“On September 13th, we marched back in. In groups of twos and threes at first; and then dozens, until there must have been more than two hundred of us. Carrying ropes, ladders, tools of every kind; back into the smoke, poison, and rubble where we reached an intersection with hundreds of civilians cheering us on. Our uniforms were torn and soiled, our resolve was simple: to stay and dig as long as we had any hope to save anybody. I want to tell you how sick some of these brave men and women have become. I want to tell you about how the mayor refused to accept the fact that not dozens, not hundreds, but many thousands of us were contaminated, sickened and poisoned by the most toxic combinations of building materials in the history of disaster relief. And that for five terrible years, he ignored that fact. Five years of our family members watching us drop dead. And every time Popular Mechanics calls the people of this movement ‘nuts’: these propagandists, professional liars and tools who cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered journalists; strike another nail into the coffin of another rescue worker.”

- David Miller, 9/11 First Responder http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/18/the-911-chronicles/ [0:11:26]

Popular Mechanics never called any of the people at Ground Zero “nuts,” and debunking lies about 9/11 doesn’t harm anyone who was there.

More than a year ago, Uncensored readers were given this good advice regarding another debunker-for-sport:

“He is not posting here for any constructive reason or purpose, he is a troll pure and simple…

He thrives on attacking people from behind the anonymity of the internet.
He especially appears to delight and specialise in ad hominem attack and baiting and wind ups.
May I suggest that nobody replies to anything he posts here in [the] future?
He will soon be starved of what he craves and melt away.”

- Jeremy | April 6, 2009, 2:33 am

Other bloggers gave us the same excellent advice.

Trolls are running out of sites to play their games of twisting the views of others and attempting to humiliate those who have the courage to speak out against the deception coming from the corporate media and jackals in governments around the world that desire to enslave others. The trolls get banned elsewhere partly because of their abusive natures.

As the welcome mat is pulled from under them at other websites, they fold their tent and bring their traveling circus of deception to new victims of their treachery at the next site on their list. At mainstream sites, trolls are typically ignored.

Knowing why they are here (and the fact that you can’t reason with them) Uncensored readers would do well to post as if the trolls don’t exist. They desire to stop others from expressing themselves at sites like this one. Just one of the reasons for their obnoxious behavior. They win when others are afraid to have their views mocked in a public forum.
As recommended, nearly a year ago, by a reader from Sweden: “no direct communication with the trolls is the best approach.”

MCC. I totally agree with both you statements. Debate from all sort of intelligent people requires patience, empathy, and in some cases apathy. Debate which is confined to mass media regurgitation, has no basis for critical dialogue.

“Debate which is confined to mass media regurgitation,
[as far as the trolls are allowed to go on their leash]
has no basis for critical dialogue.”

“patience, empathy, and in some cases apathy” very well said.
Sometimes, no response is the best response.
There are those who desire to destroy sites like this, and I try not to fall for the bait and waste precious time arguing with them.

Just wanted to share what came to mind as I read your post, WIll.
Thank you for reading Uncensored, and being a part of this forum.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/08/100-reasons-why-9-11-was-an-inside-job/

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/30/jim-marrs-presents-911-truth-in-10-minutes/

Instead of attacking the messenger, why not point out where PopMech called any of the GZ rescue or cleanup personnel “nuts,” M C C?

For readers who would like a better understanding of what David Miller said, and who he was referring to, his testimony is here
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/18/the-911-chronicles/ 11 minutes 26 seconds into the video.

So if someone named David Miller says that PopMech called rescue workers at GZ “nuts,” that’s proof to you that they did, M C C? And if some of the rescuers didn’t wear breathing protection, which many people don’t because it’s bulky, hot, and uncomfortable in warm weather, that proves that we were all lied to, the WTC had secretly planted explosives in it, and 9/11 was an “inside job”? It sure doesn’t take much to convince you.

“Badgers, occasionally referred to as brocks, are short-legged, heavy-set omnivores in the weasel biological family, Mustelidae.”

Instead of furnishing descriptions of animals, cnp, why not look through some of the PopMech 9/11 information here:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

and point out the parts where they called any workers at GZ “nuts”?

911 was an inside job – talk in UK parliament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acjjlNN9PnQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCVtzWJHec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6CDSvoX0EU

That’s some really exciting stuff there, ew. Since Dr. Nafeez Ahmed knows that at least 10 of the men named by the FBI as 9/11 hijackers are still alive, why don’t you find out who they are and get some interviews with them? The networks will pay you millions.

“The networks will pay you millions.”

… really ?

For interviews with the living 9/11 hijackers, ew? Darn right.

“Our government has been hijacked by the means of a new ‘Pearl Harbour’ and a lot of otherwise good and decent people are gullible enough to think that the first three steel framed buildings in history fell down because they had some fires that the firefighters on the scene said could be knocked out with a couple of hoses. Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government who used it as an excuse to murder other people.”
Lt. Col. Shelton Lankford, US Marine Corp. (ret.)

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/27/kevin-ryan-presents-at-keene-state-college-on-controlled-demolition-of-world-trade-center-towers/

Are you stupid, Keith, or just dishonest? A plane carrying ~9500 gallons of jet fuel hit each of the towers, and the fires in both were major. This was posted the last time you cited Orio Palmer, the firefighter who never got higher than 4 stories below the fires, and then lied about what his radio call meant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1g3OAOiOP0

http://www.debunking911.com/fire.htm

9/11 Ten reasons why the hijackers were fake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6gtqAr241I

note that CNN had the names and photos of all these terrorists within an hour of the planes hitting the towers.

The FBI didn’t release a final list of 9/11 hijackers until ~two weeks later, ew, so they prolly didn’t know that CNN had one so much sooner. There are now 19 of them to interview, according to your new information, so why waste time on here? The tapes should be a gold mine.

Its great to see we all sleep until at least 7.30. How many of you have kids? The future depend on us caring about the state of the planet post 9/11 Lies, Recession Lies, Antro(!@$&^%$%) Lies, and other big words that end with lies. If you want change on a really scale, walk next door and have a chat with your neighbor over a glass of fluoride free water. The mind will be free…..

Talk openly about your fears albury. Why are you so worried about the truth? How will it change your life? What will you need to do if 911 was an inside Job? Will you have to re-train as a gardener? Who a prophet? Or a sailor?

How did 911 change your life?

The al Qaeda attacks of 9/11 killed nearly 3000 of my countrymen, WIII, and I resent people like you who lie about it.

How did 911 change your life?

Your countrymen and women, have slaughtered people throughout the history of your enslavement of others.

I feel for you and your loss.

Please refer to Iraqi and Afghanistan for losses.

All lives are worth something.

Your resentment is unjustified, I do not apologise for my opinions.

” I do not apologise for my opinions.”

Me neither.

Aside from making no sense, your “opinions” involve the libeling of people who had nothing to do with the 9/11 al Qaeda terrorist attacks on the US, and the exculpating of the Islamic murderers behind them.

“exculpating” the real culprits of 911

is what albury is here to do.

That’s why he’s worried about the truth.

I’m “worried about” people stupid enough to think al Qaeda didn’t attack us on 9/11, ew.

That concerns me Albury.
… so you are saying that the biggest problem facing the world,
.
.
.
in your opinion,
.
.
.
is 911 truthers?

so given that the Zio-Anerican militaryindustrialmedia complex dealt rather comprehensively to the “Islamic murderers” by bombing Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine back into the Stone Age …you’d be pretty happy with yourself and the satankillingdeathmachine whose faeces you enjoy to roll on your back in?

p.s remind me again why you dropped 3 trillion tons of HE on Cambodia and Vietnam?

I am?

you are..!

…rolling in it!

From the Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth Petition:
“The perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have still not been brought to justice.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-boXyQ1sy4o

“9/11 is the single most important historical event since the end of the cold war. It heralded a new war, the ongoing and endless ”war on terror”. This is a global war which affects every aspect of human life on the planet. There is no enemy nor victory in sight. Most people acknowledge that the 9/11 attacks on USA soil was a crime, but only few are aware that it has never been investigated as such. – Prof. Niels Harrit

Osama Breath™ just claimed that I’m saying that the biggest problem facing the world today is truther nuts, goyim. I hope that explains the “I am?”

Niels Harrit also claims that more than one hundred tons of conventional high explosives were planted in the towers, Matt, along with his miracle substance, nanothermite, so I wouldn’t take him too seriously. If he even knows what it looks like chemically, he didn’t include it in his Bentham farce, and he also refuses to demonstrate it by painting it on a steel column.

“After five years of talking to people in the Intelligence community, in the military, foreign intelligence agencies, people from the air traffic control community and the FAA, I came to the conclusion that what we saw on the morning of September 11th was a result of a highly compartmentalization covert operation to bring about a fascist coup in this country.”
Wayne Madsen, former US Navy Intelligence Officer, Specialist in Electronic Surveillance and Security

Still waiting for you to explain how a firefighter in a stairwell on the 78th floor of a hi-rise can see what’s happening on the 82nd and above, Keith.

“A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story … of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up … is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. However even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder.”

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. Air Force fighter pilot, over 100 combat missions. PhD in Aeronautics, Nuclear Engineering.

Building explosions clearly seen at 2:24 in this video.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/13/a-hypothetical-timeline-of-world-trade-center-7s-destruction/#comments

Clearly seen to anyone but that squealing troll-hole named albury.

That was ~125,000 tons of building dropping onto the 80th or 81st floor, ew, so what would the collapse of the South Tower have looked like if there hadn’t been any explosives?

Clearly seen to anyone but that squealing troll-hole named albury.

“Clearly seen to anyone” except almost every single live eyewitness in NYC on 9/11 too, ew.

“Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

“There’s a strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. government story of what happened on Sept. 11, 01 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies.” Bill Christison, CIA Veteran, former National Intelligence Officer

Second Opinion sez: “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon.”

Here are plenty of other people who pretty much said the same thing, “Second Opinion”:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

It just wasn’t that big a secret, which is why the ~600′ safety zone was established around 3 PM.

Second Opinion 1:17 am

Agent Smith 4:50 am

Readers must wonder whatever happened to his replies in 4 minutes
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8346

Perhaps an overload in his debunker database?

Aside from avoiding the fact that NUMEROUS eyewitnesses at the WTC on 9/11 were certain that WTC 7 was in danger of collapsing from ~2 PM until 5:21 PM, when it finally did, what’s your point, cnp, assuming you have one?

How does a firefighter in a stairwell on the 78th floor of a hi-rise see what’s happening on the 82nd floor and above, spam meister Keith?

“spam meister Keith?”

seriously Agent Smith?
YOU are calling Keith a “spam meister”

lordy.

Why won’t you answer the question, m.o.t.a.m/aka ewingsc? How does a firefighter in a stairwell on the 78th floor of a hi-rise see what’s happening on the 82nd floor and above him?

It doesn´t matter,the problem is that it has been another Pearl Harbour,the great excusse to fight because there was no excusse.

If they simply wanted an “excusse” why didn’t the US send troops into Afghanistan to attack al Qaeda after their two 1998 SUICIDE bombings of our embassies in Africa, or after their SUICIDE bombing of the USS Cole in 2000, Monica?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0

Now that we know that Danny Jowenko, who wasn’t in NYC when WTC 7 collapsed, or afterward to look at the debris, has X-ray vision that determines causes of collapses even on videos with no audio, ew, why did the BBC blow up WTC 7 with those fireproof, redundant, flash- and bang-free explosives that leave no severed columns in the debris?

‘clear’ evidence of ‘controlled demolition’ explosions in these videos my arse. I can clearly see some pixillated puffs of dust that look like what I’d fuckin’ expect from a collapsing skyscraper -pulverised steel, concrete and other building and office materials. Oh yeah but those CIA/Mossad black op dudes use super-special explosives that make super-special explosions that don’t look like normal explosions at all huh. bloody clever those conspirators. just as well we’ve got the best brains in the world in the shape of these 911 ‘truthers’ working on the case …

You know the thread is receiving too much attention when “another” spook agency minion is plucked from his drunken stupor to have a go at “debunking” truth.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/01/firefighters-for-911-truth/

The thread has gotten little to no attention, AJ, but here’s the petition from your “firefighters” for “truth” site:

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469

Care to tell me how many of them are FDNY?

“The thread has gotten little to no attention”
and here is Agent Smith, fastened to it like a barnacle.

“I know that 9/11 was an inside job. The police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too”.
Paul Isaac Jr. Auxiliary Lieutenant, NYC Fire Dept.

Did you get that count of FDNY on the “firefighters” for “truth” petition yet, cnp? This link goes directly to the signatories:

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469#Signatures

You won’t even need both hands for it.

Quote from the above post :

“We, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, believe that whereas:

There is incontrovertible publicly available evidence since 9/11/01 that the official account of the events of that day is incomplete and fraught with errors;

The 9/11 Commission Report inadequately answered, and in numerous cases even failed to address, many of the most important questions that were called to its attention;

The blatant disregard of extensive compelling evidence that clearly refutes the official account raises rational suspicion of intentional deception by agents of the U.S. Government;

U.S. Government policies have been, and continue to be, founded upon assumptions about the events of 9/11 that are likely to be erroneous;

Life-threatening maladies caused by toxic environmental conditions at Ground Zero in New York City persist today and will continue to develop in the future; and

The perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have still not been brought to justice.

We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.”

Some of the perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have been brought to justice, ew, as KSM and Ramzi Yousef (who helped plan it while hiding in Pakistan after the 1993 WTC bombing) can attest. OBL doesn’t get around as much as he used to either.

If you believe that tripe albury I feel sorry for you. The situations and the innocent victims may change but the game doesn’t. The people at the top pulling the strings always have a patsy lined up prior to the crime.

You really need to start looking at history a bit more. Alex Jones has put out a great doco called Terror Storm that documents government sponsored terrorism through the ages. Maybe you should watch it.

So Alex Jones docos tell you all you need to know about history eh? I’m sure all those history professors are packing themselves over 45 minutes of some fat Texan blowhard ranting paranoid bullshit over some news footage he’s ripped off YouTube. I can hear the history department doors being closed up as I write…

… I can feel my eyes rolling up as rolysourty writes …

I’ve noticed that people who make sense on here bother you, ew.

… and as albury writes, too …

Just wanted to let readers know that the post on Terrorstorm has been updated to include:

New Documentary About Operation Gladio and False Flag Terrorism

US Readies Cyberwar, Virtual Flag Terrorism: Interview with Webster Tarpley (video)

And two articles on False Flag Terrorism.

All of this information is worth checking out.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/17/terrorstorm/

talking about people making sense here’s a little classic Albury:

here’s a my opinion is that we should have left Saddam alone,
(…to gas the Kurds and slaughter Iranians and his own people with chemicals, weapons,delivery systems and political support supplied by us aka the West)
since we’ve allied Iran and Iraq against us at this point,
( fortunately in a totally illegal war of pre-emptive destruction we’ve managed to smash a former client state ie: Iraq back into the stone age)

and Ahmadinejad has been emboldened to threaten Israel,
(?? and as ever Israel in conjunction with it’s client state, the USA openly discusses and trials pre emptive military strikes on Iran)

as well as to give covert aid to anti-US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
( in the same way as America gives overt aid to anti-Palestinian forces in Israel)
I also agreed with another poster that Shrub [was] a curse on the US.
( nicely confining the evolving growth of American world destruction to one President,was L. Johnson and Nixon more ‘world friendly’than Bush?…

So as usual rolysourtly attacks the messenger rather than the message. Anyone can go and investigate the information that Alex gives and find it accurate. Historical fact is distorted by so called History professors just as science is distorted by paid off scientists.

Maybe you should look at the facts yourself and leave your character assasinations in the playground.

Thanks for posting those links Philip

WTC7 responded to a decision to “pullit” and collapsed on cue.

Pretty smart building for one never hit by an airplane huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

If it looks like a controlled demolition,

collapses like a controlled demolition,

and leaves a mountain of evidence like a controlled demolition – then …?

What “mountain of evidence,” ew, and how would WTC 7 have come down if the Probable Collapse Sequence in NCSTAR 1A had happened?

Quote from MCC in another post

“The “mountain of evidence”
includes, but is not limited to,
all of the video clips clearly displaying the controlled demolition of building 7

Agent Smith has seen them all before;
but his job here includes trying to convince us that we didn’t see what the videos clearly show.
Controlled demolition.”

Albury’s fuckhead ‘piss on your leg and tell you its raining’ phrase that he likes so much

leaps readily to mind here.

Please answer my July 22, 10:39 pm question, ew.

[12:40 am] many U.S. government officials reject the 19 Arab hijacker BS

The poor tool is blind as well as pig-headed.

Two major US airlines, the FAA, NTSB, Airfone call logs, ATCs, and the FBI don’t reject it, AJ.

“Two major US airlines, the FAA, NTSB, Airfone call logs, ATCs, and the FBI” is only a partial list of corporate clone foxes, weasels and skunks in charge of,or cheering on, the chicken coop matrix- wittingly or not. Please list the rest of them and we’ll get to the bottom of this thing… OH YEAH! These “Truther” folks already have! Case closed.
Recent bumper sticker “STOP FEEDING THE PIG”. Bruce

Here’s a more comprehensive list of conspirators, Bruce:

me, Chimp and Deadeye, the FAA, NTSB, Larry Silverstein, two major US airlines, the Mossad, Daniel Nigro and the FDNY, Donald Duck, NIST, Les Robertson, Gene Corley, Matthys Levy, Irwin Cantor, Mark Roberts, Ron Wieck, the DoD, NORAD, Ted Olson, the NYPD, Val McClatchey, FEMA, Brent Blanchard, LDEO, Mark Loizeaux and CDI, Mickey Mouse, the PNAC, ASCE, PA State Police, Richard Myers, the CIA, Lloyd England, the FBI, FEMA, Bugs Bunny, Popular Mechanics, Marvin Bush, Wile E. Coyote, Jerome Hauer, tens of thousands of eyewitnesses at the crash sites, Barack Obama, Donald Rumsfeld, the SEC…

Good to see you checking out the site, Bruce,
and thanks for the advice on the pig.

he’s kind of like the inflatable blimps that are sometimes seen hovering over sports stadiums.
Concerned (like former President Clinton) about “too much freedom in the wrong hands”,
he has been hovering over discussion threads here at Uncensored of NZ for some time.

It is best not to feed him, as your bumper sticker stated;
the beast is too numb to know when he’s been whacked
and just keeps mindlessly repeating his debunker website spam.

Does the 9/11 “truth movement” ever discuss the topic, M C C, or are you usually too busy with insults and name-calling?

On the money again re the pig, MCC

9/11 Firefighter Oral Histories, First-Hand Reports

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3MG5vPoV54

Zero : An Investigation Into 9-11 From Italian Television

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/26/zero-an-investigation-into-9-11-from-italian-television/

How many FDNY are on this petition, ew?

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469#Signatures

Actually, MCC, the ‘pig’ I think the bumper sticker was referring to is this far-reaching corporatized rogue ‘government’ which has been fed, nurtured and growing for a VERY,VERY long time. But if the shoe fits….God’s peace AND Truth to you.
P.S.-”Put not your trust in kings and princes.” also “Vain is the help of man.”-Bible

Put not your trust in liars and crackpots like Griffin, Gage, the Loose Change creeps, or Alex Jones either, Bruce.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/21/nist-report-on-wtc-7-debunked-exposed/

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/07/9-11-science-vs-conspiracy-theories/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3776750618788792499&hl=en#

What has David Ray Griffin lied about, albury ?

Griffin lies constantly, ew, but here’s an example:

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

“Griffin lies constantly”

Really ? What bothers you about the information he presents ?

-Specifically-

Don’t use Reagan National Airport if you visit the US, ew. It’s <1 mile from the Pentagon, with a runway pointed right at it, and those "antiaircraft missiles" that only DRG and the 9/11 "truth movement" know about might shoot down your plane.

Ha ha funny

What bothers you about the information he presents ?

-Specifically-

Our zealous moralist and 9/11 expert, debunker a, claims that
[David Ray] “Griffin lies constantly”
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-13412

The debunker must have a rather long list of David Ray Griffin’s “lies”
that he could unfurl for Uncensored’s inquiring minds to peruse.

As ewingsc stated:

“What bothers you about the information he presents ?

-Specifically-”

Why has no one addressed this, ew?

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

Not sure, albury.

Maybe just it’s ‘not that important’ ?

Maybe it’s just part of your ‘naff crappy disinfo spam-job’ ?

What bothers you about the information David Ray Griffin presents ?

-Specifically- ?

As I said, ew, DRG’s nothing more than a profiteering liar. If it’s acceptable to you that he says there are antiaircraft missile batteries at the Pentagon that shoot down civilian airliners not transmitting the right IFF code, you’ll probably believe the rest of his crap too.

“As I said, ew, DRG’s nothing more than a profiteering liar”

Yeah ? why ?

-Specifically-

Fuck – why why did I comment on this chain of thoughts.

I have to keep getting endless random thoughts from albury.

Well here my last thought. Before I go to bed.

Look the towers fell down.

building 7 fell down.

everyone died.

american got reemed,

the world got reemed.

we know who did it.

10 dudes in a cave. with osamba bin laden playing xbox on his 50 inch tv,

He pushed 2 x X + 4 x Y while holding down select and voila the 3 planes hit there targets bang on …

Then

- for the combo move -

he pushed the same move but + right trigger

… and voila the buildings burned for 1 hour …

then same move + left trigger

and they fell down, straight down onto themselves …

then 6 or so hours later,

he pushed for his last combo.

xx xx xx xxxx xxx + y

and

Building 7 fell down.

All this

with his satellite that he sent skyward 3 days earlier using the Chinese built Xbox running on Danish Solar Panels.

From his Cave – none the less.

ewingsc: What bothers you about the information David Ray Griffin presents ?
-Specifically- ?

albury: As I said, ew, DRG’s nothing more than a profiteering liar.

Our “debunker” is long on accusations against those who take a 9/11 Truth position;

but rather short on documentation to back up his claim.

The question, again:

Ewingsc: What bothers you about the information David Ray Griffin presents ?
-Specifically- ?

Read and learn, trollhammer/ewingsc:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2010/06/idiocy-of-david-ray-griffin.html

That’s just some of the latest idiocy from this “researcher.”

More lies from Grifter exposed:

http://sites.google.com/site/911guide/griffin2

“too numb to know when he’s been whacked
and just keeps mindlessly repeating his debunker website spam”

Who has ever claimed that the perpetrators or planners of the al Qaeda Planes Operation (9/11 attacks) were “dudes in a cave” in September of 2001, Will?

Why do you keep mindlessly ignoring it, ew, after asking for examples of Griffin’s lying?

ewingsc | July 30, 2010, 2:22 pm

“Based upon my reading, published evidence leads me to a terribly disturbing conclusion as to the veracity of the official government accounts. …

The observations are readily available and clearly evident from existing news reports, books, and photos and videos on the Internet. They have not been accounted for convincingly, or even at all, by the official U.S. government reports, and they have not even been challenged by the mass media. They raise serious doubts and questions as to what really happened on that day.

If the assumptions about the true nature of the events are erroneous, then the policies that have been justified by those assumptions must be questioned – ongoing policies that include the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and suspension of the guarantees provided by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution – against torture and against warrantless spying on U.S. citizens.

If we turn a blind eye to the truth about the events that occurred on September 11, 2001, we do so at our peril, for revealing the truth may well change profoundly the course of future events.”

Barry R. Komisaruk, PhD – Rutgers University Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School. Also Adjunct Professor, Department of Radiology, New Jersey College of Medicine, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.

What are Dr. Komisaruk’s structural engineering and controlled demolition credentials, Keith?

Good presentation,Keith. Very much agreeable with the huge mountain of evidence against the status quo clones and connivers of the 9:11 affair. The obvious and sad part about the overarching “ongoing policies” is the scary part. Unfortunately though, Truth is hate to those who hate truth. Take care.

How much actual truth do you have to ignore while proclaiming your antipathy toward those of us who “hate truth,” Bruce?

albury, you spend all day, every day harassing people who YOU yourself refer to as ‘truthers’ so you can understand why some of us might be of the opinion that you do indeed hate truth.

Is hatred the same as fear ?

Because albury’s fairly terrified of Larry Silverstein getting indicted.

Please explain why Larry Silverstein should be indicted, ew. Would you like to see my questions regarding his 2002 PBS statement again? I’m especially interested in learning why all 12 of his insurance companies paid him a total of $4.68 BILLION if he admitted to blowing up his own property, and why he was discussing whether to do it around 3 PM if the explosives started going off in the morning.

… see what I mean ?

No, I don’t, ew. Please explain why Silverstein should be indicted.

I wasn’t talking to you, dickhead.

You know, albury,

I think it’s just adorable

that you think

that you can tell me what to do.

You were talking about me, ew, and I simply asked you a question.

“I simply asked you a question.”

“Please explain why Silverstein should be indicted.”

Because if he

-shouldn’t-

be indicted

then perhaps you wouldn’t give so much of a fuck.

… would you.

On what charges do you think Larry Silverstein should be indicted, ew?

Fore-knowledge ?

Zero ~ An Investigation Into 9-11 From Italian Television

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/26/zero-an-investigation-into-9-11-from-italian-television/

What evidence of foreknowledge exists, ew, or don’t you need any?

” … or don’t you need any?”

Zero ~ An Investigation Into 9-11 From Italian Television

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/26/zero-an-investigation-into-9-11-from-italian-television/

Watch the above doco

then go fuck yourself.

I’ve seen the spam before, ew. Please answer my question.

Would you like to indict Swiss Re, Lloyd’s, Copenhagen Re, and the other 9 insurers who paid Larry Silverstein a total of $4.68 billion for his 9/11 losses, ew? The FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, and numerous others had foreknowledge of WTC 7’s likely collapse by 3 PM on 9/11, so should they all be indicted too?

Watch the above doco

then go fuck yourself.

This doco :

Zero ~ An Investigation Into 9-11 From Italian Television

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/26/zero-an-investigation-into-9-11-from-italian-television/

… & when I say

“go fuck yourself.”

I really

-really-

mean it

-fucker-

“The sequence of events on 9/11 has much in common with standard hypnotic techniques for rapid trance induction. These characteristics include hypnotizable subjects [like albury], focused attention, rapid induction, trance deepening, hypnotic suggestions, depth of trance testing, post-hypnotic suggestions, and delayed activation of anchors.

The hypnosis scenario explains why the majority of people did not believe what they saw with their own eyes; a controlled demolition of the World Trade Center. Although trances tend to wear off with time, repeated triggering of hypnotic anchors can prolong the effects indefinitely. The challenge now is to break the spell for a critical mass of people prior to any future false flag terrorist attack.”

Larry Burk, MD – Former Director of Education, Center for Integrative Medicine, Duke University Medical Center. Associate Clinical Professor of Radiology and Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center 1993 – 2004. Former Assistant Professor, Thomas Jefferson University Hospital.

Founding Member: Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth

Would you like to indict all of these eyewitnesses for “fore-knowledge” too, ew?

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

Your mission,

albury

should you

-choose-

to accept it

is to infiltrate every possible 9/11 chat room, message board, and forum to create as much din, disruption, “noise,” and chaos as possible which constantly litters and pollutes the soup; effectively preventing most people from focusing on Israel’s central role in 9/11.

You will spend an inordinate amount of time endlessly fixating on the tiniest of details without stepping back and exposing the bigger picture and its subsequent ramifications.

You will engage in rhetorical debates for debate’s sake; all of which is sterile, self-contained, and circular in nature.

You will get banned from many many websites for being a lying disinfo prick.

You will then ‘go fuck yourself’ in five seconds.

What have I lied about, ew? I simply asked you whether you think all of these people should be indicted for “fore-knowledge” too:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

“What have I lied about, ew?”

I won’t be

‘re-answering’

your questions anytime soon,

albury.

… oh look …

… it’s an investigation into 9-11 from italian television …

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/26/zero-an-investigation-into-9-11-from-italian-television/

IOW, you can’t name one thing I’ve lied about, ew, and you still haven’t said whether you think all of those eyewitnesses to the fires and damage in WTC 7 prior to its collapse should be indicted for “fore-knowledge,” either.

