I started to do the flu recipe in panic and haste, took a big swig of the rum first….now I don’ care hic! I don’ care! shee I don’ hic! ….I’m a bird a piggy and flying ….it woks weksh works ..love ya all….hic!
H1N1 or seven …hic! you can go #$@!***&!!!

About internet viruses
http://www.scamtypes.com/category/security

http://blog.opendns.com/2009/02/09/stats-are-back-and-conficker/

Use opendns to stop crap happening:
http://www.opendns.com/

brianjohnevans

The Ultimate Bird Flu Remedy?
Where is the evidence that this silly concoction works at all?

I am the living proving evidence that just one ingredient works the the um rum -yum so shuddup Gary do the rum – then do the math -there is 10 more ingreviants -yo! go Gary!!

Shuddup Gary!!

“Vitamin C: normal and mega-doses as necessary”

There have been at least 30 well-performed controlled trials to find out whether vitamin C at various dosages can prevent colds, or reduce their severity. What these studies have determined is that vitamin C has no preventive value at all; you’re just as likely to catch a cold if you take daily megadoses as you are if you take nothing at all. A few of these trials did find small reductions in the severity or duration of the colds, but most trials did not show even this small effect.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4103

FemaCamper, your recipe and basic shopping list is a load of completely unsupported nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about and no one should listen to a word you say about medicine. If you truly believe that “someone” is using the flu to cull humans, then you must be working for them since your preventative/curative methods are worthless against flu.

Brianjohnevans, shingle malt whishkey ish teh only cure,

I’m doin’ Kaiser beer six pack one to go Gary!

Hey get this “boil off the rum” So why add it ??

Gary, there’s a big problem with your skepticism. It’s inaccurate.

The vitamin C tests you mention used Vitamin C as the placebo. So yes, they were testing the efficacy of using Vitamin C versus using Vitamin C. It is also a lesser-known fact that doctors often substitute Vitamin C with sugar pills as placebos in order to invalidate medical research.

Some science, huh?

But keep trolling anything medical-related on this site. I’m sure you’re getting kickbacks for this.

Another good concoction is Four Thieves’ Vinegar. That has proven to many people to be effective.

http://www.advance-health.com/fourthievesvinegar.html

But Gary won’t try it, he’d rather inject himself with mercury, live bird flu viruses, cancer viruses and other pathogens. Serves him right!!! Keep drinking your fluoride and take lots of pharmaceutical drugs Gary! If it doesn’t kill you quickly, at least it will give you all sorts of wonderful diseases!

State of Emergency Proclaimed For Swine Flu Threat In USA

http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2009/04/27/state-of-emergency-proclaimed-for-swine-flu-threat-in-usa/

Not a joke anymore

“The vitamin C tests you mention used Vitamin C as the placebo.”
That is bullshit, just like to ridiculous home remedy. And you know it.

” I’m sure you’re getting kickbacks for this.”
I wish.

I found your so called medicine on this site – http://handihelpers.com/page1.html – and the article begins with the words “Note: I am not a doctor or nurse…but what I do know is that all of these ingredients were created by God….”
Wow! Ingredients created by the great Sky Fairy – what a great endorsement.

Stop spreading your lies Femacamper. People need effective proven medical help at this time, not dark ages witchcraft.

As for your endorsement of the Rife machine…..have a look at this….
http://www.benhills.com/articles/articles/SCM43a.html

Again you have been caught promoting witchcraft and pseudoscience. You are a menace to society Femecamper ( and too cowardly to even go by your first name ).

Gary, go troll another thread website, one where they users don’t have at least two firing neurons.

Nobody here buys the crap you’re pandering.

You claim that Femacamper is promoting witchcraft – what are you promoting Gary?
In the last few weeks I’ve seen you claim that aspartame, a known toxin is safe and that mercury, which is highly neurotoxic, is safe to use in vaccines. You are a poison pusher.

What does Gary believe in?
Seeing Gary seems to use this http://www.skeptoid.com site to back up a lot of his weird arguments I thought I would take a closer look at the content of this site. What I found was truly scary and proof positive that he is not to be taken seriously. The site is owned by a one Brian Jennings who interestingly also runs a Venture Capital Business.
Below is a small selection of headings to articles that I found:

Fluoridation: Death from the Faucet! – Most people understand that fluoridation of water means that fluoride is added by the local municipal water supplier, and that’s generally correct. What most people don’t know is that in some cases, fluoridation means removing excess fluoride that occurs naturally in the water supply. Fluoride is a natural component of groundwater, and it occurs naturally everywhere in the world, in varying amounts. The process of fluoridation is to adjust the fluoride content of the water to the most healthful level.

The Detoxification Myth – Today we’re going to head into the bathroom and suck the toxins out of our bodies through our feet and through our bowels, and achieve a wonderful sense of wellness that medical science just hasn’t caught onto yet. Today’s topic is the myth of detoxification, as offered for sale by alternative practitioners and herbalists everywhere.

Supersized Fast Food Phobia – Join me for a cheeseburger and a Coke as we put our feet up, get grease all over ourselves, and examine the deeply-rooted pop culture belief that fast food is bad for you.

The Bohemian Club is a “team building” exercise – Brian concludes that conspiracy charges against the Bohemian Club are vague, implausible, and without any supporting evidence. The null hypothesis, that it is simply a team-building event among wealthy and powerful men interested in the arts and otherwise, is well evidenced and consistent with everything that’s publicly known about them. Of those who say there’s more to it, I’m going to remain skeptical. [But Brian are you ever anything but?]

Ten Most Wanted: Celebrities Who Promote Harmful Pseudoscience
Today I have a list for you: The ten celebrities who most abuse their fame to promote dangerous or otherwise harmful misinformation. You may be disappointed that this is not simply a list of Hollywood Scientologists. On the contrary, I think Tom Cruise deserves a medal. He’s done more to discredit Scientology than anyone else. If anyone didn’t already think Scientologists were nuts, Tom Cruise has sealed the deal. You also won’t find anyone who’s simply a harmless wacko. I endeavored to include only celebrities who are actively doing harm to the public by spreading misinformation that does damage. Thanks to the folks on the email discussion list for suggesting and helping to refine this list.
[This is nothing more than a person attack on good people. I am sure they weren't aware that their entire belief system needed to be run by Brian Jennings to see if he agreed with it. Maybe I should alert the people on the list of this slander and with any luck they might sue him!]

#1 – Oprah Winfrey
The only person who can sit at the top of this pyramid is the one widely considered the most influential woman in the world and who promotes every pseudoscience: Oprah Winfrey. To her estimated total audience of 100 million, many of whom uncritically accept every word the world’s wealthiest woman says, she promotes the paranormal, psychic powers, new age spiritualism, conspiracy theories, quack celebrity diets, past life regression, angels, ghosts, alternative therapies like acupuncture and homeopathy, anti-vaccination, detoxification, vitamin megadosing, and virtually everything that will distract a human being from making useful progress and informed decisions in life. Although much of what she promotes is not directly harmful, she offers no distinction between the two, leaving the gullible public increasingly and incrementally injured with virtually every episode. [Yes people he is serious]

Brian goes on to say this “When you have a giant audience, you have a giant responsibility. Maybe you don’t want such a responsibility, in which case, fine, keep your mouth shut; or limit your performance to jokes or acting or whatever it is you do”.

