Also refer these 9-11 Research Essays On Aluminothermics Use at the WTC Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust by Jim Hoffman.

Scientists Discover Both Residues And Unignited Fragments
Of High-Tech Metal Incendiaries In Debris From the Twin Towers
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
Wake Up and Smell the Aluminothermic Nanocomposite Explosives

As Documentation of Thermitic Materials in the WTC Twin Towers Grows,
Official Story Backers Ignore, Deny, Evade, and Dissemble
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosives_evidence_timeline.html
A Hypothetical Blasting Scenario:

A Plausible Theory Explaining the Controlled Demolition of the Twin Towers Using Aluminothermic Incindiaries and Explosives with Wireless Detonation Means
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html

Interesting stuff,nano-thermite is a mixture of aluminium and rust powder.
One of the main unexplained aspects of the WTC collapse is how the remaining steel columns showed signs of rust immediately, after the collapse.

The Discussion section of the Harrit et al. paper Active Thermatic Material Found in WTC Dust http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM mentions that they are going to continue to pursue related lines of research, and try and establish where the nano-thermite was derived from. So hopefully this is not the last from these scientists.

Here are a few interesting points from the paper that relate to the TV interview:

They were able to determine that there must have been a huge amount of nano-thermite moved into the WTC site – Niels Harrit mentioned tonnes and pallets (in Danish), by weighing the samples of the red/gray chips in comparison with the weight of the other dust, minus chunks of concrete and glass.

A 1.6g sample that was taken not far away from the WTC plaza and collected by Ms MacKinley, yielded 1.74 mg of chips. Thus, the fraction of red/gray chips was 0.1% by weight. Another sample yielded 69 red/gray chips in a 4.9 g sample of dust that had had the chunks of glass and concrete removed from it. They are going to do more studies in this area and try and refine an estimate of how much nano-thermite was used, I understand, (refer p 23 ).

In the paper they asked the question: “Did the Technology to Make Highly Exothermic Nano-thermite exist prior to 9/11?” They cite a report by Gash et al. dated April 2000 – 17 months before 9/11 which showed that it did – it was cutting edge technology by the looks of it – but who knows.
This site relates to the said Gash: https://www-pls.llnl.gov/?url=about_pls-scientific_staff-gash_a

They also mentioned that a report on an April 2001 conference discloses who was known to be working on such explosives at that time. The 221st National Meeting of the American Chemical Society held in San Diego featured a symposium on Defense Applications of Nanomaterials. The session provided a video on the work going on, which was 10 years old approx. “At this point in time, all of the military services and some DOE and academic laboratories have active R & D programs aimed at exploiting the unique properties of nanomaterials that have potential to be used in energetic formulations for advanced explosives..” ( p 26 ).

Plus they mention on p 29 that “No red/gray chips having the characteristics delineated here were found in dust generated by controlled demolition using conventional explosives and methods, for the Stardust Resort & Casino in Las Vegas (demolished 13 March 2007) and the Key Bank in Salk Lake City (demolished 18 August 2007).

This and other reasons are presumably why Neils Harrit suggested we should ask the military about nanothermite during the April the 6th TV interview.

Somebody tell the cultish screwballs that the color of the paint on the thousands of beams in the Twin Towers was…..RED.And,oh yeah,”pull it” does not mean “blow up” in demolition jargon.It actually means to destroy your schlong with excessive masturbation.

Certainly. The color of the paint on the thousands of beams in the Twin Towers was RED.

Bozo MacQuilty and Gary read the paper by Harrit et al. http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/openaccess2.htm Refer pages 15 and 17.
The red/gray chips and paint were both tested in methyl ethyl ketone solvent, (MEK). The chips showed significant swelling of the red layer, but with no apparent dissolution. In marked contrast the paint chips softened and partly dissolved when similarly soaked in MEK.

I would assume a professor from Copenhagen University, who is an expert in nano-chemistry working with nine other scientists, would be able to discern the difference between simple red paint and nano-thermite dust.

Are you seriously accusing these scientists, who have spent no less than 18 months researching this, of making a mistake as simple as that?

John, Harrit et al. could also readily distinguish between the paint and the red/gray thermatic chips, as the latter were attracted by a magnet.
Disinformation agents like Gary would probably claim that the moon was made of cheese if it suited the corporate agenda.
I understand the scientists who worked on this paper have been very thorough because they knew the opposition they were up against, given the political implications of their findings. They deserve a great deal of respect for what they have achieved and for their courage in my opinion.

Clare, the moon is not made of cheese. People have been there and brought back samples. Of course I am sure you think the moon landings were a hoax.

“Gary read the paper by Harrit et al” I will consider it when you have answered my questions about mercury levels. Do I need to repeat those questions again Clare?

John and Clare: It’s really silly for you to make a statement like:”are you saying that such educated people could make such a simple mistake”.Consider the absolutely preposterous mistake that virtually the entire 9/11 Truth movement has made regarding what Larry Silverstein said on PBS in 2002.The amount of sophisticated and intelligent people who continue to believe that he made a Freudian slip and inadvertantly confessed to blowing up #7 is off the charts mind boggling.So,yes,even the smartest people will make the most ridiculous errors in judgment and observation.These scientists obviously went into the whole game with a preconceived notion anyway,so…..And Clare,you reveal yourself to be a person with paranoid tendencies when you accuse anyone who disagrees with you on this subject as a “shill” or a disinformation agent”.Are you in a cult?

Like Silverstein, John Kerry made a “Freudian slip” when he said WTC7 was brought down in a “controlled fashion.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJsJjYwYOAA

Mayor Giuliani made a “Freudian slip” that was recorded by the media also, didn’t he, when he told ABC news that he was warned that the South Tower was going to collapse. Shockingly, the firefighters and emergency workers did not receive similar warnings.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/giuliani.html

There are more “Freudian slips” here:
List of Morons Who Slipped Up And Practically Admitted 9/11 Was An Inside Job
http://100777.com/911/slip-ups

Quote:

“research, which was conducted over 18 months, led to the conclusion that planes did not cause the collapse of the three buildings at the WTC on 9/11″

C’mon: anyone who knows what makes a parachute work *knows* that gravity cannot pull anything downward, destructively, through solids (not even non-destructively, through water!), anywhere near as rapidly as was observed on 9/11.

It took a group of PhD scientists 18 months of “research” to realize what a smart high school student knows, and to conclude that the top-down ultra-razings of the twin towers cannot be attributed to airplanes (real or not, hijacked or not)?

Apparently, obviously, Danish scientists are not any more above corruption than are their American counterparts.

Further, only some kind of secret exotic weaponry (energy source) can account for the phenomenal, highly anomalous evidence at Ground Zero. Lying PhDs deny that huge truth with their disinformative conventional claims (whether they are valid or not — the best disinfo is often true, but remains deadly effective, for what it leaves out).

Why aren’t we (please pull your head out, Clare — even if thermite was involved, that still cannot account for what happened!) talking about possibililties consistent with that evidence, instead of this obvious blatant limited-hangout thermite disinformation?

“Controlled Demolition” is (and always has been) disinformation to divert attention away from the true huge horrible scope of the energies involved. And the fact that all those professional physics liars seem to need nano-chemical evidence of thermite to ‘prove’ the the ultra-razings cannot be blamed on planes (real or otherwise) proves just how full of crap they really are.

Uh,Clare,how exactly is what Silverstein said a Freudian slip when pull doesn’t even mean “blow up”? Especially since he was referring to a conversation with the FDNY about pulling personnel away from a building? Are you in a cult and afraid to think for yourself about this ludicrous pillar of mush that actually undermines the Truth Movement more than anything else? Onward and upward,I say.

For those who still question what Larry Silverstein meant when he said “pull it” when talking about the collapse of the WTC 7, Jeff from PumpItOut.com called demolition experts Controlled Demolition, Inc (CDI) and asked them what “pull it” means in demolition terms. This is what CDI told him:

Go here for the audio and other video grabs:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/06/cdi-pull-it-means-pull-it-down_30.html

Female receptionist: Good afternoon, Loizeaux Company.
Jeff: Um, sorry, do I — is this Controlled Demolitions?
CDI: Yes it is.
Jeff: Ok, I was wondering if there was someone I could talk to briefly — just ask a question I had?
CDI: Well what kind of question?
Jeff: Well I just wanted to know what a term meant in demolition terms.
CDI: Ok, what type of term?
Jeff: Well, if you were in the demolition business and you said the, the term “pull it,” I was wondering what exactly that would mean?
CDI: “Pull it”?
Jeff: Yeah.
CDI: Hmm? Hold on a minute.
Jeff: Thank you.
CDI: Sir?
Jeff: Yes?
CDI: “Pull it” is when they actually pull it down.
Jeff: Oh, well thank you very much for your time.
CDI: Ok.
Jeff: Bye.
CDI: Bye.

Of course “pull it” in demolition terms means bring it down. You are pretty dim if you think it means pulling personnel away from the building. wouldn’t that be pull them? If you were remotely connected to the truth movement I would say you would be better informed than to believe that.

The uncensored magazines motto is “for people who think for themselves”. People in cults don’t. Are you in a cult?

Clare, you do not have the intelligence or education to understand the vaccine safety issue. In your case, “thinking for yourself” leads you to incorrect conclusions. You should just admit that you are ill equipped to deal with the question and trust the scientific consensus. This is the only rational approach for a true sceptic.

There is no such thing as consensus science Gary. Some politicians like to pretend there is, as it suits their agendas. Thus, even if 50,000,000 people claimed that the earth was flat, it would not make it so. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence and the testing of hypotheses.

When Silverstein said “pull” he may have meant the operation, as in withdraw the fireman.
But at the same time Silverstein would have been thinking about “pulling” the building WTC7.
So the freudian slip is using the word “pull” a demolition term, instead of a word such as withdraw.

” if 50,000,000 people claimed that the earth was flat, it would not make it so.”

Clare, you are getting confused between ‘truth’ and ’scientific theory’. It is true that the world is round, but if the majority of astrophysicists were convinced otherwise then the correct scientific view would be that of the astrophysicists. Fortunately science is self correcting and eventually increasing evidence for a round earth would convince the majority of the scientists that the earth is not flat, and then (and only then) would the claim that the earth is not flat be a scientific one.

You and I believe that the world is round, not because we have done made the measurements and done the necessary science, but because we are aware that the consensus amongst astrophysicists is that it is so. Science is consensus based.

Medical science once said that bleeding was a cure for just about everything – that was the consensus then and a rational skeptics then believed the prevailing scientific consensus. But all scientific theories are provisional and are changed when the majority of qualified scientists agree that the theory no longer explains the observed real world.

Gary, go and bother another website.

Gary, go and bother another website.

I second that Clare.

Just posted two articles on this topic:

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/ive-done-research-and-it-was-arabs-get.html

and

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-controlled-demolitions-and-thermite.html

Total non-story

ronmossad, I see you got one thing right on your website, you are not an expert.
You go into some detail about ordinary thermite, while the paper by Harrit et al. makes it apparent that the nanothermite they found in the WTC dust differs significantly from conventional thermite. Nanothermite does have explosive properties, as well as the ability to melt metal.
The paper is here: http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Also listen to this interview with the co-editor of the Journal of 911 Studies, Kevin Ryan, regarding the nano-thermite and some of those he believes may have been involved in what happened on 9/11.
http://cdn2.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_kevinryan0309.mp3

Ron “Mossad” – I looked at your website and just had to laugh. It is sheer Israeli propaganda.

641+ Architects & Engineers are demanding a real investigation into 9/11:
http://AE911Truth.org

For complete 9/11 Truth coverage see:
http://911Blogger.com

For real news and analysis:
http://Infowars.com

“Gary, go and bother another website.”

What a brilliant reply to my criticism of your notion of science.

Lorraine and Clare, you are both hoots, You do not have the faintest idea what Science is and consequently you are easily fooled by the pseudo scientific nonsense behind anti vaccination.

Gary, concentrate on the very important topic, instead of acting like a disinformation agent and engaging in personal attacks.
Listen to this interview with Dr Steve Jones about their work related to this paper:
http://cdn4.libsyn.com/visibility911/visibility911_drjones0309.mp3

Hey Winston,start smoking Marlboros,you sound confused.Silverstein was not talking to the fire commander about blowing up Building 7.Anyone that thinks that is in serious need of a little R&R in a dark room.And Lorraine,how dim can YOU be to insist that Silverstein meant “blow up” when your own source says clearly it means to pull down? Was #7 pulled down with cables or did it implode? Please try and be consistent and adult about this issue.