… oh look …

… it’s an investigation into 9-11 from italian television …

… as opposed to the repititive inner contents of albury’s

-brain-

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/26/zero-an-investigation-into-9-11-from-italian-television/

Plenty of FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, and others near the WTC on 9/11 had “fore-knowledge” of WTC 7’s probable collapse, ew. Should all of them be indicted, or just Larry Silverstein? Any thoughts on why all 12 of LS’s insurers paid him a total of $4.68 BILLION if he publicly admitted to blowing up his property?

Statement in support of Medical Professionals petition for Reinvestigation of 9/11:
I happened to be watching the Today Show on NBC on the morning of 9/11/01 and saw the events unfold in real time. When the Twin Towers exploded and collapsed, I told my wife “That can’t happen.” I was sure that terrorists had somehow planted explosives in the buildings and that “Blow-back” was the motive for the attacks with the most likely suspects being Muslims retaliating for our imperialistic policies in the Middle East and for our support of Israel and denial of Palestinian rights. The possibility that it might have been a “false flag” operation did not occur to me until much later and I waited for the 9/11 Commission Report to explain the issues.

When the Report came out and failed to answer many of the questions I had about the events of that day I became suspicious and began to research the subject on the Internet. When I discovered the mysterious collapse of Bldg. 7 and saw Larry Silverstein’s lame explanation of the same, I became convinced that 9/11 was an inside job used as a false flag operation to justify wars in the Middle East over control of the natural resources in that region as well as the implementation of stricter controls on the people of this nation and the expansion of the “military industrial complex” and its control of our government.

Since that time my research has nothing but further convinced me that my suspicions were justified. Only an in-depth investigation as described in this petition can clear up the many still disputed issues regarding the events of 9/11. I therefore am glad to have the opportunity to be a member of this organization and to sign the petition.

Tom Tvedten, MD – Physician. Former Chief of Staff, Chicot Memorial Hospital 1978 – 1995.
Founding Member: Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/21/nist-report-on-wtc-7-debunked-exposed/#comment-9387

What was Larry Silverstein’s “lame explanation” for the WTC 7 collapse, Keith?
Btw, when are you going to explain how a firefighter 4 stories below the fires, and in a stairwell, can accurately report on the severity of them?

Careful Keith, debunker albury has been assigned here
to badger readers who question the media-created image of his client L.S.
The “unfortunate” purchaser of the WTC, such a short time before the “surprise attack”
which (according to our debunker) could have forced the leaseholder into a near pauper-like existence.
Debunker albury is sure to return to (as Lombeer has noted) defend “the good name of Larry Silverstein”.

I never claimed that LS was going to be reduced to poverty by the terror attacks on 9/11, ewing/90125, but simply that he had nothing to do with them and lost a huge sum of money on them. He was also not the leaseholder of WTC 7; he owned it, and on that building alone he collected $861 million from IRI, his insurer, with which he repaid his debt on it and rebuilt. He was not compensated for the eight years and counting of lost income, which totaled in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

If you think he publicly confessed to blowing it up:

-Why would he have publicly admitted even to knowing that there were planted explosives in WTC 7 in the first place?

-What was Silverstein Properties’ and the FDNY’s motive for destroying a perfectly good, 14 year-old building, losing hundreds of millions of dollars in cash flow from it for eight years and counting, spending ~$700 million, or most of the $861 million insurance settlement, on obligatory replacement of it, and paying ~$500 million back to lenders?
(note: it was built in 1986-1987, at least 15 years after asbestos was written out of all building codes, and it had no asbestos in its SFRM or elsewhere.)

-Why would any insurance company have paid him a dime instead of the $4.68 BILLION total he received if he publicly admitted to foreknowledge of or complicity in the alleged secret demolition of his property, but especially those based in Copenhagen, Zurich (2 of them), and London?

-How did he or the FDNY know that flaming debris from a taller collapsing hi-rise across the street would hit WTC 7, start multi-story fires in it, and break the water main to it, disabling the sprinklers and providing a cover story for the demolition?

-If the alleged explosives were pre-planted, which would have taken weeks or even months in a vacant building and been completely impossible to do secretly in an occupied one, and Barry Jennings heard some of them go off around 10 AM, why was there any discussion at all in mid-afternoon about whether or not to demolish WTC 7 with the other apparently fireproof explosives a few stories higher?

-Do controlled demolitions take seven or eight hours to collapse a building?

-Do they leave no severed columns with copper residue on the ends, or any other evidence in the debris?

-Do they leave ~12 stories on one corner standing?

-Is the FDNY in the controlled demolition business? What other buildings, on fire or not, have they demolished before or since 9/11?

-Please link me to a C/D contractor’s web site, and show me the use of “pull” or “pull it” to refer to building demolition using explosives, not one in which cables are used to pull an already damaged building over, as was done with WTC 6.

-How does a “terrible loss of life” in the WTC towers affect a later decision to demolish a nearby building with no one in it?

-There was a pre-existing ConEd substation at the Vesey Street WTC 7 site in 1986, and the building was designed to straddle it, requiring some of the extremely long (~50′) girder and beam spans inside that contributed to the 9/11 collapse. It was powered up and in full use on 9/11/01, and the demolition of a 200,000 ton, 47-story building directly on top of it probably didn’t do it much good. Do you know whether ConEd’s insurers just absorbed the loss of tens of millions of dollars in infrastructure damage and restoration and then subrogated Industrial Risk Insurers, since Larry Silverstein’s firm was still the responsible party?

Did you know that Silverstein owed more on the lease for the towers than he paid out of pocket, and that his lenders forced him to up the face values on his policies, since he didn’t want to pay the increased money in premiums?

Btw, what were you assigned here to do, besides libel innocent people and lie about the al Qaeda terrorist attacks on 9/11?

Still waiting for Keith to explain why Orio Palmer should have been able to see fires on the 82nd floor of the South Tower, when he never got higher than a stairwell on the 78th floor.

WTC7 responded to a decision to “pullit” and collapsed on cue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

If it looks like a controlled demolition,

collapses like a controlled demolition,

and leaves a mountain of evidence like a controlled demolition – then …?

It’s a controlled demolition.

All those dead people … I hope Larry gets it in the neck.

Why are you blaming Larry Silverstein for an attack on the WTC by Islamic extremists, ew? They also destroyed 4 airliners, and killed all of the passengers and crew aboard them, so do you hope that the CEOs of American and United “get it in the neck” too?

“an attack on the WTC by Islamic extremists,”

I used to think it happened that way.

Now I don’t.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/26/zero-an-investigation-into-9-11-from-italian-television/

That makes you smarter than two major US airlines, the FAA, NTSB, FBI, Verizon Airfone, dozens of recipients of Airfone and cell phone calls from the hijacked planes, all of the MSM in the US and most of the world, thousands of eyewitnesses to crash sites, and countless others, ew, so you should certainly be able to answer a few easy questions instead of resorting to name-calling.
Were Silverstein’s 12 insurance companies all in on the plot too?

“Silverstein’s 12 insurance companies”
Does this mean that “Lucky Larry” paid insurance premiums to 12 different companies?

Why would 12 different companies have paid him a total of $4.68 billion if they weren’t all collecting premiums from him prior to 9/11, JC? Do you know of any insurance companies that pay claims to someone even if he’s not insured? “Lucky” Larry gets to pay the Port Authority $10 million/month in rent for the towers now, even though they don’t exist, and if he spends the $9 billion to rebuild them, he might start to get some of his losses back.
If you think that’s making money, don’t go into real estate.

“12 insurance companies all in on the plot too?”

can you reach into your bag of 100% pure ‘albury brand facts’ and tell me the names of the Insurance companies, I could google it but why bother, after all you know everything and we all know you are never wrong, eh.
So just reach into your fact bag, pull out the names and I’ll have a look at who owns these insurance companies and I’ll tell you weather i THINK they were “in on the plot too?”

[ August 4, 2010, 10:20 am ]

albury,
we have seen your 600 word cover for Larry $ilverstein’s hide numerous times on these discussion threads.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8265

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8345

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8357

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8369

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/12/firefighters-architects-engineers-911-truth-expo/#comment-9099

and

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/21/nist-report-on-wtc-7-debunked-exposed/#comment-12487

to name just a few.

If you post the message again on this thread, albury, it may get “pulled”.

You can consult your fishing buddy for the term’s precise meaning.

My link to a Wall street Journal article that listed all of them no longer works, Osama Breath™, but here are most of them:

Copenhagen Reinsurance Co, Lloyd’s, Hartford Financial Services, Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance, St. Paul Cos., Travelers, Zurich American Insurance Co., Swiss Reinsurance Co., Employers Insurance Company of Wausau, Allianz Global Risks U.S. Insurance Co., Industrial Risk Insurers (IRI, a subsidiary of Swiss Re), and Royal Indemnity Co. This is pretty basic stuff, and I’m surprised that a top 9/11 researcher like you needs to ask.

LS was involved in a lengthy lawsuit over the towers, since there were two planes and he and the Port Authority wanted it ruled as two separate occurrences. After a number of appeals and two or more jury trials, he got $4.68 billion out of policies with a total face value of $3.55 billion for the towers, which are estimated to cost $9 billion total to replace.

There was no contesting by either side of IRI’s payment of $861 million just for WTC 7, so I guess they never heard about his public admission to bombing it.

Do you have enough information now to tell me which ones were in on the plot?

I’m for ‘pulling’ albury’s lame spam-a-lama-thon.

Why don’t you find a controlled demolition web site that uses “pull” or “pull it” to refer to demolishing a building with explosives, MCC, link us to it, and then address my other questions about Silverstein’s 2002 PBS statement?

Do you ever post anything worthwhile, ewing?

“I remember getting a call from the…er…fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”

He quite clearly said
“maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it”

Not *pull the firemen out”

but, pull

*it*

Quite possibly worded that way deliberately so that people could pick up on it, and then later be ridiculed by “debunkers” with all the answers.

Pull *it* is pretty clear.

The key to understanding the quote rests in that two letter word

*it*

and then viewing the results in the available clips on You Tube and Google Video.

All the spam in the world cannot explain away what happened to building 7.

“And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”

“Collapse” video compilation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA

ewingsc posts plenty of “worthwhile” articles, videos, and commentary.

albury is not here to learn anything about September 11th.

Pull *it*

The meaning is obvious.

The official 9/11 narrative collapses here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA

You should explain that to all of the controlled demolition experts in the world, MCC, and to Industrial Risk Insurers, which paid LS $861 million for WTC 7’s collapse due to fire.
I’d also like to know why someone would blow up a building because he witnessed “such terrible loss of life” in two others that had collapsed, and why he’d be deciding at ~3 PM WHETHER to do it if the explosives started going off in the morning. It’s also rather odd that not one explosively-cut column was found in the debris of any WTC building that collapsed on 9/11.

“Do you ever post anything worthwhile, ewing?”

Well, you find what I post worthwhile enough to spam your comments all over

- in a repetitive and boring fashion

- in a vaguely desperate manner

- everyday of your life.

So that’s something, I guess …

“all of the controlled demolition experts in the world”, albury ?

That’s a lofty claim …

You sure ?

““Do you ever post anything worthwhile, ewing?”

Well, you find what I post worthwhile enough to spam your own comments on”

“worthwhile enough to spam”

replace “worthwhile” with “threatened by”

Hi Lom

Have you seen this guy ?

He’s like an evil, funless Chris Morris – wearing a blond full-head mask.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8JDnEH4AuA

“Seven is Exploding”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0

No, ew, I’m not sure of my “lofty claim.” If you know of any controlled demolition experts in the world who use “pull” or “pull it” to mean “demolish a building with explosives,” please link us to them. If you’re aware of any insurance companies that pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in claims to people who publicly admit to the secret demolition of their buildings, please furnish links to them too. You could also list some of the other fire departments you’ve heard of that are in the controlled demolition business.
Thanks in advance.

Was the BBC in on the plot too, ew? I’d also like to know how Danny Jowenko knows from watching a building fall straight down that explosives caused it, but I’m assuming that he has X-ray vision that even works on grainy videos with no audio.
Great “research” there…

We definitely should indict the FDNY for this crime, ew. Here are the names of some of the ones who probably knew in advance that WTC 7 might collapse:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

sorry, albury

didn’t mean to push your buttons …

I hope you’ll post the information I requested, ew. How else am I going to learn?

“Was the BBC in on the plot too, ew?”

yep

at least whoever they get their news feeds from was in on it.

“How else am I going to learn?”

old dog, new tricks? that does not work mr blurry

Oh so the ‘ugly-on-the-inside’ spam-parrot is here to learn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV_4mfeb2Fo

Niels H. Harrit from the University of Copenhagen reports that the use of thermitic material was discovered in the dust from the 9/11 world trade centre catastrophe.

4-ton girders were found as much as 600 feet from the base of the North Tower of the World Trade Center after its collapse.

This raises obvious questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKLOlIhang

How fast must they have been ejected from the collapsing building to land that far away?

What forces were at work to give such massive structures high horizontal velocities?

If anything besides gravity was at work, pandora’s box is opened up.

For more, see http://www.911SpeakOut.org.

[David Chandler is a member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: http://www.AE911Truth.org ]

You tube comments have been disabled on this clip because You Tube videos supporting 9/11 demolition theories are being systematically flooded by abusive comments that discourage rather than promote civil discourse.

(Gee, why would anyone want to do that? )

Dr. Harrit reported that aluminum, silicon, rust, sulfur, and some other matter was present in the WTC dust, and that it “reminded” him of something, but he provided no exemplars for comparison, so we don’t know what it reminded him of, if anything. He also won’t demonstrate how it works:

http://zelikow.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/norwegian-state-television-presents-911-truth/#comments

Worth repeating… over and over

““Was the BBC in on the plot too, ew?”

yep

at least whoever they get their news feeds from was in on it.”

BBC Reports Collapse of WTC Building 7 Early– TWICE

here they are reporting on this unprecedented, historical collapse of WTC7
WITH ASTOUNDING ACCURACY… BEFORE IT HAPPENED
They must be psychic, or something…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s&feature=fvsr

The BBC obviously received a report that WTC 7 was in danger of collapsing, and misread it, reporting with not very “astounding accuracy” that it had already collapsed, but furnishing no details of the alleged event. The FDNY had set up a safety perimeter around it in early afternoon, so its possible collapse was hardly a secret:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

The BBC obviously received a report that WTC 7 was in danger of collapsing, and misread it, reporting with not very “astounding accuracy” that it had already collapsed, but furnishing no details of the alleged event. The FDNY had set up a safety perimeter around it in early afternoon, so its possible collapse was hardly a secret

… whew …

thanks for clearing everything up in that regard, albury

you

-fucking-

dickhead

How many of these live eyewitnesses would you like to indict, ew:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

How long would you you like to spam this here website, alburied ?

..and what do you make of -this-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s&feature=fv

you little

-fuck-

?

Would you like to indict the entire FDNY, NYPD, and PAPD, ew, or just the ones at these links?

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

“Would you like to indict the entire FDNY, NYPD, and PAPD, ew, ”

Let’s just start with you, albury.

You little -wanker-

The point of the above post :

We, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, believe that whereas:

* There is incontrovertible publicly available evidence since 9/11/01 that the official account of the events of that day is incomplete and fraught with errors;
* The 9/11 Commission Report inadequately answered, and in numerous cases even failed to address, many of the most important questions that were called to its attention;
* The blatant disregard of extensive compelling evidence that clearly refutes the official account raises rational suspicion of intentional deception by agents of the U.S. Government;
* U.S. Government policies have been, and continue to be, founded upon assumptions about the events of 9/11 that are likely to be erroneous;
* Life-threatening maladies caused by toxic environmental conditions at Ground Zero in New York City persist today and will continue to develop in the future; and
* The perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have still not been brought to justice.

Therefore, we, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, call for a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/01 by a duly constituted legal body with the authority to subpoena and require testimony under oath, and with authority to prosecute if criminal activity is discovered, so that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity can at last be brought to justice.

Bye, albury.

Enjoy your daily spam visits to this website.

Do you have the link to “Greatest Hits from Airline Flight Data Recorders,” ew. I’d love to listen to some of them.

CVRs, or cockpit VOICE recorders, produce audible data, ew. Since you’re a top-notch 9/11 researcher, could you tell me what digital flight data recorders sound like? Do you just plug a headset or some speakers into one of them suckers, grab a cold one, kick back, and enjoy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s&feature=fvsr

11-Sep-2001 16:54 to 17:36 (Eastern Daylight Time; GMT -04:00)

    0:14:50 [START TRANSCRIPT]

    BBC Banner [TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US - World Trade Centre destroyed by hijacked planes. Pentagon hit and burning]

    PRESENTER: Now more on the latest building collapse in New York. You might of heard a few moments ago that was talking about the Saloman Brothers building collapsing and indeed it has,

[5:07pm EST [EDT]]

    Apparently that’s only a few hundred yards away from where the World Trade Centre towers were and it seems this was not a result of a new attack, it was because the building had been weakened during this morning’s attacks. We’ll probably find out more now about that from our correspondent Jane Stanley. Jane, what more can you tell us about the Salomon Brothers’ building and its collapse?

    BBC Banner [LIVE - TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US - World Trade Centre destroyed by hijacked planes. Pentagon hit and burning]

    STANLEY: Well, only really what you already know. Details are very, very sketchy. There’s almost a sense, downtown in New York behind me, down by the World Trade Centre of a .. just an area completely closed off as the rescue workers try to do their job. But, this isn’t the first building that …erm… has suffered as a result. We know that part of the Marriott Hotel next to the World Trade Centre also collapsed as a result of this huge amount of falling debris from a 110 floors of two … the two Twin Towers of the World Trade Centre. As you can see behind me the Trade Centre appears to be still burning,
we see these huge clouds of smoke and ash. We know that behind that there’s an empty piece of what was a very familiar New York skyline, a symbol of the financial prosperity of this city, but … er… completely disappeared now

    BBC Banner [LIVE - TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US - JANE STANLEY. New York]

    and New York is still unable to take on board what has happened to them today.

    BBC Banner [TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US - World Trade Centre destroyed by hijacked planes. Pentagon hit and burning]

    PRESENTER: Presumably there were very few people in Salomon building when it collapsed, there were I suppose fears of possible further collapses around the area.

    BBC Banner [LIVE - TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US - World Trade Centre destroyed by hijacked planes. Pentagon hit and burning]

    STANLEY: That’s what you would hope because this whole downtown area behind me has been completely sealed off and evacuated, apart from the emergency workers, that was done by the Mayor Ruidi Gulliani, much earlier today, because of … of course the dreadful collapse of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Centre. But … er …

    BBC Banner [LIVE - TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US - The 47 storey Salomon Brothers building close to the World Trade Centre has also collapsed.]

    New York very much a city still in chaos, the phones are not working properly, the subway lines are not working properly, and we know that down there near the World Trade Centre there are three schoools that are being turned into triage centres for emergency treatment and I know that over in New York Harbour where the famous Statue of Liberty is, there’s a field hospital where 1500 people are being treated and we have heard, though it’s unconfirmed as yet that a hundred New York City police officers have been taken there as well for treatment but we do need to confirm those figures for the officers.

    BBC Banner [TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US - The 47 storey Salomon Brothers building close to the World Trade Centre has also collapsed.]

    PRESENTER: It’s now what some eight hours since the attacks, is there any estimate yet available of the number of casualties in the World Trade Centre.

    0:17:40 [END TRANSCRIPT]

Wow Lom – how did they know that building was gonna collapse ?

(bet Uncensored’s resident shit-stick knows)

I guess they just looked at all those other steel framed building that have collapsed over recent history and assumed it was going to neatly collapse in a pile.
You know, like steel framed buildings always do.
I guess they just wanted to get the scoop on the story.
… Actually now you mention it…
Perhaps they should waterboard the BBC staff 187 times and see what evidence* they can come up with.
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.
.
.

* warning evidence gained through torture may differ from real evidence.

Are these people torture victims now, ew, or should we indict them?

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

oooh another Albury brand senior moment.
Brought to you by the spam puppet for a living.
Albury ‘Smith’.

He must just have his own ‘Notepad document’

that he can just repititively cut’n'paste himself boringly from …

*warning – evidence gained through torture may differ from real evidence.”

HA HA HA

Are the questions too tough for you top 9/11 researchers, ew and Osama Breath™?

oooh look – the spam-parrot is trying to appeal to my manly side again …

He should go and do someful helpful with his life.

Instead of being really

really

-boring-

… and he seems to desperately want to make me think about 911 in the same way he does.

“Are the questions too tough for you top 9/11 researchers, ew and Osama Breath™?

Posted by albury | August 7, 2010, 12:50 pm”

Are the questions in the article above too tough for you Albury?
Cos you just seem to focus on a few of them, over… and over … and over.
Almost as though you were some soulless spamautomaton.

… maybe he’s a small group of worried people with a script.

ewingsc gushes stupidly to Osama Breath™: “Wow Lom – how did they know that building was gonna collapse”

How did all of these people know, ew:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

Do you have enough information from my 9:41 am post on August 5 to tell me which of Silverstein Properties’ insurance companies were in on the plot to bomb the WTC on 9/11, Osama Breath™? Ewing may want to indict them too, along with the FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, thousands of eyewitnesses at the WTC, and tens of thousands of cleanup workers at GZ afterward.

You’re the only one repeatedly mentioning indicting the FDNY etc. albury.

Larry’s Insurance companies? yea sure they were probably in on it.
insurance companies are 98.9 % vermin, and are usually owned by banks who fund wars, such as your precious war of terror™, So yea I’m totally willing to believe they could be involved.

Yes, Lom, paying out $4.68 billion in losses is a great way to make money, and since LS was talking to the FDNY when he said “pull it,” they were definitely in on the plot too.

Our “spam-puppet” has found another message to post over and over again
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/comment-page-4/#comment-13706
He should be reminded that it takes about the same amount of time to be “pulled” as it did for him to copy & paste it.

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According to our “debunker” with unlimited time on his hands:

“not one explosively-cut column was found in the debris of any WTC building that collapsed on 9/11”

Was he part of the “clean-up” operation?

As debunker albury knows from another discussion thread, his assertion has already been addressed.

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“How do you cover up the fact that there wasn’t one column pulled out of the WTC rubble from any of the three collapsed hi-rises that had a severed end indicating that it had been cut with explosives or melted with incendiaries, M C C?”
- albury | May 13, 2010, 9:05 am

Rudy “the recycler” Giuliani is the one you should be directing that question to.

According to researcher Kevin Ryan, there was “an unprecedented destruction of evidence” at Ground Zero.
The US House Committee on Science reported, in March 2002:
“In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the [FEMA] BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris–including most of the steel from the upper floors–was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel–including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns–were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site.”
[Report from the Committee on Science, US House of Representatives, March 6,2002]
The steel evidence, “a significant amount” of which was quickly removed before investigators arrived, might have shown evidence of explosive damage… What other evidence might have been found and eliminated? Explosive initiators, like those sold by 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman’s company, Special Devices Inc., would have been an important find. But in Practical Bomb Scene Investigation, author James T. Thurman explains that — “Regardless of how efficient the initiator is, all the explosives are never entirely used or destroyed.” Therefore, one might expect to find the remnants of whatever explosive materials were used to bring the buildings down. This might have included components of a thermite demolition device patented in 1996 by Komatsu, a company for which Marsh & McLennan executive (and Kerik’s boss in Iraq) L. Paul Bremer was a board member.
- From an essay by Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation.
If you want to know why “no evidence of controlled demolition” was found at Ground Zero: you should be reading the writings of Kevin Ryan, instead of playing the role of apologist for those responsible for September 11th.
This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxE8SqYS6BQ is what happened on September 11th, 2001
And you are covering for the criminals who are responsible.
Do you need a government report to explain this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3laCvtwBbg&NR=1 to you?
How about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqhxyFZwjg [?]
Posted | May 13, 2010, 11:12 am
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8793

On that same thread, readers can find a series of posts containing excerpts from Kevin Ryan’s four part article on the
“ unprecedented destruction of evidence at Ground Zero”.

Debunker albury can malign Kevin Ryan, but his writings on the “ unprecedented destruction of evidence at Ground Zero”
stand as a witness against the diversionary tactics of someone who seems desperate to derail 9/11 Truth.

Take a hike, albury

you lame-dick pissing-contest spam-parrot fuckhead.

The cat’s out of the bag and there’s nothing you can do about it.

I know that Silverstein, the FDNY, NYPD, and PAPD were “in on it,” ew, but shouldn’t we also indict the ~40,000 people who worked at GZ for almost eight months after 9/11, and didn’t report even one explosively-cut column in the debris?
Btw, do you have any thoughts on why someone would deliberately alter another person’s quote, just so he could falsely accuse him of a felony?

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/RyanFraud1.jpg

Why do you like liars so much?

“Why do you like liars so much?”

Oh that one again ?

Looks like your cut’n'paste script is starting to come apart on you there, albury

… as in :

‘Not Working Anymore’

So you like liars who add words to someone’s statement, and then accuse him of a felony, ew? Some “truth” movement… I do

Did Water Boy lie about what Silverstein said, or didn’t he, ew?

Bye, albury.

You’re boring, repetitive, and a waste of time.

Did Larry Silverstein say that he and the FDNY “made that decision,” or that the FDNY “made that decision,” ew?

Subject: 102 Minutes That Changed America Part 1 (YouTube video)

07:15 Gentleman on the phone saying “Chris” stated that “They’ve locked All  the doors…”

Who [Electronically?] locked all the doors?
It took 11 hours total WTC evac in “93″

-NYsentinel@large

NUMBER OF 9/11 MURDER VICTIMS MUCH HIGHER THAN STATED

The actual number of people murdered on 9/11 was around 12,000. One source for this information is a paralegal working for one of the law firms dealing with the 9/11 victims’ families.

This very responsible and intelligent source states emphatically:

‘They (the law firms and lawyers working with victims’ families) all know it was about 12,000’.
-…www.oilempire.us/warnings.html

Supporting Evidence:

WTC occupancy = 100K
911 Saved = Aprx 25K
911 Killed/Murdered = aprx 3K

Missing Equation 73K?

911=102 minutes

93= 11 – 15 Hours

CONSPIRACY ?

[PDF] TR-076, The World Trade Center Bombing: Report and Analysis …
occur on February %,1993. The bombing of theWTC was an event of … evacuation of the towers finally were completed some 11 hours after the … percent of the on-duty staff of FDNY). The fire department units … At 1218 hours, an explosion rocked the WTC complex. …

[PDF] PDF – TR-076 The World Trade Center Bombing: Report and Analysis
Occupants were self-evacuating, and some were breaking windows on the upper ….. They had been in the elevator for *more than 11 hours. …

Day of 9/11 – Part I: To the fall of the Towers
Sep 11, 2001 … Despite the 1993 bombing, there had been no plans or drills….. In 1993, full building evacuations of the towers took ten hours; ….. and go back upstairs to help search for FDNY personnel. …

The Turner Network - World Trade Center Bombing 1993
On that fateful day in 1993, dispatcher Frank Raffa, of the FDNY, … people were evacuated from the WTC complex over a course of eleven hours, ….The 1993 WTC bombing attack left many wide-eyed as to possible …

Then again…

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

P.S. The “Quote” from the Wingtv false article is bullshit
but real Patriots already knew this

In point of fact, the CIA, the NSA, the FAA and NORAD had planned and trained for just such a possibility. Indeed, the record shows training exercises involving such a potential attack had in fact been carried on at the Pentagon in October, 2000 and May, 2001, and that NORAD had begun planning in July, 2001, for a training exercise in which the premise would be that a hijacked airliner was crashed into the World Trade Center.
-Retired Army officer April Gallop, a ranking specialist with top secret clearance

October 27, 2001 (C): Furious government intelligence officials accuse the NSA of destroying data pertinent to the 9/11 investigation. They claim that possible leads aren’t being followed because of the NSA lack of cooperation. [Boston Globe, 10/27/01]

Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort to defame the terrorist leader throughout the Middle East.

The details are outlined in a Washington Post article by investigative reporter and former Army Intelligence case officer Jeff Stein…

Paul Isaac Jr

“We haven’t heard from him (Usama Bin Laden) in a long time,” Bush told reporters at the White House. “I truly am not that concerned about him.” March 14, 2002

“So we’ve never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming” – Dick Cheney. (32)

But only a few days later on March 13, Bush says, “He’s a person who’s now been marginalized…. I just don’t spend that much time on him…. I truly am not that concerned about him.” Instead, Bush is “deeply concerned about Iraq.” [White House, 3/13/02]

“If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.”
– George Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter

George Bush Senior Referring To 9/11, Says His Son “Passed the Test.”
October 27, 2009 

George W. Bush’s biggest accomplishment according to his demon father was the way he handled 9/11.

