http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=91662.msg530901;topicseen#msg530901
or watch/listen to it here:
Rebecca Carley,M.D. on Alex Jones Tv:Don’t Vaccinate Me Bro! 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0E6IUd1NN8

Rebecca Carley,M.D. on Alex Jones Tv:Don’t Vaccinate Me Bro! 2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qQWcU-Pt1I

Rebecca Carley,M.D. on Alex Jones Tv:Don’t Vaccinate Me Bro! 3/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RbYCHL8cdg

Alex Jones talks with Rebecca Carley, M.D., author of:
- An article entitled Inoculations
- The True Weapons Of Mass Destruction Causing VIDS (Vaccine Induced Diseases)
- Epidemic Of Genocide.

http://www.quackcast.com/
http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php
Read, listen and learn.

I don’t think you got the point of my post Clare. Your sources of information are either unreliable, unverifiable or out of date.

Why are you so eager to cut down alternative therapies, Gary? Just because traditional remedies have worked for hundreds or even thousands of years, you ignore the evidence of traditional wisdom to cure the body naturally?

You rely on vaccines that have been reported to do more harm than good. I know so many people who get flu shots and end up getting the flu! It’s the exact opposite effect they were searching for. Plus the fact that vaccinations generally only work for one or a couple strains of a virus, it makes much more sense to fortify the whole immune system rather than try and snipe individual strains, that will mutate and become immune eventually anyways.

Who pays you to troll websites like this and thrash evidence that contradicts the pharmaceutical medical industrial complex, anyways? Just whose bankroll are you on?

Here’s a website for those with a more discerning mind:

Quackwatchwatch
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quackwatchwatch.htm

Curezone
http://www.curezone.com

EarthClinic
http://www.earthclinic.com

“Why are you so eager to cut down alternative therapies, Gary?”
I prefer evidence based medicine to magic based therapies.

“You rely on vaccines that have been reported to do more harm than good.”
Reports by crackpots are not the same as reliable evidence.

“it makes much more sense to fortify the whole immune system”
You will be enlightened by listening to this podcast – http://www.quackcast.com/epodcasts/files/894d5b80ccfc62b0ba13c19b243fa4fa-24.html

“rather than try and snipe individual strains, that will mutate and become immune eventually anyways.” No no no it is not the vaccine that kills the virus, it is the body’s immune system. The vaccine merely prepares the immune system so it doesn’t take so long to begin attacking the infection.

“Just whose bankroll are you on?” I am providing this correct information as a free public service. No one pays me to counter your stupid nonsense.

I looked at the links you provided – what a load of non evidence based drivel.

“Why are you so eager to cut down alternative therapies, Gary?”
What I really meant to say is that I prefer evidence based medicine that works to magic based therapies that don’t.

Homeopathy, acupuncture, reflexology and chiropractic have all been shown to be no better than placebo. I would rather get my placebo from a real doctor along with evidence based treatments and medicines.

You shouldn’t call homeopathy, reflexology etc. alternative treatments Fermacamper. The correct term for these worthless treatments is fraud.

“….many patients die from either medical mistakes or adverse drug reactions. David Paterson specifically concludes that patients would have a better outcome going to a witch doctor than a medical doctor.”

http://skepticblog.org/2008/12/29/alternative-medicine-reply-to-comments/#more-782

Looks like we got a henchman of the AMA mafia with this Gary character.

Listen, you have proved nothing in your relentless and idiotic attempts at discrediting this information.

As for chiropractic treatment, I can vouch for one, that it does work, when compared to taking pharmaceutical painkillers and anti-inflammatories.

I’ve also used homeopathy with success for mild skin problems in the past.

Acupuncture has been demonstrated to reduce pain, but its curative powers are debatable. If you went to any clinic in Asia, you would get a much different approach to medicine in their traditional hospitals, which have practiced medicine much longer than your precious country even existed!

There is no magic to these therapies, they operate on scientific principles, as opposed to some of these quack pharmaceuticals, which have falsified studies done to rush the drug out to the market, evidenced in the case of Vioxx, Viagra, and a host of other drugs.