Dr Gideon Polya wrote an excellent report on the loaded gun scientific proof of controlled demolitions:

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/29921/42/

Visibility 9-11 carries a lengthy interview with Danish chemist Dr. Niels Harrit:

http://visibility911.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=453204

The peer-reviewed paper by Harrit et al follows literally tons of smoking gun evidence including numerous reports of molten metal and molten steel, which ventilation-controlled office compartment fires, and underground fires smothered by thousands of tons of concrete dust and hosed by millions of gallons of water, are incapable of.

And the ‘evidence’ for “suicidal Arabs” – nearly half of whom later turned up alive! – consists of a claim by former top cop Bernard Kerik that a hijacker’s passport was found, along with videos of “Osama” after he was reported to have died. In 2007, Kerik was indicted on charges of lying, conspiracy and fraud. The last couple of times “Osama” appeared in a grainy video, the actors bore such a limited resemblance to this modern-day Emmanuel Goldstein that the Bush admin and the CIA subsequently resorted to audiotapes.

The “red chips = paint” nonsense was even debunked by former “debunker” Dr Frank Greening, who showed that the WTC primer paint contained zinc whereas the red chips did not. In any case, had nano-sized plates of elemental aluminum miraculously embedded themselves in nano-sized iron(III) oxide powder to form a rapidly reacting, highly exothermic mix, that would have contradicted the second law of thermodynamics and the laws of probability!

Benjamin Netanyahu and Rudy Giuliani were both at the crime scene in New York on 9/11, just as they were both at the crime scene in London on the morning of the 7/7 bombings where it was admitted that Netanyahu and the Mossad had advance warning. Mossad agents trained their cameras on the Towers in advance of the first 9/11 impact, and were seen dancing and celebrating with high-fives before the second impact when most still believed it had been a terrible accident. Netanyahu’s close friend Larry Silverstein took over the WTC lease six weeks before 9/11, and made damn sure the complex was insured for $billions against terror attacks. Silverstein had a “dermatologist’s appointment” on the morning of 9/11; consequently he and his children were not in the Towers that morning and were spared.

Rabbi Zakheim, former CEO of SPC which was the market leader in hi-tech aircraft remote control “Flight Termination Systems”, took a position as Comptroller of the Pentagon months before 9/11, when it was public knowledge that $2.3 trillion worth of transactions was hard to track, being on stand-alone computers and antiquated paperwork that could be readily taken out by a missile or plane strike on the relevant bookkeeping and accounting section at the Pentagon.

The mainstream media’s conspicuous silence over the collapse of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory has clearly exposed them as the “dogs that didn’t bark”.

“”I remember getting a call from the, uh, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘You know we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull it.’ Uh, and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”

squeaky, look at the text of Silverstein’s conversation(unfortunately the video has been withdrawn)

It is quite obvious that the word “pull” is used in the context of demolishing the building.

If the word pull was used to explain withdrawing the operation, it’s likely that Silverstein inadvertantly used the word pull, because at the same time he is also thinking about when they pulled the building.
When he says “uh”, that is when he realise’s his mistake.
Either way he’s guilty of making the decision to demolish the building.

Here is the clip of Larry Silverstein saying that a decision was made to “pull” WTC 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

That clip is also included in this excellent documentary, which covers a wide range of evidence that shows the WTC buildings were brought down by demolitions explosives, not hijacked planes as we were told.
911 Mysteries Part 1 – Demolitions (Full – 1ed.) – 1:30:42
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871

Clare – I went through that link before I posted the second article (One Controlled Demolitions and Thermite). I’m pretty sure he never actually confirms that what he found is nanothermite (a compound that has not been confirmed by anyone other than 9/11 conspiracy people) for sure. He says it’s POSSIBLE that’s what it is. And that should tell you something.

“We make no at-
tempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present
until more is learned about the red material and especially
about the nature of the organic material it contains.”

What does that even mean.

Look I can’t get too deeply into this here because I have responses all over the internet and I can’t keep up with 50 different websites – if you want to continue the debate I invite you to post on my blog.

And finally Clare…even if Niels is right (which he isn’t) – why didn’t the highly volatile, explosive nano-thermite ignite/explode immediately when the burning fires lit up the towers?

Squeaky you can play with semantics all you like.

How do you think they demolish a building they BLOW it up at the foundations with explosives to bring the building down. DUH.

You were the one who came up with the cables scenario which makes you look well – stupid.

Dearest Cult People,how come all of you smarter ones can’t get the story straight regarding the Silverstein quote? I know,you consider that your smoking gun evidence and just won’t let go.If you do your world will crumble and you’ll have to admit that you might be wrong about some other “evidence’ as well.Psychologists have a theory on that but I don’t pick on handicapped folks,so… A)The logical extension of your theory that Larry confessed,is that he also confessed that the FDNY was in on the plot.Consider the sheer lunacy of that,the total implausibility,indeed the absolute impossibility of that notion.B)Larry said “pull it” and also “pull”,both of these on a discussion about a fire raging uncontrolled,with no real way to fight it.Are you actually saying that the building was pre-wired and they ALSO set large fires (and there were many fires burning in that building,despite what the Jew haters have led you to believe.Google video the film “Day of Disaster” by Steve Spak for edification on this subject.)Sorry,but your story wouldn’t get out of my daughter’s third grade Creative Writing class.Apparently it has taken hold of a few dreamers(or worse) and a Cult that has developed considers it the Holy Eucharist.As soon as you all figure out that it is utter claptrap you’ll be back in the saddle and perhaps planning a pleasure trip to Amsterdam or Miami Beach,Fla.

Poor Winston,I doubt even he knows what he thinks.Once they got it into his head that “pull” means blow up,he was a dead duck and no one is going to get anything through his thick skull.Sad,really.It was Jew haters that started that one and he was dumb enough to follow them right off the cliff.

Squeaky, Larry Silverstein’s “Pull it” comment, was more-or-less verified as meaning demolish by John Kerry. Refer:
‘List of Morons Who Slipped Up And Practically Admitted 9/11 Was An Inside Job’ http://100777.com/911/slip-ups

The following is an excellent paper for those who want to learn more about nano-thermites.
The Top Ten Connections Between
NIST and Nano-Thermites by Kevin Ryan
http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html

Anyone care to explain how fire managed to melt steel? There are numerous eye witnesses who saw liquified steel dripping off the girders. How did that happen given that fires can only reach around 1000 degrees C? Steel melts at 1500D (C).

Hi Clare,surely you can’t be serious when you say that John Kerry has verified that “pull it” and “pull” means controlled demolition,right? Do you actually believe,or think,that the FDNY was in on the plot to blow up their own personnel? Have you actually thought any of this Silverstein stuff through and seen what nonsense it is? Are YOU a disinfo operative?

Hi Squeaky, Surely you can’t be that naive as to think that WTC 7 was brought down by small fires? Are you a disinformation agent or naive?
Barry Jennings, who was in WTC7 on the day and who died under suspicious circumstances in August 2008, reported bombs going off in WTC7 even before WTC1 and WTC2 had collapsed, as well as seeing dead bodies in the foyer of WTC7. Refer:
Bodies in WTC 7: Jennings Interview Demolishes Official Version
http://www.infowars.com/bodies-in-wtc-7-barry-jennings-interview-demolishes-official-version/

And who said the firefighters were in on the plot too? Have you read the firefighters reports? Refer:

9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and
Explosions in the WTC
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html

Another Firefighter Testifies On Explosions Inside WTC
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/080807_b_explosions.htm

Posted by Al Kayder | April 15, 2009, 10:46 am said
“These scientists obviously went into the whole game with a preconceived notion”

Like the kind of preconceived notion you might get if you saw ANY of the footage of WTC7 falling …

Who cares what Larry said? big deal, look at the footage, that building did not fall on its own.

Clare,indeed it was you guys who said that the FDNY was in on it when you got your knickers in a twist over what Larry said.You claim that he said the fire commanders “made that decision to pull”.So if pull means blow up then who made the decision to blow up? Speaking of small fires,that’s another nonsensical plank in your stale story of #7.There were many fires burning in the building,you’ve probably never seen the footage and pictures from the southside of the building,where it is obvious that a major conflagration was ongoing.You’ve never seen that because you’ve been hoodwinked by amateur propagandists (some of whom,like Eric Hufschmid,just happen to be raving anti-Semites)who have pounded into your head “small fires,two floors,wasn’t hit by a plane” over and over and over.Fact is,the building was hit by heavy debris from the destruction of the North Tower.You really have to look at the film a guy named Steve Spak made that day.it’s called “Day of Disaster”.It’s on google video.Don’t be afraid,it could only provide the nutritional value of beef stew,which you obviously need.Don’t worry ,the film is NOT an elaborate ruse to undermine your movement.It is merely a filmed record of some of the events of that day.And,for the record,dollface,I am a fallen member of the 9/11 skeptics crowd,who has sadly realized that much of the “smoking gun” evidence has turned out to be a smoking pile of buffalo chips.Fact is the 9/11 truth movement is rotten with Jew haters and spurious speculations.

” ‘We make no at-
tempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present
until more is learned about the red material and especially
about the nature of the organic material it contains.’

What does that even mean.”

It means that unreacted nano-thermite was found (extrapolating to tens of tonnes at minimum, in the dust outside the buildings’ footprint), and that pinning down the specifications in more detail will be the goal of future studies. It doesn’t mean that nano-thermite wasn’t found, or that the official conspiracy theory hasn’t been demolished!

It doesn’t matter much about what Silverstein said. The fact is, he and his billionaire partner Frank Lowy (who was embroiled in a corruption scandal with Ehud Olmert) took over the lease and insured the buildings for billions of dollars against terrorism, a mere six weeks before the buildings were destroyed by terrorism. The handsome insurance policy contained a clause stating that in the event of a terrorist attack, the partners could not only collect the insured value of the property, but would also be released from all of their obligations under the 99-year lease. And in the photo where the insurance settlement was agreed, Silverstein was grinning like a Cheshire cat that got the cream.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/24/nyregion/24insure-600.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/nyregion/24insure.html

Silverstein is a close friend of Benjamin Netanyahu, who (along with Mossad agents) has a habit of being at the crime scene when terror attacks are about to occur, and whose father Benzion was both a disciple of Abba Ahimeir of the Revisionist Maximalism Jewish fascist ideology and was the secretary of Ze’ev Jabotinsky who at one time (1937) was commander of the Irgun, a Jewish terrorist group responsible for atrocities such as the 1946 King David Hotel bombing which killed 91 people and wounded 46. Terrorism had helped Netanyahu’s career prior to 9/11, when he was “unexpectedly” elected Israeli Prime Minister in 1996 after a wave of “suicide bombings” shortly before the elections.

I do agree with Poseidon that it is utterly irrelevant what Silverstein said.What’s pertinent is how his clumsy statement has been twisted into a smoking gun of mammoth proportions.However Poseidon reveals himself to be as hammerheaded as the next shark.How on earth could it be suspicious that Silverstein secured insurance against terrorist attacks when he leased the property? Not only would it be stupid for him NOT to get that insurance,it wouldn’t be possible.That is unless you know any banks that would allow that sort of mistake.Don’t you remember the ‘93 bombing by,well yes,terrorists?…The old grinning Jew canard.Does your dartboard have a picture of David ben Gurion smack dab in the middle? Just askin’.

Hi All, I know I haven’t commented for a while but for what it’s worth here goes… Firstly thanks to Claire, it’s rare for such informed people to be so frank and concise; on the contrary we have people like “sqeaky” who plays the Jester with ancient personal attacks like “anti-Semitic”. I don’t want to engage in personal attacks as its counterproductive, the fact of the matter is 9/11 has been covered up. WTC7 fell in extremely suspicious fashion in 6.5s, Larry said “pull it” in a PBS documentary in which a demolition expert used the same term to describe the demolition of the remaining WTC6 in December of 01. So it is you “sqeaky” who is taking statements out of context. And for all your libel, it is people like you who are the modern day holocaust deniers. So don’t call me a Jew hater or any other bs the commies call me when I talk about 9/11 or the Federal Reserve. My prejudices’ lie with occultist’s- masons etc, elites and their sell-out wannabe’s who have power in the legislative process, if you want to know.