Then he SMILES when he refers to “this 9/11.”

November 10, 2001 (B): In a speech to the United Nations General Assembly, President Bush states: “We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.” [White House, 11/1/01]

MSNBC – Afghanistan war plans were on Bush’s desk on 9/9/2001

President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaida two days before Sept. 11 but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, U.S. and foreign sources told NBC News. … The plan dealt with all aspects of a war against al-Qaida, ranging from diplomatic initiatives to military operations in Afghanistan, the sources said on condition of anonymity. [MSNBC]

Did Rudy say something wrong?

“… the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the
next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place
they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed.”  -Rudolph W Giuliani

“For months, we had in place an exercise in which we’d drill on our responseto a bio/chem attack, specifically practicing for the distribution of medication. The planned date: Wednesday, september 12. We had stored much of the materials for THAT DRILL at pier 92. Pier 92 offered 125.000 square feet of open space and easy transportation to and from Ground Zero by way of boat and the Westside Highway. Moreover, Because IT WAS ALREADY IN USE BY THE MILITARY, the points of access were relatively easy to guard. Richie told me he’d pulled his OEM guys to start setting up pier 92 as a command center. My most optimistic expectation would have been that even a rudimentary replacement for the felled center at 7 world trade would be seven to ten days. By saturday morning, we held our fist meeting.”
Page 355

LEADERSHIP Rudolph W Giuliani

“We’re currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the city of New York for THIS DISASTER. We arrived on late Monday night, and went into action on Tuesday morning. And not until today did we get a full opportunity to work the entire site.” - Tom Kenny FEMA-USAR / Mass.Sept 13, 2001

“THIS DISASTER”
- Tom Kenny

Freedom was never free
Blood & Tears

Bin Laden is not named as the perpetrator of 9-11 by the FBI:

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. (FBI Official Website: 10 Most Wanted List)

When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

“We haven’t heard from him (Usama Bin Laden) in a long time,” Bush told reporters at the White House. ”I truly am not that concerned about him.” March 14, 2002

C-Span Video of President Bush’s Comment
(466kB WMV)

Mainstream news sources document that a few people were warned not to fly or to get out of the way. Barbara Bush’s book Reflections: Life After The White House stated

“my nephew Jim Pierce narrowly escaped injury or possible death. He was scheduled to attend a meeting on the 102nd floor of the South Tower, which was the second building hit. However, the night before, the meeting was moved to an adjacent building because the group had outgrown the conference room. 
an excerpt is posted athttp://msnbc.msn.com/id/3225746/site/newsweek/
Newsweek also reported two weeks after 9/11 that “On Sept. 10…. a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.” Like most suspicious evidence about 9/11 in the mainstream media, there was not ever any follow-up

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

Late Friday night 14 Sept 2001-

“I had to be at a meeting that wasn’t on my schedule. I didn’t even mention it to my closest staff. The topic was biological and chemical warfare, which I feared would be the next terrorist move.

 ”Page 357 LEADERSHIP RUDOLPH GIULIANI [KBE]

“Friday 14 September”

“I scheduled our first meeting for 11PM., Specifically to keep it secret from the press lest word of it further unsettle an already rattled city. Thats also why I held it at gracie mansion. The sight of these people-some of whom were well known in the scientific community as experts on Biological attack-might trigger concern if they came to the emergency management center. Richie Scheirer, Jerry Haurer, and the Police Commisioner, The fire commisioner, health commisioner Neal Cohen and his assistant commisioner for infectious dideases, Dr. Marcello Layton, OEMs’ Edward Gabriel, and Dario Gonzalez and I spent several hours with people like Dr. Burt Meyers, an infectious disease expert at Mt Sinai School of Medicine, Dr. Martin J. Blaser, the Chairman of NYUs Department of Medice, and Dr. Josh Lederberg, who had won the Nobel prize.” We recieved plans related to possible attacks involving anthrax, smallpox, botulism, and sarin gas. We established charts for each-how one would detect the first sign, how much time each individual would have to act once the symptoms appeared. How would each be delivered ?
Page 358 
(Leadership) Rudolph W Giuliani 

Paul Isaac (NYsentinel at Large)

EPA Covering Up Toxic Pollution at Ground Zero? 

By catseye in MLP 
Sat May 04, 2002 at 03:52:19 AM EST 
Tags: News (all tags) 
EPA Ombusdman Robert Martin resigned on Earth Day, and in his resignation letter accused EPA Administrator Christie Whitman of withholding data on toxic levels of pollution and poisons in the air at the World Trade Center for personal gain. 

According to Martin, Ms. Whitman is the wife of a former CitiGroup officer who now manages about $800 million of CitiGroup’s investments. CitiGroup owns Travelers’ Insurance, the insurance company of many buildings in the WTC area. He charges that because Ms. Whitman issued a statement that the air was fine, Traveler’s saved a lot of money by not having to pay claims. 

Apparently there are a number of complaints from rescue workers, residents, and cleanup crews of respiratory and other problems. 

The full article can be found at the Environmental News Service site. The article also contains links to other documents regarding pollution at the WTC site.

As of September 2009, 817 WTC workers have died; an estimated 70% of the 70,000-plus First Responders have declared illnesses; it is estimated by the World Trade Center Health Registry that 410,000 people have been ‘heavily exposed’ to WTC toxins (includes Responders), and may become seriously ill in the future. [source 911 HEALTH NOW]

FDNY Funeral Sparks Renewed Call to Help 9/11 Responders
Tears and Lingering Questions on Long Island
NBC New York 8/6/10
by Greg  Cergol

NBC New York

The sound of muffled drums echoed along New York Avenue in Huntington Station, as a fire truck carrying the casket of Vincent Albanese headed toward St. Hugh of Lincoln Church.
“It’s a shame it happened like this,” said one mourner.
Albanese, 63, died this past weekend after a battle with cancer.  He had served the FDNY for close to 38 years; all in Ladder 38 in the Bronx.
-  FDNY Funeral Sparks Renewed Call to Help 9/11 Responders – FDNY News by theBravest.com

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

FDNY Funeral Sparks Renewed Call to Help 9/11 Responders
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The sound of muffled drums echoed along New York Avenue in Huntington Station, as a fire truck carrying the casket of Vincent Albanese headed toward St. Hugh of Lincoln Church.
“It’s a shame it happened like this,” said one mourner.
Albanese, 63, died this past weekend after a battle with cancer.  He had served the FDNY for close to 38 years; all in Ladder 38 in the Bronx.  
Albanese was, mourners believed, the latest victim of 9/11. 
The firefighter had spent months working “the pile” at Ground Zero after terrorists drove planes into the World Trade center in Sept., 2001.  Albanese’s friends said the husband and father of two believed his illness was the result of the toxic dust he breathed there.
“He was in perfect health up until then and after 9/11, he had health issues with his lungs first and then all of a sudden with cancer,” said friend and FDNY firefighter Marty Tighe. “There has to be something to that.”
“His father lived into his nineties, his mother is in her nineties and there’s never been a speck of cancer in his family,” added friend and fellow first responder, Pat Connolly. “We all know what it was.”
Advocates for 9/11 first responders claim more than 900 have died as a result of their work at Ground Zero. 
Despite that, Congress failed last week to approve a more than seven billion dollar bill to aid the first responders.  The contentious vote took place just days before Albanese’s death.
“It’s embarrassing,” said John Feal, the founder of a foundation lobbying for first responders. “We are trying to get the bill back for another vote during a special session of Congress next week.”
Even Feal admits, however, that’s a long shot right now.
“Those idiots in Congress, I wish one of them would have had to stand up on the pile and drag out a body.  Then you would see how they’d vote on that bill,” said an angry Pat Connolly.
Vincent Albanese was disappointed by Congress’ vote, friends said.
“He always did what he thought was right, without exception,” said FDNY Lt. Joe Huber, as he eulogized his former colleague.
“We look at a life like Vinny’s and it makes us better.”
In addition to his time with the FDNY, Albanese also served as a pilot with the Army Air National Guard, rising to the rank of Brigadier General. He was also known as a prankster and the “patron saint of dogs,” friends remembered, because of his work rescuing animals.
“He was courageous, kind and wild,” said lifelong friend, Bill Chabina. ”He believed in life, always worked to protect life.”
Albanese leaves his mother, wife, Chris and daughters Kelly and Jillian.  They wept and held each other as his casket was moved for final burial at Calverton National cemetery. They would find comfort, friends acknowledged, if first responders like Albanese are recognized for their sacrifices.
“We can’t forget,” concluded Pat Connolly. “We can’t forget the price these people are paying.”

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TOM Kenney got Monday and Tuesday mixed up in an interview right after 9/11, so maybe we should indict him and his FEMA colleagues too, along with Larry Silverstein, the FDNY, NYPD, PAPD, and the 40,000 or so people who worked at Ground Zero for nearly eight months. Ewingsc will explain why.

To our knowledge, none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible. [9/11 Commission Report]

But right before the south tower collapsed, I noticed a lot of people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all different people, high-level people in government, everybody was gone, almost like they had information that we didn’t have. [Joseph Pfeifer, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)]

I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when WE WERE TOLD that the World Trade Center was going to collapse…
–Rudolph Giuliani 

“The Downtown Lower Manhattan Association and Department of City Planning, in their joint 1993 Plan for Lower Manhattan, proposed RADICALLY CULLING THE HERD OF OLDER BUILDINGS. The suggestion of even broader plazas, in place of OBSOLETE SKYSCRAPPERS, put a positive spin on an OFF-THE RECORD OBSERVATION BY THE DLMA spokesman that in order to stabilize property values, SEVERAL DOZEN DOWNTOWN OFFICE BUILDINGS WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO BE RAZED.”
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Divided We Stand
Eric Darton(1999)

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Anger builds over EPA’s 9/11 report

Charges of a cover-up hit nerve with New Yorkers

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Stan Honda / AP file
Clouds of smoke rise over the ruins of New York’s World Trade Center a month after the Sept. 11 attacks.
by Francesca Lyman
msnbc.com contributor

Sept. 11, 2003 — Two years after the World Trade Center attacks, New Yorkers say they’re outraged by reports that the White House influenced the Environmental Protection Agency to downplay hazards posed by the toxic dust that fell in an avalanche over the city. The EPA’s acting chief defends the agency’s actions after the attacks, saying it hopes to be better prepared for “the next time.”

“I pray to God that, as a country, in the event of another terrorist attack, God forbid, we as an agency would be equipped to get the data analyzed and posted to the public,” EPA Acting Administrator Marianne Horinko told MSNBC in an exclusive interview. “All that was a huge challenge to us on 9/11 — coordinating communication among agencies, following incident command. God forbid there is a dirty bomb. I hope everyone knows their battle stations.”

In the early days and weeks of the World Trade Center disaster, says Horinko, there was such chaos that mistakes were inevitably made.

“Did we rush out (too soon) with data? On balance, I think we used our best professional judgment in an atmosphere where people were clamoring for answers.” But the agency wasn’t trying to deceive the public, she claims.

However, a report by the EPA’s Office of the Inspector General released on Aug. 21 states, among other criticisms, that the White House reviewed and even changed EPA statements about public health risks to make them sound less alarming. The report charges that the White House Council on Environmental Quality influenced “the information EPA communicated to the public through its early press releases when it convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones.” The report cites “reopening Wall Street” and “national security” as reasons for the spin.

‘We were all lied to’ 
The EPA presented “an overriding message that there was no significant threat to human health” even though there was cause for caution, it concluded.

“When EPA made a September 18 announcement that the air was ‘safe’ to breathe, it did not have sufficient data and analyses to make such a blanket statement,” said the OIG, adding that the agency was missing data on other pollutants, such as particulates and chemicals like PCBs. In addition, 25 percent of dust samples contained asbestos, a potent carcinogen.

Yes, Horinko admits, the EPA did find asbestos in the dust samples. “But the vast majority of the samples we took did not contain it,” she says.

Asked about why people are still suffering ill effects, Horinko said she can understand that rescue workers would still be affected but finds residents’ continued complaints to be “mystifying.”

Even though the the building collapses caused the highest particulate count in the city’s history, the tragic event violated no pollution standards. That’s because the air quality regulations were set up to measure particulate matter loadings over 24-hour periods rather than intense, short-term bursts.

That is cold comfort to many New Yorkers, particularly those still suffering health effects from exposure to the dust.

Kim Todd, an acting coach who lives in lower Manhattan just two blocks from the former World Trade Center, says she’s angry. “I might not have stayed down here — with dust on me for days — had I known of the dangers,” she says. “We were all lied to, and I’m afraid everybody is going to be seriously sick.”

Some fear that “WTC cough,” sinus problems, headaches and other ailments that Todd and others continue to experience, were worsened by government officials more willing to return the city to normalcy and open the Stock Market than protect public health. Doctors, too, worry the event could spur a rash of asbestosis, cancer and other long-term diseases in the future.

Many workers still sick 
“For me, it’s very scary. We lost another firefighter, and that makes one in New York and two volunteers who have died of pneumonia. My lungs are totally shot, and I’m afraid that’s what many of us are going to die of,” says Vincent Forras, a volunteer firefighter who answered the call for help, driving down from South Salem, N.Y., to Ground Zero that clear, blue-skied morning on Sept. 11.

Forras and thousands of other rescue workers on “the pile,” who were largely unprotected in those first hours and days, are still sick. Workers got little more than paper masks, if that, and there weren’t enough respirators to go round, recalls Forras, who still suffers severe headaches and ailments stemming from sinus surgery. “It took at least two weeks to get properly equipped. By then we were pretty well cooked.”

“There was a lot of finger-pointing about who was in charge,” says Joel Shufro, director of the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health. “But in the confusion between EPA and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the city Health Department, laws weren’t enforced.”

Workers have to bear some of the blame, says Horinko. “Many did not wear professional gear despite our best efforts.”

But, Forras says, even Mayor Rudolph Guiliani appeared to believe the EPA’s statement and went so far as to stand next to then-EPA administrator Christie Whitman and announce that the air was safe.

“When you have someone of the caliber of Mayor Guiliani saying it, they took that as gospel,” says Forras.

Not all New Yorkers believed that the smells wafting up from the smoldering remains of the two 110-story office towers were as benign as official pronouncements.

“How could something as huge as the World Trade Centers with all their contents — computers, fluorescent lights, plastic chairs, everything — just disappear?” says Todd. “They had to go somewhere.”

Workers at Ground Zero got much higher doses of dust and fumes than residents, says Dr. Robin Herbert, a physician and researcher at Mt. Sinai Hospital who worked on a program that screened and treated rescue workers and volunteers at the site. A year after the attacks, half of the program’s patients — some 7,000 firefighters, police officers and other volunteers — were still sick. While the final count is not in, says Herbert, “a substantial percent continue to have persistent upper and lower respiratory symptomatology — coughs and sinus problems.”

Toxins may linger 
Two years after Sept. 11, some downtown New Yorkers are still concerned about the potential toxicity of lingering dust in indoor areas, says Jenna Orkin, of 9/11 Environmental Action, a group formed to address issues many felt literally slipped through the cracks after the disaster when the EPA turned indoor air issues over to the city Department of Health.

After Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) held hearings on the health hazards triggered by the terror attacks, the EPA and city launched a program to clean up people’s apartments, ultimately cleaning more than 4,000 apartments in lower Manhattan. But that program left out the cleanup of schools, offices, workplaces, shops and businesses — and that’s only the beginning of how “wholly inadequate” the program was, Nadler told MSNBC.

“The program was limited to an area south of Canal Street, as though there were a Star Trek force field blocking out the rest of Manhattan and other places, like Brooklyn, where we know the toxic plume traveled,” says Nadler.

The EPA tested and cleaned individual apartments only when people asked, and generally left out central air systems and common areas. “How can you clean one apartment, and not the one next to it?” Nadler asks.

Apartments were tested for only one pollutant: asbestos. The testing method used excluded active testing, which uses a fan to kick up the pollutants lurking in carpets, drapes and corners, unless applicants opted for the most aggressive cleanup, which prohibited the resident from being present (and, some say, discouraged many people from signing up).

Jo Polett, who lives 6 blocks from the trade center site, however, insisted on supervising her job, and made the contractor turn on the “active” test fan when he didn’t even know to. With effort, she learned that her apartment was contaminated with heavy metals, such as antimony and lead (with the lead reading five times the EPA’s standard). Had she opted for “testing only” — which tested only asbestos — she might never have found that out.

Polett, who speaks softly with her new whispery voice, blames her respiratory problems on the toxic dust trapped in her building’s ventilation system. Yet, because there was no visible dust in her apartment, she never suspected a problem until several months after the disaster. Too late, her home was judged “uninhabitable” by FEMA, she said. “I’m frightened by what other people might also be living with,” says Polett.

In a press conference, Nadler also release a memo by EPA scientist Cate Jenkins, a veteran of the Hazardous Waste division, saying that even the most rigorous EPA-led efforts have failed to clean up downtown buildings to federal levels for asbestos and silica, another carcinogen that, she says, could be implicated in “WTC cough.”

Jenkins’ memo states that a building at 114 Liberty Street still has visible dust. She has said that the EPA tested its own offices downtown with more stringent methods. The city Department of Environmental Protection did not return calls regarding its joint cleanups with the EPA, but Jordan Bailowitz in Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s office said, “The city is not responsible for oversight of what EPA had done to clean up apartments.”

New cleaning efforts urged 
Siding with Nadler on this issue, the OIG has urged the EPA to re-launch a new systematic program to make sure the agency’s apartment cleaning does reduce residents’ exposure to indoor pollutants. The OIG notes that in this case, as in future terrorist events, the EPA is tasked under a 1998 Presidential Decision Directive “with the leadership role in cleaning up buildings and other sites contaminated by chemical or biological agents as a result of terrorism.”

But the EPA’s Horinko doesn’t think that’s necessary. “We stand by the job we managed in testing and cleaning up people’s apartments,” she says.

It’s too soon to say if the World Trade Center attack will have long-term health effects on New York residents, says the OIG report, although there are troubling signs. Pregnant women exposed to air pollution from the World Trade Center attacks, according to a preliminary study released in August 2003, face double the risk of delivering babies up to a half-pound smaller than babies born to women not exposed.

Doctors are still treating patients with post 9-11 respiratory problems, says Neal Schachter, a pulmonologist at Mt. Sinai. During the first year, he saw perhaps 15 percent more such patients, but that’s tapering off to between 5 percent to 10 percent more now.

“But I still get a steady stream of patients, including new ones,” he says.

Schachter also worries about the long-term consequences of the pollution that we have yet to see. “With asbestos, as well as other carcinogens, we’re dealing with silent culprits, that have yet to wind up scarring lungs or causing cancer,” he adds.

For some, the OIG report shook their confidence in government. “Accurate and timely information from government is a cornerstone of good public health,” says Mt. Sinai’s Herbert. “By deleting good information to the public — people in their apartments, people on the pile — we lost opportunities for disease prevention.”

Francesca Lyman is an environmental and travel journalist and author of “Inside the Dzanga-Sangha Rain Forest” (Workman, 1998). She recently finished a report on the health effects of the Sept. 11 attacks titled “Messages in the Dust,” which will be available online at www.neha.org.

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EPA Covering Up Toxic Pollution at Ground Zero? 

By catseye in MLP 
Sat May 04, 2002 at 03:52:19 AM EST 
Tags: News (all tags) 
EPA Ombusdman Robert Martin resigned on Earth Day, and in his resignation letter accused EPA Administrator Christie Whitman of withholding data on toxic levels of pollution and poisons in the air at the World Trade Center for personal gain. 

According to Martin, Ms. Whitman is the wife of a former CitiGroup officer who now manages about $800 million of CitiGroup’s investments. CitiGroup owns Travelers’ Insurance, the insurance company of many buildings in the WTC area. He charges that because Ms. Whitman issued a statement that the air was fine, Traveler’s saved a lot of money by not having to pay claims. 

Apparently there are a number of complaints from rescue workers, residents, and cleanup crews of respiratory and other problems. 

The full article can be found at the Environmental News Service site. The article also contains links to other documents regarding pollution at the WTC site.

As of September 2009, 817 WTC workers have died; an estimated 70% of the 70,000-plus First Responders have declared illnesses; it is estimated by the World Trade Center Health Registry that 410,000 people have been ‘heavily exposed’ to WTC toxins (includes Responders), and may become seriously ill in the future. [source 911 HEALTH NOW] 

“Ironically, some of our supply of the anthrax antidoteCipro had been stored in the Command Center in 7 World Trade Center. Knowing that we lost whatever had been in 7 World Trade, I aked Richie if we were now entirely without cipro and Doxyecycline and the rest. He reassured me: “WE PREPARED FOR THIS. WE HAD ALREADY SPREAD THE ANTIDOTE THROUGHOUT THE FACILITIES IN ALL FIVE BOROUGHS.”
Page 358
LEADERSHIP Rudolph W Giuliani [KBE]

“For months, we had in place an exercise in which we’d drill on our responseto a bio/chem attack, specifically practicing for the distribution of medication. The planned date: Wednesday, september 12. We had stored much of the materials for THAT DRILL at pier 92. Pier 92 offered 125.000 square feet of open space and easy transportation to and from Ground Zero by way of boat and the Westside Highway. Moreover, Because IT WAS ALREADY IN USE BY THE MILITARY, the points of access were relatively easy to guard. Richie told me he’d pulled his OEM guys to start setting up pier 92 as a command center. My most optimistic expectation would have been that even a rudimentary replacement for the felled center at 7 world trade would be seven to ten days. By saturday morning, we held our fist meeting.”
-”Sir Rudy” aka Mr 911
Page 355
LEADERSHIP-Rudolph W Giuliani

Did Rudy say something wrong?

 “the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed.” Major questions exist as to why FEMA would deny being in New York City prior to 9/11 without mentioning the 9/12 bioterror drill. These questions must now be addressed as the initial suspicions of those who learned of the Tom Kenney statement have been clearly validated. The coincidental presence of a large FEMA team in NYC at the location, Pier 92, which became the Command Center for the entire emergency operation is disturbing. An alert press and a legitimate 9-11 Commission should have raised this issue long ago. [Scoop]

“We’re currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the city of New York for *THIS DISASTER, We arrived on late Monday night, and went into action on Tuesday morning. And not until today did we get a full opportunity to work the entire site.”
-Tom Kenny FEMA-USAR
Tasks Force Mass.
13 Sept 2001

“THIS DISASTER”
-Tom Kenny 

“On the third night we had a guy arrested who followed ONE OF THE Urban Search and rescue Teams. He had an orange jump suit on with a backpack, and he was wearing a helmet that said Rescue across the back. He had a book of some kind and followed one team and broke off from them after they were. He did a little shopping in the stores down on the concourse. Someone else tried to accompany ANOTHER USAR team down, but it leader was a pretty sharp guy from MASSACHUSETTS (Tom Kenney) “This guy is not one of ours,” he said.” You may want to check him out,” We called one of our cops over and found a ton of watches and cell phones in his backpack. They arrested him” 
Page 164 
FDNY Assistant Chief of Department 
Harry Meyers 
Report from Ground Zero 
(Dennis Smith) 

“We got there TWENTY MINUTES after the towers came down and Parked on the other side of City Hall. Someone brings us an ESU officer who was wandering. We put him our truck for accountability purposes. Behind his eyes you could see he was really shaken up he would just look at you. We said, “you’re all right. Your with us now.” 
All he answered is “They came down.” I said, “I Know they came down.” We staged by the Woolworth Building and get a roster of who is missing and who is not. We then go to stuyvesant High School and from there to ground zero, where we see what kind of equipment we can salvage. FEMA WAS ACTIVATED, AND THEY SHOWED UP WITH EQUIPMENT THAT HAD TO BE STACKED.” 
NYPD Police Officer
Anita Rosato 
Emergency Services Unit, Truck 10 
Page 126 Report from Ground Zero 
(Dennis Smith FDNY Ret) 

Day 2 September 12:
“Later as it begins to get dark”

“I see the first squad of Urban Search and Rescue Teams pass by and I know they are specially prepared, equipped, and paid by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.” 
Page 198 
Report From Ground Zero (Dennis Smith)

 “Some of them HAVE ALREADY ARRIVED, for I saw the group from Seattle and another from Texas, all in very identifiable dark blue coveralls, with the initials USAR in large letters across their backs. Each team includes about fifty men and womenn specially trained in rescue work.”
Page 203
Report From Ground Zero 
(Dennis Smith) 

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

“When I got up to 23(Tower1) it was kind of quiet on the floor–very dark, I saw some firefighters moving around, but not any command post or chiefs. The hallway was full of debris where I was walking, debris about three feet high covering a whole section of the hallway. I was puzzled as to what it was, because I know the plan had hit way above.”
-FDNY Lieutenant 
Mickey Cross
Engine 16
Page 72 Report from Ground Zero
Dennis Smith

“Ten Minutes before the building collapse (North tower), Paddy Brown got on the department radio to say there were many seriously burned victims on the thirty six floor, Then he called “MAYDAY MAYDAY,’ Chief Haydon tried to raise him in return: “Paddy Brown, Paddy Brown!’ But no one ever heard from him again. It was reported later that somebody warned him: ” We gotta get out, Paddy.” Paddy Only Replied, “We gotta get these people out.”
-Dennis Smith
Page 266
Report From Ground Zero 

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

“My biggest concern at that time was #7. It was burning, and I felt that was a danger to the rescuers and to any trapped survivors there might be. We decided to keep the command post back on Chambers and to keeps all but our necessary people out….

We were all pretty much on board that tower 7 was going to fall. We just didnt know when and which direction. Everybody forgets about 7, but that building was
fourty-seven stories, and that in itself would have been a ver major event. We couldnt fight the fire in tower 7 because we didnt have enough water. All the water mains were down. What water we had was being supplied by the boats, through large- diameter hose. It would have been a chaotic situation, in any event, trying to get in there under those circumstances and fight that fire. The building did go down eventually, all fourty-seven floors, about 5 o’clock….

When the building came down it was completly involved in fire, all fourty-seven stories. The rush of heat and burning papers landed under the cars and [set thirty or fourty of them on fire].”

Assistant Chief of Department Harry Meyers
Page 161 Report From Ground Zero (Dennis Smith)

“On Grenwich I saw, a few Battalion Chiefs coming up on the side streets. I told them to get some lines stretched in and to start to put out some of the car fires before the tanks started going. I told them to keep the guys back and not to treat. Them like car fires [but] like BOMBS.”
page 161
Assistant Chief of Department
Harry Meyers
Report From Ground Zero(Dennis Smith)

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large
  

During the weeks following the World Trade Center disaster, when “free time” did not exist, I carved out hours to learn more about the issues that had been forced upon the city, to seek out sources of both knowledge and inspiration. When I read, Im a devoted underliner. Shortly after September 11th, Judith [Nathan] got me a copy of Yossef Bodansky’s “Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War On America”.
Soon it was covered in highliter and notes. I met with Bodansky to discuss his book and sat down with Henry Kissinger to talk about world terrorism and get his perspective on its history and ramifications.”
-Rudy
Page 291
Leadership Rudolph W Giuliani [KBE]

Another of ads BBDO pitch to me was to feature an older gentleman running the bases at Yankee Stadium. After he slides into home, the cloud of dust reveals Henry Kissinger saying, “Derik Who?” The ad people werent sure Dr Kissinger would go for it, but I was certain he would. Henry’s a big baseball fan and even bigger supporter. More than that, it would be on behalf of the city in which his own dreams had been fufilled. When I brought Henry Kissinger to Ground Zero, He told me it was worse than anything he’d seen in Berlin after World War 2.
-Rudy
Page 377
Leadership Rudolph W Giuliani [KBE]

Note:
BBDO – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BBDO is a worldwide advertising agency network, with its headquarters in New York. Formed through a merger of BDO (Barton,*…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBDO - Options

1998 I appointed Dr Neal Cohen as my Health Commisioner, There was some critism over the fact that HE WAS A PSYCIATRIST. 

… As it turned out HIS UNDERSTANDING NOT JUST OF THE MEDICAL INFORMATION BUT OF EMOTIONAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT OF CRISIS WAS CRITICAL TO OUR HANDLING of West Nile virus, SEPTEMBER 11, AND THE THREATENED ANTHRAX EPIDEMIC.”
-Rudy
Page 46
Leadership (Rudolph W Giuliani)

“I hear an EXPLOSION and I look up. It is as if THE BUILDING IS BEING IMPLODED, FROM THE TOP DOWN, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.” 
FDNY Captain Dennis Tardio 
Engine Company 7 
Page 18 Report From Ground Zero 
(Dennis Smith FDNY Ret)

“As Im starting to pick up her personal effects, we heard this rumbling.*BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. Its coming, this roaring sound. The lights flicker,*but as I look outside to see whats going on, I start to see what unitially looks like a storm, but*it was the dust cloud starting to form from way up on top of the building.*All of a sudden, I could see the facade of the south tower falling against battery park city.*And then all hell broke loose and BOOM BOOM BOOM. Everything came crashing In.*A tremendous wind comes Through”
Captain Tim Pearson
NYPD PSA (Police Service Area 2)
Page 136
Report From Ground Zero
(Dennis Smith)

Note: The NYPD Captain was operating inside the lobby of the North Tower when the booms started before the South Tower began to collapse.