May I suggest Brian Jenning that YOU follow your own advice and keep YOUR mouth shut or confine your views to dinner party conversation.

Brian Jennings must think the world of replete with weak-minded, gullible individuals if he expects them to swallow that kind of bunk.

“It’s important that you are prepared for this time, because millions, perhaps billions of people will die in ignorance. So before they come for you under Martial Law, get ready.”

Not only is this fearmongering incredibly arrogant, (if you don’t listen to femacamper and Alex Jones you will probably die) it also sounds like something you’d hear in a fundamentalist church sermon.

Thanks for (un)censoring my last few posts!

Obviously you are completely out of touch “Alex”. The NZ Ministry of Health is at a code yellow in response to the current situation with reported cases of Swine Flu. After the last avian flu outbreak a raft of new powers were given to the MoH in the event of a pandemic event. Should the situation around the world worsen a code red will be declared that will mean the compulsory treatment with anti-virus medication of anyone showing flu symptoms, quarantine of indivuals in their home AND the deployment of Police onto the streets to ensure compliance.

I am sure the people in Mexico that have lost their lives and the ones who are sick wouldn’t agree with you Alex and your claims that the fearmongering is arrogant.

Loopy Lorraine wrote: “…. compulsory treatment with anti-virus medication…”

Let’s hope it is proven effective treatment, unlike the crazy new age bunkum mixture proposed by Femacamper ( such an unusual name).

Clare, thank you for at least trying to understand some of the information at Brian Jennings site. It is a pity that most of it has clearly gone right over your head.
I note you didn’t mention his take on vaccination – maybe you actually understood that one.

“Nobody here buys the crap you’re pandering.

Posted by Femacamper | April 28, 2009, 10:52 am”

I’m not selling anything. On the other hand, Femurcounter, you appear to have a vested interest in alternative medicine. Why? Couldn’t you get into proper medical school? Probably too stupid judging by your article.

“Alex” wrote..”sounds like something you’d hear in a fundamentalist church sermon”
why do people who cannot argue based on facts always disract debate? Everything can sound like somethg else you don’t like or agree with, but it has nothing to do with the reality of a situation. An intelligent mind does not put style ahead of substance. Gary, why not leave us alone and go back to the perfect world you live in. Brian, I’m not high enough to understand you, but you apear to be an “evil corporation” leftist. Also, you didn’t seem to get my point about the warming trend on other planets and the common factor we share in the solar system.

Gary I was the one who posted the information on your wacky skeptoid site. The reason I didn’t post the article on vaccination was because I couldn’t stop laughing long enough to copy it.

EVERYTHING on the Skeptoid site you love to quote so much is complete unadulterated rubbish – is that clear enough for you Gary.

One world government is one bland government. One mayor Auckland is one bland Auckland. And a very very depressing future.
I think of Devonport and its hunky fight to keep its antique character and similarly the Waitakere embattled green city. It is not acceptable that we allow pugnacious souls – little bossy Mussolinis – who wrested power via the deeply flawed engines of Talkback Radio and Television to take charge of the debate.
There it is folks – you are rushing off to ‘walmart’ your city and lose all the character that helps keeps us sane and different, – ’sides my traditional poetry will just dry up – it is already losing the battle with ’slam poetry’ from America and the manhired school of cubist wordsmiths, who escaped some scientist’s laboratory, I suspect.
(Letters to the Editor from me in the Sunday News.)
So there is some of your evil corporates working to deprees us right there Alex. Also I live in Auckland and the weather in Mars etc will not matter to us. Except if they heat up there sperm and egg banks and the martin-human they implant pops out with 4 square wheels. xxx
Brian Evans

Oh dear Lorraine. There is no helping you then if you can not understand something as straightforward as Skeptoid.

I would suggest you listen to The Skeptics Guide to The Universe podcast but I doubt you could understand that either.

Better for you to stick to the simple answers provided by Oprah. Simple answers for simple folk.

Oh Garry – how predicable you are. If you deem trash like skeptoid straightforward there really is no hope for you. But then we all knew that already.

To understand nonsense is your speciality not mine.

How interesting that like your hero Brian Jenning you turn to ignorant charactor assassinations to try and prove a point.

Like many have said before me – get lost Gary you are pathetic.

Skeptoid is straight forward to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

I would send you to http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/
but if you can’t follow Skeptoid then you might have trouble understanding this blog.
The current topic is “Acupuncture for IVF Revisited – More Tooth Fairy Science?”. Tooth Fairy Science sounds right up your alley Lorraine.

As for your accusation that I use “ignorant charactor assassinations” I fully agree with you. You are an ignorant character.
But I won’t assassinate you – I’m sure there are plenty of scary space aliens out there ready to do that to all of us once we are weakened by their Swine Flu. ( Joking!) I had to put in the word ‘joking’ because there are people on this site who would believe that aliens caused the swine flu. Sad gits.

Femacamper, has your ‘cure’ had anything approaching the safety and efficacy testing that a vaccine gets? Has it been through the phase I,II and III trials as described here….
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/virus/trials.html

and here….
http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/About_Immunisation/Safety/Clinical_trials

No, I didn’t think so. It is a worthless remedy.

Keep digging that hole for yourself gormless Gary it’s sooooo amusing for the rest of us.

Oh and by the way Gary, quackwatch the other website I notice you love to quote from when trying to backup your bogus claims is run by none other that Stephen Barrett.

See enlightening articles below on the total sum of his credibility:

Dr. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch Exposed In Court Cases
At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett conceded that he was not a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist because he had failed the certification exam.

This was a major revelation since Barrett had provided supposed expert testimony as a psychiatrist and had testified in numerous court cases. Barrett also had said that he was a legal expert even though he had no formal legal training.

The most damning testimony before the jury, under the intense cross-examination by Negrete, was that Barrett had filed similar defamation lawsuits against almost 40 people across the country within the past few years and had not won one single one at trial.

During the course of his examination, Barrett also had to concede his ties to the AMA, Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Food & Drug Administration (FDA).

AND

Subject: Quackwatch Founder Stephen Barrett loses Major Defamation trial in Hometown

In a stunning development, Lehigh Valley Pennsylvania Judge J. Brian Johnson on Thursday, October 13, 2005, tossed out nationally known self-proclaimed ‘consumer medical advocate’ Stephen Barrett’s defamation lawsuit just minutes before it was going to be considered by a local jury.

The lawsuit, filed in August 2002, against also nationally known Pennsylvania chiropractor, lecturer, researcher and publisher, Stephen Barrett sought unspecified damages against Koren and his company, Koren Publications, Inc. for statements that he wrote in his newsletter in 2001 about Barrett.

