The evidence ae911truth.org does not want you to know.

None of us should be surprised by ae911truth’s desperation in dishonestly misrepresenting the events depicted in this video. Once again, they have to resort to propaganda in an effort to con people and dishonestly use firemen who lost their lives.

This is a topic that was discussed several years ago when the transcripts and tapes were released. It clearly shows that the firemen reached the 78th and 79th floor and no higher before the WTC 2, the south tower they were in, collapsed. They were trying to reach and help evacuate the many injured of people on those floors.

Clearly, there was no inferno on those floors or below. This is not rocket science. People were alive on these floors.

But what this video does not tell you – and what ae911truth dishonestly does NOT want you to know – is that the major fires were burning on floor 80 and ABOVE.

The narrator states” Either there were emergency teams operating in the building, or there was a tremendous inferno of sustained temperatures as required to obliterate steel.

“The two possibilities are mutually exclusive.”

This is a fallacy used to convince novices to the subject that the government “must be lying.” AE911truth.org uses this fallacy, known as the Fallacy of False Alternatives, deliberately. There is the third alternative they don’t want you to know: that the firemen died never having reached where the fires were burning out of control.

This claims was debunked years ago and is archived here.

http://911myths.com/html/no_wtc2_inferno_.html

There are many NYFD firemen and victims’ families that are now just learning of ae911truth.org’s deceit. There will be demands for the group to retract this video and claims and apologize to the firemen.

We hope you will speak out against ae911truth.org’s blatant lie and demand they apologize to the NYFD and the victims’ families and retract its dishonest and hurtful claim.

Hi, bjedwards.

Why do you think that ae911truth is desperate to lie, deceive, and dishonestly misrepresent the events ?

WHY, exactly.

yes, WHY (exactly or even vaguely)

The history of the 9/11 “Truth” Movement is pretty clear. It is entirely a political movement without concern for facts, evidence, or the truth. It is not by accident that it earned it’s real name, the 9/11 Denial Movement, back in 2002.

It is no different than any other denial movement whether Creationism, round-earth denial, moon-landing denial, or Holocaust Denial. Whatever the motivation to lie, misrepresent or ignore inconvenient facts and evidence, repeat debunked claims, and try to shift the burden of proof, the fact remains it does.

AE911Truth.org has a hideous reputation in the U.S. as one of the most recent members of the 9/11 Denial Movement. I gave you an example of their blatant lying above, done with malice of forethought, and done in the most egregious and disgusting manner possible: misrepresentation using victims of the NYFD.

You can ask them why. And you, like us, can ask them to retract their video and apologize to the families of the 9/11 victims.

“The history of the 9/11 “Truth” Movement is pretty clear. It is entirely a political movement without concern for facts, evidence, or the truth.”

Not true. That is just a blatantly false statement.

“It is not by accident that it earned it’s real name, the 9/11 Denial Movement, back in 2002.”

Never heard that name before.

“It is no different than any other denial movement whether Creationism, round-earth denial, moon-landing denial, or Holocaust Denial.”

No different in -your- head maybe…

“Whatever the motivation to lie, misrepresent or ignore inconvenient facts and evidence, repeat debunked claims, and try to shift the burden of proof, the fact remains it does.”

Again, your perspective. Your own stunted, blinkered perspective.

“AE911Truth.org has a hideous reputation in the U.S. as one of the most recent members of the 9/11 Denial Movement.”

Only hideous amongst people like you.

“I gave you an example of their blatant lying above, done with malice of forethought, and done in the most egregious and disgusting manner possible: misrepresentation using victims of the NYFD.

You can ask them why. And you, like us, can ask them to retract their video and apologize to the families of the 9/11 victims.”

Pack your bags – we’re going on a guilt trip.

Sorry – but that’s not even clever.

If anyone needs to apologise to the families as well as those who were murdered as well as those millions in south west asia who have had their lives ruined by the resultant american / israeli foreign policy – it should be people like you.

Bugger off, bj

I see ewingsc is a newbie at this, afraid to confront the reality that 9/11 “Truth” is one cesspool of nuttery.

Your 9/11 Denial Movement is made up of blinkered buffoons and con artist leaders like David Ray Griffin, one of the biggest frauds and charlatans of the movement who uses the gullible to repeat debunked lies in very the very profitable books he writes just for you.

I’m sorry I upset your fairy tales about 9/11, but we are sick and tired of idiots who can’t think rationally passed their noses and particularly those who blatantly use and misrepresent the victims of 9/11 for their own scurrilous purposes.

The arrogance of your ignorance is not pretty, ewingsc.

Your opinion isn’t interesting, bj.

Paint a vulgar picture all you want.

It won’t make any difference.

Can you tell me why WTC 7 experienced near simultaneous structural failure at all points of its construction?

… oh, and -Fuck- you, bj.

yea, BJ I’d love to hear your explanation of building 7, please… enlighten us.
I have to say, though BJ, your use of the word ‘denial’ (so as to equate us with Holocaust denial) is a brilliant trick, so very clever, though I’m such a noob, that perhaps I’ve just never seen it before, Just as I’ve never heard the phrase “911 denial movement” I’ve heard of 911 truth denial movement, you know, people like you.. but not the 911 denial movement, thanks for the ‘intel’ I’ll look it up on the interweb box.

“yea, BJ I’d love to hear your explanation of building 7, please… enlighten us.”

I would too.

Please … enlighten us.

bj ?

hello ?

The first line of your first comment was :

“The evidence ae911truth.org does not want you to know.”

Why would ae911truth.org

“not want me to know” something ?

(that just kind of flies in the face of their own mission statement … )

… and if you -do- actually somehow work for Cass Sunstein ?

… then please send him an -immeadiate- email / memo requesting that he -please- chug a large bottle of Draino as he hurls his own sorry corpse through his own office window down onto the street below.

Thanks.

You -fuck-

eeeeew ikky, cass sunstein, creepy little psychopath. Theres just something about him that reminds me of a bad hair 1970s Heinrich Himmler crossed with Paul Simon.

…but maybe that’s my issue.

” …but maybe that’s my issue.”

Nope.

That’s an accurate description of the man, IMOHO.

Well, I see I landed plop in the middle of a Den of Deniers. Angry, little deniers at that who don’t even know they belong to the 9/11 Denial Movement. Classic, dense newbies.

So let me help you out of your present difficulties to save you from your own self-delusions.

You claim never to heard of the proper name for your group of deniers. Back in 2002, when it became evident on Usenet that there was a new crop of conspiracists determined to re-write history, overturn known evidence about 9/11, make up fantasies about explosives bringing down the towers, holograms hitting the towers, not planes, no Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon, you know, all that silliness, it became evident that no amount of reason, logic, science, evidence, or critical thinking could reach this funny group of people who misnamed themselves “9/11 Truthers.”

That’s when we stepped in to correct the record.