(After surviving the intitial collapse) ” As I’m reporting that I have people trapped, tower 1, the north building came down. I began running again and got caught by the big storm, the second go-round. At this point, I’m totally wasted. I am also totally disoriented, and I’m choking, and I’m thinking how it appeared that the building was falling down on top of me, right there by Trinity church. Thank God it imploded, as opposed to falling over”
-Captain Tim Pearson
NYPD PSA (Police Service Area 2)
Page 138 
Report From Ground Zero
Dennis Smith (FDNY Ret)

Day 2, September 12: 
“THE DESTRUCTION AT THE WTC IS A CLEAR-CUT ACT OF TERRORISM, BUT IN READING THE PAPERS THIS MORNING I FIND THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE NOT CONVINCED THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.” 
Dennis Smith FDNY Ret. 
Page 190 
Report From Ground Zero 
(Dennis Smith) 

Day 2, September 12: 
“Mayor Giuliani is on television this morning, and it seems he has the media under control. He Has undoubtedly made a decision to speak for the city and that all information will be supplied by a single voice,his. He promises to appear each day at a 10 o’Clock press conference. He had been on 50th street and Fifth avenue when word of the first crash came, and he rushed down to his bunker,at #7. But not long after he arrived, the south tower collapsed and he had to leave through the basement. He went to 75 Barclay street, but that area was also determined to be unsafe so he traveled to the firehouse of ladder 5 on th avenue and Houston street, where he worked for a few hours” 
Dennis Smith 
Pages 190-191 
Report from Ground Zero 
(Dennis Smith FDNY Ret)

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

“Yama ‘ Architech Of Terror”

“The World Trade Center was Yamasaki’s most prestigious, highly visible commission. Its would-be levelers were, presumably, a band of terrorist who packed a van with explosives and detonated it in the basement garage. There intention was to blow out the supporting collums along one wall of tower 2, causing it to keel over and tople against its twin. Yamasaki HAD ENGINEERED HIS TOWERS TO WITHSTAND THE FORCE OF A 747 SHEARING INTO THEM-THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO OF AN EARLIER, MORE “INNOCENT” ERA-and though shaken by february 93 blast, his squared-off tubes remained standing.  6 People died, but scores of thousands might have if the collums had failed. Though the terrorist had used sufficient explosives to the job, according to Eugene Faso, The Port Authority’s Chief Engineer, “They had built the wrong kind of bomb’ ”
Page 117
“Divided We Stand: A Biography of New York’s World Trade Center” 
Eric Darton (1999)

In point of fact, the CIA, the NSA, the FAA and NORAD had planned and trained for just such a possibility. Indeed, the record shows training exercises involving such a potential attack had in fact been carried on at the Pentagon in October, 2000 and May, 2001, and that NORAD had begun planning in July, 2001, for a training exercise in which the premise would be that a hijacked airliner was crashed into the World Trade Center.
-Retired Army officer April Gallop, a ranking specialist with top secret clearance-
911 Pentagon Attack Survivor

October 27, 2001 (C): Furious government intelligence officials accuse the NSA of destroying data pertinent to the 9/11 investigation. They claim that possible leads aren’t being followed because of the NSA lack of cooperation. [Boston Globe, 10/27/01]

Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort to defame the terrorist leader throughout the Middle East.

The details are outlined in a Washington Post article by investigative reporter and former Army Intelligence case officer Jeff Stein…

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.”
-J. Edgar Hoover

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

Lord, open up the peoples eyes and cause them to trust, nevermore, in the animal farm of “powers and principalities and rulers in high places” i.e., foxes, wolves,serpents, swine, and other blood-lust creatures. Thanks Paul.
“The preservation of a free government requires not merely, that the
metes and bounds which separate each department of power be invariably
maintained; but more especially that neither of them be suffered to
overleap the great Barrier which defends the rights of the people. The
Rulers who are guilty of such an encroachment, exceed the commission
from which they derive their authority and are Tyrants. The people who
submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by an
authority derived from them, and are slaves.” –James Madison

What video of bin Laden have you seen that defamed him, Paul?

What’s the “right” kind of bomb to build, when 600 kg of high explosives didn’t even cut one column in 1993, Paul? And what computer modeling was used to determine that a 500-mph 767 with almost 10,000 gallons of fuel aboard wouldn’t cause a tower to collapse?
Leslie Robertson is the PE of record for both WTC towers, and he thinks the C/D “theory” is absurd.

“Where’s that mountain of evidence”
says our bought and paid for “debunker”
as it comes crashing down on his head.

|http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2007/03/anatomy-of-false-flag-terror-attack.html|
False-Flag Terrorism — Terrorist acts that appear to have been carried out by a certain group or nation, who are quickly named as the responsible party or parties, when in fact, the terrorist event was carried out by another group entirely. A perfect example of false-flag terrorism could be found within the 9/11 false-flag event. It was blamed on Osama Bin Laden and nineteen Arab hijackers, when there is plenty of evidence pointing to 9/11 as an inside job.

All False-Flag Terror Attacks have some of or all of the following characteristics:

(1) The terror incident can be stated in terms of the Hegelian Dialectic, which is now more commonly known as Problem-Reaction-Solution.

(2) The Globalist Agenda has in some way progressed by the false-flag event.

(3) The event is but the latest in a long, prior history of domestic terror attacks.

(4) Suspects are named almost IMMEDIATELY after event, but NEVER enough in advance, as to actually prevent the attack from happening.

(5) News media endlessly replays video of the precise moment of the disaster. This is shown ad nauseum for the purpose of traumatizing the public. (psy-op).

(6) Shortly after the attack, freedom-destroying laws are rushed through Congress, typically in the middle of the night, or on a weekend, or any other day or time of day they feel will not draw too much attention, until the law is passed, when it is simply too late to do anything to stop it.

(7) Aspects of the attack draw upon tried and true methods of past attacks. Whether this is part of the attack itself, the propaganda surrounding it, or the desensitizing and preparation of the audience, the current attack will seem familiar, as it mimics aspects of past attacks.

(8) Simultaneous ‘terror drills’ or ‘public safety drills’ take place at the precise time of the false-flag event.

(9) Eye-witness reports vary greatly from the establishment version of events of what really took place during the attack. Witnesses who conflict with or contradict the official-fiction of the attack are badgered into silence by law enforcement and FBI special agents.

(10)Surveillance cameras in the immediate area of the attack are turned off, become mysteriously broken, or are simply turned away from the action.

(11) As soon as it is possible after the attack, the site is LOCKED-DOWN. No outside investigators are allowed anywhere near the site, and those who try, are almost always arrested. Truthful investigation is NOT allowed, and all physical evidence is DESTROYED ASAP.

(12) The sudden appearance of BOGUS EVIDENCE occurs, which is done to prop up the official-fiction of an event, in an attempt to bolster the event’s believability.

(13) A bogus investigation is conducted by a government panel riddled with conflicts of interest, such as happened with BOTH the Warren Commission and the 9/11 Commission. Only evidence that supports the government’s own official-fiction of the event is considered, while everything that proves the contrary is IGNORED.

(14) The head terrorist is trotted out at opportune moments, such as when Bush Jr’s approval ratings fall or when there is an election approaching.

(15) Further terrorists are recruited through the intelligence agencies, such as the CIA, MI5, and MI6, which then carry out further attacks. And the cycle endlessly repeats …

For more on this subject, please visit the following site:
http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2007/03/anatomy-of-false-flag-terror-attack.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yTgbZSATTU

~40,000 people worked at the “LOCKED DOWN” WTC site for nearly eight months, and they all managed to miss that “mountain of evidence,” but you certainly know more than they do. You also have as much evidence that the al Qaeda terror attacks of 9/11 were “false flag” as you do that I’m “bought and paid for.”

Well, according to official recorded transit authority transcript there were report of heavy. Smoke condition on the N&R line on Church and Courtland at 0847hrs. The fact that the T1 was impacted at 0846hrs 1123ft up with the transit report less then a minute from several hundred feet east & undergrand (below grade) 

William Rodrigues reported an texplosion sub-level, it seems more than likely that other factors were present. The Cortland at 1&9 lines were offially closed on 911 as per MTA. Also a reported drill scenario just one week prior

I have all backup material evidence on tape. On the Naudet video there’s whitish smoke coming out of wtc 
west st vents as the first units arrive on scene. It appears to coming from garage entrance vents and again In the lobbey. On the Evan Fairbanks video there appear burn victims injured being assisted from the mall area. There numerous burn injuries in front when the first firemen got on scene. A question that was asked by Captain Tardio E7: “How did these people get down the stairs so quick? 

Why didn’t he suspect fuel at that point?

Why didn’t he mention smelling the smell of heavy gas vapors?

If you search my previous post on Capt Pat Brown L3 (rip) about being on 23T1: and calling an urgent mayday 10minutes before the T1. collapse should raise serious questions on the issue of incidiaries on multible floors and sublevels.

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

Day 51, October 31 (HOLLOWEEN)
 

“I have been alarmed by a featured item in the morning paper. It was announced today that THE CITY(GIULIANI)  is reducing the presence at Ground Zero of the fire department,police department, and the port authority to 25 personnel from each uniformed service for each eight-hour shift.”

“Also, more than $200 million in gold and silver was recovered today from a vault deep in the basement area that was leased by the bank of nova scotia. This represents a significant treasure…”
Author-Dennis Smith
Page 335-336
Report From Ground Zero

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

To our knowledge, none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible. [9/11 Commission Report]

But right before the south tower collapsed, I noticed a lot of people just left the lobby, and I heard we had a crew of all different people, high-level people in government, everybody was gone, almost like they had information that we didn’t have. [Joseph Pfeifer, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)]

“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of
people with us.”
-Rudolph Giuliani

 Mark Loizeaux, the president of Controlled Demolition Incorporated, a Maryland-based family business that specializes in reducing tall buildings to manageable pieces of rubble. “Within a nanosecond,” he told me. “I said, ‘It’s coming down. And the second tower will fall first, because it was hit lower down.’ ”

 ”I thought, Somebody’s got to tell the Fire Department to get out of there,” Loizeaux told me. “I picked up the phone, dialled 411, got the number, and tried it–busy. So I called the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management”–which was in 7 World Trade. “All circuits were busy. I couldn’t get through.”
-John Seabrook “WHY THE TOWERS FELL

Paul Isaac Jr (NYsentinel at Large)

George Bush Senior Referring To 9/11, Says His Son “Passed the Test.”
October 27, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Brasscheck George W. Bush’s biggest accomplishment according to his demon father was the way he handled 9/11.

Then he SMILES when he refers to “this 9/11.”

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“I wonered if the Vice President was in charge.”

 
“Mr Mayor, the Vice President will be on the line.” “My intention was to speak to the Vice president and then immediately relkay what he told me to the people of New York through the press, who were being assembled outside be members of Sunnys’ staff. Within a second or two, the line went dead. For the moment,  “A few minutes after ten o’clock, we felt and heard a thunderous roar but did not know what had actually occured. Some thought the sound was a new attack, and THE WAY THE GROUND SHOOK (emf-Mine) made it feel like that. I was still on the telephone, hoping to be reconnected, when Joe Esposito yelled, “Its comming Down-everybody down!” “Since I was still in a back cubicle trying to speak to the Vice President, I didn’t hit the deck. In fact, when I heard the words “Tower” and “Down”, I imagined that the radio tower atop the World Trade center had fallen off.” 
Page 11 Rudolph W. GulianiLEADERSHIP with Ken Kurson Miramax books 2002
“We haven’t heard from him (Usama Bin Laden) in a long time,” Bush told reporters at the White House. “I truly am not that concerned about him.” March 14, 2002

“So we’ve never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming” – Dick Cheney. (32)

“If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.”
– George Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter

George Bush Senior Referring To 9/11, Says His Son “Passed the Test.”
October 27, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Brasscheck George W. Bush’s biggest accomplishment according to his demon father was the way he handled 9/11.

Then he SMILES when he refers to “this 9/11.”

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“I wonered if the Vice President was in charge.”

 
“Mr Mayor, the Vice President will be on the line.” “My intention was to speak to the Vice president and then immediately relkay what he told me to the people of New York through the press, who were being assembled outside be members of Sunnys’ staff. Within a second or two, the line went dead. For the moment,  “A few minutes after ten o’clock, we felt and heard a thunderous roar but did not know what had actually occured. Some thought the sound was a new attack, and THE WAY THE GROUND SHOOK (emf-Mine) made it feel like that. I was still on the telephone, hoping to be reconnected, when Joe Esposito yelled, “Its comming Down-everybody down!” “Since I was still in a back cubicle trying to speak to the Vice President, I didn’t hit the deck. In fact, when I heard the words “Tower” and “Down”, I imagined that the radio tower atop the World Trade center had fallen off.” 
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Rudolph W. GulianiLEADERSHIP with Ken Kurson Miramax books 2002

George Bush Senior Referring To 9/11, Says His Son “Passed the Test.”
October 27, 2009 · Leave a Comment

Brasscheck George W. Bush’s biggest accomplishment according to his demon father was the way he handled 9/11.

Then he SMILES when he refers to “this 9/11.”

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“I wonered if the Vice President was in charge.” ”Mr Mayor, the Vice President will be on the line.” “My intention was to speak to the Vice president and then immediately relkay what he told me to the people of New York through the press, who were being assembled outside be members of Sunnys’ staff. Within a second or two, the line went dead. For the moment,  “A few minutes after ten o’clock, we felt and heard a thunderous roar but did not know what had actually occured. Some thought the sound was a new attack, and THE WAY THE GROUND SHOOK (emf-Mine) made it feel like that. I was still on the telephone, hoping to be reconnected, when Joe Esposito yelled, “Its comming Down-everybody down!” “Since I was still in a back cubicle trying to speak to the Vice President, I didn’t hit the deck. In fact, when I heard the words “Tower” and “Down”, I imagined that the radio tower atop the World Trade center had fallen off.” 

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Rudolph W. GulianiLEADERSHIP with Ken Kurson Miramax books 2002

MSNBC – Afghanistan war plans were on Bush’s desk on 9/9/2001

President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaida two days before Sept. 11 but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, U.S. and foreign sources told NBC News. … The plan dealt with all aspects of a war against al-Qaida, ranging from diplomatic initiatives to military operations in Afghanistan, the sources said on condition of anonymity. [MSNBC]

Did Rudy say something wrong?

“… the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the
next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place
they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed.”  -Rudolph W Giuliani

“We’re currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the city of New York for THIS DISASTER. We arrived on late Monday night, and went into action on Tuesday morning. And not until today did we get a full opportunity to work the entire site.” - Tom Kenny FEMA-USAR / Mass.Sept 13, 2001

“THIS DISASTER”
- Tom Kenny

Freedom was never free
Blood Sweat & Tears

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

9/11 Victims – WTC Firefighters (343) 
Joseph Agnello, 35 – Ladder 118
Brian G. Ahearn, 43 – Engine 230
Eric Allen, 41 – Squad 18
Richard L Allen, 30 – Ladder 15
James Amato, 43 – Squad 1
Calixto Anaya, Jr, 35 – Engine 4
Joseph Angelini Jr, 38 – Ladder 4
Joseph Angelini Sr, 63 – Rescue 1
Faustino Apostol Jr, 55 – Battalion 2
David Arce, 36 – Engine 33
Louis Arena, 32 – Ladder 5
Carl Asaro, 39 – Battalion 9
Gregg A Atlas, 44 – Engine 10
Gerald T Atwood, 38 – Ladder 21
Gerard Baptiste, 35 – Ladder 9
Gerard Barbara 53 – CTC
Matthew Barnes, 37 – Ladder 25
Arthur T Barry, 35 – Ladder 15
Steven Bates, 42 – Engine 10
Carl J Bedigian, 35 – Engine 214
Stephen E Belson, 51 – Ladder 24
John P. Bergin, 39 – Rescue 5
Paul Beyer, 37 – Engine 6
Peter A Bielfeld, 44 – Ladder 42
Brian Bilcher, 37 – Squad 1
Carl V Bini, 44 – Rescue 5
Christopher J Blackwell, 42 – Rescue 3
Michael L Bocchino, 45 – Battalion 48
Frank Bonomo, 42 – Engine 230
Gary R Box, 37 – NYFD
Michael Boyle, 37 – Engine 33
Kenin Bracken, 37 – Engine 40
Michael E. Brennan, 27 – Ladder 4
Peter Brennan, 30 – Ladder 4
Daniel J Brethel, 43 – Ladder 24
Patrick J Brown, 48 – Ladder 3
Andrew Brunn, 28 – Ladder 5
Vincent Brunton, 43 – Ladder 105
Ronald P Bucca, 47 – FM
Gregory J Buck, 37 – Engine 201
William F Burke, 46 – Engine 21
Donald J Burns, 61 – CTC
John P Burnside, 36 – Ladder 20
Thomas M. Butler, 37 – Squad 1
Patrick Byrne, 39 – Ladder 101
George Cain, 35 – Ladder 7
Salvatore B Calabro, 38 – Ladder 101
Frank Callahan, 51 – Ladder 35
Michael F Cammarata, 22 – Ladder 11
Brian Cannizzaro, 30 – Ladder 101
Dennis M. Carey, 51 – Haz-Mat 1
Michael S Carlo, 34 – Engine 230
Michael Carroll, 39 – Ladder 3
Peter Carroll, 42 – Squad 1
Thomas A Casoria, 29 – Engine 22
Michael J Cawley, 32 – Ladder 136
Vernon P Cherry, 49 – Ladder 118
Nicholas P Chiofalo, 39 – Engine 235
John Chipura, 39 – Engine 219
Michael J Clarke, 27 – Ladder 2
Steven Coakley, 36 – Engine 217
Tarel Coleman, 32 – Squad 252
John M Collins, 42 – Ladder 25
Robert Cordice, 28 – Squad 1
Ruben D Correa, 44 – Engine 74
James J Corrigan, 60 – Engine 320 Ret
James R Coyle, 26 – Ladder 3
Robert J Crawford, 62 – Safety Battalion 1
John A Crisci, 48 – Haz-Mat 1
Dennis Cross, 60 – Battalion 57
Thomas P. Cullen III, 31 – Squad 41
Robert Curatolo, 31 – Ladder 16
Edward A D’Atri, 38 – Squad 1
Michael D D’Auria, 25 – Engine 40 NYFD
Scott M Davidson, 33 – Ladder 118
Edward J Day, 45 – Ladder 11
Thomas P DeAngleis, 51 – Battalion 8
David P De Rubbio, 38 – Engine 226
Manuel Del Valle, Jr, 32 – Engine 5
Martin N DeMeo, 47 – Haz-Mat 1
Andrew Desperito, 43 – Engine 1
Dennis L Devlin, 51 – Battalion 9
Gerard Dewan, 35 – Ladder 3
George DiPasquale, 33 – Ladder 2
Kevin W Donnelly, 43 – Ladder 3
Kevin Dowdell, 46 – Rescue 4
Raymond M Downey, 63 – Spec Ops
Gerard Duffy, 53 – Ladder 21
Martin J Egan, Jr, 36 – Division 15
Michael J Elferis, 27 – Engine 22
Francis Esposito, 32 – Engine 235
Michael Esposito, 41 – Squad 1
Robert Evans, 36 – Engine 33
John J Fanning, 54 – Haz-Mat Op
Thomas Farino, 37 – Engine 26
Terrence P Farrell, 45 – Rescue 4
Joseph D Farrelly, 47 – Division 1
William M Feehan, 71 – FDC
Lee S Fehling, 28 – Engine 235
Alan D Feinberg, 48 – Battalion 9
Michael C Fiore, 46 – Rescue 5
John R Fischer, 46 – Ladder 20
Andre G Fletcher, 37 – Rescue 5
John J Florio,33 – Engine 214
Michael N. Fodor, 53 – Squad 1
Thomas Foley, 32 – Rescue 3
David J Fontana, 37 – Squad 1
Robert J Foti, 42 – Ladder 7
Andrew Fredricks, 40 – Squad 18
Peter L. Freund, 45 – Engine 55
Thomas Gambino, Jr, 48 – Rescue 3
Peter J Ganci, Jr, 54 – Chief
Charles W Garbarini, 44 – Battalion 9
Thomas Gardner, Jr, 48 – Rescue 3
Matthew D Garvey, 37 – Squad 1
Bruce Gary, 51 – Engine 40
Gary Geidel, 44 – Rescue 1
Edward F Geraghty, 45 – Battalion 9
Denis P Germain, 33 – Ladder 2
Vincent F Giammona, 40 – Ladder 5
James A Giberson, 43 – Ladder 35
Ronnie E. Gies, 43 – Squad 288
Paul John Gill, 34 – Engine 54
John F Ginley, 37 – Engine 40
Jeffrey J Giordano, 45 – Ladder 3
John Giordano, 47 – Engine 37
Keith Glascoe, 38 – Ladder 21
James M Gray, 34 – Ladder 20
Josew Guadalupe, 37 – Engine 54
Joseph Grzelak, 52 – Battalion 48
Geoffrey E Guja, 49 – Battalion 43
Joseph Gullickson, 37 – Ladder 101
David Halderman, 40 – Squad 18
Vincent G Halloran, 43 – Ladder 8
Robert Hamilton, 43 – Squad 41
Sean S Hanley, 35 – Ladder 20
Thomas Hannafin, 36 – Ladder 5
Dana R Hannon, 29 – Engine 26
Daniel E Harlin, 41 – Ladder 2
Harvey Harrell, 49 – Rescue 5
Stephen G Harrell, 44 – Battalion 7
Timothy Haskell, 34 – Squad 18
Terence S Hatton, 41 – Rescue 1
Michael Haub, 34 – Ladder 4
Philip T Hayes, 67 – Engine 217, Ret
Michael K Healey, 42 – Squad 41
John F Heffernan, 37 – Ladder 11
Ronnie L Henderson, 52 – Engine 279
Joseph Henry, 25 – Ladder 21
William Henry, 49 – Rescue 1
Thomas Hetzel, 33 – Ladder 13
Brian Hickey, 47 – Rescue 4
Timothy Higgins, 43 – Spec Ops
Jonathan R Hohmann, 48 – Haz-Mat 1
Thomas Holohan, 36 – Engine 6
Joseph Hunter, 31 – Squad 288
Walter G Hynes, 46 – Ladder 13
Jonathan Lee Ielpi, 29 – Squad 288
Frederick Ill, Jr, 49 – Ladder 2
William R Johnston, 31 – Engine 6
Andrew Jordan, 36 – Ladder 132
Karl H Joseph, 25 – Engine 207
Anthony Jovic, 39 – Battalion 47
Angel L Juarbe, Jr, 35 – Ladder 12
Mychal F Judge, 68 – Chaplain
Vincent D Kane, 37 – Engine 22
Charles L Kasper, 54 – SOC Battalion
Paul H Keating, 38 – Ladder 5
Thomas W Kelly, 50 – Ladder 15
Thomas R Kelly, 39 – Ladder 105
Richard J Kelly, Jr, 50 – Ladder 11
Thomas J Kennedy, 36 – Ladder 101
Ronald T Kerwin, 42 – Squad 288
Michael Kiefer, 25 – Ladder 132
Robert King, Jr, 36 – Ladder 11
Scott Kopytko, 32 – Ladder 15
William E Krukowski, 36 – Ladder 21
Kenneth Kumpel, 42 – Ladder 25
Thomas Kuveikis, 48 – Squad 252
David Laforge, 50 – Ladder 20
William D Lake, 44 – Rescue 2
Robert Lane, 28 – Engine 55
Peter J Langone, 41 – Squad 252
Scott Larsen, 35 – Ladder 15
Joseph G Leavey, 45 – Ladder 15
Neil J Leavy, 34 – Engine 217
Daniel F Libretti, 43 – Rescue 2
Carlos R. Lillo, 37 – Paramedic Battalion 49
Robert T Linnane, 33 – Ladder 20
Michael Francis Lynch, 30 – Engine 40
Michael F Lynch, 33 – Ladder 4
Michael J Lyons, 32 – Squad 41
Patrick Lyons, 34 – Squad 252
Joseph Maffeo, 31 – Ladder 101
William J Mahoney, 37 – Rescue 4
Joseph Maloney, 45 – Ladder 3
Joseph R Marchbanks, Jr, 47 – Battalion 57
Charles J Margiotta, 44 – Battalion 22
Kenneth J Marino, 40 – Rescue 1
John Marshall, 35 – Ladder 27
Peter C Martin, 43 – Rescue 2
Paul R Martini, 37 – Engine 201
Joseph A Mascali, 44 – Tactical Support 2
Keithroy M Maynard, 30 – Engine 33
Brian McAleese, 36 – Engine 226
John K McAvoy, 47 – Ladder 3
Thomas McCann, 45 – Battalion 8
William E McGinn, 43 – Squad 18
William McGovern, 49 – Battalion 2
Dennis McHugh, 34 – Ladder 13
Robert D McMahon, 35 – Ladder 20
Robert McPadden, 30 – Engine 23
Terence A McShane, 37 – Ladder 101
Timothy P McSweeney, 37 – Ladder 3
Martin E McWilliams, 35 – Engine 22
Raymond Meisenheimer, 46 – Rescue 3
Charles Mendez, 38 – Ladder 7
Steven Mercado, 38 – Engine 40
Douglas C Miller, 34 – Rescue 5
Henry A Miller, Jr, 51 – Ladder 105
Robert Minara, 54 – Ladder 25
Thomas Mingione, 34 – Ladder 132
Paul T Mitchell, 46 – Battalion 1
Louis J Modafferi, 45 – Rescue 5
Dennis Mojica, 50 – Rescue 1
Manuel Mojica, 37 – Squad 18
Carl Molinaro, 32, 32 – Ladder 2
Michael Montesi, 39 – NYFD
Thomas Moody, 45 – Division 1
John Moran, 42 – Battalion 49
Vincent S Morello, 34 – Ladder 35
Christopher Mozzillo, 27 – Engine 55
Richard Muldowney, Jr, 40 – Ladder 7
Michael D Mullan, 34 – Ladder 12
Dennis M Mulligan, 32 – Ladder 2
Raymond E Murphy, 46 – Ladder 16
Robert B Nagel, 55 – Engine 58
John Napolitano, 32 – Rescue 2
Peter A Nelson, 42 – Rescue 4
Gerard Terence Nevins, 46 – Rescue 1
Dennis O’Berg, 28 – Ladder 105
Daniel O’Callaghan, 42 – Ladder 4
Thomas O’Hagan, 43 – Battalion 4
Patrick J O’Keefe, 44 – Rescue 1
William O’Keefe, 48 – Division 15
Kevin O’Rourke, 44 – Rescue 2
Douglas E Oelschlager, 36 – Ladder 15
Joseph J Ogren, 30 – Ladder 3
Samuel Oitice, 45 – Ladder 4
Eric T Olsen, 41 – Ladder 15
Jeffrey J Olsen, 31 – Engine 10
Steven J Olson, 38 – Ladder 3
Michael Otten, 42 – Ladder 35
Jeffrey M Palazzo, 33 – Rescue 5
Orio J Palmer, 45 – Battalion 7
John M Paolillo, 51 – Battalion 11
Frank A Palombo, 46 – Ladder 105
Paul J Pansini, 35 – FM
James N Pappageorge, 29 – Engine 23
Robertr Parro, 35 – Engine 8
Durrell V Pearsall, 34 – Rescue 4
Glenn C Perry, 41 – Ladder 25
Philip S Petti, 43 – Battalion 7
Kevin Pfeifer, 42 – Engine 33
Kenneth Phelan, 41 – Engine 217
Christopher Pickford, 32 – Engine 201
Shawn E Powell, 32 – Engine 207
Vincent Princiotta, 39 – Ladder 7
Kevin Prior, 28 – Squad 252
Richard Prunty, 57 – Battalion 2
Lincoln Quappe, 38 – Rescue 2
Michael Quilty, 42 – Ladder 11
Ricardo J Quinn, 40 – Paramedic Battalion 57
Leonard J Ragaglia, 36 – Engine 54
Michael Ragusa, 29 – Engine 29
Edward Rall, 44 – Rescue 2
Adam D Rand, 30 – Squad 288
Donald J Regan, 47 – Rescue 3
Robert M Regan, 48 – Ladder 118
Christian M O Regenhard, 28 – Ladder 131
Kevin O Reilly, 28 – Engine 207
Vernon A Richard, 53 – Ladder 7
James C Riches, 29 – Engine 4
Joseph Rivelli, 43 – Ladder 25
Michael Roberts, 30 – Ladder 35
Michael E Roberts, 31 – Engine 214
Anthony Rodriguez, 36 – Engine 279
Matthew Rogan, 37 – Ladder 11
Nicholas P Rossomando, 35 – Rescue 5
Paul G Ruback, 50 – Ladder 25
Stephen P Russell, 40 – Engine 55
Michael T Russo, Sr, 44 – Special Ops
Matthew L Ryan, 54 – Battalion 1
Thomas E Sabella, 44 – Ladder 13
Christopher Santora, 23 – Engine 54
John A Santore, 49 – Ladder 5
Gregory T Saucedo, 31 – Ladder 5
Dennis Scauso, 46 – Haz-Mat 1
John A Schardt, 34 – Engine 201
Frederick C Scheffold, Jr 57 – Battalion 12
Thomas G Schoales, 27 – Engine 4
Gerard P Schrang, 45 – Rescue 3
Gregory Sikorsky, 34 – Squad 41
Stephen G Siller, 34 – Squad 1
Stanley S Smagala Jr, 36 – Engine 226
Kevin J Smith, 47 – Haz-Mat 1
Leon Smith Jr, 48 – Ladder 118
Robert W Spear, Jr, 30 – Engine 50
Joseph Spor Jr 35 – Ladder 38
Lawrence T Stack, 58 – Battalion 50
Timothy M Stackpole, 42 – Division 11
Gregory Stajk, 46 – Ladder 13
Jeffrey Stark, 30 – Engine 230
Benjamin Suarez, 34 – Ladder 21
Daniel Suhr, 37 – Engine 216
Christopher P Sullivan, 39 – Ladder 111
Brian E Sweeney, 29 – Rescue 1
Sean P Tallon, 26 – Ladder 10
Allan Tarasiewicz, 45 – Rescue 5
Paul A Tegtmeier, 41 – Engine 4
John P Tierney, 27 – Ladder 9
John J Tipping II, 33 – Ladder 4
Hector L Tirado, Jr, 30 – Engine 23
Richard B Van Hine, 48 – Squad 41
Peter A Vega, 36 – Ladder 118
Lawrence G Veling, 44 – Engine 235
John T Vigiano II, 36 – Ladder 132
Sergio Villanueva 33 – Ladder 132
Lawrence Virgilio, 38 – Squad 18
Robert F Wallace, 43 – Engine 205
Jeffrey P Walz, 37 – Ladder 9
Michael Warchola, 51 – Ladder 5
Patrick J Waters, 44 – Spec Ops
Kenneth T Watson, 39 – Engine 214
Michael T Weinberg, 34 – Engine 1
David M Weiss, 41 – Rescue 1
Timothy M Welty, 34 – Squad 288
Eugene Whelan, 31 – Engine 230
Edward J White III, 30 – Engine 230
Mark P Whitford, 31 – Engine 23
Glenn E Wilkenson, 46 – Engine 238
John P Williamson, 46 – Battalion 6
David T Wooley, 54 – Ladder 4
William X Wren, 61 – Ladder 166, Ret
Raymond R York, 45 – Engine 285