Uh,excuse me Mr.nz_truth,that’s Squeaky.S-q-u-e-a-k-y.And thanks for weighing in so condesecendingly.We need that kind of frank,concise bluster around here a little bit more often.Are you pals with Winston? Because you really don’t sound like you know what you’re talking about either.Hopefully you’ve read some of the comments on this thread and seen for yourself the house of cards you’re basing your “proof” about #7 on.The clip from the slick propaganda film 9/11 Mysteries,produced by Cult person Sofia is a classic example of misdirection complete with soft soothing voice and gentle persuasion.The only problem is it’s cynical lying and,yes,out of context malarkey.The clip that she uses,showing Building #6 being finished off,clearly shows the building being pulled,demolished.With steel cables.Which is what “pull” means in demolition context.Go see for yourself,it’s on the internet for free.The building is being pulled down by steel thick wires.You don’t pull down 47 story buildings,in case you hadn’t thought it through.If you can’t tell the difference between “pulling down” and “blowing up” then you really are Captain Lemming in the throes of a long,cruel death march of the intellect.The odds that Larry was talking to the fire department about blowing up #7 are roughly the same as you getting hit by lightning once a week for the next 7 years.In my opinion anyone that falls for this Jewish Zionist reptile cold blooded murderer garbage that “pull it” represents is a Jew hater and ready to believe anything about Jews.And oh yeah,the building did not take the 6 or 7 seconds that have been pounded into your brain to fall.It took about 15 seconds.Watch and count from when the West penthouse crumbles.For the record there were dozens and dozens of firemen who are on record as concerned and basically knowing that #7 was going to collapse.They even talk about it creaking and groaning.Go back and read all the firefighter testimony that the NY Times got into the public record.No,it’s not a conspiracy by the FDNY to whitewash what happenend.Despite what David Ray Hufschmid says, many,many firemen thought the building was going to collapse.And by all means get a look at the film on video google that I mention in an earlier post(“Day of Disaster”).After seeing that you’ll realize that you’ve been misled by the 9/11 propaganda Army and their slick hustling films.I don’t call anyone a Jew hater unless they exhibit the signs of one,and you,Sir,fit the bill.

nz_truth wrote “I don’t want to engage in personal attacks”. Hey man, you might as well. Scientific evidence, logic and reason have no effect on the views of conspiracy nutters like Clare, Jas Lorraine and other who make this stupid site possible. So you might as well just have fun poking fun at them.

So if the site is so “stupid” Gary why do YOU spend nearly all day every day on it?

Unexploded nano-thermite, as confirmed in an established peer-reviewed journal, proved that the official 9/11 conspiracy theory is false. Those who deny the reality of that day’s events and resort to selectively attacking one or two arguments (e.g., they would have insured the buildings anyway) as an attempt to distract from their studious avoidance of the thousands upon thousands of stronger, parallel items of evidence, are the 21st century analog of the Flat Earthers.

Let’s suppose there is a middle-aged lady, who has been happily married for 29 years. The first husband dies or disappears, and husband number two takes out a massive $4+ billion insurance policy on her life. It is subsequently found that the first husband’s removal from the scene is linked to a friend and business partner of the new husband. A mere six weeks later, the lady dies in mysterious circumstances in an accident that would not be fatal unless the laws of physics, chemistry and biology were revised – e.g., a small piece of cardboard falls on her head from a height of one foot. Any detective worth their salt should be suspicious, to say the least.

Bullet wounds to the chest are then discovered, and five assassins – who are linked to husband #2 and his associates – are arrested after being found dancing and celebrating with high fives and with traces of gunpowder on their fingers. “Ah”, the skeptics cry, “a human body is comprised of some highly reactive elements. You have potassium, sodium, calcium, magnesium, iron, plenty of water, and oxygen in the air. Moreover, the body is heated to about twenty degrees above ambient. Isn’t it quite possible that some sort of exothermic reaction occurred, forming the observed bullet holes?” The skeptics then conclude that the death was due to natural causes, after her head was hit by a piece of cardboard at 5 mph. Everyone else marks them down as cranks.

As Dr Steven Jones says, until an objector publishes his or her objection in an established peer-reviewed journal, then the objection is not considered serious in the scientific community.

Hey Poseidon,if apple pie is better than nothing and nothing is better than God,is apple pie better than God? Just askin’.Funny how you don’t address anything I’ve said and attempt a soft glide by the point about insuring the complex for terrorism.If you bought a house in a neighborhood full of arsonists and didn’t insure it against fire,wouldn’t you be a ninny? Indeed,would the bank give you a mortgage if you didn’t? I trust you’ll be hard at work tonight looking at Steve Spak’s important footage and researching the entire catalog of the firefighter’s testimony that David Ray Hufschmid misrepresents.Anxiously awaiting your more potent smoking guns.As if there are any.Now that you see what a crock the #7 smoking guns are I wish you well.And how about those cables pulling down the 8 story building #6.The building that was already virtually demolished on the sad day.P.S. I haven’t studiously avoided one scintilla of the 9/11 story.indeed I’ve looked deeply into everything,O.K. Ostrich Head?

Squeaky thank-you for your comments, you are obviously intelligent I don’t profess to know where you stand on 9/11 so can you please surmise the events of tat day as you see them?

And to Gary, logic, reason and science are often essential tools in disseminating truth.However it appears science is the only platform your brain functions on, to the point where it has your head spinning and missing the larger picture. How does Science explain compassion/love? And pragmatically what would such a cold outlook on life mean for the world…probably something like the nwo. If you are happy with mercury, MSG, aspartame, fluoride, eugenics, media cover-ups, falseflag ops and secret societies, then get the @#$%! outta here, please

Gary, I’m tired of circulatory arguments, so I have an idea. How about we devise a wager system, so there is an incentive for liars like yourself to tell the truth. Amongst the minds here we should be able to devise a method of implementing such a system.

i.e. I claim hundreds of Nazi scientists were given immunity and employed by the US government after WW2, to worked in high level positions at NASA, CIA, and the Department of Energy

Instead of Gary just chanting, “No they did not you kool aid kook…”

We could devise a system where a willing participant could be bound monetarily to their position.
I realise this sounds extreme or impractical but I feel on some black and white issues it would allow debate to progress, without being dragged down to elementary levels by mainstream coincidence theorists. Would also be a good earner during the engineered depression. Any ideas would be great. Cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

The above link is the opinion of a controlled demolition expert on how WTC7 collapsed.
It’s pointless to argue or debate with anyone who thinks that WTC7 could have collapsed other than controlled demolition.
At a later date WTC6 could have been pulled down using pulleys.
Explosives would have made people suspicious of how WTC7 came down.
People should be interested in why WTC6 had to be pulled down. & also the extent of contamination to the nearby Bankers Trust building.

Since you all can’t address even one point I make,except to fall back into your broken robot posture (“it’s obvious,Larry said,nothing hit the building,two small fires,blah,blah,woof,woof”) I’d say you have the nerve of 10,000 Muhammad Alis in calling me a “jester” or patronizing me by calling me “intelligent”.It’s obvious you are too chickenshite to take head on any points I’ve made,which have crushed your lame talking points.nz-truth,you tell me what your overall picture is after looking into the firefighter’s oral testimonies and the film that shows #7 with fires burning on many floors.Fires that burned for several hours unfought.I’d say that you have some owning up to do and by persisting with the stale disproven talking points of 5 and 6 years ago you are one of the problems in any discussion of the events of 9/11.Indeed you are actually nothing more than an arrogant know-it-all who knows very little.Let me just add that my friend,Pat Danahy,died that day,leaving daughters aged 3,2 and 1,so this is a deadly serious endeavor we are talking about and glib posturing and lazy study habits have no place here.As Bob Dylan said:”know your song well before you start singin’”.Or condescendingly patronizing anyone.

Winston,any more posts out of you and your credibility will have flatlined.In the clip from PBS,(which you consider an article of faith) when they talk about demolishing #6 by literally pulling it down,they talk about why they pulled it down instead of exploding it.They were concerned about the slurry wall being compromised.If the wall which held the Hudson River away from lower Manhattan gave way there would have been an epic disaster to complement 9/11.It’s right there in your favorite dumb 9/11 movie, 9/11 Mysteries,a deeply racist and shallow treatment of the subject,produced by a world class space cadet.Building 6 had to be demolished because it had suffered devastating damage in the collapses of the Twin Towers,Duh!!!People should be interested in why you bother to comment when you clearly have no intellectual scaffolding to prevent your own total collapse!!Your point about “explosives on #6 making people suspicious of #7″ is one of the most ridiculous things ever posted on any site I have read.

Squeaky, if people don’t address your points, it is because they are entirely irrelevant. It is like a killer being caught with a smoking gun and a loaded gun in his hands whilst standing next to a corpse, and you say he couldn’t have done it because he once contributed to charity.

Squeaky I am genuinely sorry that you lost a friend that day. One of my main motivations for looking into 9/11 whilst the general public has “got over it”, is because I feel those victims deserve a just investigation, as many of the families have called for. I was also genuine when I said you are intelligent. The way you interpreted that could well stem from some paranoia of your own. Anyway I am beginning to wonder how complete you research has been, how many steel re-enforced concrete structures have burned and remained standing in recent years- all of them. Have you read Operation Northwoods completely?? Di you know the history of admitted false-flag operations. Do you have any idea of the nature of the world you are living in? Once again I say, point by point, let’s put some money down. Do you agree the US gov starting in 1951 paid the Israeli gov $300 million liras/year to irradiate thousands of Sephardic children with 35,000 times the recommended exposure whilst telling parents they were being treated for ringworm? 6000 DIED INSTANTLY BY THE WAY, twice the death toll of 9/11. Now if you want to dispute that, I am willing to make a $1000 wager.

It would be useful if everyone provided links to respected sources when they made claims, to enable others to try and validate the information for themselves.

Squeaky do you think WTC7 collapsed as a result of controlled demolition ?

When they talk about why the method was used for pulling down WTC6, they are manipulating/ conditioning peoples line of thinking.
Wow! the slurry wall, there’s no way explosives would have been used in a controlled demolition on WTC1&2 +7 because what about the slurry wall.
So WTC 7 is so badly damaged it collapses 1n 10 seconds, 7 hours after the towers collapse, yet it takes months for a decision to be made about 6.
Also Mr Strawman you haven’t used your vast intellect to tell us what the problem is with the bankers trust building.

Also can you explain why nearly 8 years on, large trucks make regular routine trips to ground zero to still take away dirt from the site & replace it with what looks like fresh top soil.

I’ve never watched 9/11 mysteries.

“It would be useful if everyone provided links to respected sources when they made claims, to enable others to try and validate the information for themselves.

Posted by Clare Swinney”

Ha ha ha. What a joke! Clare, you wouldn’t know a respected source if you fell over one.

More condescending,patronizing pap.Do you know about the genocide of the Central American Indians under Ronald Reagan? Do you know about the ongoing dispossession of the indigenous peoples of the Western hemisphere? Are you familiar with the actions of the British crown in Ireland circa 1848?.Do you know about the conspiracy to flood the poor,colored urban ghettos of the world (Auckland,too) with hard drugs? Are you up on the coordinated terror visited on Cuba under the direction of the Kennedy brothers/What about Leonard Peltier/ Hell,have you heard about my grandfather,a decorated World War One ambulance driver screwed by his government when his service (awarded the Croix de Guerre by the French government)resulted in lung problemsrelated to his exposure to mustard gas? The nature of the world we live in is the same it has always been.That’s why it has always been important to know exactly what you are talking about.The amount of retarded bullshit that has been flung around regarding 9/11 could choke Bigfoot.It’s funny,not one comment from you two about all the fireman who knew #7 was going to collapse OR the film which shows the building riddled with gashes and holes all the way up to the top,with smoke pouring out of 30 floors.A condition it was in for over 6 hours.Until I hear an honest appraisal of these facts I am forced to conclude that you are in a cult and petrified of bucking any of the precepts of the Holy Leaders.Hell,even David Ray Griffin has backed away from the ludicrous “pull it” idiocy (in Debunking 9/11 Debunking).P.S. Winston,you are full of it when you say you haven’t watched “9/11 mysteries”.Can you explain why you can’t comment on the fact that you’ve been misled about the condition of #7,which just happened to be totally different than what all the 9/11 films have put forward? Of course not,you’re freaking out and have no guts.Are you afraid the whole conspiracy case will collapse if these planks are pulled out from under you? Me thinks so.