There’s tons for you all to review so you understand that 9/11 Denial and the 9/11 Denial Movement are the proper terms for your movement. Read and learn:

Denial Movements 101: introduction to argumentoids
by Caj
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/5/739123/-Denial-Movements-101:introduction-to-argumentoids

Wednesday, July 05, 2006
Teaching 9/11 denial at the UW-Madison.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/07/teaching-911-denial-at-uw-madison.html

A Map to the 9/11 Denial Movement
Tuesday, October 24, 2006
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/10/map-to-911-denial-movement.html

April 9, 2002 8:55 a.m.
9/11 Denial
The French bestseller and its company.
http://old.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp

Feathered Bastard
Moonbattery acid: 9/11-denier Kevin Barrett, the Chandler Conference and the Holocaust
By Stephen Lemons, Tuesday, Feb. 13 2007 @ 11:56AM
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2007/02/moonbattery_acid_911denier_kev.php

“There’s a hilarious debate on Alternet about 9/11 conspiracy theories between Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone journalist and author of The Great Derangement, and David Ray Griffin, an academic and 9/11 denier who has written a book on 9/11 that is sourced entirely from 9/11 truth sites (he quotes Steven Jones several times during the debate). Tellingly, Griffin is not a physicist or an engineer, but a theologian.”
10/08/2008
http://maxdunbar.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/the-911-truth-drinking-game/

The Ultimate 9/11 ‘Truth’ Showdown: David Ray Griffin vs. Matt Taibbi
10/06/2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/100688/the_ultimate_9_11_%27truth%27_showdown%3A_david_ray_griffin_vs._matt_taibbi/

9/11 Denial, Historical Revisionism, and “Loose Change”
05/13/2007
http://husaria.wordpress.com/2007/05/13/911-denial-historical-revisionism-and-loose-change/

Lombeer, 9/11 Denier, wrote for all to see:

“I have to say, though BJ, your use of the word ‘denial’ (so as to equate us with Holocaust denial) is a brilliant trick, so very clever, though I’m such a noob, that perhaps I’ve just never seen it before, Just as I’ve never heard the phrase “911 denial movement.”

9/11 Deniers ALWAYS assume that they are being equated with “Holocaust Deniers” when ever the two words are used together. This speaks to their lack of reading comprehension.

Nowhere did I accuse you of denying the Holocaust.

I specifically said 9/11 Denial “…is no different than any other denial movement…” which includes any and every denial movement.

Denial is denial is denial.

ALL denial movements share the same characteristics, pathology, and methodologies. Most of us who have studied such things as Creationism and Holocaust Denial understand those similarities. In the case of 9/11 Denial, 9/11 Deniers have a pathological aversion to ANY and ALL evidence that is inconvenient to, or contradicts, their desired conclusions. In this case, the conclusion is that “9/11 was an inside job.”

While they pretend that they “are just asking questions.”

The same questions day after day, year after year. It matters not that these so-called questions (which are designed to hide the fact that you all can’t refute the evidence and NEED to shift the burden of proof from your shoulders) have been answered, addressed, shown to be based on factually incorrect claims, and debunked.

Michael Shermer, in “Scientific American” stated some of the common characteristics of deniers:

From the June 2005 Scientific American Magazine
Fahrenheit 2777
“9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories”

By Michael Shermer

“The mistaken belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial thinking (as well as creationism, Holocaust denial and the various crank theories of physics). All the “evidence” for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the rubric of this fallacy. Such notions are easily refuted by noting that scientific theories are not built on single facts alone but on a convergence of evidence assembled from multiple lines of inquiry.”

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fahrenheit-2777

ewingsc, novice 9/11 Denier, wrote:

“Can you tell me why WTC 7 experienced near simultaneous structural failure at all points of its construction?”

Lombeer, novice also, chimed in with:

“yea, BJ I’d love to hear your explanation of building 7, please… enlighten us.”

with ewingsc rejoining the chorus with:

““yea, BJ I’d love to hear your explanation of building 7, please… enlighten us.””

Are we “just asking questions”, gents?

Tell me, WHY would you be ASKING me? YOU are supposed to be telling ME what’s wrong with the collapse of WTC 7, correct? Of course you are!

You see, gents, the 9/11 Denial Movement is the group MAKING all the claims that all these “things” that happened and have been explained CANNOT have happened. Yup, that’s what you all claim, correct?

But when it’s time to put your money where your mouths are, you run and hide behind the “just asking questions” canard. “WE HAVE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS! WE DEMAND A NEW INVESTIGATION!”

No, you don’t, sorry.

You make specific claims you cannot support factually OR with evidence. Zero. None. Nada. But that doesn’t matter to your 9/11 Denial Movement, in the end. No sirree, it matters not at all.

You’ve got your “experts”, like the crank, buffoon, retired “theologian”, David Ray Griffin who states categorically that he “has all the facts.” And you actually believe the poor sucker.

So don’t ask me your so-called “questions.” TELL me the answers – with factual, irrefutable evidence, sound premises, and undeniable conclusions.

After all, the burden of proof is entirely on YOUR shoulders to support your claims.

If you want to see how a 9/11 newbie denier is being schooled on WHY he has to support HIS own claims, join our little tête-à-tête in the comments section of this Russia Today article:

http://rt.com/Politics/2010-03-04/twelve-new-england-towns.html

The comments are printed newest first so you have to start at the bottom of the last comments page and move upward on each page.

Have fun supporting your claims about 9/11, gents!

“Have fun supporting your claims about 9/11, gents!”

Thanks bj !

Now piss off.

Just before you -fuck- -off- …

Can you tell me why WTC 7 experienced near simultaneous structural failure at all points of its construction?

“So don’t ask me your so-called “questions.” TELL me the answers – with factual, irrefutable evidence, sound premises, and undeniable conclusions.

After all, the burden of proof is entirely on YOUR shoulders to support your claims. ”

God, you’re full of shit.

The burden of proof is NOT on my shoulders.

I’m not here to tell you what happened.

How can I tell you what happened when there is not enough information available to know for sure ?

If you want answers – direct them to the U.S. government.

If you want answers – call for a new investigation.

Ok ? Ok.

ewingsc, http://tinyurl.com/yfz3nct, angry newbie, wrote for all to see:

“The burden of proof is NOT on my shoulders.”

Then don’t go whining about “new investigations”, and “Can you tell me why WTC 7 experienced near simultaneous structural failure at all points of its construction”, tosser, if you can’t understand the NIST report.

Nitwit, 9/11 denier. You can’t think for yourself.

“You can’t think for yourself.”

That’s exactly what I can do, you -fuck-

And I don’t need disingenious shits like you eagerly trying to tell me what to think.

I will form my -own- opinions, fuck you very much.

NIST refused to consider the controlled demolition hypothesis, and also changed their minds four times as to the reason why WTC7 collapsed

& you don’t talk about the reason why WTC7 collapsed either.

So FUCK OFF

BJ, to quote your mate lil’ davie frum “You should take stronger medication.”
Your arguments are old, same old ‘911 truth denier’ bs, copy pasted over and over again.
So you don’t have any opinions cos’ all the science is behind you? well all the science you care to believe anyway.
Anything you don’t agree with is discounted, as you claim about us.
I’m not part of any movement, I don’t have an agenda.
But I don’t believe you BJ, I don’t believe your puppet government (whichever pretend political party is in power) I DON’T believe that holographic planes hit the WTC buildings.
I don’t believe a hijacked airliner hit the Pentagon and I don’t believe that WTC7 fell down due to damage from the twin towers collapse.