9/11 Victims – WTC Firefighters

THE UNOFFICIAL HOME PAGE OF FDNY New York City Fire Department

RIP

NEVER FORGET

FREEDOM WAS NEVER FREE

BLOOD SWEAT & TEARS

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large
FDNY Aux/ Lt Aux-Fire Corps E207 E294 E10
NYC Civil Defence

“You also have as much evidence that the al Qaeda terror attacks of 9/11 were ‘false flag’ as you do that I’m ‘bought and paid for.’”
| August 10, 3:57 am |

Your posts speak volumes regarding your cozy relationship with the system;
which you feel, has been very good to YOU.
Biting the hand that keeps you so comfy,
is not something readers are likely to see here anytime soon.
Should you ever wake up to the fact that the system is shafting YOU and *your family*,
and you decide to care that it’s happening:
it will effect the way you post here, and readers will notice the difference.

Right now, you’re too smug
because you’re too comfortable.
All that could change overnight.
The noose is tightening as you blog here
providing a smokescreen for the “September criminals”.

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“In 1913, America’s leaders were bribed and bamboozled by mostly foreign bankers and their US agents.
Our leaders committed treason by giving these bankers the power to create money out of thin air backed only by the credit, i.e. taxes, of the American people. The U.S. government now borrows its own money from international bankers and pays them interest to the tune of $360 billion per annum for the privilege.” – Henry Makow Ph.D.

-

http://uncensored.co.nz/2009/11/24/fed-beaten-bill-to-audit-federal-reserve-passes-key-hurdle/

“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” (Daniel 12:1-2)

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels” (Revelation 12:7)

The demon that is strongest in December is Moloch or Molech. 

He is a fallen angel in Paradise Lost II, 4 described as the fiercest Spirit That fought in Heav’n; now fiercer by despair.
-Milton’s Paradise Lost

Century X-66 
“The Chief of london by rule of America,The Island of Scotland shall be be tempered by frost,Kings an Priest shall have one,who is a false Antichrist.Who will put them altogether in discord”. 
–British and American leaders united in a political venture, shall set up a dictator, who shall in the end betray both leaders and common people. 

Century X-49 
“Garden of the world, near the New City,In the way of the man-made mountains,Shall be siezed upon and plunged into a ferment,Being forced to drink sulphurous poisoned waters.” 
–This startling prophecy of a catastrophic event at a pleasure resort not far from the great New City, predicts a tremendous tidal wave of poisoned waters that shall sweep in from the resort and overwhelm the man made like skyscrapers of the city. (The complete prophecies of Nostradamus) Translated, Edited and Interpreted By Henry C. Roberts Copyright 1947

 One who is ugly, wicked and infamous will come to power,
And tyrannize all of MESOPOTAMIA.
He will make friends by seducing them,
And the land will be made horribly black by destruction.
Nostradamus VIII, 70

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (Revelation 12:9) 

“Many were the glorious deeds of 
Micheal the Archangel, who, in valiant in warfare, won the victory”
-Psalm 98

“O Glorious Prince of the heavenly host, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the terrible warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits. Come to the aid of man, whom Almighty God created immortal, made in His own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of Satan

“According to Enoch, It would seem that the rebel watchers took mortals into their beds, and their mistresses gave birth to “giants” who were virtually ungovernable. They began to “devour” human beings and develped a tast for blood.”

“The offspring of the watchers became violent and war-like”

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The Atlantis BluePrint

 When the jews return to zion
and a comet rips the sky

When The Holy Roman Empire Rises
then you and I must die

From the eternal sea he rises
creating armies either shore

Turning man against his brother
till man exist no more

-The Anti-Christ (The Omen)

New Comet Visible in Early *Morning Sky

A recently discovered comet is surprising skywatchers by becoming brighter than predictions had first suggested and can now be seen with the unaided eye during the next few weeks

A question to the “Watchers” watching this…

What side do “you” play for?

BlackLight Ghost Dancers

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

“After 30 years of teaching in the Engineering and Science Dept at Virginia Tech, I am now retired but still involved in performing research and writing technical papers. I have been involved in low-speed aerodynamics specialized in the analysis of wind load on low-rise structures.

About two years ago after hearing and reading the work by David Ray Griffin, I decided to look into the history of the collapse of the World Trade center towers. It is clear to me that the official explanation including the evidence presented by the 9/11 Commission is inadequate to explain the collapse of the towers.

I am convinced that a new independent commission with complete subpoena power should be installed to find out the complete truth of 9/11. If we don’t the same thing may happen in the future.”

Henry W. Tieleman, BS Ag, BS CE, MS Mechanics and Hydraulics, PhD CE – Professor Emeritus, Engineering Science and Mechanics, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University.

Dr. Tieleman has obviously never read the 9/11 Commission Report if he thinks it was intended to explain the WTC collapses, Keith, and most likely didn’t read the NIST reports either.
Btw, when are you going to explain how Orio Palmer could have seen the fires 4 stories above him from a stairwell on the 78th floor of the South Tower?

You need to wake up to the fact that we were attacked (again) by al Qaeda on 9/11, Philip, regardless of how much spamming Paul Isaac does on here.
Instead of listing the 343 FDNY firefighters killed in the WTC, he should list all of their comrades who are in the 9/11 “truth movement.” He might come up with three or four.

Stanley Prainmath was at point zero impacted zone and walked throught the fire zone via stairwell all the way.

He reported sprinkler activation
He wasn’t wearing turnout gear

chief Orio Palmer (RIP) and FM Ronald Bucca (RiP)
reached the impacted zone.

Chief Orio Palmer stated “We have a house-Line Stretched,
we could use some water”

“We need 2 lines(6 men) have two isolated pockets of fire”

FM Ronald Bucca wasn’t wearing modern turn-out gear only a turn our coat meaning his legs wouldve recieved major burn injuries like Capt John Drennen(RIP) who survived major burns along with two other members before there was turn-out gear.

Chief Pamer mentioned numerous 10-45 (1) dead bodies which means they had visibility to the floor meaning there was no secondary flash over after initial explosion

Meaning temperatures never reach flash out/ roll over temperatures

So much for spamming…

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

Typing Correction:

Captain John Drennen survived for 40 days after a backdraft. two other FD/MOSs lost their lives at the same event.

This was before full turn-out gear was issued for FDNY

So Stanley Prainmath along with several other civilians
who walk through the fire zone from above all passed it with out fire protection apparel.

Chief Orio Palmer stated ” We have a House-Line stretched”

Question: Who was he reffering to with ” We” ?

Some more spam…

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

Flashover

By Ret. Chief Vincent Dunn

Flashover! It is the most dangerous time of a fire. When the room bursts into flame, flashover has occurred. The scientific definition of flashover states it is caused by the radiation feedback of heat. Heat from the growing fire is absorbed into the upper walls and contents of the room, heating up the combustible gases and furnishings to their auto-ignition temperature. This build up of heat in the room triggers flashover. Flashover signals several major changes in a fire and is the end of an effective search and rescue in a room; It means the death of any person trapped in the blazing room – either civilians or firefighters. It signals the end of using a portable extinguisher to extinguish the fire; an attack hose-line is required after flashover occurs. It signals the end of the growth stage and that the fire is in the second stage of combustion – the fully developed stage. Finally, flashover signals the change from a contents to a structure fire. This is the beginning of the collapse danger. When operating at a fire, Chiefs and firefighters want to delay flashover inside a burning room. By delaying flashover you can “buy” several minutes which may be critical. For example, you may want to delay flashover to make a search and rescue of the burning room or allow a firefighter to go above a fire to make a rescue of a trapped victim. Or, you may want to delay flashover to gain several minutes when there is a delay in the placement of the first attack hose-line. Three ways to delay flashover:venting: By venting windows of a burning room you release the build up of heat in the room. This slows down flashover in addition to improving visibility in a smoke-filled room. not venting- by not venting and instead closing the door to the burning room, you can also delay flashover. By not venting, you starve the fire of oxygen, which slows down the combustion rate, which slows down the build up of heat in the room. (See chart for when to vent and when not to vent.) This may be done when there is a delay in stretching a hose-line and all persons are out of the burning room. portable extinguisher: The discharge of a portable extinguisher can cool the heat down in a burning room temporarily and delay flashover. To avoid getting trapped by flashover, firefighters must know the warning signs of flashover.

Warning signs of flashover There are two warning signs, which may signal the danger of flashover: heat mixed with smoke and “rollover.”

Heat: When heat mixes with smoke, it forces a firefighter to crouch down on hands and knees to enter a room to perform search and rescue. This must be considered a warning sign that flashover may occur. Heat is the triggering event for flashover. If the heat in the smoke filled room causes us to crouch down near the floor, we must consider the danger of flashover.

Rollover: Rollover is defined, as sporadic flashes of flame mixed with smoke at ceiling level. Rollover is caused by heated combustible gases in smoke, which ignites into flashes of flame when mixed with oxygen in the air. Rollover precedes flashover. Rollover is another warning sign of flashover, which may be seen in the smoke coming out of the tops of doorways or window openings of burning rooms before flashover occurs. When searching for the location of a fire and there is no discernible heat in the smoke or signs of rollover, firefighters may enter and proceed for some distance into a fire area. However, If one of these warning signs is discovered and a flashover danger exists, defensive search procedures must be used by firefighters. Standard tactics and procedures must be curtailed and defensive search and rescue procedures substituted when there is a danger of flashover.

Defensive search procedures:There are two defensive search procedures that can reduce the risk of death and injury from flashover: At a doorway: A firefighter should check behind the door for the victim, then enter the hallway or room not more than five feet, sweep the floor, look for unconscious persons, call out and listen for a response. If no response is forthcoming, close the door and wait for the hose-line. As the attack hose-line advances, conduct a search and rescue behind the line, searching room and space outward from the hose-line. At a window: When climbing a ladder placed at a window and the window breaks from either the heat of the fire or because it is opened by the firefighters at the top of the ladder, and smoke and signs of rollover are seen in the smoke, the firefighter should not enter the burning window. Instead the firefighter should crouch down below the heat and sweep the area below the windowsill with a tool. In some instances a person may collapse at the window and fall right below the sill. If a victim is found, a firefighter on the ladder might be able to crouch below the heated smoke and flashes of flames mixed with smoke coming out the window and pull the victim to safety on the ladder.

Point of no return

After a flashover occurs, firefighters may have past the point of no return. The point of no return is a distance inside a burning room beyond which a searching firefighter will not escape and will not reach the door or window entered. How far inside a burning room can a firefighter be and still escape back out the door alive and not suffer serious bums after a flashover occurs? How far into the burning room that appears about to flashover should a firefighter go? Five feet is the point of no return after the room explodes into a flashover. We can figure this distance out by putting together several facts. For example, tests conducted in 1960 in California discovered that fire temperatures of 280′-320′ F cause intense pain and damage to exposed skin. Also the average temperature in a room that flashes over is 1000′ to 1500′ F. And, time and motion tests in the Handbook of Fire Protection reveal that the average person moves 2-1/2-feet per second when walking. Now, the question is how long can a firefighter take 1000′-1500′ F on the neck, ears, wrists and any other exposed portion of the body? I say two seconds. If there is 1000′ F flame in a burning room that has just flashed over and a firefighter is five feet inside the room, and crawls back to the doorway at 2-1/2-feet per second, he will feel 1000′-1500′ F on exposed portions of skin not covered by fire gear for two seconds. If you say you can enter 10 feet into a room about to flashover and it does, and you try to escape you will experience 1000′ -1500′ F on the exposed portions of your body for four seconds. Think about it.

Lessons learned Firefighters should know the definition of flashover. They should know the warning signs of this danger heat in smoke and rollover. Also firefighters must know how to delay flashover – a room bursting into flames. And most important for firefighters’ safety and survival, they must know defensive firefighting procedures – how to search and stay alive.

 
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Flashover

For other uses, see Flashover (film) and Electric arc.
A flashover is the near simultaneous ignition of all combustible material in an enclosed area. When certain materials are heated they undergo thermal decomposition and release flammable gases. Flashover occurs when the majority of surfaces in a space are heated to the autoignition temperature of the flammable gases (see also Flash point). Flashover normally occurs at 500 °C (930 °F) or 1,100°F for ordinary combustibles, and an incident heat flux at floor level of 1.8 Btu/ft²*s (20 kW/m²)[1].

An example of flashover is when a piece of furniture is ignited in a domestic room. The fire involving the initial piece of furniture can produce a layer of hotsmoke which spreads across the ceiling in the room. The hot buoyant smoke layer grows in depth, as it is bounded by the walls of the room. The radiated heat from this layer heats the surfaces of the combustible materials in the room, causing them to give off flammable gases via pyrolysis. When the surface temperatures become high enough, these gases ignite.

Hide Different types of gaseous flashover

The original Swedish terminology related to the term ‘flashover’ has been altered in its translation to conform with current European and North American accepted scientific definitions as follows:

A lean flashover (sometimes calledrollover) is the ignition of the gas layer under the ceiling, leading to total involvement of the compartment. The fuel/air ratio is at the bottom region of the flammability range.
A rich flashover occurs when the flammable gases are ignited while at the upper region of the flammability range. This can happen in rooms where the fire subsided because of lack of oxygen. The ignition source can be a smouldering object, or the stirring up of embers by the air track. Such an event is known as ‘backdraft’.
A delayed flashover occurs when the colder gray smoke cloud ignites after congregating outside of its room of origin. This results in a volatile situation, and if the ignition occurs at the ideal mixture, the result can be a violent smoke gas explosion. This is referred to as smoke explosion or fire gas ignition depending on the severity of the combustion process.
A hot rich flashover occurs when the hot smoke with flammable gas ratio above the upper limit of flammability range and temperature higher than the ignition temperature leaves the compartment. Upon dilution with air it can spontaneously ignite, and the resultant flame can propagate back into the compartment, resulting in an event similar to a rich flashover. The common definition of this process is known as auto-ignition which is another form of fire gas ignition.
Flashover is one of the most-feared phenomena among firefighters. Firefighters are taught to recognize flashovers and avoid backdrafts. For example, they have certain routines for opening a closed door in a building on fire, such as sitting beside the door instead of in front of it, and to be ready to fight shooting flames.

A firefighter has under 5 seconds to evacuate a flashover environment, even if wearing properNFPA approved gear.[citation needed]

Hide Flashover indicators

The following are some of the signs that firefighters are looking for when they attempt to determine whether a flashover is likely to occur.

The fire is in a ventilated compartment, so there is no shortage of oxygen in the room.
The neutral plane is moving down towards the floor. In this situation, a flashover is plausible.
All exposed combustible materials are showing signs of pyrolysis.
“Rollover” or tongues of fire appear (known as “Angel Fingers” to firefighters).
There is a rapid buildup of heat. This is generally the best indication of a flashover.
Firefighters memorize a chant to help remember these during training: “Thick dark smoke, high heat, rollover, free burning.”

The color of the smoke is often considered, as well, but there is no connection between the color of the smoke and the risk of flashovers. Traditionally, black, dense smoke was considered particularly dangerous, but history shows this to be an unreliable indicator. For example, there was a fire in a rubber mattress factory in London in 1975 which produced white smoke. The white smoke wasn’t considered dangerous, so firefighters decided to ventilate, which caused a smoke explosion and killed two firefighters. The white smoke from the pyrolysis of the rubber turned out to be extremely flammable.

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

You would think with all that “gas”
the inferno wouldve flashed alot sooner

Then again…

You’re an outright liar, Paul, or else very ignorant of the facts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1g3OAOiOP0

http://www.debunking911.com/fire.htm

Show me where the lie is, Albury

1. You aren’t a fireman

2. When someone starts insulting, it usually indicates
inferiority complex with an inability to form reasonable agument

3. All my “evidence” comes from first hand source not
non-connected peopl with speculation

So please retort like a grown-up and stop
w/ your childish insults

thank you

have a nice day

Battalion Seven Chief: “Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here.”
Ladder 15: “Alright ten-four, we’re on our way.”

9:52 a.m.

Battalion Seven Aide: “Seven Alpha for Battalion Seven.”
Battalion Seven Chief: “South tower, Steve, south tower, tell them…Tower one. Battalion
Seven to Ladder 15. “Fifteen.”
•Battalion Seven Chief: “I’m going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay.”
Ladder 15: “Alright ten-four, we’re coming up the stairs. We’re on 77 now in the B stair, I’ll be right to you.”
Ladder 15 Roof: “Fifteen Roof to 15. We’re on 71. We’re coming right up.”

Note: “We have a house-Line stretched we could use some water” Chief Orio Palmer

Ipso Facto: Controlable fire

Orio Palmer Patient Experiences
Jul 30, 2010 … On 911 Chief Orio Palmer(RIP) Stated upon reaching the … “We have a house line stretched we could use some water. …
http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Orio_... – Options
Lost Voices of Firefighters, Some on 78th Floor. – 9-11 Research
Battalion Seven Chief: “We’re going to have to hoof it. … We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, … Two hose lines are needed, Chief Orio Palmer says from an upper floor of the badly …
911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/gu… – Options

September 11th FDNY Radio Transcripts – Wikisource
Feb 25, 2010 … 9/11 Commission Report …. Bat.7 Chief Orio Palmer. Go ahead Battalion Nine. Bat.9 Chief …. We have a house line stretched we could get some water on it, knock it down, ‘kay? …
en.wikisource.org/wiki/Septembe… – Options

Fire Dept Tape Invalidates Key Points Official 911 Story
You get over to the A Stair and help out Chief Palmer. …. Battalion Nine Chief : “Orio, I’m going to try and get a couple of CFRD engines on the … We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, …

Note: Official source

Show me where Im lying

Cause I was there that morning, were you?

Subject: 102 minutes that changed the world (9/11) Part 3

05:55 Videographer from 2 blocks north on west st mentions the smell of burning  wires & metal

Not fuel

Once again…

Subject: 102 minutes that changed the world (9/11) Part 3

05:55 Videographer from 2 blocks north on west st mentions the smell of burning  wires & metal

Not fuel

Also

I heard that a number of people were burnt in the elevator because of falling jet fuel. IT COULD BE TRUE THAT THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THERE WERE AT LEAST SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE BUILDING WHEN WE CAME IN THAT WERE BADLY BURNED. So there must have been some type of BLAST somewhere. I was wondering how they got burned, and I remember saying to myself,HOW DID THEY GET DOWN THE STAIRS SO FAST?” 
-FDNY Deputy Chief Hayden 
Commander, Division 1
Page 32
Report From Ground Zero
Dennis Smith (FDNY Ret)

1. the Deputy/Div Chief is speculating on the cause of the burn injuries? Doesn’t mention gas smell

2. a guy filming from 2 blocks (102 minutes video) away smells burning wire & metal (no gas)

 
 Why ?

Friday 14 September 200-

“I had to be at a meeting that wasn’t on my schedule. I didn’t even mention it to my closest staff. The topic was biological and chemical warfare, which I feared would be the next terrorist move. ”Page 357
Leadership Rudolph Giuliani 

Friday 14 September 2001-

“I scheduled our first meeting for 11PM., Specifically to keep it secret from the press lest word of it further unsettle an already rattled city. Thats also why I held it at gracie mansion. The sight of these people-some of whom were well known in the scientific community as experts on Biological attack-might trigger concern if they came to the emergency management center. Richie Scheirer, Jerry Haurer, and the Police Commisioner, The fire commisioner, health commisioner Neal Cohen and his assistant commisioner for infectious diseaces, Dr. Marcello Layton, OEMs’ Edward Gabriel, and Dario Gonzalez and I spent several hours with people like Dr. Burt Meyers, an infectious disease expert at Mt Sinai School of Medicine, Dr. Martin J. Blaser, the Chairman of NYUs Department of Medice, and Dr. Josh Lederberg, who had won the Nobel prize.” We recieved plans related to possible attacks involving anthrax, smallpox, botulism, and sarin gas. We established charts for each-how one would detect the first sign, how much time each individual would have to act once the symptoms appeared. How would each be delivered ? Page 358 (Leadership) Rudolph W Giuliani

“Ironically, some of our supply of the anthrax antidoteCipro had been stored in the Command Center in 7 World Trade Center. Knowing that we lost whatever had been in 7 World Trade, I aked Richie if we were now entirely without cipro and Doxyecycline and the rest. He reassured me: “WE PREPARED FOR THIS. WE HAD ALREADY SPREAD THE ANTIDOTE THROUGHOUT THE FACILITIES IN ALL FIVE BOROUGHS.”PAGE 358Leadership Rudolph W Giuliani

“We prepared for this”*
-Richie Shierer OEM

Why would there be a need to worry about another antrax antidote*distribution site if it wasnt already know that WTC7 was going*to be destroyed???

How did they know the next event would antrax???

12 Sept 2001 Wednesday morning, JUDITH WAS THE FIRST TO SAY TO ME, ” You Know, nobody is checking in.” I asked her what she meant–then relized that we had recovered some people on Tuesday, but none after that. I got reports throughout the night, and we weren’t taking anybody out. We kept the capacity in place, hoping, praying. It was a terrible disappointment. ”
Pages 343
LEADERSHIP Rudolph W Giuliani

“Jerry (Hauer) and Judith told me they wanted me to look at it (Pier 94), and if I agreed with them they’d work ourt the transition (Family Center) with Ro and that “going slowly’ would mean only two or three days.” 
Page 347 LEADERSHIP Rudolph W Giuliani

*“In a purely volunteer capacity, Judith teamed up Richie Sheirer (OEM), Rosemarie O’Keefe, and Jerome Hauer to transform 125.000 square feet on a pier in the Hudson River into a shelter for the thousands of families of victims.”Page 
Page 356 
LEADERSHIP Rudolph W Giuliani

“Judith had been a nurse for many years, and afterward a pharmaceutical executive; she had managed a team of people and had many organiztional skills. Further, she ahd a wide ranging scientific knowledge and research expertise, as I had discovered when she helped me through my fight with cancer.” 
Page 21 LEADERSHIP Rudolph W Giuliani 

I turned my attention to my loved ones. As we walked in the street, I asked the police to provide extra security for my family. I called Donna to tell her I already had sent extra security to evacuate Gracie Mansion (WHICH WE KNEW FROM PRIOR INTELLIGENCE REPORTS WAS A POSSIBLE TARGET), and we agreed that she would stay overnight in New Jersey with the children. Then I called Judith Nathan, who had been by my side for two difficult years. Our relationship at that point was very public, and SHE TOO, HAD RECIEVED THREATS. I THOUGHT THOSE ATTACKING OUR CITY MIGHT GO AFTER HER, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE SHE WAS SAFE.”
Page 17
Leadership Rudolph Giuliani

If 911 was a surprise event how was judith nathan recieving threats*from Rudolph Giuliani.

Who were the threats from if the hi-jackers were using fake Ids?

NY Firefighters Want
Investigation Into WTC Collapse
From American Patriot Friends Network
From Jim McMichael jmcm5@lycos.com
1-7-2

These articles were brought to my attention by a friend: Ken at NCEpanacea@aol.com:
 
1. The NY Daily News paraphrase and interview with Bill Manning, Editor of Fire Engineering 2. Manning’s original Fire Engineering editorial, January 2001. 3. Another Fire Engineering editorial, same issue.
 
The third article affirms the plane wrecks by suicide hijackers, affirms the collapse of the WTC by fire — but most compelling, observes that WTC is “[t]he first total collapse of a high-rise during a fire in United States history.”
 
Ahem. Quite a landmark event. Most remarkable, given the statements in NYDN editorial that: “The World Trade Center is not the only lightweight, core construction high-rise in the U.S. It’s a typical method of construction.”
 