“More condescending,patronizing pap”

You would know about that Squeaky. What a nose bleed inducing rant that was.

Do you need a hug?

Well I’m recovering after that rant Squeaky, you have outdone me and I’m breaking a sweat. So let me guess how it goes in your mind if I may…
Sure powerful men are calling the shots
There are screeds of historical injustices to pore over
Nations have been conquered with the help of our forebears at huge cost
This is the same as it’s always been…..
So that makes it OK does it Squeaky, because it’s always been justifies its continuation? People like yourself look at history and see atrocities and simply associate them with the visible leadership of the time and place- kings, presidents etc. Problem is when you take away the personalities, you see an alarming trend (no that’s not paranoia, the human brain is designed to spot trends, call it a survival mechanism). The alarming trend is simply put, the expansion and consolidation of a empire with a small hereditary leadership, ta employs lesser hierarchical leaderships to implement policy/strategy. You are probably laughing right now, like a lot of leftist’s who see the same problems but conclude they all derive from right wing corporate profiteering. I agree to a point but when I suggest there is another layer with different motivation, such as the CFR, Bilderburg and esoteric societies like the Masons, Golden Dawn, Bohemian Club etc, leftists and “educated” right wingers alike just laugh. You claim those groups are benign, meaningless, uninfluencial when it is you that is stupid and un-insightful. You don’t know where they are coming from. Read Operation Northwoods or Ajax, read Alice Bailey and Aleister Crowley publications. Read Bertrand Russel, Ted Turner, Henry Kissinger….please. Or just put your money where your mouth is

Hi squeaky I’m flattered that you have singled me out for special attention.
I’m sorry that you had a friend perish in the towers.
Without wanting to appear to nosey and disrespectfull to your deceased friend, how did you actually know this guy, given that he held a very senior position, and do you know by any chance if he’s survived by a brother called John.
peace.

nz_truth,you reveal yourself as a dimbulb blowhard with your last post,which is full of fantasist,blowhard rhetoric.Are you pretending not to get my point? Nowhere did I say anything about any of the depredations mentioned being acceptable.Obviously I was reacting to your patronizing attempt to educate me with your reading list.All things I have been aware of for years,indeed decades.We can see how you come to your conclusions and flesh out your theories.A lot of guess work and rank assumptions.”…you claim these groups are benign…”, blah,blah,woof,woof.Actually, Mr.Truth,anyone reading your post is laughing at the sheer mediocrity of your thinking.Like a typical self styled “leader” of the 9/11 truth movement you collapse into a pile of generalized inanities when asked to respond to particular criticisms of your favored talking points and supposed smoking guns.I’d say you’ve shown yourself to be spent shell that has missed it’s target by a country mile.Not one word about all the two simple points I have raised over and over on this thread.I can only assume that you are furiously concocting a face saving howler after familiarizing yourself with more of the facts regarding #7.And what’s with the ridiculous bluster about betting on all of this?Typical blowhard schtick from someone experiencing grave doubts about his own spot.I already won the bet that you don’t have the guts to address any of my points about Larry and #7 and the FDNY.I’ll bet you didn’t even notice you went right off a cliff like a lemming the day you bought into the “pull it” canard.You really are the classic useful idiot…..And isn’t Lorraine awfully special,she’s so cute at this age.Wasn’t she the one offering that the words pull and pulling have nothing to do with fighting fires? Sheesh,what a donkey! She also stated that I was “the one who came up with the cables scenario”,right? No,nincompoop,the demolition industry came up with that one ages ago and the crews involved at Ground Zero utilized it very sensibly as you can clearly see in the video clip you reference as proof of your theory.Doh!!Your nose is bleeding because your walls have been rattled by your own crumbling down.It’s nz_truth that needs a hug,and some serious woodshedding.Perhaps you both have the guts to look into what some of the debunker site have to say about 9/11.Too scared,probably..Winston,the answer to your question is yes,and I grew up with him,as a basketball playing buddy.To be honest,we hadn’t seen each other in years and I have no idea what his positon was,nor do I remember the name of his company.What difference would it make if he was an executive or a janitor? What made you assume he had a senior position? Nothing I said. Why exactly did you deny seeing 9/11 Mysteries? You know,the film that prominently highlights the unrepentant Holocaust denier Eric Hufschmid.

Hi squeaky,

According to this site Pat Danahy.
“from the 90th floor of 2 World Trade Center — he was vice president for investor services at Fiduciary Trust —”

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=102250

“What difference would it make if he was an executive or a janitor”
That’s a fair point squeaky, don’t take it personally you don’t appear to be the type that would mix with ‘vice presidents’, of companies, these types generally work 24/7 & probably wouldn’t be posting on internet forums.

So I thought you were maybe Pat’s brother John who works in broadcasting as a voice over, I’m just curious.

9/11 mysteries isn’t the only 9/11 documentary out there, I don’t watch 9/11 doumentaries that think planes hit the towers.

To answer RonMossad, the disinformation agent, who asked: “even if Niels is right…why didn’t the highly volatile, explosive nano-thermite ignite/explode immediately when the burning fires lit up the towers?”

Reply: Burning fires did not light up WTC 1, 2 and 7. Each collapse bore the hallmarks of a controlled demolition and each had small fires relative to the size of the structure. For example, here is a 9 second clip of WTC 7 falling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
As you can see from the clip, a fire did not light up Building 7.
Here is a 50 sec clip of one of the towers falling: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8564772103237441151
Notice that fires did not light up that building either, nor the one still standing next to it.
I watched an excellent documentary a few days ago relating to the demolitions called: ‘9/11 Blueprint For Truth 2008 Edition’ by Richard Gage of http://www.ae911truth.org. I recommend it to everyone interested in learning about the nature of the 3 building collapses. Refer:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4617650616903609314

Squeaky- the pull it comment doesn’t happen to be one of my favoured talking points. I will even give you the benefit of the doubt and say that the statement is up for interpretation. I haven’t addressed your particular point’s because ultimately I do not claim to know what happened on 9/11. I do know that there are huge holes in the official story, an investigation was delayed two years, then compromised and given a minimal budget. I also know that the average uninformed person is far too quick to dismiss an alternative explanation of the events of that day. I do not put you into this category, and I apologise if I have offended you by inferring you have little knowledge of elite philosophies. Call me “blowhard”, but realise I’m just sick of these debates not going anywhere due pedantic arguments and character analysis. That is why I suggested a wager system. Are you coming to the symposium tomorrow? Many of these debates are more sane in person

Winston,if you don’t think or know that two planes hit the Twin Towers then you have no credibility whatsoever and should retire from public life.Your ability to discern is dismaying.You are officially appointed Vice President of Cement Heads That Comment on 9/11 Truth.It’s a no salaried position and your Executive Secretary will be Nico Haupt.Peggy Carter will be your PR person.In lieu of salary she’ll work for a bottle of Dewar’s a week.Although Les Jamieson doesn’t believe in no-planes he is available for spititual counseling and personal tutoring sessions on the Urantia Book……nz_truth,I wish you well.I don’t go to 9/11 symposiums anymore,and any way I live in NYC so….Suffice it to say that the 9/11 Truth movement is as dead as a junkies johnson.I can’t figure out if all the anti Semites and lunatics like the no-planers and the “pull it” crowd are infiltrators or the backbone.It really is the $64,000 question,to me.Holocaust Deniers and a truth Movement is a lethal brew and one that is far too prevalent in my view.

Squeaky, I did not say that I didn’t know that planes hit the towers, I said I don’t watch 9/11 docos that think planes hit the towers.
Because once you realise the footage of planes disappearing inside the towers is fake/ manipulated, it’s difficult to give personal credibility to any doco that does promote planes at the towers.

Are you John Danahy ?

For those who want to know why there are seemingly delusional people like “winston” all over Internet message boards related to 9/11, writing that there were no planes used in the attacks on the WTC on 9/11, read the following. Their operations are so blatantly obvious when you look at what they are writing and how they are writing it:

NO PLANER COINTELPRO Operation Becoming Transparent
Morgan Rose WeAreChangeColorado 8/1/08

COINTELPRO, an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program, was a series of covert operations conducted by the FBI starting in the mid 50’s and continuing until 1976 when it was exposed by the investigations The Church Committee. One of the primary methods of COINTELPRO consisted of forging pseudo-movement groups as a means of conducting Psychological Warfare operations to spread disinformation, disrupt, and divide existing movements. These ‘psy-ops’ tended to foment suspicions among the targeted movements and try to dissuade sympathies from people outside the targeted movement.

Today, COINTELPRO has reared its ugly head again, with infiltrations popping up everywhere from Anti-War activism groups to peaceful gun owners and militias. Provocations have become more and more conspicuous to the public as the Seattle World Trade Organization protests and Ontario Security and Prosperity Partnership protests successfully exposed provocateur
operations. Of course, something as dangerous to the establishment *body politic* as 9/11 has not been without its alleged incidents of COINTELPRO action. Allegations of government disinformation have been swirling around certain figures in the movement, such as former Bush Administration official Morgan Reynolds, who has recently proposed that “no planes hit the World Trade Center”, has alleged “TV Fakery”, and submitted that the towers were brought down by “Directed Energy Weapons” a.k.a. “Laser Beams”.

While the government has spent innumerable resources trying to contradict eyewitness statements regarding reported explosions in the towers, Morgan Reynolds and his “mockingbirds” expect the 9/11 truth movement to put their
energy into further contradicting even more numerous eyewitness statements. See a problem here?

Typical of the above outlined methods, “No Planers” have become a pseudo-movement, adding lunacy, deception, and division to the legitimate questions emanating from 9/11 families, first responders, government officials, intelligence experts, scientists, engineers, architects, academics, entertainment personalities, and so many others.

Perhaps the more visible purveyors of this pseudo-movement are supported by
Paula Gloria’s “Concordia Foundation”. The “Concordia Foundation” claims 501
(c) 3, or “nonprofit” status, However, recent investigations conducted by concerned donors have uncovered that her foundation” does not retain “nonprofit” status with the IRS. In fact, more rigorous inquires have obtained that no records of the “Concordia Foundation” even exist in its home state of New York. Funding of Paula Gloria’s “foundation” originates solely from an information technology firm, Bit By Bit Computer Consultants.
“Donations” to the “Concordia Foundation” are actually billed directly to Bit By Bit. The apparent fraud has appropriately prompted multiple complaints with the FTC and IRS.

Bit By Bit, and its subsidiary 3BDigital, admittedly list among their portfolio Bloomberg LLC, Chase Bank, The National Football League,Citigroup, and The National Security Council. 3BDigital boasts to have partnerships with Nokia, Cisco Systems, IBM, Compaq, Microsoft, Goldman Sachs, and Level (3) Communications. Level (3) Communications, a defence contractor doing business, primarily, with US and UK interests, is the developer of the WESCAM system said to be the delivery mechanism for the supposed “TV Fakery”. Of course this is nonsense, but it is fascinating that these harlequins would incorporate their partnerships into their own
theories.

The “Concordia Foundation” numbers among its surrogates Nico Haupt,” a man who exhibits *prima facie *schizophrenic behavior. Allegations of COINTELPRO surrounding Haupt have, in the past, seemed to be justified.
WeAreChange recently had two unprovoked incidents with Haupt, where he assaulted the groups members, only to be ignored by onlooking NYPD.

Haupt continuously spreads disinformation, even abject lies, surrounding the 9/11 truth movement. From calling legitimate 9/11 truthers “Plane Huggers”, to claiming “Alex Jones works for ABC” and is “covering up for the media”, Haupt’s tactics and behavior exhibit classic COINTELPRO methods. Haupt even advocates “waterboarding Plane Huggers”.

So a “foundation” with intimate ties to international defense contractors, major Wall Street banks, prominent telecommunications firms, and The National Security council is a driving force behind the “No Plane” pseudo-movement?

The information promulgated by Paula Gloria, Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, and others is clearly suspect in light of these new revelations. Whereas, before, all of the speculation regarding “No Plane” theories were simply diffused by logic and common sense, now we see that something much more sinister is at play. The divide and conquer tactics employed by these clowns has warranted past allegations of COINTELPRO. Today, the charade has been fully exposed: the psychological warfare, the subliminals, the allegations of ‘cover-up’ within the movement, the show on the Howard Stern Channel.
Although these revelations should prompt further investigation, it certainly begs the question: Does it get any more transparent?