But keep pandering your drugs. You’re nothing better than the crack dealer down the block, except that your drugs are legalized.

Fermacamper, you have been conned. Every large well designed, placebo controlled, double blind clinical trial of homeopathy, acupuncture and chiropractic has failed to show efficacy. They don’t work….you were conned.
However I do commend you on your correct use of ‘your’ and ‘you’re’…..are you reading this Jas?

I have no connection with the AMA, government or drug company. However I strongly suspect that you have a financial interest in promoting SCAM.

I challenge Fermacamper to take a large dose of Viagra and then tell me it doesn’t work. Assuming Fermacamper is a man of course. Hard to tell from the name.

You’re so full of crap, Gary, your eyes are turning brown.

Do a little research before you make a carte blanche statement like that about all forms of non-pharmaceutical medicine.

Or maybe I can present you with a few examples (I’m probably just throwing pearls to pigs here, but anyways):

There are hundreds of clinical trials as well as numerous meta-analysis showing the efficacy of homeopathic medicine as well as over 250 years of clinical data and experience.

It is important to explain & understand the paradox why Homeopathic Medicine becomes more potent as it becomes diluted.

In addition, it is important to note recent research that demonstrate the ability of a medicinal compound diluted out of existence caused a therapeutic effect

A large compendium of studies have been compiled to demonstrate the efficacy of modern homeopathic medicine.

References:

Vittorio Elia and Marcella Niccoli, “Thermodynamics of Extremely Diluted Aqueous Solutions,” Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, 1999, 827:241-248.

Shui-Yin Lo, “Anomalous State of Ice,” Modern Physics Letters B, 10,19(1996):909-919. See also, “Physical Properties of Water with IE Structures,” Modern Physics Letters B, 10, 19(1996):921-930. A book containing a dozen experiments using IE crystals: S.Y. Lo and B. Bonavida (eds.), Proceedings of the First International Symposium on IE Water Clusters. Singapore: World Scientific, 1998.

P. Belon, J. Cumps, M. Ennis, et al., “Inhibition of Human Basophil Degranulation by Successive Histamine Dilutions: Results of a European Multi-Centre Trial,” Inflammation Research 48 Supplement 1, 1999:17-18

Many acute and chronic diseases & conditions are treatable with homeopathic medicine. Safe, effective and gentle, Homeopathic medicine is an effective medical therapy to treat infants, children, adults and pregnant women.

Homeopathic Family Medicine, by Dana Ullman M.P.H is an excellent resource to learn more about Homeopathic Family Medicine

The following clinical studies demonstate efficacy of homeopathic medicine in children to the elderly, from otitis media to osteoarthritis.

K.H. Friese, S. Kruse, H. Moeller
Acute Otitis Media in Children: A Comparison of Conventional and Homeopathic Treatment
Biomedical Therapy, 60,4,1997:113-116 (Originally published in German in Hals-Nasen-Ohren (Head, Nose, and Otolyngarology, August, 1996:462-66).
This study of 131 children allowed parents to choose homeopathic or conventional medical care from their ear, nose, and throat doctor. 103 children underwent homeopathic treatment, while 28 underwent conventional care. They found that the total recurrences of the homeopathic treated group was .41 per patient, while the antibiotic treatment group was .70 per patient. Of the “homeopathic” children who did have another earache, 29.3% had a maximum of three recurrences, while 43.5% of the “antibiotic” children had a maximum of six recurrences.

C. N. Shealy, MD, R.P. Thomlinson, V. Borgmeyer,
Osteoarthritic Pain: A Comparison of Homeopathy and Acetaminophen
American Journal of Pain Management, 1998;8:89-91
A double-blinded study to document the relative efficacy of homeopathic remedies in comparison to acetaminophen for the treatment of pain associated with osteoarthritis (OA) among 65 patients. An IRB approved protocol. Results of the study documented better pain relief in the homeopathic group (55% achieved measured relief from homeopathy as compared to 38% from acetaminophen); however, the superiority of this treatment, in comparison with the acetaminophen group, did not reach statistical significance. The investigators conclude that homeopathic treatments for pain in OA patients appear to be safe and at least as effective as acetaminophen, and are without its potential adverse effects including compromise to both liver and kidney function. Many of the patients asked to continue with the homeopathic treatment.