So BJ reading your ‘blog’ (very hip of you, I hear all the kids are doing it) I can see your angle, seen in before but that cool.
I know people like you and Claire’s Shadow (you guys should ‘hook up’ you have soooooo much in common) thrive on us commenting back and then you come back with demeaning comments about our brain size etc and us getting angry yadda yadda yadda then you accusing us of being angry ‘nut jobs’ so lets not go down that road eh?

We are into dissenting opinions around here, that’s the idea, we like floating ideas and opinions that are not yet common then you come in here and tell us we are not allowed to have our ideas, opinions and theories. Nope.

So its neat that you (mistakenly) think you are being patriotic (you are not btw) by supporting your government regardless of facts and I realise you are most likely trying to drive people to your bitter little ‘blog’ (100% 911 conspiracy free, except for the official conspiracy theory) but if you are wanting to play these tired old games here its most unlikely people on this site will engage you.

I don’t know what happened on 911 and I don’t know who is responsible I see who has gained from this and I see who have suffered by this pathetic ‘war on terror’.
So I’m not buying your rhetoric, you have some new moves for an old man but you are playing a losing game and deep down inside you know that some of what we say is true.

Oh but I do think there should be a new investigation of 911, as the first one was a total laugh.

That’s the last you will be hearing from me as I know there is no point engaging with you as I’m not going to convince you of anything and you are not going to win me over.

ewingsc, caught in his own contradictions, wrote:

“I will form my -own- opinions, fuck you very much.”

Duh. You’re stuck in your own ignorance. Why do you think I’m educating you on reality.

“NIST refused to consider the controlled demolition hypothesis,…”

FALSE. As we all know, NO one has produced a stitch of evidence for “controlled demolition” of ANY of the buildings. You DENY the evidence that refutes that silly hypothesis and you will continue to do so. We see right through you.

“…and also changed their minds four times as to the reason why WTC7 collapsed.

Patently FALSE. The investigation evolved over time as hypotheses were tested and rejected. You just repeat the same nonsense that has been debunked for years.

“…you don’t talk about the reason why WTC7 collapsed either.”

The reason it collapsed is outlined clearly in the NIST report. You can’t refute it. NO one can. NO one can demonstrate “controlled demolition” yet you are a “true believer.”

So much for “thinking for yourself.” You don’t know how to think

Lombeer, contradicting himself, wrote for all to see:

“Your arguments are old, same old ‘911 truth denier’ bs, copy pasted over and over again.”

So much for your claim that “I’ve never heard the phrase “911 denial movement””

Need some help taking that jackboot out of your mouth?

“So you don’t have any opinions cos’ all the science is behind you? well all the science you care to believe anyway.”

I have plenty of opinions and lots of facts that you and your 9/11 Denier buddies can’t refute. We’re still waiting after 8 1/2 years of your bullshit and desperate efforts to shift the burden of proof from your shoulders.

“But I don’t believe you BJ, I don’t believe your puppet government.”

You don’t have to believe me or anyone else. You just have to learn to distinguish between reality and fantasies.

“I don’t believe a hijacked airliner hit the Pentagon and I don’t believe that WTC7 fell down due to damage from the twin towers collapse.”

Which means you are a 9/11 Denier who refuses to evaluate evidence and just believe what has been refuted. Nothing new there. You are just under the self-delusion that what you have been told by 9/11 Deniers is valid.

“Then you accusing us of being angry ‘nut jobs’ so lets not go down that road eh?”

I’m just informing you that you don’t know what you don’t know. The rational world treats you with the derision you have earned, and we make fun of your self-delusions and idiocy, hence my blog.

We do the same with Creationists and Holocaust Deniers.

“…we like floating ideas and opinions that are not yet common then you come in here and tell us we are not allowed to have our ideas, opinions and theories. Nope.”

Your self-delusion that you are “floating ideas and opinions that are not yet common” is hilarious. You’ve all been expressing the very same trash for 8 1/2 years and you are upset that no one thinks you have any legitimacy whatsoever. You are being ignored for rational reasons – you’re nuts.

“So its neat that you (mistakenly) think you are being patriotic (you are not btw) by supporting your government regardless of facts.”

That’s another hilarious piece of self-delusion. You easily fell for the canard that it has anything to do with the “government.” You are too clueless to understand that the “government” NEVER was the origin for, nor ever had the control of, the massive evidence from hundreds of independent sources and thousands of independent witnesses that converges on the conclusion of what we actually know (and YOU deny) about 9/11. It has nothing to do with whether someone supports government policies or not. We all know how bloody foolish, stupid, and incompetent Bush was. We also know that what you 9/11 deniers claims is irrational, illogical, and unsupportable FACTUALLY.

But you nutters start with a core belief that it’s you versus the “government” some mystical “official story.”

“…you are playing a losing game and deep down inside you know that some of what we say is true.”

I know factually that in 8 1/2 years 9/11 Deniers like you have brought nothing to the table and have been easily refuted. That you are blinded by your own ignorance and prejudice to reality is what you don’t yet realize.

How much longer shall we wait before you bring a stitch of evidence to the table? How many times will you be completely taken in by proven lies of groups like ae911truth.org whose video above we all know is total propaganda?

“I’m not going to convince you of anything and you are not going to win me over.”

I knew that years ago. I’m hear to remind you that you are going nowhere with your nonsense and will end up in the trash bin of history. It’s totally up to you to finally put up or shut up.

Hope you’re getting paid, you prick.

Because you are wasting your time here

“Skeptic Michael Shermer says 911 could be an inside job!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dz4GQJvHYI

(And then gives a bunch of astoundingly stupid reasons why, in his ignorant opinion, it probably wasn’t.)

Fuck you bj.

BJ… Yawn.
Its the same old scripts, recycled over and over again.
Thrashing around like a dying shark, Sad old BJ.

I just re-read his driviling -shit- above and he’s not actually saying anything.

Paid lying -fucks- like him are almost -medically- interesting.

No qualms whatsoever about selling out his own species.

Utterly disgusting.

If that soulless white-noise maggot thinks that he can convince me that this is not a controlled demolition :

http://uncensored.co.nz/2009/09/03/world-trade-centre-7-collapse-video-gallery/

… then he can guess again.

Poor ewingsc, ever determined to show how stupid and gullible a “true believer” is, whined as his fantasies are crushed to dust in a controlled demolition,

“…thinks that he can convince me that this is not a controlled demolition.”

Of course one cannot convince a 9/11 Denier of anything he doesn’t want to believe. You even BELIEVE 13+ seconds is the “free fall speed” of WTC 7’s collapse! LOL!

Amazing.

That’s why you are, IN FACT, a 9/11 Denier, ewingsc.

For the rest who actually may WANT to think for themselves, we have facts, evidence, truth, and reality. For instance:

“Nutty 9-11 Physics”
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911nutphysics.htm

“Links for 9/11 Research”
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home

For starters.

It’s always fun to kick 9/11 Deniers’s butts like those of ewingsc and his sidekick, Lombeer.

You’re.

A.

Dick.

You are easily debunked, ewingsc. Now all you have to do is admit it.

Like your work, bj ?

Is Cass Sunstein there with you ?

Can you ask him for a favor?

Could you please ask him to chug a -big- bottle of pills and then stumble ’round in some subway tunnels ?

Thanks.

… and would you mind going with him ?

Poor, ewingsc, crushed by the truth and reality that his own 911 “Truth” Movement has blinkered him with irrational nonsense for 8 1/2 years is reduced to mumbling incoherently.