But the US Government (FEMA etc.) is moving rapidly to destroy the evidence, cutting it up and selling it for scrap without serious investigation — eerily reminiscent of the Murrah Building (OKC) destruction and cleanup, and of the quarantine and excavation of the site where scores of Branch Davidians died in Waco.
 
Row, row, row your boat … truth is whatever they tell us it is.
 
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LINK
 
Note: If you want to see on its original web page through the URL above, I suggest you get it today. Otherwise, it may be available only through the archives.
 
From News and Views – City Beat Friday, January 04, 2002 Firefighter Mag Raps 9/11 Probe
 
By Joe Calderone NY Daily News Chief of Investigations 1-4-2
 
A respected firefighting trade magazine with ties to the city Fire Department is calling for a “full-throttle, fully-resourced” investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.
 
A signed editorial in the January issue of Fire Engineering magazine says the current investigation is “a half-baked farce.”
 
The piece by Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old monthly that frequently publishes technical studies of major fires, also says the steel from the site should be preserved so investigators can examine what caused the collapse.
 
“Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happy Land social club fire? … That’s what they’re doing at the World Trade Center,” the editorial says. “The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.”
 
Fire Engineering counted FDNY Deputy Chief Raymond Downey, the department’s chief structural expert, among its senior advisers. Downey was killed in the Sept. 11 attack.
 
John Jay College’s fire engineering expert, Prof. Glenn Corbett, serves as the magazine’s technical editor.
 
A group of engineers from the American Society of Civil Engineers, with backing from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has been studying some aspects of the collapse. But Manning and others say that probe has not looked at all aspects of the disaster and has had limited access to documents and other evidence.
 
A growing number of fire protection engineers have theorized that “the structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers,” the editorial stated.
 
A FEMA spokesman, John Czwartacki, said agency officials had not yet seen the editorial and declined to comment.
 
Norida Torriente, a spokeswoman for the American Society of Civil Engineers, described her group’s study as a “beginning” and “not a definitive work.”
 
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has joined a group of relatives of firefighters who died in the attack in calling for a blue-ribbon panel to study the collapse.
 
“We have to learn from incidents through investigation to determine what types of codes should be in place and what are the best practices for high-rise construction,” Manning told the Daily News. “The World Trade Center is not the only lightweight, core construction high-rise in the U.S. It’s a typical method of construction.” ___
 
LINK
 
“Burning Questions…Need Answers”: FE’s Bill Manning Calls for Comprehensive Investigation of WTC Collapse
 
FAIR LAWN, NJ, – Bill Manning, Fire Engineering’s editor in chief, is summoning members of the fire service to “A Call to Action.” In his January 2002 Editor’s Opinion, “$elling Out the Investigation” (below ), he warns that unless there is a full-blown investigation by an independent panel established solely for that purpose, “the World Trade Center fire and collapse will amount to paper- and computer-generated hypotheticals.” Manning explained: “Clearly, there are burning questions that need answers …. The lessons about the buildings’ design and behavior in this extraordinary event must be learned and applied in the real world.”
 
In an interview with the New York Daily News today, Manning reiterated his call for a “full-throttle, fully resourced” investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center. He is asking members of the fire service to read “WTC ‘Investigation’? A Call to Action” in the January 2002 issue of Fire Engineering and at fireengineering.com and to contact their representatives in Congress and officials in Washington to ask that a blue ribbon panel be convened to thoroughly investigate the WTC collapse.
 
Among those also calling for the investigation are Sally Regenhard, the mother of Christian Regenhard, the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) probationary firefighter killed in the World Trade Center (WTC) attack, and founder of the Campaign for Skyscraper Safety; Give Your Voice, a civilian relatives’ group headed by Michael Cartier, who lost his brother in the collapse; prominent structural engineers and fire-safety experts, and New York State Senators Charles Schumer and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
 
[Continuing text from the Fire Engineering page]
 
$elling Out the Investigation By Bill Manning
 
Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire? Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not. But essentially, that’s what they’re doing at the World Trade Center.
 
For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices and performance under fire conditions is on the slow boat to China, perhaps never to be seen again in America until you buy your next car.
 
Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history. I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall.
 
Hoping beyond hope, I have called experts to ask if the towers were the only high-rise buildings in America of lightweight, center-core construction. No such luck. I made other calls asking if these were the only buildings in America with light-density, sprayed-on fireproofing. Again, no luck-they were two of thousands that fit the description.
 
Comprehensive disaster investigations mean increased safety. They mean positive change. NASA knows it. The NTSB knows it. Does FEMA know it?
 
No. Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the “official investigation” blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a “tourist trip”-no one’s checking the evidence for anything.
 
Maybe we should live and work in planes. That way, if disaster strikes, we will at least be sure that a thorough investigation will help find ways to increase safety for our survivors.
 
As things now stand and if they continue in such fashion, the investigation into the World Trade Center fire and collapse will amount to paper- and computer-generated hypotheticals.
 
However, respected members of the fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating theory has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers. Rather, theory has it, the subsequent contents fires attacking the questionably fireproofed lightweight trusses and load-bearing columns directly caused the collapses in an alarmingly short time. Of course, in light of there being no real evidence thus far produced, this could remain just unexplored theory.
 
The frequency of published and unpublished reports raising questions about the steel fireproofing and other fire protection elements in the buildings, as well as their design and construction, is on the rise. The builders and owners of the World Trade Center property, the Port Authority of New York-New Jersey, a governmental agency that operates in an accountability vacuum beyond the reach of local fire and building codes, has denied charges that the buildings’ fire protection or construction components were substandard but has refused to cooperate with requests for documentation supporting its contentions.
 
Some citizens are taking to the streets to protest the investigation sellout. Sally Regenhard, for one, wants to know why and how the building fell as it did upon her unfortunate son Christian, an FDNY probationary firefighter. And so do we.
 
Clearly, there are burning questions that need answers. Based on the incident’s magnitude alone, a full-throttle, fully resourced, forensic investigation is imperative. More important, from a moral standpoint, for the safety of present and future generations who live and work in tall buildings-and for firefighters, always first in and last out-the lessons about the buildings’ design and behavior in this extraordinary event must be learned and applied in the real world.
 
To treat the September 11 incident any differently would be the height of stupidity and ignorance.
 
The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.
 
The federal government must scrap the current setup and commission a fully resourced blue ribbon panel to conduct a clean and thorough investigation of the fire and collapse, leaving no stones unturned.
 
Firefighters, this is your call to action. Visit WTC “Investigation”?: A Call to Action, then contact your representatives in Congress and officials in Washington and help us correct this problem immediately.
 
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LINK
 
WTC “INVESTIGATION”?: A CALL TO ACTION
 
Never again! In the wake of the World Trade Center, we are left with many thoughts-thoughts of friends lost, thoughts of devastated families, thoughts of the tremendous impact on so many lives for so many years to come. Yet, we-America’s fire service-are left with one critical thought: How can we prevent a disaster like this from ever happening again?
 
Yes, it was the terrorist pilots who slammed two jetliners into the Twin Towers. It was the ensuing fire, however, that brought the towers down. Make no mistake about it: This high-rise collapse was no “fluke.” The temperatures experienced and heat release rates achieved at the World Trade Center could be seen in future high-rise fires.
 
There are many, many questions to be asked by us about the World Trade Center collapse and its implications on high-rise firefighting across the nation. Some questions are political, many are technical, others are philosophical. Here are a few (in no particular order) to think about.
 
* Given the typical resources of most fire departments, can we be expected to handle every high-rise fire thrown at us? When was the last time your city manager asked you for a complete list of resources that you need to fight a high-rise fire, including personnel? When was the last time a high-rise building owner asked if you would like him to install a special “firefighter elevator” for your exclusive use during a high-rise fire? When was the last time a building code committee called up a “downtown” battalion chief and asked him what he thought of the unlimited area and height provisions found in all of the model building codes-is it OK if we allow a 400-story building in your battalion, Chief? The bottom line is, Can we really handle high-rise fires adequately? Who are we kidding? Isn’t this the “big secret” that Chief Vincent Dunn has been talking about for years?
 
* Beware the truss! Frank Brannigan has been admonishing us for years about this topic. It has been reported that the World Trade Center floors were supported by lightweight steel trusses, some in excess of 50 feet long. Need we say more?
 
* Modern sprayed-on steel “fireproofing” did not perform well at the World Trade Center. Haven’t we always been leery about these materials? Why do many firefighters say that they would rather fight a high-rise fire in an old building than in a modern one? Isn’t it because of the level of fire resistance provided? How much confidence do we have in the ASTM E-119 fire resistance test, whose test criteria were developed in the 1920s? ASTM E-119 is an antiquated test whose criteria for fire resistance do not replicate today’s fires.
 
* The defend-in-place strategy was the wrong strategy at the World Trade Center. Many of those who ignored the directions to “stay where you are” are alive today because they self-evacuated. Do you still use defend-in-place strategies for large high-rise fires? When should you use them, and when should you not?
 
* We can see live broadcasts from Afghanistan, but we can’t communicate via radios in many high-rise buildings. What gives?
 
There are many more questions, more than we have answers for. What is clear is that things must change. Where do we begin? By putting things in perspective. The World Trade Center disaster was
 
* The largest loss of firefighters ever at one incident. * The second largest loss of life on American soil. * The first total collapse of a high-rise during a fire in United States history. * The largest structural collapse in recorded history.
 
Now, with that understanding, you would think we would have the largest fire investigation in world history. You would be wrong. Instead, we have a series of unconnected and uncoordinated superficial inquiries. No comprehensive “Presidential Blue Ribbon Commission.” No top-notch National Transportation Safety Board-like response. Ironically, we will probably gain more detailed information about the destruction of the planes than we will about the destruction of the towers. We are literally treating the steel removed from the site like garbage, not like crucial fire scene evidence.
 
The World Trade Center disaster demands the most comprehensive detailed investigation possible. No event in our entire fire service history has ever come close to the magnitude of this incident.
 
We, the undersigned, call on FEMA to immediately impanel a “World Trade Center Disaster Review Panel” to coordinate a complete review of all aspects of the World Trade Center incident.
 
The panel should be charged with creating a comprehensive report that examines a variety of topics including determining exactly how and why the towers collapsed, critiquing the building evacuation procedures and the means of egress, assessing the buildings’ fire protection features (steel “fireproofing,” fire protection systems, etc.), and reviewing the valiant firefighting procedures employed. In addition, the Panel should be charged with preparing a detailed set of recommendations, including the critical changes necessary to our building codes. Please e-mail this (italicized) call to action to:
 
President George W. Bush (president@whitehouse.gov)
 
Senator Charles Schumer (senator@schumer.senate.gov)
 
Senator Hillary Clinton (senator@clinton.senate.gov)
 
FEMA Director Joe M. Allbaugh (director@fema.gov)
 
To obtain e-mail addresses for your representatives, go to; U.S. SENATE: http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm U.S. HOUSE: http://www.house.gov/writerep/
 
 
Francis L. Brannigan, SFPE Glenn P. Corbett, PE Deputy Chief (Ret.) Vincent Dunn, FDNY
 
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Hi Paul

Thanks for contributing !

Paul asks disingenuously:
“Show me where the lie is, Albury,” and then says

“You aren’t a fireman”

I already showed you exactly where the lie is, Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1g3OAOiOP0

http://www.debunking911.com/fire.htm

Orio Palmer never went higher in the South Tower than the 78th floor, which was a sky lobby, and those areas had much less combustible material on them than a regular office floor. He was also in a stairwell. The centerline of UA 175 hit 3 floors above there, and flames were coming out of nearly every window on the east side of the tower, from the 81st floor up to at least the 84th.
Did Palmer have X-ray vision?
Why would anyone need to be a fireman to realize something this obvious?
ANYONE saying that the fires in either tower were minor is either a liar or ignorant.

Paul: “Ipso Facto: Controlable [sic] fire”

There were no fires on many of the floors of each tower, Paul. Why not use them to “prove” that flames weren’t pouring out of the east side and part of the north side of the South Tower, from the 81st floor upward?
Jeezus, how dishonest can you get?

Here are photos of the “minor fires” in the South Tower, Paul:

http://www.debunking911.com/east5.jpg

Please note where the 78th floor is relative to them. Do fires like that go out by themselves in a few minutes in your little world? Do they spread upward, or down toward the 78th floor? Would you like to try knocking them down with two hoses, assuming you had water pressure, which Palmer didn’t?

There were probably a few minor fires on the 94th floor of the North Tower too, Paul:

http://www.debunking911.com/Fire.jpg

Google “SOLVING 9/11 BY CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN,” and you can read all of his crap. Bollyn’s almost as big a liar as David Ray Grifter.
Posted by albury | July 26, 2010, 11:39 am

Hey Albury,

We’re all liars now

World Trade Center 2:
There Was No Inferno

The official story of the WTC 2 inferno:

“The real damage in the World Trade Center resulted from the size of the fire. Each floor was about an acre, and the fire covered the whole floor within a few seconds.” [Nova] “At the 80th floor of WTC 2—in the northeast corner, where office furnishings had been deposited by the rapid path of the plane—the fire burns at such a high temperature that a stream of molten metal begins to pour over the side of the tower. The heat output from these fires will later be estimated to have been comparable to that produced by a large nuclear generating station.” [Civil Engineering]
Okay, let’s take a look…

[WTC 2] is struck obliquely, near a corner, so that the bulk of the fuel either explodes outside or is spewed, not into the tower’s interior, but out the other side in a wide arc into the street, where firefighters will report it pooling “ankle deep.”
So there was less igniter fuel, less fire, and less heat to contribute to the presumed meltdown. [teslapress]

Realmedia video of impact (800kB)

Dr. Frank Gayle, Metals Expert: “Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that’s what melted the steel. Indeed it didn’t, the steel did not melt.” [Firehouse.com]
Accounts of WTC 2 Impact Area Survivors

“Remembrance of Vijay” – a WTC victim on the 78th floor:
They had to head to the 78th floor elevator lobby. While in the lobby waiting for the elevator with a whole bunch of people, the second plane hit their tower. The lights went out on the floor and many people were hurt, some killed. The emergency lights came on and people were checking to see who was OK. Vijay was apparently unhurt, just covered in dust. He then got a fire extinguisher to put out some of the fires that were on the floor but the fire extinguisher didn’t work! [NYC Stories]

An account by Stanley Praimnath, a survivor from the 81st floor of WTC 2:

As he curled into a fetal position under his desk, the plane tore into the side of the building and exploded. Miraculously, Stanley was unhurt. However, he could see a flaming wing of the plane in the doorway of his department. … Stanley’s office resembled a battle zone–walls flattened into dusty heaps, office equipment strewn violently, flames flickering about and rubble everywhere. [ambassadoragency]

Have a good think about the account of Mr Praimnath. The plane impacted the floor he was on, and yet it he saw only flames flickering about. The WTC floors were open planned – there were no solid walls.

If the official account of the WTC fires were true then Mr Praimnath would not have survived because the floor he was on would have been consumed by an 800ºC inferno.

The fact that he is alive proves an inferno did not exist.

“The Ashen Guy” – another survivor from the 81st floor:
“There were about 230 people on the 81st floor and I was one of the last ones out. We took the stairs. There was smoke, but it wasn’t fire smoke, it was dry wall smoke and dust. The fire was above us.” [MrBellorsNeighborhood]

Okay, let’s go up:

The office of Euro Brokers on the 84th floor:
Most of the company’s trading floor there was annihilated. Yet even there — at the bull’s-eye of the airplane’s impact — other people were alive. [New York Times]

An account by Brian Clark, an 84th floor survivor:

“You could see through the wall and the cracks and see flames just, just licking up, not a roaring inferno, just quiet flames licking up and smoke sort of eking through the wall.” [BBC] The sprinkler system had turned on and had started to do something, but it wasn’t doing its job as it should, so there was water sloshing down the stairways. [Nova]

There were fires on floors 78 – 84 when Flight 175 hit the building, but there was no inferno.
These firefighters transmissions document that there was no inferno in the impact area of WTC 2 immediately before the collapse of the building.

There was no inferno in WTC 2 at any time.

The Madrid Skyscaper Fire

A graphic demonstration of an 800ºC inferno

See also:

Ewingsc,

How are doing,bud?

Hope everything good

strength & honor

Hail! Hail! Rock ‘n’ Roll !!!

Did you know that the Windsor Tower in Madrid was steel framed, but had a reinforced concrete core, Paul, and that the steel portion exposed to the fires collapsed? The only reason the entire structure didn’t come down is that the core held it up.

Btw, did you notice the “minor fires” on the 96th floor and above in the North Tower, and the 82nd floor and above in the South Tower? Would two hoses knock these down?

http://www.debunking911.com/east5.jpg

http://www.debunking911.com/Fire.jpg

Isn’t it interesting that this company also was contracted to do the cleanup after the Oklahoma City Bombing, then again for cleanup of the World Trade Center towers?

Giuliani replied by saying, “I didn’t realize the towers would collapse” He later added, “No one that I know of had any idea they*would implode. That was a complete surprise.”
—-
Note Giuliani’s use of the term “implode,” not “collapse.” IMPLOSION indicates controlled demolition with EXPLOSIVES !
—-
WNBC has obtained the transcript of Giuliani’s appearance with Jennings from the Giuliani 2008 campaign. This is the verbatim of the issue in question:

“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire*commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going
to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the  building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of
people with us.”

Mark Loizeaux, the president of Controlled Demolition Incorporated, a Maryland-based family business that specializes in reducing tall buildings to manageable pieces of rubble. “Within a nanosecond,” he told me. “I said, ‘It’s coming down. And the second tower will fall first, because it was hit lower down.’ ”

“I thought, Somebody’s got to tell the Fire Department to get out of there,” Loizeaux told me. “I picked up the phone, dialled 411, got the number, and tried it–busy. So I called the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management”–which was in 7 World Trade. “All circuits were busy. I couldn’t get through.”
-John Seabrook “WHY THE TOWERS FELL

As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where’s the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what’s the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the fuck told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that’s when the building came down, the first tower came down.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package…IC/9110161.PDF

Paul Isaac Jr (NYsentinel at Large)

For Ewingsc,

Remember Keyspan / Enron tanks demo 15 July 2001?

i had a vague premonition of 9-11 during a gas tank demolition in maspeth, NYC 2 months before the wtc attacks. i had a VIP pass and watched next to rudy guiliani. when they collapsed, the sky momentarily got dark even though it was a mostly sunny morning.. and it wasn’t because of dust or debris. something inhuman descended on the area long enough to announce to the dark recesses of my soul, ”i exist.. and i will be back.” i felt this foreboding. i felt something was on its way that was going to change us forever. but it was fleeting and i turned to my ex-g/f with a frown and she looked back at me with the same expression. and that was the end of it. i always wondered if rudy felt what i felt at the time.
i recently found out that Controlled Demolition, Inc., who brought those tanks down, also handled the 9-11 clean up.
-Feralmusic

Prothink Interviews NYC First Responder Paul Isaac » Prothink.org
Nov 24, 2007 … Paul Isaac is an Auxiliary Fireman and first responder. … Paul Isaac Jr ( Sentinel U.S.) …
http://www.prothink.org/2007/11/24/pro... – Options

Note: It should read [911] First Responder
Im just an aux[Civil Defence] not a civil servant [First Responder]

I had the Honor running with 10&10 “Ten House” (98/99)
for a little time in history the towers was my home.
a real bunch of great guys I miss “the Kitchen Table”
the house has changed so much

The Everyday Guys [CSs] do it all day everyday 24/7

I had the Honor again at the douche fire posting “Battle Colors” during 911 (pt2)

OLD GLORY had the Lead-Out that horrible day
we lost 2 more members 343 now goes to 345

For my Big Brothers I move the world to get justice
All Day Every Day

Paul Isaac Jr – NYsentinel@Large

Mr. Isaac,
In your 9/11 research, do you recall who made this statement:

“Note: Most 911truth idiots and morons will believe any garbage that comes from their 911twoof gods.”

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/08/11/reopen-911/

The albury Quiz.

You have been harassing this site every day for six months because

a) you’re bored

b) you’re a flagging, leathery alpha-male that can’t socialise – and has ‘Something To Prove’

c) You’re a disinfo

-fuckhead-

paid for by the people who brought the buildings down with explosives to muddy and misdirect any public internet discourse regarding Israel or 911.

d) You’re a brainwashed FOX viewer

and the -last- thing you want to or are capable of doing is considering that it may not have been arabs that perpetrated this crime

so you’re lashing out in outrage by spamming the site and poking people here in the chest over what they currently believe.

e) You’re one of those sorry ugly-on-the-inside twats that gets their thrills out of harassing and fighting with people.

f) You crave attention – because, right now, you don’t have any in your life

or

g) Other (please specify)

You can choose more than one answer … ’sport’.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/08/11/reopen-911/

“Hail! Hail! Rock ‘n’ Roll !!!”

Damn right.

“I Built these towers” “I know they won’t fall down”
-Guy Tozzoli former chief of the Port Authoritys World Trade Center Department & CEO of the World Trade Centers Association
Page 93
Divided We Stand
Eric Darton (1999)

Note: He stated this as he lead the WTCA Staff down 77 floors to safety during the 93 Bombing

Paul Isaac Jr-NYsentinel@Large

Rock N Roll Is Here To Stay
It Will Never Die

We don’t care what people say
Rock N Roll Is here to stay !!!

For those about to Rock
We salute you !!!

Rock ‘n roll is here to stay, it will never die 
It was meant to be that way, though I don’t know why 
I don’t care what people say, rock ‘n roll is here to stay 
(We don’t care what people say, rock ‘n roll is here to stay)
Rock ‘n roll will always be our ticket to the end 
It will go down in history, just you wait, my friend 
Rock ‘n roll will always be, it’ll go down in history 
(Rock ‘n roll will always be, it’ll go down in history) 
So come on, everybody rock, everybody rock, 
everybody rock, everybody rock 
Everybody rock 
Now everybody rock ‘n roll, everybody rock ‘n roll, 
everybody rock ‘n roll 
Everybody rock ‘n roll, everybody rock ‘n roll 
Rock ‘n roll will always be our ticket to the end 
It will go down in history, just you wait, my friend 
Rock ‘n roll will always be, it’ll go down in history 
If you don’t like rock ‘n roll, think what you’ve been missin’ 
But if you like to bop and strawl, come on down and listen
Let’s all start to have a ball, everybody rock ‘n roll 
Ah, oh baby, ah, oh baby, ah, 
oh baby, ah, oh baby, rock!

Aye.

This just in by email …

Meet with your congress members in your community:
August, September, October

We have a new approach to holding Congress accountable for the explosive evidence that they have been provided. We seek engagement and discourse with their scientifically qualified advisors. Our goal: an increasing momentum toward a new WTC investigation as we build support for a “standard bearer” to come forward.

We would like you to meet with your local congress members while they are back in your local area campaigning for your vote. Make the appointment now for mid-August, September, and mid-October.

We encourage you to also make appointments with their opposing candidates. These appointments should be easier to land and may be quite effective.

Here are the simple steps for you to take:

1. Make the 20 minute appointment with your congress member and senator themselves if possible at their local home office. Email us with the appointment name/city/date/time as soon as you get it to: CongressionalOutreach@ae911truth.org. Give us your name and phone number too. We will coordinate your appt with other local supporters who may wish to be involved. We may even be able to find an AE911Truth architect or engineer to accompany you. If the representative’s office won’t grant you an appointment directly with the congress member or senator then ask for an appointment with their technical advisor. State that you have information that is a matter of national security relative to the destruction of the 3 WTC skyscrapers on 9/11. Ask for a conference room with a DVD player. If they don’t have one you can bring a laptop to play the DVD on.

2. Show up on time, dressed for success, with your Companion Edition of 9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD – ready to play the 10 minute version (includes WTC 7 only).

3. Give the Presentation:

a. Introduce your party members in less than 1 minute – handing over business cards if you have them.

b. Introduce AE911Truth – 1200 architect & engineer petition signers calling for a new WTC investigation.

c. Play the 10 minute DVD.

d. Ask the congressperson / science adviser / staffer which points made the most impact for them. Show them the “Concise WTC 7 Question”. Ask for an answer to the question – in writing.

e. Hand them a copy of the petition (about 40 pages) with the 1,000 AE911Truth names and state that, “this represents 25,000 years of collective technical professional experience. Please take it seriously.”

f. Hand them copies of the “evidence cards” on the Twin Towers
and Building 7

g. Optional: Hand them the Misprision of Treason note and state simply, slowly, and carefully the following: “We believe that the information that we have provided you may be evidence of treason – and that we have fulfilled our responsibility as citizens to bring this troublesome matter to your attention today.”

h. Please don’t discuss anything outside of the technical points of evidence shown in the DVD “9/11: Blueprint for Truth” that was shown to the official.

i. Always be polite and professional.

j. In the case that the person you spoke with is not scientifically qualified ask for a referral to an advisor who is.

4. Please coordinate future correspondence with the advisor with Dave Slesinger at AE911Truth: CongressionalOutreach@ae911truth.org

5. We do expect that you will be able to get an appointment with someone in the office. In the rare occasion that you are not allowed an appointment then you may want to write a letter to the editor at your local newspapers noting such refusal (putting the congress member on notice) and citing the specific points of evidence for the destruction of the 3 WTC skyscrapers.

Our goal is to develop several dozen congressional science advisors who see the merit in our case – until such time that the pressure builds under one or more congress members who will eventually become standard bearers for our cause. This is a long term project – but with a set of immediate action steps.
We do need several volunteers to assist us at the national and regional levels for this campaign. If you can help please email us with your name, phone, city, state, and zip code – CongressionalOutreach@ae911truth.org

Thank you for your leadership in this time of need.

Richard Gage, AIA
And the grateful volunteers at
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Hotlinks here :

http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionalerts/2010/08/action_DCeventsDay3.php

Unfortunatly the politicians are way beyond approach by
their constituents

In the last days, the earth will again become corrupted to complete wickedness. Jesus told us, ”as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be” (Matthew 24:37). In the end times the world will become just as wicked as it was before the Flood. Because of today’s heightened fascination with the occult and spirit world, it is entirely plausible that fallen angels and humans will mix once again, creating terrible chaos to bring about the final wrath of God.

There is no more sanity or ethics within the political structure

You must now depend on you and your local community to
prepare for the negative economic wave that is approaching

Food prices will soar
Water will be a luxury

Stock provisions

I think we should investigate Richard Gage, ew, not the WTC collapses, which have already been investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242′, of the collapse of WTC 7’s facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet Box Boy claims that the entire 610′ collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368′ fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time for the entire visible portion of the collapse when NIST couldn’t because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
How could the towers have free fallen when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was falling so much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each were still intact? Was g increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds free fall would have taken:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4

yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He’s also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were pyroclastic, but there are no reports of anyone’s skin being instantly peeled off, and he’s claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was <100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn't leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevators shafts, has he ever looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so his "theory" doesn't even make sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower's main collapse was over.
We should investigate Richard Gage, as well as his "engineers."

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12

“I think we should investigate Richard Gage, ew,”

I think we should investigate you.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/#comment-13948

I just gave you plenty of reasons to investigate Gage and the 9/11 “truth movement,” ew. For what reason should I be investigated?

I believe “Albury” has a legit point

The commercialized “911twoof” that constanly panders for
donations on false premis should be eliminated

The real “seekers of truth” who seek justice are to be encouraged and assisted

There are plenty of frauds operating under the
banner of “truth” when actuality they criminals

Google:

NY Daily News – Discussions – Zadroga measure to help 9/11 …
20 posts – 5 authors – Last post: Jul 30
Paul Isaac Jr APO#12017-438136-17Pct. E-mail Letter to NYC-GOV Monday September 11, 2000 1657Hrs. …
http://www.nydailynews.com/../thread.jspa – Options

I support the proper legal criminal investigation into 911
But I zero tolerance regarding exploiting & profiting off the dead

Ground Zero is sacred ground by the innocent blood of the victims and the rescuers who gave their lives there

We are obligated to bring justice for them
& to protect them from exploitation of criminals
who have no souls

Paul Isaac Jr

6 min 48 sec into the video below

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7440129306993364432&pl=true#

Readers will find this very interesting.