Barrett, a long-time nemesis of chiropractic, filed the lawsuit because of Koren’s publication that Barrett was ‘licensed’ and in trouble because of a $10 million lawsuit and because Barrett was called a ‘Quackpot’.

In his defense, Koren contended that the statements were true and not defamatory and that he had a First Amendment right to write them in his newsletter.

Thursday’s ruling by Judge Johnson represented a major reversal of the finding of an arbitration in August 2004 wherein a panel of three local private attorneys reviewing the case had found in favor of Barrett and awarded Barrett $16,500 in damages and that Koren should publish a retraction. That award was appealed by Koren.

Dr. Koren was represented by well-known health freedom San Juan Capistrano, California, attorney Carlos F. Negrete for trial and Washington, D.C. attorney James Turner of Swankin & Turner. Easton, Pennsylvania attorney Christopher Reid of Laub, Seidel, Cohen, Hof & Reid served as local counsel for the team and was co-counsel for the trial along with Negrete.

Turner and Negrete have been well known for their representation of clients in the health food, supplement and vitamin industries as well as representing naturopaths, nurses, dentists, physicians, chiropractors and complimentary therapists across the country.

Turner’s experience dates back the 1960s when he joined consumer advocate Ralph Nader and was one of the groundbreaking Nader’s Raiders that made consumer advocacy popular and brought about significant changes in manufacturing and consumer protection.

In making the ruling to throw out the case, Judge Johnson granted a rare directed verdict to the jury finding there was insufficient evidence to support Barrett’s claims. Judge Johnson indicated that this case was one of those rare times where such a motion was appropriate.

Barrett operates the web site http://www.quackwatch.org , http://www.chirobase.org and 20 other web sites and has been a long time critic of chiropractic calling much of it”quackery”.

The victory to chiropractor Koren comes almost 18 years to the date that chiropractors received national attention with their victory against the American Medical Association (AMA) by obtaining an injunction against the AMA from an Illinois federal judge for engaging in illegal boycotting of doctors chiropractic in Wilk et al vs. AMA.

Barrett had been an outspoken supporter of the AMA at the same time that Koren had been a vocal advocate that the AMA has, in recent years, violated the spirit of the federal judge’s order.

After the ruling, Koren proclaimed that: I am overjoyed and enthusiastic that this nightmare is over and that the science, art and philosophy of chiropractic and the work of all of my colleagues have been vindicated.

“This case took a toll on my life and family, but I knew that I was right in publishing the truth.”

Dr. Barrett has no right to misinform the public about chiropractic and other natural healing arts or to try to silence anyone who criticizes him or tell consumers that he is not what he purports to be.

“I believe that it is not right to be silent when there is a duty to inform the public and let the truth be told.”

For years, Barrett has touted himself as a medical expert on ‘quackery’ in healthcare and has assisted in dozens of court cases as an expert. He also was called upon by the FDA, FTC and other governmental agencies for his purported expertise.

He was the subject of many magazine interviews, including Time Magazine and featured on television interviews on ABC’s 20/20, NBC’s Today Show and PBS.

He has gained media fame by his outspoken vocal disgust and impatience over natural or non-medical healthcare, including his criticisms of two time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling.

Dr. Tedd Koren is known for his writings and lectures on chiropractic science, research, philosophy, and chiropractic patient adjusting.

He is known for his Koren Publications chiropractic patient education brochures, posters, booklets, books and other products that are used in chiropractors’ offices throughout the United States and around the world.

Dr. Koren also co-founded a chiropractic college, is on the extension faculty of two chiropractic colleges, is published in chiropractic and bio-medical journals and has received numerous awards in his field. His web sites include http://www.korenpublications.com and http://www.teddkorenseminars.com

In his 2001 newsletter, Koren published articles that revealed that even though he touted himself as a medical expert, Barrett had not been a licensed physician since the early 1990s.

He also published that Barrett had been the subject of a $10 million racketeering lawsuit [that had been withdrawn] and called him a ‘quackpot’ for the contradiction of his website and lack of credentials.

Koren’s trial attorney, Carlos F. Negrete of San Juan Capistrano, California, is known for his defense of physicians, chiropractors, dentists, clinics and natural heath providers who practice what is known as complimentary & alternative medicine and holistic healthcare. Negrete has also handled groundbreaking cases against HMOs in California and has represented many celebrities and politicians.

At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett conceded that he was not a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist because he had failed the certification exam.

This was a major revelation since Barrett had provided supposed expert testimony as a psychiatrist and had testified in numerous court cases.

Barrett also had said that he was a legal expert even though he had no formal legal training.

The most damming testimony before the jury, under the intense cross-examination by Negrete, was that Barrett had filed similar defamation lawsuits against almost 40 people across the country within the past few years and had not won one single one at trial.

During the course of his examination, Barrett also had to concede his ties to the AMA, Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Food & Drug Administration (FDA).

This was not the first time that Negrete was a trial attorney in a Barrett case. He also represented anti-fluoridation advocate Darlene Sherrell in a federal lawsuit filed in Eugene, Oregon by Barrett.

Barrett also lost in trial of that case. Negrete also represented Robert King of King Bio Natural Medicine of North Carolina and MediaPower (manufacturers of CalMax and Nu-Zymes) of Maine in cases filed by an organization led by Barrett, which were lost by Barrett’s organization.

Barrett has also filed a lawsuit against Negrete and his client Dr. Hulda Clark (author of The Cure for All Diseases and The Cure for All Cancers) , which is now pending and awaiting trial in San Diego, California federal court.

After the Koren trial, Negrete stated: “The de-bunker has been de-bunked. I am pleased and satisfied with this outcome for Dr. Koren and am proud that Dr. Koren did not succumb to the pressures of the intimidation of Barrett’s legal wrangling. Not everyone can stand up to someone as well known as Barrett.”

Negrete continued, “It is another great day for health freedom and alternative healthcare around the world. I am especially pleased that this most important victory was in Barrett’s own hometown. It just goes to show you that there is justice anywhere, even when you are a visitor challenging the home team.

Barrett is a shill for the medical and pharmaceutical cartels and his bully tactics and unjustified discrediting of leading innovators, scientists and health practitioners should not be tolerated.”

Negrete said, “You can be assured that our legal team will be wherever health freedom advocates and practitioners are being persecuted. The tide is now turning and people are no long accepting that synthetic drugs are the only form of treatment are the only way to address health concerns.

“Every day, consumers are becoming more educated about the benefits of holistic and alternative methods. This is something that the medical establishment obviously fears and wants to crush with false propaganda.”

Koren said that he would now go back to his home in Pennsylvania to spend more time with his family and continue to write, research, and lecture on topics concerning chiropractic and healthcare and the experiences he has gained from this precedent setting legal battle.

He plans to give new lectures to chiropractors across the country who are under attack or have been subjected to governmental actions.

He also announced that he is forming a new organization aimed at informing and assisting chiropractors across the country.