I feel for you, good buddy.

Maybe when you crawl out oif your hole, you can address this question for your fellow 9/11 Deniers:

“What has the truth movement actually gotten right?”

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=168738

Good luck, bubba ewingsc.

Y’ know I think it’s just fantastic that ae911truth

(you know – the 1,000-plus architects and engineers that think you are full of shit – you know – the folks that you are working so so very hard to discredit)

and news organisations like RT

… have got you evil lying damage-control -shits- hopping about like bugs on a bar-be-que.

Your goose is -cooked-

FUCK you, bj.

Sampled from your drivel shite above :

“You claim never to heard of the proper name for your group of deniers. Back in 2002, when it became evident on Usenet that there was a new crop of conspiracists determined to re-write history, overturn known evidence about 9/11, make up fantasies about explosives bringing down the towers, holograms hitting the towers, not planes, no Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon, you know, all that silliness, it became evident that no amount of reason, logic, science, evidence, or critical thinking could reach this funny group of people who misnamed themselves “9/11 Truthers.”

That’s when we stepped in to correct the record.”

… who’s ‘-we-’ bj?

… who’s ‘-we-’ bj?

We rational, skeptical people, ewingsc.

DO catch up:

“On the Truth Movement and Irreducible Delusion.”

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=118389

Christ, are you trying to bullshit people to death with text?

Great .gifs of clapping hands.
(It was like watching congress on C-SPAN – as i scrolled down)

You asked:

“What has the truth movement actually gotten right?”

How ’bout no dead bodies in Pennsylvania?

How ’bout the presence of advanced explosives technology in that Manhattan dust?

How ’bout the inexplicable size of the too small hole in the side of the pentagon?

How ’bout -this- ? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

Oh, and please start answering my many many questions or I will be forced to start ignoring you.

ewingsc, giving his game away, wrote for all to see:

“Christ, are you trying to bullshit people to death with text?”

Text is how evidence is presented, evidence which, of course, you must DENY lest it upset your fantasies about 9/11.

Of course, we know you are wrong, ewingsc, on all counts. Not ONE of you 9/11 Deniers have EVER been able to produce a scrap of evidence that passes the least bit scrutiny on ANY of those claims you just made.

Just like you REFUSE to do so now.

“Oh, and please start answering my many many questions or I will be forced to start ignoring you.”

LOL.

You KNOW the burden of proof is entirely on YOUR shoulders to do so, so don’t run away from your responsibility yet again, sissy puss, ewingsc. You have to refute the entire body of evidence of what we know happened on 9/11 and you deniers haven’t even got one piece of evidence to show for your 8 1/2 years of yelling, “9/11 was an Inside Job!”

Look what happened to Matt when he tried your transparent gambit:

“Twelve New England towns demand 9/11 reinvestigation.”

http://rt.com/Politics/2010-03-04/twelve-new-england-towns.html

Now, either PUT up or SHUT up, ewingsc.

“Now, either PUT up or SHUT up, ewingsc.”

No.

You asked:

“What has the truth movement actually gotten right?”

How ’bout no dead bodies in Pennsylvania?

How ’bout the presence of advanced explosives technology in that Manhattan dust?

How ’bout the inexplicable size of the too small hole in the side of the pentagon?

How ’bout -this- ? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

Put your piggy little dark Mako eyes on the -videolink- on the line above and then click on it and then watch it and then

Tell.

Me.

What.

You.

Think.

Of.

The.

Fucking.

Clip.

(instead of just telling me what you think of me)

… who’s ‘-we-’ bj?

“We rational, skeptical people, ewingsc.”

Got a name for yourselves, have you?

All -each- of you monolithicly in agreement over the various events of that day are you?

… who’s ‘-we-’ bj?

My questions again bj, you sorry -shit-

Are you working for and getting paid ‘overtime rates’ right now, bj ?

Why don’t you want people to make up their own mind, bj ?

I mean – what have you got to lose, bj ?

… who’s ‘-we-’ bj?

What do you think of this clip, bj?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

Why is there no evidence of dead bodies in Pennsylvania, bj ?

Why is there no clear video footage of a 757 hitting the pentagon, bj ?

Why’s that little hole in the side of the pentagon too small for a 757, bj ?

Are you a soulless lying -fuck- with no hope of redemption that just wants to get ahead, bj ?

Can you answer a simple, single, solo -fucking- question, bj ?

Or are you some paid money grubbing -fuck- that has no issue with selling out their own species ?

and finally … Do you work for Cas Sunstein ?

… & is he there with you ?

… … & can you ask him for a favor ?

BJ you pathetic coward, stop hiding behind “mainstream science” and social proof. Put up or shut up yourself! You never answered my question about water fluoridation you domesticated drone. Also maybe you could explain why prominent health indicators such as sperm counts, fertility, and IQ have dropped so markedly over the last 3 decades alone?

As for the put options placed:

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

Also do some research on Edward Bernays, government isn’t as stupid or inept as foolls like you want to imagine. It is you who is the inadequate fool

Can you please ask cas sunstein to smear his own body with manuka honey & then fly himself by blackhawk chopper to Victoria on Vancouver Island – so that he might then release himself into the wild to then be chased down horribly by Kodiak Bears ?

Thanks.

Because if he does …

… then human beings everywhere
will wake up tomorrow …

– and they will look around them and on some inner level all feel as if … …

… yes, as if The-World-Is-A-Slightly-Better-Place and … smiling slightly at each other … they won’t quite realise why.

And they will go about their business.

You utterly despicable little -Fuck-

What are you working so hard here towards, bro ?

bj – what you’ll no doubt notice about my last two posts above
– with the help of your own yale / harvard / oxford inspired & induced haze -

…is that it took me approximately 23 minutes to stop hating you so much

Now.

Who are you ?

& What do you want ?

…& why do you want it ?

What are you here to want me to think – and why ?

My guess is that you’re -shit- scared about something you’d rather keep hidden.

Tell me I’m wrong.

So far you and your fellow 9/11 Deniers have been completely wrong on everything. And you can’t produce any evidence for your claims?

The only question on the table is why you are SO gullible and stupid to believe everything you are told.

Indeed, why are you so gullible, ewingsc?

You haven’t heard a word I’ve said, have you.

Let’s start with this one :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

Look like an exploding skyscraper much, bj ?

Look like an exploding skyscraper much, bj ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

Because it sure as -shit- looks like an exploding skyscraper to me, bj

Good luck with your new life.

You Arse.

Here it is again – in case you missed it, you sad piece of shit, bj

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

If you wanted to,
like,
die in your sleep tonight,
or something …

then I’m just letting you know that that would be like …

… overwhelmingly …

… like …

OKAY

with the rest of us …

You won’t be missed, ok ?

So you fell for the “exploding skyscraper” canard, ewingsc?

I’ll have fun watching you squirm try to prove that one!

And where is the evidence for your other claims, bubba? Shall we wait another 8 1/2 years fir you to demonstrate there were no body parts found from flight 93?

See ewingsc run!

“So you fell for the “exploding skyscraper” canard, ewingsc?”

… maybe I did …

Do you mean the “exploding skyscraper” from the top-down canard

-as seen here-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

or do you mean the “exploding skyscraper” from the bottom-up canard?