You’ll find this even more interesting than liars defacing public property and bothering people, DA:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf

Be sure to notice how they “honor” the 9/11 victims:

http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf

I am well aware of the Ground Zero 2005 Anniversary incident

But like the current Ground Zero Mosque issue
It’s important to remember not to label the whole tree for a few rotten apple…

(Mohammad Salman -NYPD Police Cadet/EMT)
Far from being a terrorist, it turned out that, after he had learned of the attack on the Twin Towers, Salman had rushed to the scene and volunteered his services. When the towers collapsed, the debris also fell on Salman.

…Salman was also a devout Muslim.

The Quran explicitly condemns religious aggression and the killing of civilians. And it makes the distinction between jihad — legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement — and irjaf, or terrorism.

According to the Quran, those who practice irjaf “are going to hell.”
–Waleed El-Ansary
Islamic studies University of South Carolina

Paul Isaac Jr -NYsentinel@Large

@Albury,

On 911 many innocent people lost their lives and they no longer have a physical voice to speak

Do you remember the movie “poltergeist”?

When death comes sudden the person going through it might not be able to recognize that they passed on.
And their spirit might be trapped there.

They may be waiting in continued torment for a release from the between worlds of their pass life and the Light of Heaven

I’ve been told be people who work in the area that there have been sightings of ghost since 911 and I personal have gone to pray there many times for them because I can feel them

It is Holy Ground

Today’s Action Alert – #4:

Help us on Capitol Hill to deliver our AE911Truth VIP
packet to every member of Congress

The packet includes:

1. Introductory letter
2. The AE911Truth Petition with the first 1,000 architect/engineer names
3. Corporate brochure and evidence cards
4. DVD – 9/11: Blueprint for Truth – Companion Edition
5. Business card

This action will take place on September 7 and 8. AE911Truth will provide the materials.
This activity is primarily for those of you who are nearby or who are coming to meet your Congress members.
Meet us in Washington DC on Monday night (Labor Day) September 6 at a pre-arranged restaurant for coordination and socializing. Email us at CongressionalOutreach@ae911truth.org for details.

Join in on the action. Dress for success and always be polite.

You will simply say “Hi, I’m Joe Smith, I have a petition for the Congress member with the signatures of more than 1,000 architects and engineers concerned about a matter of national security relating to 9/11.
May I entrust it to you? Thank you!”

Keep a checklist of the offices where you have left a packet (Member name, House or Senate district, staffer’s name)
along with your name and contact information.
Submit your checklist to CongressionalOutreach@ae911truth.org or give it directly to the on-site AE911Truth staff.
Each evening (September 7 and after the work is done, have a beer with us that night at the pre-arranged restaurant.

Thanks for helping us – this will be a lot of fun!

http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionalerts/2010/08/action_DCeventsDay4.php

Mr. Isaac,

You have plenty of time to post this foolishness onto a discussion thread about Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth:

“Let’s all start to have a ball, everybody rock ‘n roll
Ah, oh baby, ah, oh baby, ah,
oh baby, ah, oh baby, rock!”
| August 11, 2010, 4:01 pm

But you can’t tell us who the author of this statement is:

“Note: Most 911truth idiots and morons will believe any garbage that comes from their 911twoof gods.” ?

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/#comment-13948

“When someone starts insulting, it usually indicates inferiority complex with an inability to form reasonable argument.”
August 10, 2010, 1:42 pm

@MCC

I posted it

Now get over yourself

Be glad none of your loved ones faced 911

Becarefull about what you call foolish

Cause now you’re just looking like an ass

Either Debunk the “evidence” or just shut the fuck up

Thanks for playing

Perhaps you didn’t see the last line of my post.

Wow

A truth bigot

I bet you cheered like a little girl when the towers fell

Now you’re acting like a pervert who gets off on insulting
veterans & victims of 911

Says slot about you skell

Must pay well, traitor

WTC close up of South Tower buckling

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rbfLLp7rBI&feature=youtube_gdata

Now try debunking the explosives in the video

You picked the wrong thread to hijack, Mr. Isaac.

You truly are in love with yourself

Now please debunk the numerous points of evidence

Or just keep looking like an ass

It’s your choice

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.”
-J. Edgar Hoover

@MCC ,

“The individual is handicapped”

Must have been referring to you

When you charge on to a discussion thread with numerous copy and paste posts,
did it ever occur to you to read the thread from the beginning?

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/comment-page-6/#comment-14041

Notice the overt censorship

Kind of funny seeing that here…

When it comes to “Charging”
I’ve been doing it long before it got “trendy”
to be ” truthie”

Lol

It’s called spam removal, Mr. Isaac.

No

It’s called removal of “evidence” regarding the mass murder of 3000 plus human being

It’s called being a traitor to the people

It’s called aiding & abetting criminal
mass murder

You are not a journalist

MCC- Another control agent flipped

No, it’s called putting up a smokescreen when you’ve been exposed.

That’s what the spam is all about.

Notice this top isn’t on google search

Can you say Douche job ?

“Spam Removal” ???

May 16, 1944 - Jews from Hungary arrive at Auschwitz. Eichmann arrives to personally oversee and speed up the extermination process. By May 24, an estimated 100,000 have been gassed. Between May 16 and May 31, the SS report collecting 88 pounds of gold and white metal from the teeth of those gassed. By the end of June, 381,661 persons – half of the Jews in Hungary – arrive at Auschwitz.

There were jerk offs who thought just like you during the holocaust too

You remember that Douchebag

If you want to call me names, keep it up.

Don’t use spam as a smokescreen to cover your arrogant ass.

MCC Friends ???

Will he cover up this too?

Remember who was dancing when the towers fell?

The “Radical” Muslim Group That Threatened South Park Creators Was Founded and Run by Joseph Cohen, a Former Israeli Radical Who Used to Live in a Settlement in the West Bank
Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA ISRAEL
South Park ran an unedited image of Muhammad in 2001 in an episode called “Super Best Friends“… and nothing happened.

In fact, the episode had been on the South Park website for viewing at any time for the past few years (they just removed it)… and nothing happened.

For 4 seasons they had that image in their opening segment for every single show… and nothing happened.

So for years on end no Muslim group, “radical” or otherwise, has threatened Matt and Trey or Comedy Central about the image of Muhammad that has been available for all to see every single day.

Fake Al Qaeda
Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . .” — Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook

Very superstitious, 
Writing’s on the wall, 
Very superstitious, 
Ladders bout’ to fall,

When you believe in things 
That you don’t understand, 
Then you suffer, 
Superstition aint the way

“He will tell you that he wants a strong authority to take from him the crushing responsibility of thinking for himself. Since the Republic is weak, he is led to break the law out of love for obedience. But is it really strong authority that he wish? In reality he demands rigorous order for others, and for himself disorder without responsibility.” — Jean-Paul Sartre, “Anti-Semite and Jew”

I assume there should be an investigation into wether
MCC (the poster of this article) is really a Medical Prof.

Let’s find out if MCC is a Doctor

“NYsentinel, I haven’t read every word of your spam, but suggest you apply for a job at Popular Mechanics. That is, if you don’t already work for them.” – trueblue – letsrollforums – 23 Oct 2009 , 19:50 PM

Mr Isaac,

You admit to posting

“Note: Most 911truth idiots and morons will believe any garbage that comes from their 911twoof gods.”

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/comment-page-7/#comment-14038

but you still haven’t told us who the author of the statement is.

It is very interesting that right after my post at 5:50 am
someone began spamming discussion threads at this site using the screen name “Generic Viagra”.
And the spamming continues as I prepare to post this message.
Someone is in a panic to flood the recent comments section with rubbish.
A diversionary tactic maybe?
Government agents working like santa’s elves?
A certain “debunker” who posts here has a lot of time on his hands.

I only post with the name “Albury,” which ewingsc occasionally uses also, MCC, as he did here at 8:08 am on August 12:

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/08/08/13211/

What a guy, huh?

I went to the link you left, albury,

looks like someone is having a little fun with you.

You have enjoyed yourself for the past 4 months or so here.

Name another alternative news site that allows you to do what you’re doing at this one.

Post us a list of alternative news sites that enjoy your company, albury, if you have one.

Any honest forum proclaiming to have an interest in the truth about something should “allow” commentary on the topic. I can provide you with a list of sites that have banned me from commenting, and then leave it up to you to assess the ethics involved. Here’s one of many:

http://letsrollforums.com/major-9-11-truth-t20779.html?s=4c057efe4a951267c6a713a2b257e934&amp;

Please explain why I was banned there, MCC, and then define “alternative news” for me.

“define ‘alternative news’ for me”

There’s the media that is 95% owned by 5 corporations
[the folks who put you up to blogging here are part of that group]

Then there’s the media that is a true alternative to the BS served to the people by the media I just mentioned.

That’s the “alternative media.”

You’re still a sly fox, albury.
Let us know when you compile that list of alternative news sites that enjoy your company as much as we do.

I encouraged others not to waste time with you, and need to follow my own advice.

No one “put [me] up to blogging here,” MCC. Any thoughts on why these “alternative news” sites ban everyone who disagrees with them?

The question of why any alternative news sites would ban you for doing there
what you are doing here
brings a smile to my face.

Now, as Lombeer would say, “run along, albury”
you must have some “truthers” to slay
with your flash drive of invincible spam.

Speaking of spam:

If you ask me that question again about why you get banned at other alternative news sites
it will be “pulled”.

Or maybe even flushed.

But the good news is (for you, not for us)
you will still be here
to tell us that what we see in the “collapse” videos of WTC 1, 2, and 7
(buildings being demolished)
is exactly what the media you have such unshakable faith in
tells us we see.

You can repackage your spam to fool the computer software
that prevents bloggers from saying the same thing over and over again:

but when I see it,
it looks like spam to me.

And don’t look for a shoulder to cry on if it gets “pulled”.

The other sites you complain about
pull *you*
spam and all.

Now behave yourself, albury,
and enjoy the site.

Are you even remotely capable of intelligent discussion, MCC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUNvEfYDEQ

One more time for our dim bulb from Texas:

More than a year ago, Uncensored readers were given this good advice regarding another debunker-for-sport:

“He is not posting here for any constructive reason or purpose, he is a troll pure and simple…

He thrives on attacking people from behind the anonymity of the internet.
He especially appears to delight and specialise in ad hominem attack and baiting and wind ups.
May I suggest that nobody replies to anything he posts here in [the] future?
He will soon be starved of what he craves and melt away.”

- Jeremy | April 6, 2009, 2:33 am

World Trade Center 7’s catastrophic structural failure showed every characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition.

You can see all these characteristics at our website http://www.AE911truth.org.

The destruction began suddenly at the base of the building.

Several first responders reported explosions occurring about a second before the collapse.

There was the symmetrical, near-free-fall speed of collapse, through the path of greatest resistance

with 40,000 tons of steel designed to resist this load – straight down into its own footprint.

This requires that all the columns have to fail within a fraction of a second of each other – perimeter columns as well as core columns.

Richard Gage, AIA – Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8472

If “all the columns [failed] within a fraction of a second of each other – perimeter columns as well as core columns,” then why wasn’t even one explosively-cut column found in the debris, “Inside Job”? Shouldn’t there have been hundreds of them?

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/comment-page-7/#comment-13812

http://9eleven.info/HSPhysics.html

Why were none of the failed, i.e. explosively-cut, columns found in the debris, MCC and “Inside Job”? Wouldn’t that be a “characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition”?

WTC 7 experiencing near-simultaneous structural failure at all points of construction is a “characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition”?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

How’s the daily leg-humping going, albury?

Good ?

… and then there’s this, of course …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&NR=1

Why wasn’t even one explosively-severed column found in the debris, ew? Were the tens of thousands of cleanup workers, investigators, etc. at GZ all in on the plot?

_____

albury, you are more fun than a barrel of government scientists investigating 9/11. Perhaps you overlooked this link:

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/comment-page-7/#comment-13812

- MCC

_____

I did not post the comments attributed to me here:
Posted by albury | August 10, 2010, 11:26 pm
Someone in the 9/11 “truth movement,” probably ewingsc, did. How low can you stoop, ew?

“Someone in the 9/11 “truth movement,” probably ewingsc, did.”

Sounds like a “conspiracy theory” to me, albury.

What are the guys down at the lodge going to think?

You better stop spending so much time here at Uncensored,

a deflector beanie might not look so good with your pot belly.

Would you like someone posting comments you didn’t make and don’t agree with and then putting your name after them, MCC?

Thank you, albury, for at least not accusing me of posting the comment you speak of.
The answer to your question is obvious.

You promise,
that you will stop spamming the same messages over and over again at this website;

and I will “pull” the comment you say isn’t yours on this thread.

Monday or Tuesday (US time) I will return to this thread to read your response, albury.

Posts that you can’t answer aren’t “spam” simply because you say they are, MCC, but if you’re a moderator here and allow someone to misrepresent my comments, you’re not doing your job.

Sorry – Not Guilty.

If I posted under someone else’s name then I would be disallowed from posting here again.

(It was still pretty funny, tho. I can’t believe I actually felt sorry for you, albury
- looks like it’s not just me that thinks that you’re an asshole on this website

Someone else does too.)

“you’re not doing your job.”

What is your “job” here at Uncensored, albury ?

Why do you post here everyday

desperately berating people for having their own thoughts on the events of 911

for the last half a year ?

Is it because :

a) you’re bored

b) you’re a flagging, leathery alpha-male that can’t socialise
– and has ‘Something To Prove’

c) You’re a disinfo

-fuckhead-

paid for by the people who brought the buildings down with explosives to muddy and misdirect any public internet discourse regarding Israel or 911.

d) You’re one of those sorry ugly-on-the-inside twats that gets their thrills out of harassing and fighting with people
– and you refuse to accept that ‘other people’ can have an opinion that differs from yours.

If you have a different opinion, please furnish evidence for it, not a string of blatant lies from frauds like Box Boy, Grifter, Water Boy, and the Loose Change creeps, ew.

Who are you to tell me what to do, albury ?

… and why would you want to ?

Is that why you have been spamming this website everyday for the last six months ?

Well ?

How come ?

Who are you to question why I post here, ew?

Why have you been spamming this website everyday for the last six months, albury ?

Why do you keep avoiding honest discussion and posting spam, ew?

“Why do you keep avoiding honest discussion and posting spam, ew?”

I’m not.

Just trying to work you out, is all.

you refuse to accept that ‘other people’ can have an opinion that differs from yours.

… because ‘other people’

-do-

have opinions that differ from yours.

Do you also have opinions on other topics that aren’t based on facts and evidence, ew?

You’ve been spamming this website everyday for the last six months why, albury ?

Please discuss your opinions instead of me, ew.

Thanks

I’m not talking about

-you-

albury

I’m talking about what you’re doing here on this website everyday for six months, albury.

Big difference.

You been spamming this website everyday for the last six months why ?

Well ?

Why is that,

you shit-bag little spam-bot ?

That’s your idea of an intelligent discussion, ew? You’re even an embarrassment to the 9/11 “truth movement.”

“Posts that you can’t answer aren’t ’spam’ simply because you say they are, MCC, but if you’re a moderator here and allow someone to misrepresent my comments, you’re not doing your job.” – albury | August 15, 2010, 8:26 am

According to you, albury, I am “too ignorant for words.” Maybe that has something to do with it.
It’s my “ignorance.”

Regarding your statement about spam:
You are the prince of spam, albury,
and your spam and the pissing contests you deliberately provoke may very well vanish when you least expect it.

An example of your spam being answered is here:
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/09/medical-professionals-for-911-truth/#comment-14330

I will find creative ways to derail your agenda here, albury.

When you see that I posted the article or video that you are commenting on (on the discussion thread) it would be best not to instigate confrontation after confrontation with other bloggers. This is done to create a shooting gallery atmosphere that others will want to stay clear of.

You will not be allowed to turn these threads into a circus.

Sites like 911 Blogger have rules that prevent their threads from degenerating into brawls.
You abuse the opportunity to express yourself here, and you have been abusive toward the administration and bloggers here as well.

Uncensored is a place you will find news that many mainstream sites simply would not be allowed to publish. The name of the site in no way means that you will be allowed to be abusive towards others forever.

Pitching your spam into a dumpster isn’t “censorship.”

So I don’t advise you try to duck behind the name of the site and continue what you’re doing here.

When I take the time to post an article or video (or both),
the discussion thread is not going to resemble a war zone.

It’s unfair to new readers who would like to post here.

It’s disrespectful to those who contribute a lot at this site:
like ewingsc.

Think seriously about what I just said, albury, before you return with more of your scripted sabotage agenda.

When you take the time to post an article or video (or both), MCC,
please don’t try to tell me what my opinion of it is, or what I can and can’t say about it.

A lot of repeated comments have been removed.

I accept full responsibility for removing them.

The comment you said wasn’t yours has been removed, albury, because it was the right thing to do.

I do not mean to offend anyone by what I did, but I meant what I said in my post at 2:27 am

You are not an innocent party in this, albury, you deliberately provoke others at this website.

I’ve thought seriously about what you just said, MCC, and if I understand it correctly, you’re telling me that my numerous sincere attempts at honest discussion here indicate an “agenda,” that if I disagree with something I’m “spamming,” that you’ll “derail” my comments by “pitching [them] into a dumpster” whenever it suits you, and that if you posted the article or video that I’m commenting on, it would be best if I agreed with it. You’ve also told me, after wading through a steady stream of repetitive, vulgar, profane, and totally unproductive ad hominem from ewingsc that was directed toward me, that he “contributes a lot to this site,” and that I’ve “been abusive toward the administration and bloggers here as well,” despite citing no instances of my doing it.

You’ve managed all of this without explaining how a firefighter can see what’s happening on the 82nd floor and above when he never got past the 78th floor, what earthly reason there is to indict Larry Silverstein for anything, or addressing any of the questions I raised in my August 11, 10:34 PM post, presumably because my asking those questions is instigating a “confrontation” and creating a “shooting gallery.”

How did I do?

“How did I do?”

Not very well, albury,
you predictably twisted things to suit yourself.
A smokescreen, nothing more.

“I’ve thought seriously about what you just said, MCC, and if I understand it correctly,”

A man with your intelligence understood it perfectly, albury.

Most of the rest of your post is “malarkey”.

I was using the word here long before you showed up.

ewingsc would call it “bullshit”!

But we know that you have never used profanity at this website, albury,

so it places you in such a lofty position to judge ewingsc.

Are you still working on that list of alternative news sites that allow you to do there, what you are doing here?

Why should I have to depend on a legitimate news source and discussion forum to “allow” me to post facts and honest opinions based on them, and to question very obvious dishonesty and falsehoods, MCC?

You are crafty enough to rephrase other people’s questions, but you’re not fooling anyone here, albury.

It’s *you* against all the “conspiracy sites” and “conspiracy theorists.”

You see yourself as the rational person, and the sites that don’t promote the corporate party line receive (and deserve) your ridicule.

Those two pompous sidekicks you had (haskinjr and troll edwards) saw themselves on the same mission:

Go to a website where you dispise the views of the people who post there (and the overall political views presented at the site) and pour all the contempt you can muster on other bloggers and the website itself.

It makes no sense to me, unless you have an agenda.

As Lombeer has already said to you:

“Don’t give us the offended casual inquirer routine”

Read my posts carefully, albury.

I take my time to make them clear.

I’m not here to play games.

And before I waste my time in a confrontation that you instigate to further your agenda:

I will write more articles for the home page with the same care that I put into “Willing Ignorance and the Debunkers of 9/11 Truth.”

Try what you have tried in the past, and you will be pissing into the wind.

I do not have the free time that you have, albury,
and if I did I wouldn’t waste it with someone who is here for the reason (or reasons) you are.

That’s my answer to your question at 3:06 am

Once again, “Don’t give us the offended casual inquirer routine”
You’re not fooling anyone here.

Who was trying to fool someone here, MCC:

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

How are my questions about Silverstein’s PBS quote intended to fool anyone?

If I ask how a firefighter on the 78th floor of the South Tower can see the fires on the 82nd and above, am I trying to fool someone, or is the person claiming that the fires were minor throughout the building trying to do that?

Am I trying to fool someone simply by asking him what the collapse scenario is in NCSTAR 1A, and what he thinks is wrong with it?

My “agenda” is honest discussion of facts. What’s yours?

You cherrypick faults that you strain out of presentations by people who have the courage to speak out; while you, yourself, are terrified to watch “Fall of the Republic” and discover who is shafting you and your family.

“Fall of the Republic” is the first in a series of videos presented in “Willing Ignorance” (mentioned above).

While you waste your time here harassing people at a New Zealand website:

the “September criminals” (through their flunkies throughout the U.S. government) are busy putting the finishing touches on your enslavement.

A smart man like you, albury, should see and be trying to prevent the theft of their own nation.

Instead, you are parked here wasting your time.

Your freedoms are evaporating at home, while you give “conspiracy theorists” in New Zealand a daily thrashing.

I’m not ignoring the rest of your questions [at 4:54] but simply giving you time to consider the seriousness of what I just said.

I’ll just have to take your word for it that you’re not (again) ignoring the questions I just asked, MCC, but why do you think it’s courageous to distort the facts about 9/11, and how does it prevent the theft of our nation?

btw, if you’re in Monmouth County, we’re neighbors.

“My ‘agenda’ is honest discussion of facts. What’s yours?” [4:54]

-

You choose the “facts” and you badger (and sometimes belligerantly push) others to fight your fight.
The one you are comfortable fighting.

This is often how you get the desired response from ewingsc.
He doesn’t appreciate others trying to push him around, or tell him what aspects of 9/11 are worthy of discussion.

You provoke him deliberately, albury.

If you carefully read my article on *Willing Ignorance* and watched the videos,
you shouldn’t have to ask what my “agenda” is.

“but why do you think it’s courageous to distort the facts about 9/11, and how does it prevent the theft of our nation?” [6:09]

Sounds like you’re just being sarcastic, albury, you need to take seriously the orchestrated financial collapse of America. Unless, of course, you plan to prosper while others are completely destroyed.

You may remember, I informed you (a few months ago) that I’m not part of a “movement.” Therefore, I do not have to defend everything “leaders” of a “movement” would say. They are not my “leaders.”

You haven’t convinced me that all the people you despise (who expose the official 9/11 narrative) are liars. Even if you could convince me that some of them are deliberately promoting falsehoods: they are not my “leaders.”

You say they are liars, but you seem nervous to let Uncensored readers draw their own conclusions.
ewingsc has mentioned that several times to you that I can remember.

-

Regarding 9/11 Truth “leaders”

As I stated clearly on other threads:

I was 9/11 Truth before there was a “movement,”
The official narrative sounded like fiction to me from the beginning.
I never believed “the government’s 19 Arab hijacker conspiracy theory.”
Never.

I didn’t need “leaders” to tell me it was a lie.

Many of the people you despise and belittle on a regular basis here (9/11 “Truth movement leaders”),
believed the mainstream media reporting when I knew it was highly suspect.

Just in case you’re interested, albury,
this man was exposing the “official conspiracy theory” in an article on the internet
2 days after it happened.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/06/30/jim-marrs-presents-911-truth-in-10-minutes/

I carefully read your article mentioned above and linked here, MCC:

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/08/14/willing-ignorance-and-the-debunkers-of-911-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-14537

and commented on its second video at 7:38 am, August 18, NZ time. Are people like Jim Fetzer your hope for preventing “the theft of our nation”?

This is called “civil” discussion, albury.

It’s what you claim you want on these threads.

Don’t go out of your way to provoke ewingsc, and you might be surprised by the results.

If you keep hammering with the same questions they may get deleted.
It’s not what I want, but you don’t get “civil discussion” out of others by bullying them into submission with the same questions over and over.

I will be back another time, albury, to answer another question (or two) that you have already asked above. But I will not be badgered. So be patient. And if you want to know what my “agenda” is: you should carefully read “Willing Ignorance and the Debunkers of 9/11 Truth.”

I saw your post at 7:47 after leaving mine at 8:02

Thank you for reading my article, albury.

It’s what I truly believe.
There are hyperlinks in the text to bring readers to sources of some of the quotes used that may not be mentioned at the end.

Will be back to check the thread soon.

So you “truly believe” what Jim Fetzer said in the 2nd video?

After reading your post at the other thread, I almost knew you were going to ask that question.

I *truly believe* what I wrote, albury.

I don’t truly believe everything said in videos simply because I included them in an article.

Jim Fetzer’s views gives us something to discuss at a later date.

I do like his presentation about the “hijackers” which you have seen the link to on these discussion threads.

Try to appreciate your opportunity to express your views here, albury, and have patience with those of us who disagree with you about 9/11.

I appreciate you taking the time to carefully read my posts today, instead of just passing over them quickly; and will return to the thread as soon as possible.

“You are crafty enough to rephrase other people’s questions, but you’re not fooling anyone here, albury.”

You been spamming this website everyday for the last six months, albury.

Why is that ?

Are you trying to hide something ?

Cover someone’s ass maybe ?

Too eager on a daily basis to exonerate someone, perhaps ?

Yeah, far too eager. Funny how they think we’re so stupid. There are countless things that happen daily that confirm what we are learning is the truth or at least mostly the truth. That particular spammer only counts towards confirming that nine eleven was set up. Cheeky buggers even used the national emergency call number (dial 911) for the date of the event. Best to just chat around the spammers and ignore them, I don’t care how far I have to scroll down to see posts worth reading.

MCC: “I don’t truly believe everything said in videos simply because I included them in an article.”

So if people like Fester, Gage, and Griffin lied a little bit, we should all just ignore it?

Griffin said that AA 77 would have been shot down by missiles launched from the Pentagon before it got anywhere near it. Do you think it’s safe to use Reagan National Airport now that you know that? It’s less than one mile from the Pentagon, and has a runway pointed directly at the NE corner of it.

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

How does Gage know that WTC 7’s exterior collapsed in ~6.5 seconds, when no video shows the botton ~60% of the building, and the top ~242′ were timed in ~5.4 seconds?

Why does Fester think it’s suspicious that columns connected every ~36′ with 4 bolts would break up in ~36′ lengths? Why did Silverstein’s 12 insurance companies pay someone who publicly confessed to blowing up his property? What does the melting point of steel have to do with the NIST reports?

There was absolutely no evidence of a controlled demolition found in the WTC debris, but in your own words, MCC, please try to furnish even a remotely plausible and coherent motive for secretly planting redundant, fireproof explosives there, and setting them off silently to coincide with an al Qaeda terrorist attack.

“Funny how they think we’re so stupid. “

Yeah, ew, it’s hard to imagine how the towers’ perimeter columns all managed to break up in convenient, 3-story pieces:

http://images.quickblogcast.com/81199-71081/2_7_exterior_wall.jpg

(The square holes on the inside faces are access for connection bolts.)

Duuuh.

You have been defending the version of 9/11 presented by the mainstream media since your arrival, albury.

Something that began to bother me early on about that version of what happened on 9/11, is the term “boxcutters” being used over and over by the mainstream press, to describe the weapons used by the “hijackers” to gain control of the planes.

After all, they must have had weapons, right? Logic tells us that they didn’t stroll onto the planes and declare: we’re in charge here;

and then suddenly the pilots (many of whom have military experience) simply turned over control of the plane to the “highjackers.” So the idea that they would have weapons (in the official explanation of events) would make perfect sense.

But, just like other researchers, I did find it rather odd that they could wrestle control of the aircraft, from men with military training, using “knives with one-inch blades.”

Albury, why do you suppose the major media (if they were truly independent) would use the term “boxcutter” over,
and over, and over to describe the weapon used to “overpower” the pilots and take control of the aircraft.

In the part of the U.S. that I live in, when you go to purchase these “weapons” in a hardware store they are called utility knives.

That’s typically the way I, and many folks around me, used to describe them prior to 9/11. Some also called them “boxcutters.”

But on, and then after, September 11th:
they suddenly were almost exclusively called “boxcutters” in the mainstream media reporting of the event.
This is true across the nation (to my knowledge) and probably in many foreign countries as well.

Many of us who are often called “conspiracy theorists” see this as a bit too much to be coincidental.

Some of us call it “lockstep thinking” or in this case lockstep reporting.

It was as if the media was controlled by one entity; and that entity decided that the term for the “hijacker’s” weapons would be
“boxcutters.”

If I’m not mistaken, this was mentioned in the following article: http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/07/26/911-the-basic-questions-all-in-one-chunk/

This kind of “reporting” where each news outlet uses the same terminology reminds me of the news coverage of the execution of the Branch Davidians April 19, 1993. They had a “cult leader,” and “cult girlfriends,” and lived in a “compound.”