M. Weiser, W. Strosser, P. Klein,
Homeopathic vs. Conventional Treatment of Vertigo: A Randomized Double-Blind Controlled Clinical Study

Archives of Otolaryngology–Head and Neck Surgery, August, 1998, 124:879-885.
This was a study with 119 subjects with various types of vertigo, half of whom were given a homeopathic medicine (a combination of four homeopathic medicines) and half were given a leading conventional drug in Europe for vertigo, betahistine hydrochloride. The homeopathic medicines were found to be similarly effective and significantly safer than the conventional control.

J. Jacobs, L. Jimenez, S. Gloyd,
Treatment of Acute Childhood Diarrhea with Homeopathic Medicine: A Randomized Clinical Trial in Nicaragua,
Pediatrics, May 1994, 93,5:719-25.
This study was the first on homeopathy to be published in an American medical journal. The study compared individualized high potency homeopathic preparations against a placebo in 81 children, between ages 6 mo. and 5 yrs., suffering with acute diarrhea. The treatment group benefited from a statistically significant 15% decrease in duration. The authors noted that the clinical significance would extend to decreasing dehydration and postdiarrheal malnutrition and a significant reduction in morbidity.

P. Fisher, A. Greenwood, E.C. Huskisson, et al.,
Effect of Homoeopathic Treatment on Fibrositis
British Medical Journal, August 5, 1989, 299:365-66.
This trial was double-blind with a crossover design, comparing R toxicodendron to a placebo in 30 patients all suffering from an identical syndrome identified as the admission criteria. It showed a significant reduction in tender spots, by 25%, when patients were given the homeopathic medicine, as compared to when they were given the placebo.

D. Reilly, M. Taylor, C. McSherry,
Is Homeopathy a Placebo Response? Controlled Trial of Homeopathic Potency with Pollen in Hayfever as Model,
Lancet, October 18, 1986, 881-86.
The double-blind study compared a high dilution homeopathic preparation of grass pollens against a placebo in 144 patients with active hay fever. The study method considered pollen counts, aggravation in symptoms and use of antihistamines and concluded that patients using homeopathy showed greater improvement in symptoms than those on placebo, and that this difference was reflected in a significantly reduced need for antihistamines among the homeopathically treated group. The results confirmed those of the pilot study and demonstrate that homeopathic potencies show effects distinct from those of the placebo

META ANALYSES

K. Linde, N. Clausius, G. Ramirez, et al.,
Are the Clinical Effects of Homeopathy Placebo Effects? A Meta-analysis of Placebo-Controlled Trials
Lancet, September 20, 1997, 350:834-843.
This state of the art meta analysis reviewed 186 studies, 89 of which fit pre-defined criteria. Rather than count and compare the number of trials which show efficacy of treatment, the researchers pooled the data from the various studies to assess data. The results showed that patients taking homeopathic medicines were 2.45 times more likely to experience a positive therapeutic effect than placebo.

J. Kleijnen, P. Knipschild, G. ter Riet,
Clinical Trials of Homeopathy
British Medical Journal, February 9, 1991, 302:316-323.
This is the most widely cited meta-analysis of clinical research prior to 1991. This meta-analysis reviewed 107 studies of homeopathic medicines, 81 of which (or 77%) showed positive effect. Of the best 22 studies, 15 showed efficacy. The researchers concluded: “The evidence presented in this review would probably be sufficient for establishing homeopathy as a regular treatment for certain indications.” Further, “The amount of positive evidence even among the best studies came as a surprise to us.”