Here is a transcript of the interview which I located on a thread at the Prisonplanet.com Forum FYI:

International researchers have found traces of explosives among the World Trade Center rubble.
A new scientific article concludes that impacts from the two hijacked aircraft did not cause the collapses in 2001.
We turn our attention to 9/11 – the major attack in New York.
Apparently the two airplane-impacts did not cause the towers to collapse, according to a newly published scientific article.
Researchers found nano-thermite explosive in the rubble, that cannot have come from the planes.
They believe several tonnes of explosives were placed in the buildings in advance.
Niels Harrit, you and eight other researchers conclude in this article, that it was nano-thermite that caused these buildings to collapse.
What is nano-thermite?
We found nano-thermite in the rubble.
We are not saying only nano-thermite was used.
Thermite itself dates back to 1893.
It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat.
The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 °C.
This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron.
Nanotechnology makes things smaller. So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed.
When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly.
Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive.
It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.
I Googled nano-thermite, and not much has been written about it.
Is it a widely known scientific substance?
Or is it so new that other scientists are hardly aware of it?
It is a collective name for substances with high levels of energy.
If civilian researchers (like myself) are not familiar with it, it is probably because they do not do much work with explosives.
As for military scientists, you would have to ask them.
I do not know how familiar they are with nanotechnology.
So you found this substance in the WTC, why do you think it caused the collapses?
Well, it’s an explosive. Why else would it be there?
You believe the intense heat melted the building’s steel support structure, and caused the building to collapse like a house of cards?
I cannot say precisely, as this substance can serve both purposes.
It can explode and break things apart, and it can melt things.
Both effects were probably used, as I see it.
Molten metal pours out of the South Tower several minutes before the collapse.
This indicates the whole structure was being weakened in advance.
Then the regular explosives come into play.
The actual collapse sequence had to be perfectly timed, all the way down.
What quantities are we talking about?
A lot. There were only two planes, but three skyscrapers collapsed.
We know roughly how much dust was created.
The pictures show huge quantities, everything but the steel was pulverised.
And we know roughly how much unreacted thermite we have found.
This is the “loaded gun”, material that did not ignite for some reason.
We are talking about tonnes. Over 10 tonnes, possibly 100 tonnes.
Ten tonnes, possibly 100 tonnes, in three buildings?
And these substances are not normally found in such buildings?
No. These materials are extremely advanced.
How do you place such material in a skyscraper, on all the floors?
How you would get it in?
- Yes.
If I had to transport it in those quantities I would use pallets.
Get a truck and move it in on pallets.
Why hasn’t this been discovered earlier?
- By whom?
The caretakers, for example.
If you are moving 10 to 100 tonnes of nano-thermite around, and placing it on all the floors. I am just surprised no-one noticed.
As a journalist, you should address that question to the company
responsible for security at the WTC.
So you are in no doubt the material was present?
You cannot fudge this kind of science.
We have found it. Unreacted thermite.
What responses has your article received around the world?
It is completely new knowledge for me.
It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say.
But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think.
Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished.
This has been crystal clear.
Our research is just the last nail in the coffin.
This is not the ‘smoking gun’, it is the ‘loaded gun’.
Each day, thousands of people realise that the WTC was demolished.
That is something unstoppable.
Why has no-one discovered earlier that there was
nano-thermite in the buildings? Almost ten years have passed.
You mean in the dust?
- Yes.
It was by chance that someone looked at the dust with a microscope.
They are tiny red chips.
The biggest are 1 mm in size, and can be seen with the naked eye.
But you need a microscope to see the vast majority.
It was by chance that someone discovered them two years ago.
It has taken 18 months to prepare the scientific article you refer to.
It is a very comprehensive article based on thorough research.
You have been working on this for several years, because it didn’t make sense to you.
Yes, over two years actually.
It all started when I saw the collapse of Building 7, the third skyscraper.
It collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.
And there were only two airplanes.
When you see a 47-storey building, 186m tall, collapse in 6.5 seconds, and you are a scientist, you think “what?”.
I had to watch it again… and again.
I hit the button 10 times, and my jaw dropped lower and lower.
Firstly, I had never heard of that building before.
And there was no visible reason why it should collapse in that way, straight down, in 6.5 seconds.
I have had no rest since that day.
Ever since 9/11 there has been speculation, and conspiracy theories.
What do you say to viewers who hear about your research and say, “we’ve heard it all before, there are lots of conspiracy theories”.
What would you say to convince them that this is different?
I think there is only one conspiracy theory worth mentioning, the one involving 19 hijackers.
I think viewers should ask themselves what evidence they have seen to support the official conspiracy theory.
If anyone has seen evidence, I would like to hear about it.
No-one has been formally charged. No-one is ‘wanted’.
Our work should lead to demands for a proper criminal investigation of the 9/11 terrorist attack.
Because it never happened. We are still waiting for it.
We hope our results will be used as technical evidence when that day comes.
Niels Harrit, fascinating, thanks for coming in.
My pleasure.

Clare I think your getting paranoid,no one’s allowed to be a 9/11 truther unless it’s on your terms.
Or else they be accused of spreading disinfo or being cointelpro.
Ironic how a forum by uncensored,reverts to censorship when their party line is compromised.
Can you explain in your own words how a hollow alluminium plane with moving parts inside, can cut through reinforced concrete and steel, and sheer it’s way through a handfull of floor levels.

I deleted your comment “winston” because it did not add to the information related to this topic and its abusive nature was not appropriate for a forum such as this. Calling someone a “bimbo” might be acceptable in your sociopathic spheres of information warfare, but it is not in mine.
In regard to your question – do your own homework like others do. I am not going to answer your questions as you obviously are not genuinely interesting in learning. Instead you are functioning as a tool of those behind 9/11. Thus, whether you care to admit to yourself or not, you are complicit in attempting to cover up a mass murder which makes you a criminal also.

So, where did my comment go?

More censorship Clare? Double-standards?

Stick to the topic or buzz off james. I did not make those comments “fucker” etc you implied I did. You were being disingenuous and slanderous, so I’ve deleted your comment.
Over 2,800 people were murdered on 9/11 and people like you seem to have a problem with addressing the facts of the day. You instead seem to think it is clever to engage in tactics to divert attention away from it. I wonder why?

Related:
HIT NEWS/PRIME TIME VIDEO: 9/11 No Longer Taboo Topic in Denmark

Amalija Šašek

http://www.javno.com/en-world/video–911-no-longer-taboo-topic-in-denmark_250703

Every day, thousands of people become aware that the WTC was destroyed with explosives, says dr. Niels Harrit.

Scientists found high quality super-explosives in the dust gathered after the fall of the WTC towers on September 11, 2001. Their findings go against all of the investigation results that were financed by the George W. Bush administration.

They discovered “nanostructured super-thermite”, which is a combination of aluminium and iron oxide. Thermite is known for its effectiveness in “cutting” metal, and when the reaction is started, it cuts through steel with ease, like a hot knife cuts though butter. Its use is common in the steel industry, the production of hand grenades and the controlled demolition of buildings. The chemical reaction, created by using thermite, is characterized by extremely high temperatures which are usually focused on a small space in a short period of time.
Investigators found red-grey plates in the dust found after the destruction of the “twins”, which scientists identified as the remains of an active high quality substance created via nanotechnology, whose characteristics reveal that a high energy pyrotechnic or explosive material is in question, which falls into the thermite category.

The international sale and distribution of super-thermite is strictly supervised and limited. Dr. Niels Harrit participated in the investigation of the fall of the WTC towers. He is a professor of chemistry at the Copenhagen University. After a study by international scientists was published, their discovery about the fall of the towers was broadcast by Danish national television, at prime time, in a show where dr. Niels Harrit was a guest.

“Scientific research showed that the two airplanes were not the cause of the fall of the WTC towers in 2001. Nano-thermite explosives were found in the rubble, which could not have been in the planes. Scientists believe that a number of tonnes of explosives were placed in the buildings” said the show host on Danish national television before his guest came on, who was the scientist dr. Niels Harrit.

Thermite can heat steel to 2,500 degrees Celsius

Harrit says that they cannot claim that only thermite was in question, which dates back to 1893. He described the behaviour of the reactive substance and said that it creates iron heated to 2,500 degrees Celsius.

“Nano-thermite is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When they react, the heating occurs much faster. Thermite can serve as the perfect explosive, and it contains much more energy than ordinary dynamite” explains the scientist.

When asked why he thinks that nano-thermite caused the twin towers to fall, Harrit said that probably because that substance was there.

-.-www.wtc7.net-.-WTC 7“There were only two planes, and three towers fell. We know how much dust there was after the fall. We also know how much inactivated thermite we found. That is like a loaded pistol, the material did not react for a reason. We are talking about tonnes, probably 100 tonnes of the material” explains Harrit.

Hundreds of thousands of people around the world know how the “twins” were demolished

When asked how nobody noticed when palettes of material were moved into the WTC buildings, the scientist said that this is a good question for those who were maintaining the building.

He said that his research is not a revolutionary discovery for the hundreds of thousands of people around the world who are aware how the buildings were destroyed. “That is crystal clear” said Harrit.

“Our investigation is only the last nail in the coffin. Every day thousands of people become aware that the WTC was demolished. That process cannot be stopped.

“Why did nobody notice the nano thermite earlier” asked the television show host.

“All that was needed is to look at the dust with a microscope. The largest particles are only 1mm in size, and cannot be seen with the naked eye. A full 18 months was needed to prepare the scientific article” answered Harrit.

He says he has been working on the investigation for a number of years, and was prompted to do so by the fall of WTC 7, which fell like a deck of cards in a few seconds, a few hours after the fall of the other two towers.

Take a look at the video: September 11 No Longer Taboo Topic in Denmark.

Going to be deleting comments all night, Clare?

Congratulations James and Winston on being censored by Uncensored.

Freedom of speech? Yeah Right.

Clare,this censoring you are engaging in is highly ironic for a website with the name it has.Unless people are extremely foul mouthed or in ad hominems you should let ti fly.I mean,let Winston expose himself as the silly chap he is.(No,Winston I am not John Danahy.And you have no idea who he is anyway.Wrong again.)Having said that,I wanted to say to you that you are right on the nose with your post about the no planers.In particular,Paula Gloria is an obvious disinformation agent.I know,because I have been around when she has made the scene.I have to run,but I will post tomorrow with some information about the NYC wing of 9/11 truth that will disappoint and amaze you greatly.

Squeaky, simply put what are your views on 9/11. I personally belive there were planes, however the argument is irrelevant becuase even if tre was tv fakery involved, those buildngs collapsed. And the detruction of the towers was not related to the impact of the aircraft.

Concordia Foundation (Paula Gloria)

“The Foundation’s financial support was lost when the telecommunication investment in China lost support. By tracking down the investment Paula Gloria (as she is know to her viewers) discovered 9/11 Truth which lent tremendous dynamism to her (up until then solely) spiritual shows on TV. Today she is very enthused about alternative media that can be created by the mass’s access to extended technological ability. Her concern is that the viewer should not be overwhelmed or out of balance with the rest of the society, those who depend and believe in the information piped in from mainstream media (as opposed to an interactive platform). Viewers can become truly more empowered with accurate knowledge and more effective in their personal life and social obligations as long as knowledge is constantly on-going. In this way powerful nations, made up of powerful (informed) people can come out of denial about the horror of war, racism, violence and all other expressions of poor personal and social health, and DEAL MORE effectively and accurately with creating new realities.”

” In seeking ways to “Out Think the Think Tanks” Concordia hopes to address the limitations usual Think Tanks have. These inevitable limitations (due to funding ultimately by a weapons industry or a “we are better” philosophy) distract us from realities of new technological ability to create and provide for all. ”

http://concordiafoundation.org/

Clare Censor this post & I’m out of here, by all means delete this last sentance if it offends.

Why They Didn’t Use Planes To Hit The WTC, Guaranteed Penetration

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-they-didnt-use-planes-to-hit-wtc.html

Gary, you said “conspiracy nutters like Clare, Jas Lorraine and other who make this stupid site possible” ummm thats what this site is about. Stuff the mainstream media does not cover. Plus you seem pretty fond of uncensored, given how many rude and offensive comment you have made. Squeaky, you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel when you start pulling out the anti-Semite card, that is soooo last century. As for building 7 being a stale story, well how could it be, It got virtually no main stream coverage, you can’t debunk it, thats your problem. Our rulers lie to us, you need to accept that fact and stop trying to justify their actions. Maybe you are just trusting people, maybe you work for ‘the man’ or maybe you are just sad lonely people who need attention even if its bad attention. you both need a hug.