-as seen here- ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

can you even answer a simple -fucking- question, bj ?

My guess is that you CAN’T

… because you are an aimless soulless pointless purposeless piece of shit that can only do what other people tell you to do.

You can only read off scripts that other people give you to read.

-FUCK- you -bj-

… kay ?

Do you mean the “exploding skyscraper” from the top-down canard

or do you mean the “exploding skyscraper” from the bottom-up canard?

Mind being a bit more -fucking- specific ?

You soulless fucking ‘Paid-for’ -Prick- ?

You brainless piece of shit lying -fuck-

Once again – my questions bj, you evil little -sack-

Are you working for and getting paid ‘overtime rates’ right now, bj ?

Why don’t you want people to make up their own mind, bj ?

I mean – what have you got to lose, bj ?

… who’s ‘-we-’ bj?

What do you think of this clip, bj?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

Why is there no evidence of dead bodies in Pennsylvania, bj ?

Why is there no clear video footage of a 757 hitting the pentagon, bj ?

Why’s that little hole in the side of the pentagon too small for a 757, bj ?

Are you a soulless lying -fuck- with no hope of redemption that just wants to get ahead, bj ?

Can you answer a simple, single, solo -fucking- question, bj ?

Or are you some paid money grubbing -fuck- that has no issue with selling out their own species ?

ANSWER OR FUCK OFF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

Put your piggy little dark dumb-fuck Mako eyes on the -videolink- on the line above and then click on it and then watch it and then

Tell.

Me.

What.

You.

Think.

Of.

The.

Fucking.

Clip.

Look like a controlled demo much then does it ?

(why don’t you turn from your keyboard and ask your -boss- for your opinion, you desiccated old fuck ?)

BJ you Royal Arch Retard
Let me make it real simple for you and your police state enforcer handlers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R50neAo901w&feature=sub

Listen and feel free to try debunk.
Don’t keep running away from me coward

OI !

BJ !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

Put your piggy little dark dumb-fuck Mako eyes on the -videolink- on the line above and then click on it and then watch it and then

Tell.

Me.

What.

You.

Think.

Of.

The.

Fucking.

Clip.

You oily -FUCKING- lizard of a man.

This piece of shit can only

lie

or

misdirect.

-FUCK- him.

ewingsc, wrote:

““So you fell for the “exploding skyscraper” canard, ewingsc?”

“… maybe I did …”

Yup, you SURE did. And you believe ae911truth whom I already showed DELIBERATELY LIED to you.

What we know, ewingsc, is that you have no ability to demonstrate any “demolition” of any sort and you cannot demonstrate that the collapses as we see them in the video are anything unusual.

You can only CLAIM explosives without a stitch of evidence.

Which means, as you well know, that you are still up a creek, ewingsc.

ewingsc, even MORE desperate to shift the burden of proof from his shoulders, whined again:

“Why is there no evidence of dead bodies in Pennsylvania, bj ?”

That’s YOUR claim, ewingsc. PROVE IT.

“Why is there no clear video footage of a 757 hitting the pentagon, bj ?”

For the same reason there is no footage of the Titanic sinking. And we didn’t NEED any footage to know that the Titanic sank, and why.

Neither do we need any videos of AA77 hitting the Pentagon to KNOW by all of the evidence from every source and every eyewitness that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

And you bumbling idiots STILL can’t provide any positive evidence that AA77 “flew over and away from the Pentagon” as you all claim.

“Why’s that little hole in the side of the pentagon too small for a 757, bj ?”

That’s YOUR claim, ewingsc. PROVE IT.

What’s the matter, ewingsc, can’t prove your own claims?

Of course you can’t. You just BELIEVE every irrational claim your 9/11 Denial Movement feeds you.

nz_truth, coward, wrote:

“Listen and feel free to try debunk.
Don’t keep running away from me coward.”

You’re running away from me, nz_truth. You HAVE to.

The NWO is coming after you in Black Helicopters with AK47 vaccine guns, didn’t you know?:

“More doctors prefer the AK-Vaccine-47 rifle”

http://www.naturalnews.com/028211_vaccines_Merck.html

And just a reminder to all those here:

You now KNOW that ae91truth.org lied to you in the video at the top of this page.

Which of you still deny that, other than ewingsc and Lombeer the Novice?

Damage control, damage control, so massively threatened by ae911.
How is your DIY-PSY-OP going BJ? shouldn’t you be fighting the bushfires on the home front? instead of hanging out in little old NZ?

BJ’s getting paid and he’s got nothing to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVpEMbA_EJY

He’s here to cover someones ass.

And he’s desperate to do so:

“And just a reminder to all those here:

You now KNOW that ae91truth.org lied to you in the video at the top of this page.”

He should have been more convincing.

Fuck him.

The blind, deluded or complicit always shot the messenger.

The complicit have their marching orders

[ like bj here ]

and the blind won’t examine the evidence.

You can start with three bldgs collapsing and two planes
(simple math).

The truth will win out.

You can’t fix stupid.

Lombeer and ewingsc are muttering helplessly in the face of the fact that their 9/11 fantasies have been crushed.

Note how they are left without providing a stitch of evidence for their claims.

“9/11 Truth is a bald regurgitation of a silly tale we heard ten years ago.”

MATT TAIBBI Posted Oct 24, 2006 1:17 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12131349/911_truth_bald_regurgitation_of_another_bombing_conspiracy

… just quoting dipshit again :

“And just a reminder to all those here:

You now KNOW that ae91truth.org lied to you in the video at the top of this page.

Which of you still deny that, other than ewingsc and Lombeer the Novice?”

Translation : WHICH OF YOU HERE STILL DOESN’T THINK WHAT I WANT THEM TO ?

Uncensored doesn’t work that way, douche.

Despite your blah, bully-boy spam about nothing.

You have the moral certainty of an angry toddler.

And FUCK you for trying it on.

You DO know that 3,000 Americans were murdered, don’t you.

ae911 has you shitting in your pants

– and now you’re here desperately trying to tell people what to think.

Sorry,

but I’m not buying it.

FUCK you -bj-

What do you think, bj ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqhMjsuuKk

Inside job, or not?

Looks damn conclusive to me …

Fucker.

People can know all by themselves that ae911truth.org lied to them no matter how much YOU deny it, ewingsc.

They also can see with their own eyes that you still refuse to support any and all of your claims while you try to shift the burden of proof from YOUR shoulders.

People are not as dumb as you pathetic little 9/11 Deniers want them to be.

Now go wash your mouth out with soap, ewingsc.

Sill won’t anwer me rationally BJ. Coward fuck dead man, I invite you, any sceptics and all your retard friends to meet in Auckland, lets have a live filmed debate. Lets have the media attend. Let’s have you scum come out in the open for all to see, how ’bout it BJ, oh and by the way I will be ready for any monkey business or underhand tactics

Sorry bj, you sellout -cock-

Forgive me if I don’t believe a damn word you say.

I can’t believe you actually tried to tie the sinking of the -Titanic-

to a lack of video images of a jumbo jet hitting the pentagon.

You -suck-

To quote your sorry ass again, -bj- :

“Duh. You’re stuck in your own ignorance.
Why do you think I’m educating you on reality.”

… yeah, why -are- you educating me on reality?
Reality from -your- perspective ?