The trial started on Monday, October 10, 2005 and ended on October 13, 2005 Barrett was represented by local Allentown attorney, Richard Orloski.

http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=289
Once again Lorraine you attack the person and not the argument. The truth of what a person says is not changed by that person being a ratbag or a saint. Are you suggesting that because George Bush thinks the world is round that it must therefore be flat? And since when have legal proceedings in Pennsylvania been accepted as scientific evidence? Jeez girl, use the brain you were born with.

Perhaps you would like to waste some more time digging up the dirt on the contributors to the Science Based Medicine blog now?
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=289

Move to Minnesota Femacamper. Sounds like your sort of place.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=141

Gary are you for real? You put up these websites as proof that the arguments you present are valid. However when the sources are completely discredited, your answer is to say there credibility as a professional in their field is unimportant? Get real moron.

Your “logic” speaks volumes about the views you hold.

Boo who Gary – Did your little game get found out and now you are throwing your toys?!

Hey look on the bright side now I have discredited both of your favourite sites you might do some real research and find everything said here is true.

The biowarfare conspiracies propagated by Alex Jones, Femacamper and co. are pretty explicit in their beliefs that diseases such as swine flu are not naturally occurring illnesses that could – in an absolute worse-case scenario – possibly cause the deaths of millions of people, but are diseases artificially created by internationalist government/occult elites with the express purpose of killing millions of innocent people. What’s more, they then demonise public health cures, such as vaccination programmes, on the logic that as these are organised by governments they must be part of the conspiracy as well. So, since all official sources of information on the disease are not to be trusted since they are part of the global ‘endgame’ conspiracy, that leaves figures such as Jones and Femacamper –who are outside the system exposing the conspiracy – as the only ones who can be trusted to give accurate advice on the situation. Therefore statements such as “It’s important that you are prepared for this time, because millions, perhaps billions of people will die in ignorance” can be readily interpreted as ‘if you remain ignorant – i.e. don’t listen to the important advice that authorities like Jones and Femacamper have to say on the matter – then you run the risk of dying”. A pretty arrogant and self-aggrandising subtext…

A conspiracy is legally defined as “when two people plan together to commit a crime.” This is so commonplace in today’s world, and yet “conspiracy theory” is used as a label to disparage real conspiracies.

They’re not conspiracy theories – they’re conspiracy facts. Baxter was caught shipping live, weaponized bird flu virus. There was also a container of the swine flu in dry ice that exploded, exposing 60 people on an Amtrak train to the virus. The container was also mislabeled, which a doctor has said is basically impossible. It’s beyond irresponsibility, it’s planned bio-terrorism, and it’s being used against you and me.

The Nazis, the Russians, Israel, and America have had these bioweapons programs for years, and now America is implementing theirs.

Countering your chiropractic lies here is a more realistic ‘cut and paste’ from the internet ( your favourite source).

“Barrett is a 1957 graduate of the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons and completed his psychiatry residency in 1961. In 1967 and 1968 he followed part of a correspondence course in American Law and Procedure at La Salle Extension University (Chicago).[2] He was a practicing physician until retiring from active practice in 1993, and his medical license is currently listed as “Active-Retired” in good standing.[3] Longtime resident of Allentown, Pennsylvania, Barrett now resides in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.[4]
In addition to webmastering his websites, Barrett is a co-founder, vice-president and a board member of the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF). He is an advisor to the American Council on Science and Health, and a Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI). From 1987 through 1989, he taught health education at Pennsylvania State University.
Barrett is the consulting editor for the Consumer Health Library at Prometheus Books,[5] has been a peer-review panelist for at least[6] two[7][8] medical journals. He has also served on the editorial board of Medscape[9] and The Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine.[10] According to his website, he “has written more than 2,000 articles and delivered more than 300 talks at colleges, universities, medical schools, and professional meetings. His media appearances include Dateline, the Today Show, Good Morning America, Primetime, Donahue, CNN, National Public Radio, and more than 200 other radio and television talk show interviews.”[6][11]
Barrett has received a number of awards and recognition for his consumer protection work against quackery. Quackwatch received the award of Best Physician-Authored Site by MD NetGuide, May 2003.[1] In 1984, he received an FDA Commissioner’s Special Citation Award for Public Service in fighting nutrition quackery.[12] He received multiple votes or at least one first-place vote in “10 outstanding skeptics of the 20th century by Skeptical Inquirer magazine.[13] In 1986, he was awarded honorary membership in the American Dietetic Association.[12] Barrett has been profiled in Biography Magazine (1998)[14] and in Time Magazine (2001).[15]
The magazine Spiked-online included Barrett in a survey of 134 persons[16] they termed “key thinkers in science, technology and medicine.”[17][18] When he was asked: “What inspired you to take up science?” he replied that his appreciation of medical science:
“probably began when I took a college course in medical statistics, and learned what makes the difference between scientific thought and poor reasoning. Medical school brought me in touch with the rapid and amazing strides being made in the understanding and treatment of disease. My anti-quackery activities have intensified my interest and concern in distinguishing science from pseudoscience, quackery and fraud.”[18]”

But as I said, the truth is independent of the character of the proponent. For example, just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean you are not being conspired against.

Have a look at what is said at these sites. You will find that a better use of your time than searching for dirt like a politician. You will learn that vaccination saves miions of lives whereas your lies cause nothing but illness and death. I am sure you don’t mean to cause illness and death but that is actually the result of this anti vaccination nonsense that you dribble. Educate yourself.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/3/674
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines/
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/
http://skeptoid.com
http://www.quackcast.com/

LOL!

Those sources are all full of lies.

I know chiropractic works for me, because I can function when I see a chiropractor regularly. That’s proof enough for me, and for the millions of other people who go every week.

I think I pretty much covered that yesterday.

Moving on, growing up.

PS Don’t forgot to get your tamiflu tomorrow. I bet big pharma love smucks like you.

Some reliable information about ‘alternative medicine’:

Breast-Fondling Chiropractor Faces “Interpersonal Skills Training”
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=286#more-286

“It’s just a theory”
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=281#more-281

Does alternative medicine have alternative ethics?
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=278

LOL Femacampervan, you have been conned. If you have lower back problems why not go to a medically trained physiotherapist instead of a chiro who got his training from an old magic book.

Thanks Lorraine but I will wait until I need Tamiflu before spending the money – I’m still waiting for the big cheque from from big pharma. Got my flu shot last week though. I’m feeling great. How about you?

Fema… wrote “I know chiropractic works for me, ”

Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me…check out this link:
http://skepdic.com/testimon.html

Gary good to see you FINALLY admitting to being a paid shill for Big Pharma. That could have saved heaps of time if we had of got that information out of you earlier. Jas/ Clare you were right.

Personally I find good old healthy living is preferable to flu shots. So thanks for your concern but I am great!

“Gary good to see you FINALLY admitting to being a paid shill for Big Pharma.” Jeez Lorraine! you are even more gullible than I thought.

And healthy living won’t protect you from the flu you moron.