Vittorio Elia and Marcella Niccoli
Thermodynamics of extremely diluted aqueous solutions.
Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, June 1999
An extensive thermodynamic study has been carried out on aqueous solutions obtained through successive dilutions and succussions of 1% in weight of some solutes up to extremely diluted solutions, (less than 1×10-5 mol kg-1) obtained via several 1/100 successive dilution processes. The interaction of acids or bases with the extremely diluted solutions has been studied calorimetrically at 25ƒC. Measurements have been performed of the heats of mixing of acid or basic solutions, having different concentrations, with bidistilled water or with the extremely diluted solutions. Despite the extreme dilution of the solutions, an exothermic heat of mixing in excess has been found, in about the 92% of the cases, with respect to the corresponding heat of mixing with the untreated solvent. Here [it is shown] that successive dilutions and succussions may alter permanently the physical-chemical properties of the solvent water. The nature of the phenomena here described still remains unexplained, but significant experimental results are obtained.

J. Dittmann and G. Harisch
Characterization of Differing Effects Caused by Homeopathically Prepared and Conventional Dilutions Using Cytochrome P450 2E1 and Other Enzymes as Detection Systems
The journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine 1996 2:2,279-290.
Target of investigation was to ascertain differences in the effects of homeopathic potencies (D) and equally concentrated conventional dilutions (V) on p-nitrocatechol formation catalyzed by CYP 2E1. Arsenicum album and potassium cyanatum (D) were compared to equivalent dilutions of As203 and KCN (V). Significant differences in enzyme activity were found. The difference of influence exists and this may be attributable to the manufacturing process of homeopathic drugs, namely, the stepwise dilution with intermediate agitation.

K. Linde, W.B. Jonas, D. Melchart, D., et al.,
Critical Review and Meta-Analysis of Serial Agitated Dilutions in Experimental Toxicology
Human and Experimental Toxicology, 1994, 13:481-92.
This meta-analysis of 105 studies in toxicology showed that homeopathic medicines may be useful in treating toxic exposures. This meta-analysis was conducted by a similar group of researchers who recently published a meta-analysis on clinical studies in The Lancet.

As for acupuncture, you might want to try reading:

A Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Trial of Acupuncture for the Treatment of Childhood Persistent Allergic Rhinitis

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/114/5/1242#SEC4

That’s just one out of many:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=U5C&q=placebo+baced+double+blind+study+acupuncture&btnG=Search

Thanks Femacamper. A friend of mine who is 89 years old and still very sprightly, swears by natural remedies. You two would get on well. She has only had one vaccination in her life, as she had no choice. She believes that she is so healthy for her age, both physically and mentally, because she has avoided Big Pharma “treatments.”

Exactly. Just like my older relatives, who are active and grew up on a simple, healthy diet based on fresh organic food and unpasturized whole milk. My aunt and father are prime examples. They don’t have the degenerative diseases that most people are getting these days, like cancer, arthritis and the other big ones.

Fermacamper and Clare and all your old relatives, you have been conned. Every large well designed, placebo controlled, double blind clinical trial of homeopathy, acupuncture and chiropractic has failed to show efficacy. They don’t work….you were conned.

Has it occurred to you that you have been conned Gary?
My 89-year old friend looks a lot healthier than other people I know who are younger than she is. She is still very active. She is currently teaching people how to paint and produces silk paintings which she sells at markets. A few years ago she went on a research trip to Cuba, paid for out of her own pocket to find out how their healthy diet is benefiting the children – it is, and she gives public talks about what she learnt. She encourages people to eat organic food and stay away from sugar and food dyes. A few months ago she did a course on how to operate a computer so she’s been e-mailing her friends. The proof is in the pudding.

No, Clare, you’re not allowed to be old and healthy. You must eat processed food and get sick from some incurable disease like cancer. Only after you have paid your life savings to the medical monopoly in New Zealand, then you will be allowed to die, painfully. We will insure that by radiating you, injecting you with drugs and chemicals that are hazardous to your health and have 100 different undocumented side effects. That is the logical way of science, and the only way you can live, at least according to Gary.

gary believes there is a pill or a injection for every thing
The pharmaceuticals are very happy with your attitude and lack of alternatives gary,well done.

When did I say anything against a healthy diet Clare? I have a 93 year old relative who is looking after her self in her own home. She thinks nothing of a 2 mile walk. She eats a healthy diet and is fully vaccinated. And on the odd occasion that she has a health problem or injury she goes to a real doctor and gets effective treatment, not some quack naturopath who learned his trade from magic books.