Because you are working mighty hard at it -bj-

Who pays your -fucking- bills
– and why would you be happier us thinking about this 911 day – one way or the other?

Because what you are doing here just looks kind of …

… I don’t know … … … suspect ..?

ewingsc, now fully off the deep end, wrote for all to see:

“I can’t believe you actually tried to tie the sinking of the -Titanic- to a lack of video images of a jumbo jet hitting the pentagon.”

That’s because you’re a first-class idiot, ewingsc, you know, this kind:

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/head_up_ass.jpg

It’s not hard for ANYONE to understand that we never HAD video or films or photos of the Titanic sinking. Yet we know it sank and we know why.

But 9/11 Deniers like you think because there are no videos or films or pictures of AA77 hitting the Pentagon, then we have NO evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Now, ewingsc, how STUPID is that?

Yet you whine in front of everyone that if there are no videos or film or pictures of the Pentagon attack, then we CANNOT know that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Even I cannot believe you would be THAT stupid, ewingsc, but then one can NEVER underestimate the intelligence of a 9/11 “Truther.”

You -do- know that lies -are- amplified by their blatant concealment, right ?

You do know no one can lie about evidence in plain site, don’t you?

No, that’s away above your intellectual capacity.

“But 9/11 Deniers like you think because there are no videos or films or pictures of AA77 hitting the Pentagon, then we have NO evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Now, ewingsc, how STUPID is that?”

( … seems reasonable to me … )

And stop calling me a ‘denier’.

That’s a definition -you- made up
– and you are working -very- hard here in a misguided attempt to reframe this whole 911 debate.

For some reason.

You -suck-

Of course you would think anything as stupid as you believe is reasonable: you’re completely nuts, little 9/11 Denier.

I look forward to the day when you are on your knees apologizing to the families of the victims of 9/11.

“Psychologists To Study Growing Apantophobia Within 9/11 Truth Movement.”

(BNN)

http://tinyurl.com/23apz2

Stop calling me a ‘denier’.

That’s a definition -you- made up

“I can waste your entire day ignoring your evidence”

Why are you here to ignore evidence ?

ewingsc, you KNOW you are a 9/11 Denier, and you are proud to be one.

Just look how you continually post 9/11 Denial Movement videos.

Stop calling me a ‘denier’.

That’s a definition -you- made up

“I can waste your entire day ignoring your evidence”

Why are you here to ignore evidence ?

Watcha gonna buy withhhhhhh the paycheck, bj ?

Why are you here to ignore evidence ?

“Stop calling me a ‘denier’.

That’s a definition -you- made up”

Na its a definition he appropriated,
we have been calling ostriches like BJ 911 truth deniers for years all he has done is drop the ‘truth’ and casually mention the holocaust in his opening statement so as to draw the association with holocaust denial and thus nazis.
He is here to throw lots of mud and hope some of it sticks.

He has NOTHING, so he accuses us of having nothing.
He is insecure, so he accuses us of insecurity.
He is wrong in the brain tank so he accuses us of being insane.

Again, BJ Edwards is NOT Gary, Gary fixes computers in chch and has delusions of grandeur.
This gimp lives in the US and was so damaged by the events of 911 and the psychological button it WAS MEANT TO PRESS that he will devote his life to beating down anyone who smudges his illusions and delusions.

He only skims our posts

Any evidence we choose to post will be ignored

Just search BJ Edwards, he is all over the net
posting the same words in the same sentences, the same buzz words and phrases.

A classic example (which I have already posted twice)

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/keith-olbermann-blames-bush-cheney-911-attacks/

look at the comments from 3 weeks ago.

He is an automaton.
He has nothing.

… http://rawstory.com/2010/02/keith-olbermann-blames-bush-cheney-911-attacks/

three weeks ago, choose most recent from the comments drop down.

where BJ Edwards gets his ass handed to him my mike and BONEMAN

bam!

“he is all over the net
posting the same words in the same sentences, the same buzz words and phrases.”

Why are you here to ignore evidence bj ?

“where BJ Edwards gets his ass handed to him my mike and BONEMAN.”

Is that why those nazis ran away, Lombeer? Just like you 9/11 Deniers have been doing?

Do you want some help removing that jackboot from your mouth?

“Do you want some help removing that jackboot from your mouth?”

yea, you are running out of material BJ “damage control” Edwards.

you have used that one on me before BJ, I didn’t work then, its still not working now.

But please carry on you low level psychopath drone.

its most likely they just got bored talking to you.
Which is understandable… you are quite boring.

Yes he is quite boring.

More so – now that he is repeating himself.

Did you say, “repeating yourself”, ewingsc?

The irony it burns.

Those who read these comments note how easy it is for me to prove my case that you 9/11 Deniers are incapable of backing up your claims about 9/11. You’ve presented Zero, Zilch, Nada.

You love the only attention you’ve ever had – from me but you would do better joining your fellow 9/11 Deniers on forums like Loose Change fourum, Citizens Investigation Team forum (The Pentacon), and Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum. Oh yes, Abovetopsecret.com is Uncensored’s big daddy.

You won’t feel so lonely.

BJ you are the only lonely one here buddy, now that the other retard Gary has gone back to the ward.

You haven’t answered any of my questions, you run and obsfucate like the soft coward shit you are, any time you are pinned.

All your talk about Nazi’s yet you don’t even realise that in the larger scheme you are on the Nazi’s side.
Ever heard of Harriman banking
Prescott Bush
GM, Ford and GE producing parts for the Nazis?

Oh how about Nazi water fluoridation?
Propaganda papers adopted by our
governments

Have you even studied the principle philosophies of the Nazis, such as Thule and Vril and their connection to Anglo-American organisations

What about the CIA being formed with Nazis from the OSS

Or NASA being founded with Nazi scientists given immunity under operation paperclip

You have no idea BJ you little faggot fuck! You come to my end of town, you’d better bring an assult rifle and body armour

nz_truth, another victim of his own ignorance, prejudice, and stupidity, ever eager to confirm my points, illustrated that he STILL refuses to bring any evidence to the table supporting ANY of his claims about 9/11.

That is just ONE of the reasons you are a most obvious 9/11 Denier.

Just look at yourself, nz_truth:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t65/bjebje/ChimpEvil.jpg

Slink back into your crevice, troll,

where you and Gary can watch the video together.

http://www.911revisited.com/video.html

Nice find, SO.

Have posted it.

Soulless lying sellout -fucks- like bj have nothing to say in the face of this …

Soulless lying sellout -fucks- like bj really need to rethink their life.

Sorry, I am into educating you 9/11 Deniers about truth, reason, and intellectual honesty, those very qualities about us that repel you so much.

The truth is painful for you but we can help you out of your present difficulties. Here’s your lesson for today:

“Denial networks: on crisis and continuity in the 9/11 truth movement”

http://libcom.org/library/denial-networks-crisis-continuity-911-truth-movement

wow BJ ‘damage control’ Edwards, It almost like you are talking to yourself… Oh perhaps THATS what you mean by “We”! I see.
Tell us about your childhood BJ.

Lombeer, tell us why you hate truth, reason, and intellectual honesty.

BJ again refer to my previous post.
How is the damage control op working?
Is enough mud sticking?

You have nothing, your tool set needs upgrading.

There is plenty of great links on this whole site.
Plenty of food for though for those that think.