“Plus you seem pretty fond of uncensored”
It’s like picking at a scab.

or wiggling a tooth, you know it has to come out… but when?

As Clare said above:

“It would be useful if everyone provided links to respected sources when they made claims, to enable others to try and validate the information for themselves.”

I’ve compiled a page which puts together a great deal of facts and includes over 500 hyperlinks, many of them to original news reports.

Although there cannot be 100% confirmation of every “fact”, when we consider the whole picture it clearly corroborates the proof of controlled demolitions as provided by Harrit et al.

See:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/itwasntmuslims.htm

“The Twin Towers: Fire Melting Steel……
Conspiracy theorists love to quote retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, who said “I have never seen melted steel in a building fire.” But they conveniently omit the second half of his sentence: “But I’ve seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks.”"
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4054

If you could reason with conspiracy theorists there would be no conspiracy theorists.

imagine the state of the human race if everyone on earth was like gary,there really wouldnt be any point in going on.

See!

Enjoy your measles, flu and whooping cough…… losers.

BTW ggalin, are you Jas in disguise? You seem to have the same problem with the shift key.

Gary, I know you think you are standing up for reason. But when you refuse to read and cite the argument of Harrit et als’ paper why the red chips are not paint, you not behaving rationally.

In fact, were you scientifically minded you would push for independent researchers to examine the dust. For example, encourage some researchers at your local university to get involved.
If you want to this issue to be scientifically resolved you should join the people here in encouraging further scientific examination.

But most likely you will not do that, because you are not behaving rationally.

Below is a different Gary who’s capable of exploring this issue rationally and dispassionately, in accordance with the scientific tradition.

That Gary would perhaps sound like this:

“Look, the very idea that the WTC’s were brought down by explosives seems for various reasons very implausible to me. However, I do recognize that the purported presence of thermitic material in the dust samples as reported by Harrit et. al. (2009) constitutes a strong indication of explosives being used. So naturally I will start with the hypothesis that Harrit et. als’ analysis of the samples were not carried out correctly. I realize that it is not possible to disprove their claims by *not* doing further independent analysis on the samples. Anybody who claims otherwise does not understand the scientific method. Merely pointing out that there was paint in the buildings is not conclusive in any respect.

Therefore, I would be interested future and independent studies of the dust samples. Although we drastically differ in opinion here, I see that we in the end want the same thing: more independent studies of the dust samples. So does anybody here know about some physicist or Chemist who would be willing to do further testing? Who could I contact?
”

Gary: this is not meant to encourage you to change your behavior in any way. You will still go on with your emotional and passionate style I’m sure. Rather it is meant for the others at this page to see how a rational skeptic would behave and contrast it to your own behavior. It is also meant to point out that all rationally minded people really want the same thing here: more independent studies of the samples.

Cheers!

Hey James, are you the same James who was banned from the mysterious nz forums for opening multiple accounts which were used for attacking genuine members and spoiling discussion over there?

The debunkers-for-sport are not difficult to recognize.

Even readers with time to spare, should not encourage time-wasters to continue playing their game of “debunking” those who present factual information.

DEBUNKERS-FOR-SPORT ARE HERE FOR A REASON

Their purpose on a site like this, is to disrupt the flow of truth and place stumbling blocks in the way of those who are truly interested in what’s happening to their nation and the world.

1) The debunkers-for-sport, come to an alternative site like this for ONE main reason; and that is: to disrupt things.

2) They insist on being the center of attention, by spamming their mainstream URLs again and again on the same discussion thread.

3) They try to gainsay the truth with bought-and-paid-for mainstream sources that (if you should waste your time going there) ridicule those who oppose the agenda of the globalists.

Encourage these time-wasters and they will do their best to hinder those who desire to bring excellent articles and alternative websites to reader’s attention. The most effective way to deal with them is to ignore them.

I’m not wasting my time (or the time of other readers) with establishment hacks.

Not drinking the “two-party” Kool Aid. It’s all an illusion.

Philip Dec

http://www.midnight-emissary.com/article_steamroller_of_destruction.html

September 11th Was an Inside Job

Agree Philip.

It is interesting to look at past threads and how much better the conversation and information was when timewasters (like Gary, James, Alex Search etc) aren’t involved.

Lorraine and Philip,

I think there is a way to tackle “timewasters” as you call them. The key is to recognize who is your audience. Is it the timewaster? No! Rather, your audience is the other people who reads the page and out of curiosity.

So here is a simple trick.

Do NOT address the timewaster in person. Do not reply directly to them and try to convince them or change their minds. Rather, address the people who come to this or other blogs. For them you may point out fallacies and the emotional reactions of the timewasters.

It is OK to react to the Gary’s, James’s, Alex’s, etc but do not address them personally. That will only antagonize them and waste your time. In addition, from the outside perspective it then looks like there are two irrational people arguing. We don’t want to go there.

Gary & co are the one that should be the one with the emotional arguments.

Finally, regarding the dust. It is easy to point out the irrational behavior of the timewasters. If they are scientifically minded THEY should be pushing for independent tests! But they won’t! And right here you can expose such people for not understanding the scientific method. This should be stressed in blogs like this.

Cheers and take care!

Good idea Haze. I like this approach a lot.

“The Twin Towers: Fire Melting Steel……
Conspiracy theorists love to quote retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, who said “I have never seen melted steel in a building fire.” But they conveniently omit the second half of his sentence: “But I’ve seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks.””

And how exactly does that equate to 2 huge skyscrapers explosively turning to dust in a matter of seconds???
If the steel softened and sagged we would have seen an asymmetrical partial collapse at the point of the impacts, not a complete loss of structural integrity of every part of the buildings.

This thread is turning into a fun game of “whack a troll”

This thread is turning into a fun game of “whack a troll”

And aint it great. So much more fun than trying to reason with them.

Haze: that is very good advice!

And Lorraine: which day should be “whack a troll” day?

Since the beginning of the week can be stressful for people at work, maybe we should celebrate “whack a troll” Mondays?

Trollwhackers raise your glasses: it’s going to be a good year for putting these idiots in their place!

Indirectly, of course.

“So much more fun than trying to reason with them.”

That statement made my morning, Lorraine.

Here’s a few more points regarding the editor Pileni’s resignation from Bentham’s open access journal:

That Pileni claims that she was not aware of the publication seems odd to me. I have several publications in physics journals and when you submit a paper to a journal you send it directly to the editor. In fact, a paper submission always starts as “Dear Editor,…”.

I do not know how things work at Bentham Open Chemical Journal since I’m not a practicing chemist but I would suppose that also there the submissions are sent directly to the editor.

If that is the case then it is Pileni’s own fault that she was not aware of the publication.

Secondly, as a practicing scientist I know for a fact that bad publications slip through from time to time. But that never caused any editor to resign. It seems clear that her resignation is not necessary and seems to be an overreaction.

Finally, anybody who is scientifically minded will support further studies of the dust samples. Any claim that the red chips is paint without having independently examined the samples betrays a lack of understanding of the scientific method. This issue could and should be settled in the laboratory. Not in emotional debates in blogs!

Cheers and take care!

Jeremy: just wanted to share a few thoughts on trollwhacking, and September 11th.

Being ill-informed and dull-witted, trolls are slow moving easy targets.

Very slow to explain how the Towers (each containing tons of concrete) were converted into fountains of dust… in less than 16 seconds!

Fine dust covered the entire area surrounding the Towers, and Building 7: which the lease-holder admitted (on PBN) was “pulled.” An industry term for con-troll-ed demolition.

According to “inside sources,” the Financial Elite found the lease-holder at trolls-R-us. The same place they found Henry Kissinger. The original 9/11 “intelligence failures” investigator.

The conspiracy denying timewasters that insist on being a nuisance to others at Uncensored, may have sworn an oath (in secret) to come to the aid of a fellow troll.

That would explain their allergic reaction when presented with 9/11 Truth.

In the effort to resist the globalist agenda; and inform those around us: troll awareness is everyone’s responsibility.

Stay tuned to uncensored.co.nz for further study into the mystery of what, besides ignorance, propels trolls to behave the way they do.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/conspiracy-theory.htm

” Sometimes a conspiracy theory is ridiculous and learning about it is a form of entertainment. Or you may find that the theory is credible and it makes you think. It’s interesting to consider the theory, weigh the evidence and come up with a conclusion.”

“FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. “It was absolutely a plane, and I’ll tell you why,” says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. “I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” Kilsheimer’s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: “I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?”"
http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=conspiracy-theory.htm&url=http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Philip I think that EVERYDAY would be a good day for troll wacking. Seeing that we never get a day off from them why should they be any different.

Monday’s though could be assigned premium troll wacking day. Where we could apply a tag team approach?

It appears from the time I have spent on this site that the closer to the truth you are the more nasty the trolls get. Hence their foaming at the mouth reactions to anything 9/11 truth related.

In terms of reasons for trolls being trolls there are three likley reasons that I can provide:

1. They are PAID to be ignorant and stupid with more money being earnt the more times they can get proven shill source URL’s onto said webite

2. They just ARE ignorant and stupid

3. Mummy didn’t love them enough so they are taking it out on the rest of us.

“The tag team approach” sounds like a good strategy Lorraine. The troll could be placed in a headlock and fed Baloney Sandwiches. That’s what they try to feed the rest of us.

Spam seems to suit them, since it often fills so much of their posts.

It’s no wonder they’re so cranky. Probably contains a lot of MSG.

Have you heard about the latest online Chinese cookbook, Lorraine?

365 Ways To Wok A Troll!!!

I trust you enjoy cooking.

I love cooking – especially tricky little critters like troll. I would say that a meat tendoriser would come in handy too!

We could have a troll cooking competition and see who can tenderise, dice and flavour them the longest prior to deliver to the wok.

Somedays life is near perfect.

For the benefit of people new to the 9/11 Truth information here is the URL to the scholars for 9/11 truth website that has a large amount of material.

http://911scholars.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=67

Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholars find profoundly troubling:

In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11,so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?

The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged “hijackers” have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?

Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like “puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil.” Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?

Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700°F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800°F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000°F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?

Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to “reappear” in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

Foreign “terrorists” who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?

Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, “Do the orders still stand?” The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?

A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93,which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered overran area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?

A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called “MASCAL” simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that “no one ever imagined” a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?
Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.
These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach–which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President’s closest adviser–of “creating our own reality.”

UK Police’s latest brainwave: Report people who wear too much ‘bling’ to Crimestoppers

Watching a tight T-shirt-wearing, cocksure man wearing a gaudy gold chain round his neck strutting down the street is often worth a phone-call to the fashion police.
But one force is taking the idea a step further and encouraging people to shop Mr T-wannabes to Crimestoppers in a novel – some might say barmy – plan to bring down the crime rate.
In the latest example of innovative policing in Britain, the Gloucestershire force is encouraging members of the public to report people wearing too much ‘bling’ during the recession.
They are also urging people to shop anyone who drives flash cars or buys expensive items without the apparent means to afford them during the credit crunch.
The campaign, run with Crimestoppers, was launched by the force today under the title ‘Too Much Bling? Give Us a Ring’ with the aim of cracking down on those who live a lavish lifestyle on the profits of crime

rest of article here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1180911/Polices-latest-brainwave-Report-people-wear-bling-Crimestoppers.html

Lies, Conflicting Reports, Cover-Up’s

Location of American 77 Flight Data Recorder – Part II
11/30/07 – Many may recall an article we published regarding location of American Airlines Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder (AA 77 FDR) in which we expose the govt story of the flight data recorder being found at the entrance hole and exit hole. Since the article has been published, the MSNBC article we sourced (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/) no longer exists and now redirects to an irrelevant Newsweek page (http://www.newsweek.com/id/38176). Why would MSNBC want to remove a page which explains the recovery of AA 77 FDR? Is it because we exposed the conflicting reports of location? It gets deeper.

Popular Mechanics sources a quote from Allyn E. Kilsheimer who states;

QUOTE
“It was absolutely a plane, and I’ll tell you why,” says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. “I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” Kilsheimer’s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: “I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?”

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology…842.html?page=6
(bottom of page)

The first statement which may stand out to many is how can any human hold a whole 757 tail section in their hands? Where are the photographs of this tail section? But that is not the most puzzling excerpt from his statement. The most interesting piece from his statement lies in the fact Allyn says he found the black box.