“Novavax claims to have developed a virus-like( particle (VLP) technology that allows the company to manufacture a vaccine to match a particular virus strain in about three months.”

http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=vaccine-makers-await-critical-swine-2009-04-29

“Immunizations should be part of routine health care obtained through one’s personal physician (or in some instances, through one’s local health department). Long-lasting protection is available against measles, mumps, German measles (rubella), poliomyelitis, tetanus (lockjaw), whooping cough (pertussis), diphtheria, chickenpox (varicella), Hemophilus influenzae b (Hib), and hepatitis B.”
http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu00.html

“A taxonomy of reasoning flaws in the anti-vaccine movement.

Jacobson RM, Targonski PV, Poland GA.
Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic, 200 First Street Southwest, Rochester, MN 55905-0001, United States. jacobson.robert@mayo.edu
In a scholarly analysis of widely held misconceptions, Gilovich provides a classification scheme of common flaws in reasoning seen in contemporary society. He broadly categorizes these flaws as having cognitive determinants or in having motivational and social determinants. In this survey, the authors examine the various claims against routine childhood and adult vaccines as made by the more public and more organized entities of the anti-vaccine movement as well as those made apparent by surveys of parents and other groups of individuals. The claims illustrate the breadth of reasoning flaws while providing a basis for anticipating and correcting them.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17292515?dopt=AbstractPlus

“Celebrity-based medicine.

Ernst E, Pittler MH.
Complementary Medicine, Peninsula Medical School, Universities of Exeter and Plymouth, Exeter, UK. Edzard.Ernst@pms.ac.uk
OBJECTIVE: To collect contemporary accounts of celebrity use of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM), to aid clinicians in determining which CAM treatments patients are likely to use. DESIGN: Articles published during 2005 and 2006 reporting celebrity use of CAM. RESULTS: 38 celebrities were found to use a wide range of CAM interventions. Homeopathy, acupuncture and Ayurveda were the most popular modalities. CONCLUSIONS: There may be many reasons why consumers use CAM, and wanting to imitate their idols is one of them.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17181531?dopt=AbstractPlus

“Herbal remedies cannot cure a cold or flu.”

http://www.holisticonline.com/remedies/Flu/Flu_herbal-medicine.htm

So Femacamper, even the SCAM nutters on this site admit your cure is crap.

Femacamper has no evidence that his mixture works. Anecdotes and imaginings is no substitute for the clinical trials that real medicine has to go through.

“Femacamper ….. he imagines it could work for a number of infections.”

BS

Gary – posting endless rubbish on this site doesn’t give you credibility, however watching you arguing with yourself is hilarious.

I thought endless rubbish was what this site is about Lorraine. At least that is the impression I get from reading the articles and your posts.
Have a great weekend.

Gary I think you are mixing us up with the endless rubbish on Skeptoid and quackcast – now that is nonsense and I think I proved that.

Anyway as previously asked – if the site is such “rubbish” why oh why do you spend so much time on it? Surely if it is infact rubbish why are you so scared of the information presented?

Is it that like your mate Brian Jenning’s you have taken on the global responsibility of deciding what others can or can’t believe?

I don’t take the weekend off from fighting dis-information agents like yourself so see you tomorrow.

Lorraine, your ad hominem attacks on the contributors to Skeptoid and Quackcast proved only that you are unable to fault what they have written. Please look again at the following websites where you will see clearly that you are mistaken in your attitude to vaccination and many other things.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/3/674
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines/
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/
http://skeptoid.com
http://www.quackcast.com/

My only fear regarding the rubbish presented as fact on this web site is that gullible people might actually believe it and put themselves, their children and their neighbours at risk from crippling infectious diseases that are preventable by vaccination.

Even though you will spend the weekend fighting imaginary dis-information agents I hope you enjoy yourself. Maybe the memories will sustain you through the painful days as you suffer from the seasonal flu, assuming you are one of the 10 to 15 percent who will catch it this year. Let’s hope you do miss out on catching the flu as without vaccination you will be in for a miserable time, made even worse by having to drink Femacounter’s foul concoction.

Lorraine/Clare/Jas, tey to avoid ad hominem attacks on Karin and Margaret in your fact laden criticism of their research.

“Continuing vigilance is necessary regarding the safety of vaccines, as is open-minded evaluation of new evidence. However, such evidence must be of sufficient scientific rigor to provide a responsible basis for decisions that influence the safety of children. When information is incomplete, as it is at present for thimerosal-autism questions, a balancing must be made of risks posed by vaccine constituents and the benefits of disease prevention achieved by keeping immunizations widely available. On the basis of current evidence, we consider it improbable that thimerosal and autism are linked.

Karin B. Nelson, MD

Neuroepidemiology Branch
National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke
Bethesda, MD 20892-1447

Margaret L. Bauman, MD

Children’s Neurology Service
Harvard Medical School
Boston, MA 02114-2620″

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/3/674

Gary, As you believe in the importance of clinical trials, please read and digest the contents of this article from the UK Telegraph -
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

And read this – a vaccine distributed by Baxter was tested on ferrets and they all died. It contained live avian flu virus. Refer:
Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries
http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html

“authorities have yet to prove a direct link between the deaths and the activities of the medical staff” said that very same article. Correlation is not causation.

“Baxter International Inc. in Austria ‘unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus” …… so someone cocked up. A mistake was made. Hardly a conspiracy.

On the other hand you are deliberately trying to get people killed by encouraging them not to get vaccinated. You are part of a conspiracy to reduce the world’s population be getting millions of people killed by infectious diseases. Shame on you.

Clare,
How much ethylmercury do you get from vaccinations?
How much methylmercury do you get from vaccinations?
How long does the ethylmercury stay in the body?
How much mercury does the average non vaccinated person ingest in a year from food and the environment?

Gary,

Why don’t you get a life?
Why do you insist on pursuing arguments that go around in a circle?
Why don’t you accept the facts that are clearly there to see?
And finally why don’t you get lost?

Yes, get lost Gary so we don’t need to waste precious time dealing with your anti-human spamming for the medical mafia.

even actor jim carrey believes vaccines are the probable main cause of autism,i have about 5 dvds on the subject,the evidence is pretty conclusive

In 1983, autism rates were 1 in 10,000 and there were 11 vaccines in the pediatric schedule. Today there are 36 pediatric vaccines and autism rates are reported as high as 1 in 80 in local school districts in Oregon and New Jersey.

read here http://www.generationrescue.org/evidence-science/05a-autism-and-vaccines.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-carrey/the-judgment-on-vaccines_b_189777.html

The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) safety of exposure standard is .1 microgram per kilogram of body weight per day equating to 7 micrograms for a 70 kilogram adult. Fully vaccinated children receive as much as 237.5 micrograms of mercury from vaccines in doses of up to 25 micrograms each. According to studies carried out by the research team of Geier and Geier, thimerosal in a single vaccine greatly exceeds the EPA adult standard.21

The epidemiological evidence is compelling and statistically conclusive. Geier and Geier found that the prevalence of speech disorders, autism and heart arrest was a function of the mercury dose that the children received. Autism is now epidemic in the United States, rising from 1 in 2500 children in the mid 1980s to 1 in about 300 children in 1996. There has been a steady increase to the childhood vaccination schedule since the late 1970s.