This old spam troll wants to railroad the thinking.
He is here to put people off pursuing information.
But his main job is to put us off commenting.
But he is a paper tiger.

Not doing a very good job. BJ

“Lombeer, tell us why you hate truth, reason, and intellectual honesty.”

He doesn’t.

You do.

And other people can tell that from reading your comments and replies.

Do tell us ’bout your childhood.

My guess is that you got smacked about a lot.

True?

“This old spam troll wants to railroad the thinking.

He is here to put people off pursuing information.

But his main job is to put us off commenting.”

Good luck with that shit, bj.

Let’s continue with our little talk, shall we ?

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/03/20/911-the-us-military-knows-israel-did-it-the-ugly-truth-podcast/

BJ you redcoat nwo fuck, is a little picture of your ancestor all you’ve got in reply to a barrage of facts?

What a soft fool. Debate me point by point on my previous post, thats a fucking order. Or I will out you as I outed Gary, gloves are off! Retards like you run around with your meaningless lives and hollow wives, voting once every 4 years thinking you are making a valid choice. Atleast you zombies denialist are getting poisoned daily, too fucking arrogant to realise you are being duped. So arrogant that fake intellects like yourself take issue with aware and concerned citizens, hoping to drag us in to your merry little slaughter pits.

I’m done with you scum, OK BJ? I’m not gonna live in your fake little utopian world. There is a New World Oder, soon they won’t need you and you are fucking dead! Don’t say you weren’t warned

I’m done with you scum, OK BJ?

your own

-brand-

of scum

& I AM -SO-

-FUCKING

-DONE-

with you

-bj-

________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Thank you for posting the link ewingsc
________________________________________________________________________________________________________

[] http://www.puppetgov.com/ ][ council on foreign relations ][ trilateral commission ][ freemasons ][ Troll in the Headlights []

bjedwards, “tell us why you hate truth, [alternative websites], reason, and intellectual honesty.”

Since *we* already know, here’s a more pertinent question for you.

Most robots that post in the manner you do, profit from perpetual war and the pharmaceutical drug industry.

To nail it right down, troll edwards, *we* are specifically interested in whether you profit (or intend to profit soon) from the pharmaceutical industry and the sale of their drugs?

Full disclosure, troll edwards, or the question will be answered for you.

-

What a group of such happy children you all are.

“Inside 9/11: Zero Hour”

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=M-B6c6xxXug

The Military Knows Israel did 911 Pt1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsdNl_13q4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGYNg6abWIc

As your master, I know better.

Hi bj.

Kill yourself.

Thanks.

To a NZ Herald writer who said US-Waihopai-spy protestors were ‘loony’.

Sir, you and your editorial board should be made to pick your way through the remains of a terror raid by America or Israel who have used lunatic mad drones on civilians.

General Eisenhower ordered such tours on Germans who lived near Nazi concentration camps and proclaimed no knowledge of the horror within them.

He also warned bleakly of the future horror of the American military-industrial complex let loose on the world.

Your essay, March 20 2010,is just awful. Shallow and nasty like a mother’s boy pouting over a housekeeping infraction. Toughen up! Stop being loony collaborator. Resign!

I do not subscribe to “the war on terror” unless it is to war on that demonic evil sick immoral war that America now wages.You should look up “The Pink Swastika” a book on nazis which explains why they could be so callously mad and sadistically cruel.

The “Prussians of the South Pacific” my country men alarm me now -loony letters- fruity almost gay bleatings.. eg the 3 prisoners had ‘poor dress sense’ and many concerns about plastic being hurt. Gay violent junk food media is turning kiwi men into squeally girly nazi drips and lunatic dangerous.

BJEdwards’ | Gary’s | mindset exposed here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn5vSoxRAyg

You didn’t answer the question you skulking tool:

-

Do you profit (or intend to profit soon) from the pharmaceutical industry and the sale of their drugs?

-

Continue on, you pathetic stooge, and the spotlight will be turned on your traitorous carcass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzRczostBE

Lying internationalist scum that you are.

-

You forgot to take your paranoia medicine again, Lombeer. Wingnut Mike Adams at naturalnews.com will be happy to sell you some “natural, homeopathic” remedy at VERY good prices.

I am sure you would like to financially support Mike Adams/

Re: > 6:15 am

No rabbit trail from you to the pharmaceutical companies?

The “other” troll bailed

when his cover was blown.

Or did he?

Could it be that when this “new” troll realized that his camouflage was evaporating he bailed as well;

and, what we now have is the old troll passing himself off as the “new” troll?

Laying the “new” troll’s head on the chopping block by continuing the game?

After all, Gary Rees, you’ve already been exposed.

What do you care if the “new” troll’s connection to the drug companies is made public?

Along with his full name.

No honor among trolls?

It’s quite possible that “bjedwards” has never posted here.

Isn’t it Gary.

___

Keep drinking your aspartame and fluoride, tool
http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=2373166&song=Betty+Martini+Interview

Hey, M C C, a new Denier, has arrived, all decked out in Paranoia.

Welcome to the Black Hole Of Woo, M C C.

> 10:39 am, YOU are the only “Denier” here.

This is an alternative website, in case you haven’t noticed clown.

YOU deny the truth about pharmaceutical drugs, aspartame, vaccines… most everything published here, including 9/11.

Watch the video http://www.911revisited.com/video.html

Answer the question:

Do you profit (or intend to profit soon) from the pharmaceutical industry and the sale of their drugs?

You are the “Denier”, tool, and everyone here knows that

including you.

You really are a sick, paranoid cookie, MCC. Here’s what we know about Deniers like you:

Denialism – the real issue with 9/11 Deniers and Uncensored.com:

“It has been proposed that the various forms of denialism have the common feature of the rejection of overwhelming evidence and the generation of a controversy through attempts to deny that a consensus exists.[4] The terms Holocaust denialism and AIDS denialism have been used,[5][6][7][8][9] and the term climate change denialists has been applied to those who refuse to accept that climate change is occurring.[10][11][12][13] Several motivations for denial have been proposed, including religious beliefs and self-interest, or simply as a psychological defense mechanism against disturbing ideas.[14][15]”

…

“Mark Hoofnagle has described denialism as “the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none.”[4] and is a process that operates by employing one or more of the following five tactics in order to maintain the appearance of legitimate controversy:[20]

1. Conspiracy theories – Suggesting opponents have an ulterior motive for their position or are part of a conspiracy.
2. Cherry picking – Selecting an anomalous critical paper supporting their idea, or using outdated, flawed, and discredited papers in order to make their opponents look like they base their ideas on weak research.
3. False experts – Paying an expert in the field, or another field, to lend supporting evidence or credibility.
4. Moving the goalpost – Dismissing evidence presented in response to a specific claim by continually demanding some other (often greater) piece of evidence. In other words, after an attempt has been made to score a goal, the goalposts are moved to exclude the attempt. Thus denialists use the absence of complete and absolute knowledge to prevent the implementation of sound policies, or the acceptance of an idea or theory.
5. Other logical fallacies – Usually one or more of false analogy, appeal to consequences, straw man, or red herring.

Tara Smilth of the University of Iowa also stated that moving goalposts, conspiracy theories and cherry-picking evidence are general characteristics of denialist arguments, but went on to note that these groups spend “majority of their efforts critiquing the mainstream theory” in an apparent belief that if they manage to discredit the mainstream view, their own “unproven ideas will fill the void”.[21]”

MCC, you and your sidekicks here really CAN get help for your problem of continued denial.