The original MSNBC excerpt we sourced in our article states;

QUOTE
Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.

—Debra Rosenberg

As shown, the original article at MSNBC which contained this report has been redirected to an irrelevant Newsweek page (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699). However, the archives can be found here (scroll to bottom 20% of page, just above portion titled: ‘WE DO WHAT WE DO BECAUSE THAT’S OUR JOB’).

Allyn E. Kilsheimer put together a very emotional story regarding his time spent inside the pentagon on the days surrounding September 11, 2001. Popular Mechanics found the story so compelling as to use it in their “Debunking” piece. Although, it appears Popular Mechanics didn’t take the time to research this story thoroughly. A human who can hold a whole 757 tail section in his hands who also found the “3rd Black box”. Could this be the black box found at the exit hole? Last we checked, the 757 only holds two black boxes. Can The Govt Get Their Story Straight?. Is this the reason the original MSNBC article reporting individuals other than Allyn as finding the Black Boxes is now missing? We find it puzzling that the MSNBC article was availble for years after Sept 11, only to have disappeared after we published our “Location” article.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth received data and information from the National Transportation Safety Board claimed to be from American Airlines Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder through Freedom Of Information Act requests. Analysis of the Flight Data Recorder does not support the govt story of American Airlines Flight 77 impact with the pentagon. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment (Pilots For 9/11 Truth Press Release).

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/location_2.html

To Lorraine, Phillip, and others:
My ‘trollin’ at this site is a reflection of my contempt as a concerned citizen for the right-wing – and often extremely right-wing – political beliefs that are implicit and/or explicit in the bulk of material and viewpoints posted on this site. Almost all your source material comes from websites run by people who actively promote or are affiliated with extremist right-wing political beliefs.
A particularly nasty example was this link- http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/medical/swine_flu.htm – posted in a comment by Phillip under the recent post ‘Preparing America (and NZ) for mandatory vaccination?’ The ‘Good news About God’ website is run by Lorraine Day, an American alternative health practitioner, fundamentalist Christian, and anti-semite. A random quote:
“Very few people realize that the Zionist Jewish version of the “Holocaust”, what the revisionists refer to as the Holocaust Hoax, is the CENTERPIECE of the Zionist Jews’ Plan to destroy all nations, control the entire world, slaughter most of the population of the earth, and reduce the rest to slaves. Without the belief in the Zionist Jewish version of the “Holocaust” by the average Jews, and everyone else as well, NONE of these things could occur! Their plans would be foiled!” http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/#who
Charming stuff huh.
The lack of acknowledgement – or even basic awareness – of the very real politics behind the ideas that are being presented as ‘Illuminati New world Order plots’ or whatever suggests the following principles at work (singly or collectively) : a lack of critical thinking skills; the conflation of conspiracy ‘questioning’ into a fundamentalist belief system that rejects self-criticism; a wilful denial regarding the political perspectives involved because this would threaten your status as self-styled activists for ‘truth and freedom’ (however those are defined); a strategy by right-wing proselytisers to propagate such beliefs under the guise of populist political activism.
Yeah yeah I’m a shill/disinformation agent/ ‘sheeple’ etc etc.

You are holding the whole site accountable for something one person posted!?

“Random quote” or something carefully chosen for maximum effect?

The “Swine Flu” article (mentioned in the post at 6:09 pm) very clearly shows what the architects of global chaos have done, and are doing; as well as their plans for the future.

I have had the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Lorraine Day (several times) on the Jeff Rense Radio Broadcast in 2003-2004. It was not unusual for Jeff to keep me on the air with his guest from 10 to 15 minutes at a time: which is very generous for a program heard across America, and in foreign countries via the Internet.

Dr. Day is one of the best informed individuals that a talk show host could bring on to their program as a guest.

Her credibility far exceeds that of her detractors: who, in most cases, parrot the official / mainstream / globalist (world government) nonesense; and present it as fact – complete with URLs that prop up the same reality-denying flu shot promoting NWO inspired deception.

Dr. Day’s clear thinking, and grasp of what’s happening, can easily be seen (or heard) on the “Why do we still have cancer?” interview (cassette and CD) presented on Radio Liberty, with Stanley Monteith, M.D. http://www.radioliberty.com

Lorraine Day, M.D., is light years ahead of most of her brainwashed critics when it comes to understanding geopolitics, “globalization”, and wellness. The recorded interviews that I have with Dr. Day on various broadcasts are some of the best available anywhere. Once on a diet of this kind of information, it is very doubtful that most readers of this website would prefer the Baloney Sandwiches offered by timewasters, trolls, and victims of the government brain laundry.

“Right-wing” and “extremely right-wing” are terms used by the establishment to turn the general public (that often rely on mainstream sources) against people who effectively expose the agenda of the globalists and their puppets.

As Gary Allen pointed out, in “None Dare Call It Conspiracy,” the left-right political spectrum promoted by the major media is designed to be misleading.

“Communists” are placed on the left. “Facsists” are placed on the right. Fabian Socialists are somewhere in the middle. “The whole spectrum is socialist”!

Dr. Day is not a socialist; and there is no room in the political spectrum (presented by the mainstream media) for people who believe the truth. Only for those caught up in the phony left vs right mainstream distraction.

It’s pure deception. And it’s promoted by the mentally conditioned; and timewasters and trolls alike.

Dr. Day’s article on Swine Flu should be carefully read, and considered as a whole. Instead of speed-reading through it, looking for passages that can be extracted and used for the sole purpose of discrediting her work. In the eyes of truly well informed individuals, Lorraine Day’s harshest critics only expose their own lack of understanding, or perhaps their agenda.

The canard of “anti-semitism” is so old, it has a beard like the musicians in ZZ Top.

It was impossible for me to read through the entire article by Dr. Day before I brought it to the attention of readers at this site. It was timely that I found it when I did, to place it on the discussion thread about mandatory vaccination.

It is up to individuals to consider the information presented by Dr. Day, and compare it to what they have already learned. I do not spend anywhere near as much time discussing Zionists (or Zionist Jews) as Dr. Day does. She has her way of presenting her case against the globalists; and each of us have ours. There is a wealth of good information in her writings at both of her websites. Anyone with a real interest in what’s happening to their country, and the world, will not have any trouble seeing that.

Lorraine Day is a retired medical doctor. She was an orthopaedic surgeon at San Francisco General Hospital. Calling her an “alternative health practitioner” certainly distracts from her training as a medical doctor. She also trained other doctors as part of her job. The discription of her at 6:09 pm is misleading. Not surprising coming from someone who has “contempt” for many of the views presented at this site. That much was obvious… and still is.

Right on Alex. The only reason I post to this loony site is so that casual visitors at least have an opportunity through my links to access reliable information. There are too many disease laden anti vacc nut jobs running about unnecessarily infecting the young and weak. Make being unvaccinated a crime – lock them up where they can’t infect the rest of us.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=11
http://vaccinesafety.ecbt.org/ecbt/documents/Recent_Scientific_Studies_on_Thimerosal_and_Autism_1_8_08.pdf
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/
http://skeptoid.com
http://www.quackcast.com/

Current Troll Count = Philip 1 Troll 0

Well said Philip, and there is a perfect example of the behaviour and weird name calling when you mention the Zionist aspect.

Thank you Lorraine.

Notice the hostility pour from them when certain truth is presented.

Their contempt for this site flowing from their posts like a polluted stream; and readers are supposed to take them seriously?

TROLL-WHACKING MADE EASY

Simply present uncensored truth regarding who controls most major world events (sometimes years in advance) and out come the debunkers-for-sport, the timewasters, and the trolls.

And don’t they enjoy spamming the people whose views they so despise. The same BS over and over. Truly nothing new in their bag of tricks. Go to the recommended sites and see the same hatred of truth (they have) and contempt for people who stand in this day when fantasy is often preferred over reality.

The fantasy that 19 Arab hijackers caused the Twin Towers to collapse straight down, exploding the tons of concrete into fine dust, and cutting some of the columns (near the bottom) at perfect angles: all in less than 16 seconds.

The same “hijackers” that locked the Twin Tower doors leading to the roof (from the outside) so that no one could be rescued from the top of the buildings.

The same “hijackers” that slipped past all the security cameras near the Pentagon with their “plane.” http://www.911inplanesite.com

The same “hijackers” that made sure people in the Towers were instructed (over the intercom) to “go back into the buildings” because “the buildings were safe.”

The same “hijackers” that arranged for NORAD to stand down while “America was under attack.”

The official story is a fantastic piece of fiction. Brought to you by the very people Dr. Lorraine Day has been exposing for more than a decade. The same people who send out their timewasters and trolls, like a plague of clueless locusts, to attempt to drain the energy of those who would oppose them.

Yes, Troll-Whacking Made Easy!

Give them a steady stream of truth, presented by people they despise, in doses that drives them out of their lairs and into the light that irritates them so.

Maybe they will flee in their underwear like Paul Wolfowitz!

Lorraine is right. “EVERYDAY should be whack a troll day”!

Drive them to Limbaugh’s site, where their establishment line of rubbish will find a ready-made audience.

Vaccines are safe – fluoridation is beneficial – surveillance is freedom

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com

I have been pouring hostility on this site since my first post Philip so don’t try and take credit for inspiring that. People who actively promote quack medicine and pseudoscience deserve all the hostility I can muster. They put themselves and those around them at risk from easily preventable diseases and they should be shunned by civilised society. Escape from your paranoid fantasies, learn from the links I have provided and join the real world.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=11
http://vaccinesafety.ecbt.org/ecbt/documents/Recent_Scientific_Studies_on_Thimerosal_and_Autism_1_8_08.pdf
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm
http://www.theskepticsguide.org
http://skeptoid.com
http://www.quackcast.com
http://www.geologicpodcast.com

“Give them a steady stream of truth, presented by people they despise, in doses that drives them out of their lairs and into the light that irritates them so”.

Hallelujah to that Philip.

On the (rare)times I have bothered to go to the troll pushed sites I have been amazed and appalled at the absolute rubbish that THEY believe. Most of it flys in the face of the sheer weight of evidence against it, not to meantion defying common sense!

On a positive note the tide is turning and the trolls know it. The game is up and the truth is out there.

Obama declares May ‘Jewish American Heritage Month’

U.S. president says Jewish American history ‘demonstrates how America’s diversity enriches us all.’

U.S. President Barack Obama on Tuesday declared May Jewish American Heritage Month, saying that the “United States would not be the country we know without the achievements of Jewish Americans.”

Obama called on all Americans to “commemorate the proud heritage of Jewish Americans with appropriate ceremonies and activities.”

“Unyielding in the face of hardship and tenacious in following their dreams, Jewish Americans have surmounted the challenges that every immigrant group faces, and have made unparalleled contributions,” Obama said.
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He added, “Jewish American leaders have been essential to all branches and levels of government. Still more Jewish Americans have made selfless sacrifices in our Armed Forces.”

Obama said that Jewish American community has set an example for all Americans. “They have demonstrated that Americans can choose to maintain cultural traditions while honoring the principles and beliefs that bind them together as American,” said Obama. “Jewish American history demonstrates how America’s diversity enriches and strengthens us all.”

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085215.html

Good to see Obama is pandering again to his handlers.

Geithner confirmed at Bilderberg Meeting

Kurt Nimmo
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, May 14, 2009

Intrepid Bilderberg investigator and reporter Jim Tucker of the American Free Press confirms that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner will attend this year’s Bilderberg meeting in Athens, Greece.

Geithner’s presence will be in violation of the Logan Act, intended to prohibit American citizens without authority from interfering in relations between the United States and foreign governments. Congress established the Logan Act in 1799. The only Logan Act indictment occurred in 1803. It involved a Kentucky newspaper article that argued for the formation in the western United States of a separate nation allied to France. No prosecution followed.

Tucker told Alex Jones today that Geithner will attend the secretive meeting to talk about global government. Geithner recently announced while addressing the Council on Foreign Relations that he supported a proposal to replace the dollar as the world’s reserve currency with a composite of currencies that would be managed by the International Monetary Fund.

“Geithner, who has overseen Obama’s bailout agenda since taking over from Hank Paulson, is the perfect stooge to implement the global financial regulatory systems that elitists have called for in the aftermath of the financial downturn,” writes Paul Joseph Watson today. “Geithner’s presence at Bilderberg is noteworthy, not only because Bernanke attended immediately before the economic crisis last year, but also because Bilderberg’s agenda for 2009 is heavily weighted towards the financial crisis.”