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/mercury.html

http://www.jpands.org/vol8no1/geier.pdf

Nice try Mada but you didn’t answer my questions.

Mercury is not the same as ethlymercury or methylmercury just as Hydrogen (the inflamable gas) id no the same as Dihydrogen monoxide (commonly known as water).
The properties are quite different. To claim that ethylmercury has the same effects as mercury is as stupid as claiming that hydrogen has the same properties as water.

“Removing Thimerosal From Vaccines Did Not Reduce Autism Cases In California, Report Finds.”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm

You will find all your arguments clearly and plainly refuted in the following links:
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines/
http://www.theskepticsguide.org/
http://skeptoid.com
http://www.quackcast.com/

No one has yet answered my simple questions:

How much ethylmercury do you get from vaccinations?
How much methylmercury do you get from vaccinations?
How long does the ethylmercury stay in the body?
How much mercury does the average non vaccinated person ingest in a year from food and the environment?

And remember, mercury is not the same as ethylmercury.

ggalin believes in CAM! Celebrity Alternative Medicine?

“Removing Thimerosal From Vaccines Did Not Reduce Autism Cases In California, Report Finds.”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm

AND anyway, mercury poisoning has different symptoms to autism.
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines/

Thimerosal is 49.6% mercury by weight. In the human body, thimerosal is metabolized to ethyl mercury. Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-time of about 3.5 to 18 days, depending who you want to believe. Once in the brain, ethyl mercury converts to what’s called inorganic mercury. Inorganic mercury metabolized from ethyl mercury has a much longer clearance, at least 120 days. Don’t have the time at the moment to find what the quantity of ethyl mercury is metabolized from mercury so maybe you could enlighten me Gary.
Methyl mercury is the type of mercury in the environment (food,coal plants,volcanoes), clears the blood with a half life of about 44 days .
How much mercury does the average non vaccinated person ingest in a year from food and the environment? Depends on where you live, if and how much fish you eat, eating foods containing mercury residues from processing. You would get this mercury if you are vaccinated or not.
science direct.com
Rxlist.com
http://en.wikipedia.com

Thimerosal contains around 25mcg.
The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) safety of exposure standard is .1 microgram per kilogram of body weight per day equating to 7 micrograms for a 70 kilogram adult

” there is no convincing evidence that thiomersal is a factor in the onset of autism” also from http://en.wikipedia.com

Go here for the right answers to my questions:
http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines/

“Removing Thimerosal From Vaccines Did Not Reduce Autism Cases In California, Report Finds.”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm

The unproven risks are miniscule compared with the proven benefits of vaccination. You are foolish to remain unvaccinated.

Didn’t find any answers at http://docartemis.com/blog/2009/01/31/books-25-vaccines/

But Dr Paul Offit did say “and it’s ethyl mercury, and we know that
that’s excreted far more quickly than environmental mercury, but we don’t know
that we aren’t causing subtle forms of mercury toxicity”.

Didn’t want to buy his book until the court case was cleared up.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/columbia-university-press-and-dr-paul-offit-sued-for-autisms-false-prophets.html

i think gary has been vaccine damaged,this explains all the intelligent comments on here

I wasn’t suggesting you buy his book Mada. That comment about the court case is just another ad hominem attack. Didn’t you learn anything from listening to the podcast?

Of course we don’t know that we aren’t causing subtle forms of mercury toxicity. But we do know that vaccination saves millions of lives, and we have not found a connection between mercury and autism. There may be one but on the current evidence it is about as likely as finding hedgehogs on the moon.

ggalin, I have met people who have been damaged by not being vaccinated – polio crippled them badly and they would have been delighted to be as ‘damaged’ as I am.

Gary now that you have said there may be a connection between mercury and autism however slim the chances you give it, and until more research is done on Inorganic mercury in the brain do you think any one can call them safe

Mada, I said the connection between mercury and autism “is about as likely as finding hedgehogs on the moon.”
You are in far greater danger during your walk to the doctors than from the vaccine. And you are in far greater danger if you don’t get vaccinated than if you do.

THE FACTS:

1.

Mercury is hazardous to humans. The use of a toxic poison as a preservative is undesirable, unnecessary and should be eliminated entirely.

2.

For decades, ethylmercury was used extensively in medical products ranging from vaccines to topical ointments as preservative and an anti-bacteriological agent.

3.

Manufacturers of vaccines and thimerosal, (an ethylmercury compound used in vaccines), have never conducted adequate testing on the safety of thimerosal. The FDA has never required manufacturers to conduct adequate safety testing on thimerosal and ethylmercury compounds. Current evidence suggests thimerosal is neither “safe nor effective” when used as a preservative in vaccines.

4.

There are over 1500 studies and papers documenting the hypoallergenicity and toxicity of thimerosal (ethylmercury) have existed for decades.

5.

The United States is in the midst of a tragic epidemic of autism. An analysis of the US Department of Education data from 1992-1993 in comparison to 2000-2001 indicates that there has been an average increase of 644% among all US children. In addition, 13 states have reported an almost infinite or infinite increase in autism from 1992-1993 in comparison to 2000-2001. A review of children in US schools indicates that approximately 1 in 9 children in the US is currently disabled by the US Department of Education Statistics (see attachment). Recent studies in the Journal of the American Medical Association and Pediatrics have confirmed the autism epidemic is real and not due to changes in diagnosis, populational changes nor is it explained by other factors.

6.

At the same time that the incidence of autism was growing, the number of childhood vaccines containing thimerosal was growing, increasing the amount of ethylmercury to which infants were exposed threefold.

7.

A growing number of scientists and researchers believe that a relationship between the increase in neurodevelopmental disorders of autism, attention deficit hyperactive disorder, and speech or language delay, and the increased use of thimerosal in vaccines is plausible and deserves more scrutiny. In 2001, the Institute of Medicine determined that such a relationship is biologically plausible, but that not enough evidence exists to support or reject this hypothesis. Recent studies have confirmed the association between the use of thimerosal and autism has moved from “biologically plausible” to a “biological certainty” (Boyd Haley). Recent work by Dr. Mark Geier and David Geier in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons and Experimental Biology and Medicine have shown strong epidemiological evidence for a causal relationship between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders in children.

8.

The FDA acted too slowly to remove ethylmercury from over-the-counter products like topical ointments and skin creams. Although an advisory committee determined that ethylmercury was unsafe in these products in 1980, a rule requiring its removal was not finalized until 1998.

9.

The FDA and the CDC failed in their duty to be vigilant as new vaccines containing thimerosal were approved and added to the immunization schedule. When the Hepatitis B and Haemophilus Influenzae Type b vaccines were added to the recommended schedule of childhood immunizations, the cumulative amount of ethylmercury to which children were exposed nearly tripled.