I see major fires right here:
http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/WTC1BowingNIST.jpg
The 9/11 “truth movement” won’t show you photos of the south side of WTC 1, where the fires were the most severe, but honest people will.

You are not honest.

You are a spambot accessory to mass murder supremist with blood on your hands.

far out edwards, I think its you who lives in a fantasy world bro.

Oh hi Lom,

Seen this ?

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/07/9-11-science-vs-conspiracy-theories/

Seen this?

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_12_2007.htm

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Ohhhh – NIST links

How compelling …

Steven Jones & Kevin Ryan Debunk The NIST Report

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/07/steven-jones-kevin-ryan-debunk-the-nist-report/

These guys are a lot more convincing than you are, putz

I’m convinced that both of them are liars, ew. Ryan lied about the collapse time for WTC 7 and lied about what Silverstein said. Jones used a photo of a tower column that had been cut with an acetylene torch as evidence of nanothermite. Page 32 at this link:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

You really love liars, don’t you?

No more questions from you, alblury

(not much of a listener are you)

“I’m convinced that both of them are liars, ew. Ryan lied about the collapse time for WTC 7 and lied about what Silverstein said. ”

Well that’s just an opinion that you have there, albury.

My opinion is different from yours :

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/07/9-11-science-vs-conspiracy-theories/

And why do you need to promote and repeat your ‘opinion’

-ad nauseaum-

here on Uncensored so relentlessly ?

Why do my questions scare you so much, ew? It’s not my opinion that Ryan, Jones, and Box Boy are all liars; it’s a fact, and I’ve proven it.

“it’s a fact, and I’ve proven it.”

HA HA HA

You haven’t proven anything, alblury.

“Why do my questions scare you so much”

Again – you’re a poor listener, albury

(and your posts have this sad desperate air about them, too)

Your questions don’t scare me, alblury.

And I think you are full of shit.

I think NIST is full of shit.

And here’s but a few of the many

-many-

reasons why.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/07/9-11-science-vs-conspiracy-theories/

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/07/steven-jones-kevin-ryan-debunk-the-ni

If you can’t handle me having opinions of my own

- then we probably don’t have much more to say to each other.

You are a repulsive individual, albury.

Enjoy the site.

why do ewings posts scare you so much?
he is just posting info he finds interesting.
But you, allberry are different, you are here, day after day, week after week amongst people who don’t really like you.
Standing in the middle of the room shouting like an enraged child.
You and your new best friend BJ.
You don’t scare us you sad trolls, but something about this system of information distribution SCARES the living daylights out of you and your ilk.

Your magical link about kevin ryan is so weak. In that quote do you know what those brackets around those words in between the things that Larry S ‘actually’ said mean?
I think it could be interpreted either way, and if anything I think the second interpretation is more accurate.

BF’n'D

“allberry, you are here, day after day, week after week amongst people who don’t really like you.”

Accurate statement.

Very accurate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg

Some FDNY action for you. Allberry

““allberry, you are here, day after day, week after week amongst people who don’t really like you.”

Accurate statement.

Very accurate.”

I thought I downplayed that a little, ew.
I actually think hes a bunghole.
But can’t speak for everyone here.

Only trolls do that.

How much FDNY action is there in your “truth movement,” Lombeer? Please list all of the members, or post a link to their web site. Just FDNY, not “firefighters” for “truth.”

Yes, Lombeer, I know what Water Boy’s brackets around “the fire department commander AND I” mean, as well as what adding the “AND I” means. The liar is not content with the fact that Silverstein said THEY (the FDNY) made the decision, and wants to make it appear that Silverstein made it, even though property owners don’t tell the FDNY what to do, especially in emergencies. What’s equally dishonest is claiming that they were talking about bombing the burning building, since “pull it” isn’t a C/D industry term for using explosives to bring down a building, LS was talking about the previous “terrible loss of life,” and according to the “truth movement,” the imaginary bombs had already started going off hours before the phone call, so they obviously weren’t still deciding whether to bomb it for some unknown reason.
12 different insurance companies, at least 4 of which were foreign-based, all paid LS a total of $4.68 BILLION, so they must not be as smart as you and the rest of the troofers are, huh? If you contacted them and told them about LS’s public confession, they’d all probably pay you a hefty reward. Go for it.

I just took another look at ew’s photo at the top of the page here. Let ME know when you DON’T see fire in it. It shows a jumper, so it’s most likely the North Tower, since the stairwells were all blocked above the 91st floor, it’s probably the south side of it, since there’s no plane damage visible. and it was probably taken soon after AA 11 hit, because the flames haven’t spread upward and the columns don’t appear to have begun bowing inward at that point. Here’s what it looked like closer to collapse time:

http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/WTC1BowingNIST.jpg

I see fire there too, but I’m not a member of the 9/11 “truth movement.” If I were, I’d believe that major, multi-story fires self extinguish in less than an hour without any water pressure to sprinklers, and with no firefighting effort, and that columns are just as strong when they’re bent inward more than FOUR AND A HALF FEET as they are when they’re straight and plumb.

Denialism – the real issue with 9/11 Deniers and Uncensored.com:

“It has been proposed that the various forms of denialism have the common feature of the rejection of overwhelming evidence and the generation of a controversy through attempts to deny that a consensus exists.[4] The terms Holocaust denialism and AIDS denialism have been used,[5][6][7][8][9] and the term climate change denialists has been applied to those who refuse to accept that climate change is occurring.[10][11][12][13] Several motivations for denial have been proposed, including religious beliefs and self-interest, or simply as a psychological defense mechanism against disturbing ideas.[14][15]”

…

“Mark Hoofnagle has described denialism as “the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none.”[4] and is a process that operates by employing one or more of the following five tactics in order to maintain the appearance of legitimate controversy:[20]

1. Conspiracy theories – Suggesting opponents have an ulterior motive for their position or are part of a conspiracy.
2. Cherry picking – Selecting an anomalous critical paper supporting their idea, or using outdated, flawed, and discredited papers in order to make their opponents look like they base their ideas on weak research.
3. False experts – Paying an expert in the field, or another field, to lend supporting evidence or credibility.
4. Moving the goalpost – Dismissing evidence presented in response to a specific claim by continually demanding some other (often greater) piece of evidence. In other words, after an attempt has been made to score a goal, the goalposts are moved to exclude the attempt. Thus denialists use the absence of complete and absolute knowledge to prevent the implementation of sound policies, or the acceptance of an idea or theory.
5. Other logical fallacies – Usually one or more of false analogy, appeal to consequences, straw man, or red herring.

Tara Smilth of the University of Iowa also stated that moving goalposts, conspiracy theories and cherry-picking evidence are general characteristics of denialist arguments, but went on to note that these groups spend “majority of their efforts critiquing the mainstream theory” in an apparent belief that if they manage to discredit the mainstream view, their own “unproven ideas will fill the void”.[21]”

It took more than two months for “savage poodle” edwards to respond to my post March 23, at 11:10 am
and the best he could do was spam!

The Council on Foreign Relations must have a brighter bulb to send on such an important mission as “debunking” 9/11 Truth?