Other U.S. officials will attend the meeting. “US Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg will be the first member of President Barack Obama’s administration to have a meeting with Greek officials in Greece, sources said yesterday,” reports Kathimerini, Greece’s international English language newspaper. “Steinberg will be in Athens for a meeting of the international invitation-only club, the Bilderberg Group, which begins today and runs until Saturday. Sources said that Steinberg is due to meet with Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis and Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis.”

“Whether Lucifer will be down there on the sun-loungers remains to be seen,” Roger Boyes and John Carr write sarcastically for the Times Online. “But what we have been able to establish from a World Bank spokesman, Alexis O’Brien, is that the organization’s president, Robert Zoellick, will be in Athens on unspecified business on May 14. And that US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s public schedule is mysteriously empty for the next two days.”

Robert Zoellick was previously a managing director of Goldman Sachs, United States Deputy Secretary of State, and U.S. Trade Representative. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission and attended Bilderberg meetings in 1991, 2003, 2006 and 2007.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tucker-confirms-geithner-presence-at-bilderberg-meeting.html

Writer detained for taking photo of Sea View near Bilderberg Hotel.

The comedian covering the Bilderberg meeting for the London Guardian has been detained by authorities in Athens, Greece after taking a photograph close to the site of the annual elite gathering.

Charlie Skelton has also personally contacted the Infowars team to clarify his position and explain why he is approaching the issue from a comic angle.

In Skelton’s third article in today’s Guardian, he details an encounter with armed Greek police close to the Astir Palace resort near Athens, during which he was menaced, asked to identify himself and was and eventually detained after photographing the sea view.

Again the approach Skelton takes is a comical one, however, he maintains that his detainment was very serious:

Over came the man with the machine gun. Over came the man with the special mirror-on-a-stick for car bombs. It was the first time in my life, and hopefully the last, that I’ve been intimidated by a mirror on a stick. They circled round me. One of them, the one in the photo with one hand up and the other on his pistol, kept prodding me in the shoulder, and shouting “Give the camera! Just give the camera!” All around me: “Delete! Delete photos!” followed by a lame tug of war for the camera with no great self-belief on either side, which I won.

Then it became: “Get in the car!” Get in the car!” I wasn’t about to get in the car. I remember saying: “One of you has a machine gun, you’re shouting at me, I don’t understand why, I took one photograph, this all seems a bit strange. What’s going on here?”

Rest of article here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/writer-detained-for-taking-photo-of-sea-view-near-bilderberg-hotel.html

Troll whacking is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Never come between a troll and their spam.

I’m convinced, it’s mostly their diet that makes them so cranky. If they would only watch Dr. Day’s video “Diseases Don’t Just Happen” [ http://drday.com/diseases.htm ] she could help reverse their self-destructive eating habits and, in time, they might have a more cheerful disposition.

Spam may contribute to constipation. Also, the MSG and preservatives in spam will probably be their undoing. I guess that’s the good news.

Readers should be aware that even when they seem to be resting from their spamming frenzies; some trolls have the ability to inflate themselves and hover over discussion threads waiting to ambush their adversary.

What defense does a patriot have against these ill-tempered inflatable hovering trolls? One solution may be found in Lorraine’s post at 1:41 pm.

The intimidating mirror on a stick might be handy to spot these creatures, and then used to prod them and keep them at bay.

It’s no wonder they can’t resist coming here. What other website offers such insight?

Stay tuned.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/materials/posters/index.html

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=11
http://vaccinesafety.ecbt.org/ecbt/documents/Recent_Scientific_Studies_on_Thimerosal_and_Autism_1_8_08.pdf
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm
http://www.theskepticsguide.org
http://skeptoid.com
http://www.quackcast.com
http://www.geologicpodcast.com

Go to the above and enter the light of the real world free from imaginary conspiracies, trolls, hobgoblins, little green/gray aliens,big foot, quackery and nonsense non science. You may feel safe and important in your little world of imagined intrigue but you owe it to yourself to make the effort to leave your dark little closet of ignorance and superstition and step out into the light of reason, critical thinking and science.

Speaking of ignorant little twerps, we haven’t heard from Jas for a while. I wonder what has happened to him/her?

The skeptoid troll is one of the most dull-witted of trolls.

Keep giving them the truth and watch them unravel.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

Phillip, The ‘wanttoknow’ link you provided is just a collection of nonsense. It even promotes the Rife machine which has been proven to be a load of pretend-science bunkum. Check out some reliable sources on the subject: “In 2002 John Bryon Krueger, who operated the “Royal Rife Research Society,” was sentenced to 12 years in prison for his role in a murder and also received a concurrent 30-month sentence for illegally selling Rife devices”

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Electromagnetic_Therapy.asp
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=15
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4037
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4013

Good reading and I hope you learn something.

WTC7 countdown, molten metal, basement explosions, Operation Northwoods, put options, incompetant Arab pilots, Saudis fly home scott free, BBC etc. foreknowledge, Bush saw tower 1 strike, FEMA onsite 9/10, magical passports, insurance pay-offs.. COME ON!! is there REALLY an doubt about this? This may be one of the all-time pivotal “proofs” of the 911 truth effort, but the case is far from being dependant on it. This would be an open and shut case in any non-American court. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0

1) The towers collapsed at about the same speed as an object falls through air with no resistance.

2) Explosions were going off throughout each building prior to collapse.

3) Flashes of light were seen (just like controlled demolitions) seconds before at least one of the towers fell.

4) The government (US) was conducting more than ten “drills” the morning of September 11th; some of them involving “terrorists” flying planes into buildings.

5) NORAD stood down that morning instead of scrambling planes to intercept the airliners that were known to be hijacked and headed for Lower Manhattan and Washington, D.C.

6) Some of the alleged hijackers are alive and living in the Middle East trying to get their names cleared from the list of “19 hijackers.”

7) We were told that Atta’s passport survived the flaming infernos of the plane and tower, and floated to the street where someone “found it.”

Larry Silverstein (the lease-holder for building 7) admitted on the PBS documentary “America Rebuilds” that he “gave the fire department permission to pull the building,” an industry term for controlled demolition, “and they watched the building collapse.”

9) Witnesses, including firemen, saw and reported “explosions going off down the side” of at least one of the towers as it collapsed.

10) When presenting the “pancake collapse” theory to the American public, the inventors and peddlers of this notion fail to explain what happened to the 47 steel columns that made up each towers core.

These excerpts were taken from the following LTTE’s discussion thread. More of my thoughts on September 11th can be found here:

http://www.sunjournal.com/story/303323-3/LetterstotheEditor/Same_foxes_same_henhouse/

Big Pharma’s rent-a-troll has been busy since my last post.

The people he likes to ridicule publish their views (in most cases) using their full name. This timewasting incognito troll will do his best to have people revel in the same ignorance that he enjoys.

Just take a look at how many times he has spammed these discussion threads with the same URLs over and over again. Most of the sites he recommends would NEVER PERMIT someone to do *there* what he is getting away with here: even as he scorns this site on a regular basis. The ill-mannered skeptoid troll wants to “educate” others, while in a dense establishment fog himself.

“Lifting the Curtain on the Invisible Government”
http://www.henrymakow.com/310702.html

http://theinternationalforecaster.com _ http://www.radioliberty.com/nlmar05.html

Philip Dec – Monmouth, Maine – USA

How To Spot A Disinformation Agent
May 18, 2009 · 1 Comment

By Clare Swinney

“Information warfare” is being waged throughout the cybersphere. Whether they are CENTCOM disinfo government employees or ill-informed know-it-alls, there has been an ugly battle raging on the Internet for the minds of the public. As any 9/11 truth activist who uses the web regularly can tell you, truth obfuscaters are crawling around message boards like locusts referring to 9/11 truthers as “fringe nutcases,” “ridiculous,” “…fucking conspiracy theorists” and the like, while simultaneously hijacking rational discussions by planting bogus information. And no, the film September Clues, which is based on the psychotic idea that there were no planes used in the attacks on 9/11, is not based on valid information, and jet fuel fires can not melt steel.

Naturally, it is not just information about what really happened on 9/11 that is under attack, the infowar is evident in relation to other topics that governments have a vested interest in lying about, such as chemtrails, mercury in vaccines leading to autism, AIDS/HIV being man-made, “man-made global warming” and the health effects of fluoride and depleted uranium (DU).

Rest of article here

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/how-to-spot-a-disinformation-agent-posted-by-clare-swinney-%e2%8b%85-march-11-2009-%e2%8b%85-post-a-comment-tagstags-25-911-disinfo-artist-disinformation-agent-troll-posted-in-911-media/#more-368

For those of you wondering where Clare is here is the link to her website: Web of Evidence what they don’t want you to know.

Well worth a visit.

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/

So long as you guys believe that planes can disappear inside buildings, & believe the footage that depicted this surreal event was not faked/ manipulated, childishly refer to people not as gullible as yourselves as disinformation agents, 9/11 will never be solved.

PS squeaky, still waiting for your expose`.

“You have two 110-story office buildings: you don’t find a chair, you don’t find a telephone, a computer… the buildings collapsed to dust.” – Joe Casaliggi of Engine 7

http://www.911review.org/Wiki/TwinTowers.shtml

Here is a rare photo of the South Tower a few seconds after it was hit. As the smoke is rising, you get a clearer picture of the area of impact.
http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/2660.jpg

Proof that the Twin Towers were not leveled by the “heat of the fires” is easily available online.

“Cool temperatures in the collision zone” of one of the towers can be seen in the photograph of a woman standing near the edge (at the point of impact) motioning with her arm (can be seen in video) and hoping that she might somehow be rescued. America can send a remote-controlled rover to Marrs to take pictures, but nothing could be done to prevent people from jumping to their deaths on September 11th?
http://www.911-strike.com/demolition_explosive.htm

___________________________________

On the 23rd of November, 2001, the Sun Journal published one of my LTTEs on 9/11, giving it the title:

Enslaved

As carefully orchestrated fear sweeps this nation, many wonder if Sept. 11 is being used as a pretext to transform America into a full-scale surveillance society.

From Day 1 of these tragic events, the American people were being mentally conditioned to begin accepting “inevitable changes” in their lives.

This translates into more control, less freedom, massive spending, another fraudulent war, a higher national debt, another government agency, expanding police powers and a more frightened and more pliable population. Who benefits from all of this?

In times such as these, it is essential that the people of this nation guard their remaining liberties, which were purchased at so high a cost by the Founders of our Republic.

The criminals responsible for these terrible events, will have accomplished more than they ever could have hoped for; if what they did results in not only several thousand dead, but over 260 million enslaved.

___________________________________

At no time, since it happened, did I believe the official story regarding September 11th.

Philip Dec

I’m sure people like this guy “Gary” who’ve spent over a month trying to spam this page with his ASENINE websites and false lawyerish rhetoric, are much more qualified than CERTIFIED SCIENTISTS. I love his claims, “scientific theory” and “astrophysists” and “skeptics”. You, “Gary” (lame ass name) sound like your just trying to make yourself sound smart. If your such a skeptic, why are you so quick to believe the story of the 19 hijackers, smartguy? Either you have no life or you’re still angry over the fact that your Mom never listened to you when you told her one of your stories. If you’re so smart, why are you spending so much of your precious time on this message board? Shouldn’t you be working on your next case against the scientists? Overwhelming evidence of controlled demolition and prior knowledge and all you can say about it is “you’re all hoots believing in big foot and aliens”.

” CERTIFIED SCIENTISTS” Certifiable more likely

“sound like your just trying to make yourself sound smart.” No Tony, it is “you’re” not “your”.

“If you’re so smart, why are you spending so much of your precious time on this message board?” Oh I am sorry, is this message board only for stupid people?

http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php
http://www.randi.org/site/

Good to hear from you Antonio, just proves people can see through this trolls bile.

Your post is appreciated Antonio.

This troll is so numb, he keeps getting whacked, without anesthesia, and doesn’t feel a thing!

The spammer will, no doubt, be back.

With nothing intelligent to add to the thread.

Nothing new in his bag of tricks.

Not a flicker of light since his last post.

Good to see the troll has now changed his signature to show what he really thinks of anyone who questions the mainstream line.

He is even trying a new tactic -post sites that reveal the truth and then claim that we can’t use them because he’s linked to them already. Truly weird illogical nonsense.

If this troll is an idication of the dangers of vaccination to the brain we should all take note.