10.

The amount of ethylmercury to which children were exposed through vaccines prior to the 1999 announcement exceeded two safety thresholds established by the Federal Government for a closely related substance – methylmercury. While the Federal Government has established no safety threshold for ethylmercury, experts agree that the methylmercury guidelines are a good substitute. Federal health officials have conceded that the amount of thimerosal in vaccines exceeded the EPA threshold of 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of bodyweight. In fact, the amount of mercury in one dose of DTaP or Hepatitis B vaccines (25 micrograms each) exceeded this threshold many times over. Federal health officials have not conceded that this amount of thimerosal in vaccines exceeded the FDA’s more relaxed threshold of 0.4 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. In most cases, however, it clearly did. As evidence of the growing concern of the adverse effects of mercury, the FDA has recently changed its permissible dose of oral methylmercury from 0.4 microgram to 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day.

11.

The actions taken by the HHS to remove thimerosal from vaccines in 1999 were not sufficiently aggressive. As a result, thimerosal remained in some vaccines for an additional two years. Thimerosal remains in several vaccines and with the addition of the influenza vaccine now being recommended for infants, children are exposed to more thimerosal today than ever before.

12.

The CDC’s failure to state a preference for thimerosal-free vaccines in 2000 and again in 2001 was an abdication of their responsibility. As a result, many children received vaccines containing thimerosal when thimerosal-free alternatives were available.

13.

Thimerosal should be removed from all of these vaccines. No amount of mercury is appropriate in any childhood vaccine.

14.

The CDC in general and the National Immunization Program in particular are conflicted in their duties to monitor the safety of vaccines, while also charged with the responsibility of purchasing vaccines for resale as well as promoting increased immunization rates.

15.

There is inadequate research regarding ethylmercury neurotoxicity and
nephrotoxicity.

16.

There is inadequate research regarding the relationship between autism and the use of mercury-containing vaccines.

17.

To date, studies conducted or funded by the CDC that purportedly dispute any correlation between autism and vaccine injury have been of poor design, under-powered, and fatally flawed. The CDC’s rush to support and promote such research is reflective of a philosophical conflict in looking fairly at emerging theories and clinical data related to adverse reactions from vaccinations.

Gary do you think Thimerosal is safe?

Yes, much safer than not being vaccinated.

“There is no convincing scientific evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines,”
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal.htm

“What must it be like to spend a huge amount of time every waking day trying to change public health practice, only to find out that you were wrong?

That is precisely what has happened to the proponents of the theory that mercury in vaccines — contained in the preservative thimerosal, which once was used (and is used no longer) in vaccines — is responsible for a nearly 20-year explosion in autism and other neurological disorders among American children.

This urban legend has had very real and terrible consequences. It has led, and continues to lead, many parents to avoid getting their kids and themselves vaccinated against life-threatening diseases. The failure to vaccinate has caused many preventable deaths and avoidable hospitalizations from measles, whooping cough, diphtheria, flu, hepatitis, and meningitis. And fear of vaccines puts each one of us at risk that we, our children or grandchildren will become part of a deadly outbreak triggered by someone whose parents avoided getting their child vaccinated for fear of autism.”
http://www.immunize.org/reports/report094.asp

Recent Scientific Studies on Thimerosal and Autism http://vaccinesafety.ecbt.org/ecbt/documents/Recent_Scientific_Studies_on_Thimerosal_and_Autism_1_8_08.pdf

It has been proven that there is no link between vaccines and autism.

Vaccines do not contain harmful levels of mercury, and those that do contain trace amounts of mercury contain a type of mercury which is not harmful. One can ingest more mercury from eating a piece of fish that they will in a lifetime of vaccinations and boosters.

Homeopathy and Evidence-Based Medicine: Back to the Future

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=11

The Placebo Myth
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=158

More about vaccines: Australian research suggests autistic behaviours can be detected as early as eight months. That is months before getting the MMR vaccine, so that rules out the vaccine as a cause.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2009/2567806.htm

Gary did you notice that everybody else stopped posting because they are sick of your drivel and incessant bullshitting?

Please, take your spew elsewhere.

Exactly what he wants, Femacamper.

Readers need to post as if he doesn’t exist. Not easy to do at times; but it will be the most effective way of dealing with him. *Any* attention feeds and energizes him. Feed the trolls and they will keep coming back for more.

http://www.sunjournal.com/story/312549-3/LetterstotheEditor/Stop_the_wealth_usurpers/

Perhaps people have stopped posting after going to my links and then realising that this site is full of BS.

I notice that you have nothing to say about this:
Australian research suggests autistic behaviours can be detected as early as eight months. That is months before getting the MMR vaccine, so that rules out the vaccine as a cause.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2009/2567806.htm

Gary, we’re not denying that autism can be caused before the two year injection, or by other causes. We are observing the correlation between the second-year injection and the rocketing rates of autism around the injection date.

Autism is basically a form a brain damage, which could be caused by multiple sources. Vaccines are by far the most likely cause in a typical given case.

All the SCIENCE says otherwise Femacamper. Autism is not caused by vaccination.

Trollfact #1

Excerpts from a message originally published May 21, 2009

Trolls are brainwashed.

You won’t see them spending every day at a site typically visited by other dull-witted brainwashed trolls because they are programmed to attempt to hinder the truth from being published at alternative websites.

These “useful idiots” see themselves as the “debunkers,” when, in reality, they are the clowns: sent in by the military / industrial / major media complex, certain intelligence agencies, the CFR, and Big Pharma.

Edward Bernays (1891-1995) probably did as much as anyone to produce the 21st Century Internet troll. Regarded by his first biographer (since his death), Larry Tye, as “The Father of Spin,” Bernays had this to say about the behind-the-scenes programming of the general public:

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses, is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government, which is the true ruling power of our country [they control the sites that trolls will send their potential victims to]. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”

As blind disciples of Edward Bernays (and the invisible government he spoke of) clueless Internet trolls will fish for victims at alternative websites and lead them back to the trough of the corporate-controlled media. The blind and willingly ignorant corporate clone attempting to lead others away from an oasis of truth, and into a wasteland of establishment deception. They refuse to enter into the light of truth themselves, and attempt to bar the way, preventing others from entering in.

Edward Bernays has been credited with placing water fluoridation in a favorable light so that the general public would believe the lie that fluoride is “safe and beneficial.” It is neither. http://nofluoride.com

And, guess which position the troll takes on fluoridation?

At the very least, he is a dupe of the establishment: parroting every falsehood they attempt to foist on those they desire to rule over.

But foremost, being a troll, he is brainwashed. And that explains his clinging to almost every lie coming from the establishment’s organs of propaganda.