Jas needs a course in English comprehension and critical thinking. My being pro vaccination does not imply “gary believes there is a pill or a injection for every thing”.

Fermacamper, you obviously are unable to state the scientific method.
My mother died recently from skin cancer – too much sun bathing is bad for blue eyed blondes – and she was treated by proper doctors. She suffered no pain and was merely annoyed at losing her independence during the last few weeks. I hate to imagine the suffering she would’ve endured if she had been treated by homeopathy, chiropractic and acupunture.

For every large, well designed, double blind, placebo controlled clinical study that shows no efficacy for those quack SCAMs you will no doubt find dozens of small, poorly designed studies that appear to support your magical opinions.

Clare, how are you getting on with your research into the answers to my 4 questions about mercury levels?

Gary, if you can’t even get my name right, don’t even bother in the discussion.

Sorry to hear about your mother. I can only conjecture that your mother would have lived a lot better and longer life had she been given the opportunity to avoid mercury, toxin and virii vaccine injections.

As you are immune to reasoning and logical argument, I suggest you got troll another website. Certainly your viewpoint is not welcome here, nor is it being commonly accepted by the intelligent readers who frequent these kinds of articles. If you have anything to contribute beyond repeating the same lines again and again, without supporting your argument, you may come back. Stop ignoring my addresses to your accusations, and think like a real man, Gary.

But I imagine you’ll keep spamming these comments with your drivel anyways. Oh well, I tried.

The intelligent readers of these articles need to listen to the following:
http://www.quackcast.com/
http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php
Femcamper needn’t bother.

Gary, you’re not even worth my time arguing with. You know nothing about science nor intelligent, critical thinking.

For the skeptical reader, you might want to check out http://www.infowars.com and http://www.prisonplanet.com

Also
http://truthnews.us

Pay particular close attention to the news about mass graves being prepared outside Chicago and near other urban centers, as well as FEMA detention facilities, some capable of holding up to a million people. As well, read about the mass corpse incinerators and guillotine purchases.

It’s pretty clear that the terrorists behind Washington and London are planning to release an epidemic of black plague proportions, probably some kind of bird flu, in the near future. When it comes, you’ll be glad you have these ingredients on hand to make an herbal tonic to save your life.

http://www.quackcast.com/
http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php

Don’t bother with those crackpot links that FemaleCamper has dredged up. He/she wouldn’t know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory.

http://www.quackcast.com/
http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php

Every large well designed, placebo controlled, double blind clinical trial of homeopathy, acupuncture and chiropractic has failed to show efficacy. They don’t work.
Vaccination does.

Gary,

You have shown yourself to be a relentless troll on this site. I’m surprised you haven’t been banned yet.

Millions of people benefit from chiropractic, acupuncture, and homeopathy on a regular basis in Western civilization, not to mention the East. For you to claim that it’s ineffective just because you haven’t proven it yourself means nothing.

Vaccinations have been proved to cause the virus they are supposed to protect you from to manifest itself in your body. Examples of this include two major Swine flu incidents, the avian flu epidemic and the Spanish flu. There are others. Governments have used vaccinations as a means of culling the population.

We don’t trust you Gary, nor do we trust your “clinical trials.” Any one of these studies can be tainted by misrepresented and falsified data. Time and time again, the government has deemed itself to be untrustworthy.

Obama has stock in Tamiflu. That’s one reason I will never take flu vaccinations.

“Obama has stock in Tamiflu. That’s one reason I will never take flu vaccinations.”

You idiot. If you are vaccinated you don’t need Tamiflu.

Well I want to get all cars a bright clean yellow and stop the most pressing carnage on our people who suffer manufacturers putting BLACK IN TO EVERY COLOUR and the media who knows BLACK CARS MAKE THEM BIGGER MONEY on a white newspaper page.
And blackened glass windows is an even more obscene pillage and killing spree by our media.
Smash cars and people and they buy more cars.
Are you happy about this?