“Vaccines are safe and effective” – “fluoridation is beneficial for communities” – “aspartame is harmless” – “the skies are normally white” – “debt is wealth” – “surveillance is freedom”

http://midnight-emissary.com/des_griffin_news.html

Woah Phil! Your paranoia is showing. Please go here for some sanity.
http://tinyurl.com/msft8x

or here for vaccine sanity… http://tinyurl.com/o6ugs4

Femacamper, some treats for you.

http://tinyurl.com/no39dq

http://tinyurl.com/l56vmd

Enjoy

Here is a treat for you, Gary, from a “troll-free” zone. [See URL below]

You are the one promoting foolishness and medicating the public against their will.

Drink the concoction offered a few days ago by Jock Doubleday; and make sure your microchip is working.

The site would be devastated if you were to be kidnapped and the authorities not able to find you.

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/the-deception-of-fluoridation/#more1148

Read up and drink up troll. You would not be missed.

Anyone who thinks that ‘science’ shows no link between vaccines and autism really has no knowledge of the actual facts in the situation (or willfully chooses to ignore them).

Firstly, in true corporate spin, ‘Thimersol free’ vaccine does not mean mercury free. It simply means less mercury.

Secondly, additional mercury-containing vaccines were added to those given to infants of 6 to 23 months of age.

Thirdly, vaccines with a high aluminium content were added to that list. Both mercury and aluminium are neurotoxins, and anyone who disagrees with that, which is a science fact, is invited to drink the cup of vaccine glop (or better yet, yes, have it injected straight into the blood stream…).

Here is an excellent place to start reading, complete with ‘real’ references (no ‘Amazing Randii’ or fake psychiatrists, but lots of nice CDC and WHO links): Aluminium in Vaccines: a neurological gamble, by Neil Miller (www.thinktwice.com)

Therefore, any study claiming (or interpreted as such) that ‘removal’ of mercury had no effect of autism rates is, naturally, a complete shonk. Some people will still claim that, of course, but it is what it is – utter rubbish (but then, there will always be people who don’t think for themselves, or who have other agendas, and desperately hope that others will not read…)

Read this – http://tinyurl.com/o6ugs4 – and make up your own mind.

“Thimerosal is a preservative that allows vaccines to be sold in multi-dose vials. It contains ethylmercury. It was tested and found to be safe before it was added to vaccines. Animal studies showed no adverse effects. In 1929 in Indiana it was tested as a treatment in a meningitis outbreak — adults injected with 2 million mcg (10,000 times the total amount in all children’s vaccines) didn’t develop symptoms of mercury poisoning.
A study from the Seychelles showed that children getting high doses of methylmercury from fish did not develop neurologic symptoms. A study of children in the Faroes who were exposed in utero to whale meat highly contaminated with methylmercury showed subtle neurologic abnormalities (not autism), but a causal connection was not clear because the fish there were also contaminated with PCBs.
The World Health Organization concluded:
The theoretical risk from exposure to thimerosal has to be balanced against the known high risk of having no preservative in vaccines. Therefore, WHO, UNICEF, the European Agency for Evaluation of Medicinal Products (EMEA), and other key agencies continue to recommend the use of vaccines containing this preservative because of the proven benefit of vaccines in preventing death and disease and the lack of data indicating harm.”

OOh Phil, are you going to kidnap me? I am so scared.
Ha ha,
You have been inhaling too many chemtrails mate.

Stan, Anyone who thinks that ’science’ shows a causal link between vaccines and autism really has no knowledge of the actual facts in the situation (or willfully chooses to ignore them.

Get vaccinated – it doesn’t hurt that much you big babies.

True story of British gut surgeon Andrew Wakefield and his strange crusade against a children’s vaccine.

http://tinyurl.com/6g6wz

Vaccines have no proven benefit.
Mercury and Aluminium are neurotoxins (but anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to take
the vaccine challenge – preferably by injection).

Thank you for your contributions on this subject, Stan. The vaccine issue is one that everyone who desires to be free should understand.

Don’t pay too much attention to the troll. The more people rattle his cage, the nastier he gets. Much of his ill-mannered temperament stems from his self-destructive lifestyle.

Trolls love the darkness and resent people attempting to shed light where they prefer the dark to dominate.
Being raised in a cave makes trolls cranky from the time they’re young. Living under a bridge hasn’t improved this one’s disposition at all. His eyes are sensitive from years of being in the dark so he gets upset with those who desire to bring light unto his path. Being the dull-witted creature that trolls are, he prefers to stumble along in his self-inflicted fog and pull as many as possible into the fog with him. The saying “misery loves company” certainly applies with trolls.

His diet of spam has done nothing to improve his disposition. The MSG content is laying waste his brain cells; but he feels that he is intellectually so superior to the rest of us who leave messages here that he can spare them. The heavy spam diet may be constipating the troll and adding to his discontentment and angry outlook. Lorraine Day, M.D., has the answer to the trolls predicament http://drday.com/diseases.htm but, of course, he only scorns Dr. Day’s advice and continues shooting himself in the foot with his destructive lifestyle. It would not be so bad if he didn’t take out his frustration on the rest of us. As other readers are well aware, he can be one cranky troll at times.

Trollfoolery is what you can expect from him. The following is an example:

“Happy day at my home. Both my daughters have just had their first HPV vaccination. Together with my wife and son they also got their flu vaccinations.

I’ll be sure to let you all know when the first signs of autism start to show. Ha ha ha”. June 10, 2009, 1:29 pm

Nothing needs to be added to this stupidity, it’s all encompassing.

Many of us just ignore the URLs he posts. They will pull people into the same dense mainstream fog that he revels in. The fact that this is an alternative site doesn’t stop him from spamming establishment rubbish, almost on a daily basis, frantically trying to do the will of his handlers that put him up to this obnoxious behavior. Whether he gets paid to shill for the globalists, none of us know for sure. Many readers ignore his posts altogether. This is a good approach because it is impossible to get roped into endless debates if one simply refuses to read the troll’s foolishness to begin with.

Again, Stan, your posts are appreciated. It is good to have another writer leaving information that exposes the troll’s nonsense. I will close with the words of someone I had the pleasure of speaking with on the Jeff Rense Program in 2004, Dr. Russell Blaylock:

“They were obviously terrified that the information would leak out to the public. Stamped in bold letters at the top of each page of the study was the words-”DO NOT COPY OR RELEASE” and “CONFIDENTIAL.” This is not the wording one would expect on a clinical study of vaccine safety; rather you would expect it on top-secret NSA or CIA files. Why was this information being secreted? The answer is obvious – it might endanger the vaccine program and indict the federal regulatory agencies for ignoring this danger for so many years. Our society is littered with millions of children who have been harmed in one degree or another by this vaccine policy. In addition, let us not forget the millions of parents who have had to watch helplessly as their children have been destroyed by this devastating vaccine program.” – THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Russell Blaylock, M.D.

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Philip Dec – P.O. Box 76 – Monmouth, Maine – 04259 – USA – 207-933-3441

Thank you Philip. I find your posts very informative, and often very funny

Like Lorraine and Barron, for eg, you take the time to lay out proper research, and this will be appreciated by those visiting this site who are willing to think for themselves.