This is what we heard over and over again. And accurate reporting was seriously lacking:

just like after September 11th.

The various local media get much of their information from wire services, and the term was probably used by one or more of them, and then copied. It was picked up later by the “truth movement,” which has perpetuated it. Actually, some of the “muscle” hijackers had pocket knives that were shorter than the FAA maximum length. This information was gotten through numerous consistent accounts from passengers’ phone calls, and even from some inadvertant radio calls from the hijackers.
Regardless of their military training, which was as pilots, not Rambos, many of them were older men, and they were outnumbered and attacked suddenly from behind. The pilot and co-pilot seats in Boeing wide-bodied twins also have to be moved in order for them to get in or out, so they were at an extreme disadvantage, and once the hijacker/pilot had the controls, there was nothing that could have been done that wouldn’t have put the passengers and planes at risk.
Successful hijackings over the US numbered into the hundreds prior to 9/11, and not one plane had ever been used as a weapon, so the odds favored cooperating with the hijackers, at least in the victims’ perspective, with the exception of UA 93 after they were forewarned.
I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, but there’s overwhelming evidence that the four planes were hijacked by the 19 Islamic terrorists who were later identified by the FBI in their corrected list issued about 2 weeks later, and no other plausible explanation for the crashes.

“there’s overwhelming evidence that the four planes were hijacked by the 19 Islamic terrorists”

Wow – what a lying desperate fucking spam parrot you are, albury.

Why have you been spamming this website everyday for six months ?

Why don’t you tell everyone what “really” happened, ew?

Why don’t you tell everyone ‘why you have been spamming this website everyay for six months’, albury ?

… I mean your fervent efforts here go wayyyy beyond your own mere ego masturbation …

So what gives ?

What’s up with you ?

And what’s up with your desperate relentless spam-a-thon ?

Answer please.

How do you know more than the dozens of victims’ relatives who were cell and Airfone call recipients, two major US airlines, the FAA, NTSB, FBI, and all of the thousands of people who witnessed the crash sites, ew?

What’s up with your desperate relentless spam-a-thon ?

Answer please.

What gives ?

Why have you been spamming this website everyday

for six months ?

Answer, please.

Where did you get your information on the four planes that crashed on 9/11, ew?

“Where did you get your information on the four planes that crashed on 9/11, ew?”

Yep.

Why have you been spamming this website everyday

for six months ?

albury, you have been asking a lot of questions of us
and I have a few for you.

Like ewingsc, I can’t help but wonder what brought you to this New Zealand website?

How did you find out about this site, albury?

Also, I have a two part Larry $ilverstein question for you.

1. What time of day were the firefighters evacuated from Building 7 according to the sources you trust?

2. Were there different accounts in the government / media version of the evacuation of the firefighters from the building?

I found this site when a Google News alert for “9/11 truth” produced a link to one of the articles here months ago.

I don’t know exactly when the FDNY gave the order to evacuate and set up a safety perimeter, but these accounts indicate it was 5 hours or more before the 5:21 PM collapse:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

In the confusion of two plane crashes and two tower collapses, it’s possible that there were conflicting accounts of the time, and even of who gave the order, but firefighting efforts were definitely suspended long before the collapse, saving many lives.

Would you like to answer my Larry Silverstein questions now, or just continue to avoid them, as you, ewingsc, Lombeer, and others have done for months?

albury, what time of the day was it when Larry $ilverstein had his conversation with the fire department commander; later discussed in the PBS documentary interview?

Obviously after the decision was made by the FDNY, which called to explain to Silverstein why they weren’t fighting the fires in WTC 7. I think it was around 3 PM, but don’t know exactly when. It may be on the PBS interview tape, but it’s doubtful whether Silverstein logged the exact time when he got the call, or remembered it later.
Without looking, what time was it when you posted here last? When did you get your last phone call?
Why is something this trivial so important to you, and when are you going to answer my Silverstein questions?

Funny how “Arthur Scheuerman” is suddenly here to leave a message on the 9/11 Truth Now in a Classy Little Newspaper thread.

Albury (or is it “Arthur”), you might ask Larry $ilverstein if he remembers the name of the fire department commander he actually spoke with that day: because on March 13, 2008 he refused to answer the question in front of an audience while being videotaped.

3 minutes 42 seconds into this brief collection of excerpts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w-G_Ru-x2M

Larry $ilverstein wanted to move on to “the next question.”
I can’t imagine why.

Notice the look on the face of the man in the suit and tie who places one of his fingers in his mouth a couple of times. Looks like he’s thinking: *the serfs aren’t buying it*

Perhaps Larry is “lucky” he made it out of the building.
What did Larry $ilverstein have to hide at that friendly public meeting that day, albury.

Then there is the Fox News article at the beginning of the video.

No motive or evidence, but you continue to libel him, just because he owned WTC 7 and leased the towers, and they were attacked (again) by al Qaeda. What do you have to hide by not answering my “pull it” questions, MCC?
If you’re a moderator here, I’d also suggest comparing my IP address with Arthur’s before lying about me too. That’s your idea of intelligent conversation?

If you post your 1/4 pound $ilverstein spam sandwich
that we have already seen at least 7 times, albury,
it *will* be “pulled”.

“No motive or evidence, but you continue to libel him…” [5:54]

I “libel” him, albury, by posting a video of one of his public speaking engagements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w-G_Ru-x2M for readers of this website (yourself included) to consider?

Did you see the look on his face when the question was asked?

He looked like the Duke of Lower Manhattan addressing his subjects.

And you have spent how many months here defending him, albury?

ewingsc wants to know why,
and you deliberately provoke him to create a diversion.

Rpt: No evidence and no motive.
If you really think he blew up WTC 7, then you should be eager to answer all of those questions, MCC. You’re ducking them because you can’t support your claim.
He didn’t even say he did, he said “they,” i.e. the FDNY, made the decision, but the “truth movement” is even lying about that:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/RyanFraud1.jpg

Why do you have to lie to make your case?

Guess you’re just smarter than the legal departments of 12 different insurance comapnies, at least 4 of which aren’t even in the US, huh?

The fact that you would even threaten to remove comments, simply because you can’t address them, speaks for itself, MCC.
If you really are a moderator here, you also know that my IP address isn’t the same as Arthur’s, so I’d like an apology for your bogus allegation that I’m posting as more than one person.
Truth movement? You run from it.

What would we do without you, albury, to tell us who the “liars” are?

It’s interesting that one of the things that 911 Blogger doesn’t allow:

is exactly what you’re doing here.

Constantly calling those you disagree with “liars.”

They take the position that what you present to make your case should be enough.
And, from there, readers can make up their own mind who (or if) someone is “lying”.

But we know how much you dread the thought of readers being able to come to their own conclusions without continual harassment from you. For how many months now?

Here is a link to your defense of Larry $ilverstein that you spammed us with at least 4 times on one thread:
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8357

I don’t “have to lie” to prove the official 9/11 narrative *is* the “conspiracy theory.”

I disagree with you regarding the famous $ilverstein quote (among a lot of other things), albury,
it doesn’t make me a “liar.”

Does claiming that the FDNY and Larry Silverstein “made that decision” make Kevin Ryan a liar? How honest is it to duck every one of my questions, and to threaten to remove them if I ask them again? Why won’t you answer them, now that you know where to find them?

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8357

I’m not defending Silverstein, I’m simply looking for the logic in your allegation that he publicly admitted to bombing WTC 7, and still collected from all of his insurance companies. It makes about as much sense as accusing me of being Arthur Scheuerman, when you have our IP addresses right in front of you.
Come to your own conclusion about that one, MCC.

“The fact that you would even threaten to remove comments, simply because you can’t address them, speaks for itself, MCC.”

Not true, albury.

As my post at 7:23 states, you have posted that message over and over.

I was just letting you know what would happen if you continued.

Doesn’t mean I “can’t address” your questions.

In my post at 5:41 I said:

Albury (or is it “Arthur”), [the names are remarkably similar]

“or is it ‘Arthur’” was obviously a question. Although I forgot the question mark.
I’m not going to apologize because you get touchy over my asking you a question.

I live in America, albury, not New Zealand.
And have no idea what your IP address is, and don’t really care.

It’s comical how your new sidekick “Arthur” popped up as soon as I mentioned *Larry $ilverstein*!

Was he jolted by the very mention of Larry’s name?

The “Arthur Scheuerman” on youtube looks just like a Freemason.

The two of you wouldn’t be brothers in the lodge would you, albury?

Sworn to “conceal and never reveal” certain things?

And, meanwhile, calling everyone who doesn’t believe the official 9/11 conspiracy theory “liars”?

Read Arthur’s comments on that thread, which I believe is the only one he posted to recently. Did he even mention Larry Silverstein? If you really believe that LS publicly admitted to bombing WTC 7, you’d jump at the chance to answer all of those questions.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comment-8357

I mentioned Larry $ilverstein, albury,
and suddenly there was Arthur.
Just thought it was comical, that’s all.

I placed that link to be fair to you, and readers who want to peruse your unanswerable $ilverstein gem that you keep polishing.

The link doesn’t need to appear in your next 20 posts, albury.

“Does claiming that the FDNY and Larry Silverstein ‘made that decision’ make Kevin Ryan a liar?”

You have spent an amazing amount of time trying to convince us that Kevin Ryan is a liar.

I think that people who speak as often in public as those you daily call “liars” on these threads;
are bound to make mistakes,
that you, and your fellow “debunkers” will pounce upon to further what you’re doing here.

In the video that I posted above about Larry $ilverstein, he very carefully described the event;
clearly used the terminology that he did (“pull it”), and even showed the way it collapsed with his hands as he said “and then from here, we watched the building collapse.”

The reason you’re ducking and disparaaging my Silverstein questions is obvious, MCC, but why do you continue to imply that I’m posting as more than one person, when it’s a simple matter to check the IP addresses? In the time you’ve spent dwelling on that non-issue, you could easily have answered all of those questions, assuming you had any credible answers.

Why do you spend

‘an amazing amount of time’

here at this website

-demanding-

that people adopt your opinion, albury ?

“Pull *it*”

The firefighters were out of the building many hours earlier.

What was “pulled”?

Something was “pulled”

And that something was called an “it”

by the leaseholder,

and they “watched the building collapse.”

And that’s all the time I have to waste with you today, albury.

I will address the “insurance companies” issue another time.

Here’s a neat clip of your fucken boss, albury.

Watching his face as he talks is a lot like watching a fish slowly suffocate to death on dry land.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/08/07/watching-men-lie/

Why do you

-need-

other people to adopt your opinions, albury ?

Why have you been spamming this site everyday for six months ?

“Someone

-made-

a decision, albury.

And then a building collapsed on cue.

Spam your way out of -that-

fucker.

MCC: “I will address the ‘insurance companies’ issue another time.”

Please do.

ewingsc jabbers stupidly: “Someone

-made-

a decision, albury.”

According to Silverstein, WHO made the decision,” ew?

___

Albury, your first sentence is deliberately provocatory.
You wanted me to waste time looking at what was “done to you” at websites where you were “banned” before you showed up here:

and all I have to do is observe what you are doing at this website.

- MCC

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According to Larry : the fire department commander.

A decision was made

then a building collapsed.

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/08/15/larry-silverstein-wtc-7-pull-it-high-resolution-pbs-version/

Why have you been spamming this website everyday for six months, albury ?

Are you having difficulty understanding my question, ew? Here’s the exact quote:

“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And THEY [the FDNY] made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.” –Larry Silverstein

Once again, WHO did LS say “made that decision”?

___

“Are you having difficulty understanding my question, ew?”

You posted this at 10:09, albury. At 6:46, ewingsc had already answered your question.

“Once again,” you are badgering another blogger needlessly.
Doing this over and over at other sites gets you banned, albury.
Then you seem to think you can do the same thing here.
Lorraine reminded you that “we are not your slaves.”
The other alternative news sites had their own way of telling you that.
An intelligent man like you, albury, should have gotten the message.

- MCC

___

Why. have. you. been. spamming. this. website. everyday. for. six. months. albury ?

Answer.

-fucker-

Do you think that ‘The World Has Walls’, albury ?

Do you think that the Medical Professionals in the post above have any kind of point,

albury ?

Here’s their point again,

albury.

Because I think that you missed it :

We, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, believe that whereas:

* There is incontrovertible publicly available evidence since 9/11/01 that the official account of the events of that day is incomplete and fraught with errors;
* The 9/11 Commission Report inadequately answered, and in numerous cases even failed to address, many of the most important questions that were called to its attention;
* The blatant disregard of extensive compelling evidence that clearly refutes the official account raises rational suspicion of intentional deception by agents of the U.S. Government;
* U.S. Government policies have been, and continue to be, founded upon assumptions about the events of 9/11 that are likely to be erroneous;
* Life-threatening maladies caused by toxic environmental conditions at Ground Zero in New York City persist today and will continue to develop in the future; and
* The perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have still not been brought to justice.

Therefore, we, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, call for a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/01 by a duly constituted legal body with the authority to subpoena and require testimony under oath, and with authority to prosecute if criminal activity is discovered, so that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity can at last be brought to justice.

The key word here

albury

is

‘justice’

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/08/07/911-the-press-for-truth/

If there really were justice, ew, the members of that group would be sued for libel, and would have to pay the people they’re smearing with their controlled demolition nonsense.

You’ve always been

-shit-

scared of

‘libel’,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoayCU42hM

haven’t you.

You’ve always been scared of facts and evidence, ew, haven’t you?

Post by Arabesque (911 Blogger) on Barry Jennings testimony:

He’s pretty clear about the fact that the explosion was before either tower collapse. He specifically mentions that firefighters ran away from WTC7 TWO times as each tower collapsed before coming back a THIRD time when he was stuck in the building.

TIMELINE according to Jennings:

1. Jennings and Hess reach the emergency bunker and are told by phone to “leave right away”.
2. They descend the stairwell to the 6th floor.
3. Explosion occurs and they are trapped on the 8th floor.
4. Firefighters come and tell Barry not to climb down a fire hose because it is too dangerous.
5. Firefighters run away, first tower collapses.
6. Firefighters return, look more concerned.
7. Firefighters run away a SECOND time, as second tower collapses.
8. Firefighters return a THIRD time, and help Jennings descend WTC 7 to the lobby where it is completely destroyed and he is told “not to look down” and that he could tell he was “stepping over people”.
Keep in mind, that the FIRST tower collapse did not significantly damage WTC7. According to NIST, only the bottom windows of the south side of the tower were damaged. Jennings was trapped in the north side of the building and described the explosive event in WTC7 taking place before either of the two tower collapses.

Transcript of Barry Jennings testimony:

“When we arrived, the police were in the lobby… Me and Mr. Hess who I didn’t know at the time… [got] to the 23rd floor… we couldn’t get in. We had to go back down, then police and security took us to the freight elevators where they took us back up and we did get in. Upon arriving into the OAM POC, we noticed that everybody was gone… only me and Mr. Hess were up there. After I called several individuals, one individual told me to leave and leave right away. Mr. Hess came running back in and said, “We’re the only ones up here, we gotta get out of here.” He found the stairwell… we went down the stairs. When we reached the sixth floor… there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging and I had to climb back up and I had to walk back up to the 8th floor… it was dark and very very hot. I asked Mr. Hess to test the phones as I took a fire extinguisher and broke out the windows. Once I broke out the windows I could see outside below me. I saw police cars on fire, buses on fire. I looked one way, the building was there, I looked the other, the building was gone. I was trapped in there for several hours. I was trapped in there when both buildings came down. The firefighters came. I was going to come down on the fire hose, because I didn’t want to stay there because it was too hot; they came to the window and started yelling “do not do that, it won’t hold you”. And then they ran away. I didn’t know what was going on. That’s when the first tower fell. When they started running, the first tower started coming down. I had no way of knowing that. And then I saw them come back… with more concern on their faces. And then they ran away again. The second tower fell. So as they turned and ran the second time, the guy said “We’ll be back for you”. And they did come back, this time they came back with 10 firefighters. They kept asking “where are you? We don’t know where you are?” I said “I was on the North side of the building,” because when I was on the stairs I saw the North side. All this time, I’m hearing all kinds of explosions. I’m thinking that may it’s the police cars [and] buses that are on fire. I don’t see.. you know, but I’m still hearing all these explosions. When they finally got to us, and they took us down to what they called the lobby, because when I asked them, I said “Where are we?” He said, “This was the lobby.” And I said, “You got to be kidding me.” Total ruins. Keep in mind, when I came in there, the lobby had nice escalators–it was a huge lobby. And for me to see what I saw was unbelievable. And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, “Do not look down.” I kept saying, “Why?” We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people. They took us out through a hole… in this wall, and that’s how they got us out… this huge police officer came over to me and he said, “You have to run”. I said, “I can’t, my knees are swollen”. [He said] “You’ll have to get on your knees and crawl then, because we have reports of more explosions.” That’s when I started crawling and I saw this guy fall behind me, and his comrades came to his aid and they dragged him to safety.”

Later on in the interview, Jennings repeats the fact that he was trapped in the building before both buildings collapsed, citing the fact that first responders ran away twice and came back three times to try and get him out of the building.

Critical questions: Why was the emergency room evacuated? Why was Jennings ordered to “leave right away”. Why was Jennings trapped in the north side of WTC7, when the south side faced the twin towers? Why was the lobby completely destroyed? What did he mean by “stepping over people”, and why did he later claim “there were no bodies”?

Submitted by Arabesque on Thu, 07/10/2008 – 2:23pm. http://www.911blogger.com/

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Now, albury (who wasn’t there) will explain to us why his government scientists can be trusted to explain the “collapse” of building 7.

There was a ConEd substation below WTC 7, and the plane crashes undoubtedly shorted transformers in it, MCC, which produce an enormous bang and blinding flashes when their secondaries are shorted out. We also wouldn’t need two guys inside to tell us about hearing demolition explosives, and the whole idea that they went off in the AM, when the building collapsed at ~5:21 PM, is absurd. It also raises one of my “pull it” questions. If Silverstein and the FDNY started bombing it in the morning, why were they discussing on the phone WHETHER to do it in the afternoon?
You’re ducking my questions for obvious reasons.

Why are Jennings and Hess the only ones with this account of events, MCC? Why was no evidence of a controlled demolition found in the debris? “Government scientists” were only a small part of the NIST investigations, and most of the PEs, scientists, and other experts involved were civilian consultants, either from private firms or academia.

“most of the PEs, scientists, and other experts involved were civilian consultants, either from private firms or academia.”

Objective folks like you, albury?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHLiMl7u8R0

Yes.

Excellent Analysis of the North Tower Exploding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoayCU42hM

Fuck you, albury.

You lying little shit.

Did Chandler’s imaginary “explosions” cut up a lot of steel, ew? Why didn’t anyone report seeing even one explosively-severed column during the 8-month cleanup?
~40,000 more “conspirators”?

“Did Chandler’s imaginary “explosions” cut up a lot of steel, ew?”

Nothing imaginary about these explosions, dickhead :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoayCU42hM

Looks like you’ve sold your soul, albury.

Whether you know it or not.

“I am not a conspiracy theorist, but the 9/11 Commission left more questions than they answered — excuse me — tried to answer without any good research. As a professor, I am used to doing good research. What the 9/11 Commission did was a comedy at best.”

Wayne G. Gautreau, PhD – Professor of Mathematics, Chandler-Gilbert Community College. 41-year career teaching mathematics and computer programming.

There’s plenty of good research here, IJ:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

Maybe you and Professor Wayne could point out something that’s dishonest or untrue in it.

Maybe you could explain why you have been repeatedly spamming every 911 thread, post, and comment on this website everyday for the last six months – with the ‘official story’ of events, albury.

Maybe you could explain why you can’t tolerate a closer look at the events of that day.

Maybe you can tell me how many times you have posted this link :

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

or this one

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

here on this website over the last six months.

Maybe it’s time you were voted off the island, albury.

Voting me off the island would be much easier than answering my questions about those “missile batteries ringing the Pentagon” on 9/11, wouldn’t it, ew? I’ve taken a closer look at the events of that day, so why haven’t you?

Here’s a closer look:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

Please name one thing wrong with it.

You’re just a bit too eager to exonerate the people who put explosives in the buildings, albury.

(and that’s confusing about you)

Here once again for your viewing please

because you are ignoring the explosions clearly visible

in

it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoayCU42hM

albury, I want you to explain why you have been repeatedly spamming every 911 thread, post, and comment on this website everyday for the last six months – with the ‘official story’ of events.

Maybe you could also explain why you can’t tolerate a closer look at the events of that day.

Maybe you can tell me how many times you have posted this link :

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

or this one

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Missile_Defenses_at_the_Pentagon.pdf

here on this website over the last six months.

Spill it, albury. Let’s hear it.

Why are you exonerating the Islamic terrorists who hijacked 4 planes and crashed them in the US on 9/11, ew? Do you agree with this professor, who expressed his opinions on al Jazeera last year?

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/news/361/an-alarming-video-every-westerner-should-see/

Spill it, albury.

Would you like to study under this enlightened professor, ew:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/news/361/an-alarming-video-every-westerner-should-see/

or just get blown up by this man of God while you’re attending a football game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjcfoD2mzeQ

Spill it, Scott.

Allah akbar.

What – you’re islamic ?

Religion and terrorism aren’t the same thing, albury.

But you want me to think that they are tho,

don’t you, albury.

What’s with the spam-a-lama-thon, albury ?

‘Which way to the showers’, albury ?

Spill it, albury – Let’s hear it.

Professor Abdallah Fahd Abd Al-’Aziz Al-Nafisi:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/news/361/an-alarming-video-every-westerner-should-see/

or all-around great guy and man of God Abdul Nacer Benbrika, ew?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjcfoD2mzeQ

Spill it, Scott-Let’s hear it.

What’s with the daily website leg-humping, albury ?

What’s motivating your energy to spam here everyday, albury.

I’m not hearing it, ew. Why do you like Islamic terrorists and 9/11 “truth movement” liars so much?

“I’m not hearing it, ew”

It’s because you don’t listen well.

What’s with the daily website leg-humping, albury ?

Is it man of God Abdul Nacer Benbrika, ew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjcfoD2mzeQ

or Professor Abdallah Fahd Abd Al-’Aziz Al-Nafisi:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/news/361/an-alarming-video-every-westerner-should-see/

Are you prepared for Sharia Law, or would you just like to gamble a limb or two, or maybe your life, if you really offend Allah’s prophet?

Well, their banking system does sound better than ours …

(apparently,

charging interest on debt

is illegal.

Imagine that, albury).

Now.

Answer my -fucking- question.

Why are you lifting your little leg on everything 911 on this website ?

Daily for the last six months ?

Your usual spam is not an acceptable answer.

Are the medical professionals in the above post lying when they say :

* There is incontrovertible publicly available evidence since 9/11/01 that the official account of the events of that day is incomplete and fraught with errors;
* The 9/11 Commission Report inadequately answered, and in numerous cases even failed to address, many of the most important questions that were called to its attention;
* The blatant disregard of extensive compelling evidence that clearly refutes the official account raises rational suspicion of intentional deception by agents of the U.S. Government;
* U.S. Government policies have been, and continue to be, founded upon assumptions about the events of 9/11 that are likely to be erroneous;
* Life-threatening maladies caused by toxic environmental conditions at Ground Zero in New York City persist today and will continue to develop in the future; and
* The perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have still not been brought to justice.

Therefore, we, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, call for a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/01 by a duly constituted legal body with the authority to subpoena and require testimony under oath, and with authority to prosecute if criminal activity is discovered, so that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity can at last be brought to justice,

too, albury ?

Why are you lifting your little

albury-smith

dog-scent

official-version

leg on everything 911 on this website ?

Dearest Albury
As a signature of the medical professionals for 911 truth petition I commend you in your efforts to educate the young of America. Your links to websites such as Terrorism Awareness.org do nothing but bolster the ‘Truth movements’ kinetic. Here young people can see grammatical errors abound and can begin to question the notion of “Jihad”. It is afterall a threat our civilization has never before known”.
Your links to all kinds of racist ideology , for eg; Story reads ‘Homegrown Terrorist’ are enlightening to the novice reader of truth. You have a simple knack of directing people to the truth! This is no mean feat and has obviously taken you a long time to perfect. Once again Congratulations for being the wonderful psychopath that you are! Those that have a heart,mind, soul, joyous connection salute youxx

Your version looks like a fire hydrant to me, ew.

Are you thanking me or calling me a psychopath, Ursula? Your medical professionals got one thing right; life-threatening maladies were caused by toxic environmental conditions at Ground Zero in New York City, still persist today, and will continue to develop in the future. You’re simply blaming them on the wrong people.
There’s no evidence at all that 9/11 was an “inside job,” or that the WTC collapses were caused by explosives, and there isn’t even a plausible motive for it. This is what was happening in the North Tower prior to its collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d3K0QuXL24

Coupled with 4 hijacked and crashed airliners and extensive damage to the Pentagon, the nearly unanimous congressional vote to retaliate against al Qaeda in Afghanistan was guaranteed long before either tower or WTC 7 collapsed. Do you think the US would just have sent them a polite warning if the buildings hadn’t come down?

Oh my sweet Albury
You give yourself away..”congressional vote to retaliate against al Queda was guranteed long before either tower or world tower 7 collapsed?
Wow that kind of smacks of foreknowlegde

It smacks to me of common sense, ursula, but you’ve just added 535 more “conspirators” to the plot.

PNAC: “A New Pearl Harbor”

“In 2,000, just before the republicans got back into the White House, a project set up by the neo-cons who now surround George W Bush, laid out its agenda for global domination in a document called the ‘Project for the New American Century’. However, it stated that gaining public support for its aspirations would require a long process, UNLESS there was a catastrophic event like ‘a new Pearl Harbor’. Its published aims have, alarmingly, come true.

If a group of people made a public statement saying that having a new Pearl Harbor would be the only way the public would support their agenda, and these same people were in positions that would allow them to conduct, permit or enable such an event when that event actually took place…would they deserve your suspicion? Well this is EXACTLY what happened. The very people with established motives for conducting an event like the one that took place on 9/11/2001 were responsible for national security when we had that most unlikely, unrealistic and implausible complete catastrophic failure of every single defense procedure in operation. Yet Americans look to these people for protection now.

The US military was running as many as 15 defense drills that day. Some of these drills were live fly hijacking simulations. Some of the drills were practicing for the possibility of having planes fly into government buildings.
Could it be that someone decided that these drills would go live! Why have the corporate news media refused to report the drills to the public? Could it be because you would start asking REAL questions about that day?
Well, it’s time that you start asking questions because you may just be supporting the real terrorists!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JmXQ-z8S4

Have you ever read “Rebuilding America’s Defenses,” where the PNAC’s two references to a “new Pearl Harbor” are made, MCC? There is no mention at all of wanting or needing one, and the al Qaeda attacks of 9/11 took us into asymmetrical warfare in backward nations, where the money for the weapons programs they advocated is being used for something entirely different.
These alleged drills didn’t “go live,” and the al Qaeda plan to hijack and crash airliners into buildings would have succeeded regardless of what exercises the military was conducting that day. How many “conspirators” were in this imaginary government plot anyway, and why would the evil PNAC have revealed their motives to everyone?

“ABLE DANGER” Terror Drills on 9/11

“On the morning of September 11 2001, the US Defence Agencies had been running pre-planned simulations of terrorist attacks involving crashing planes into the WTC and Pentagon. The Bush administration described the event as ‘a bizarre coincidence’.
The matter was not mentioned by the media. True to form for false-flag terror attacks, it seems that these Military Drills were used as cover for the attack.

Webster Tarpley lays out a very convincing case that military drills were used as cover and pretext for the attacks of 9/11. Using drills, our own military resources were directed, in supposed practice attacks, which were ‘flipped live’ by moles working within the government. Using such drills, most of the fighter air cover of the US was redirected to Alaska and Canada.
Other drills were used to inject dozens of false ‘blips’ onto FAA radar screens. Still other drills, ones using ‘live fly’ hijacked aircraft, were apparently ‘flipped live’ and the planes crashed into the towers under remote control.

The ‘hijackers’ are mere patsies, DOD controlled ‘red team’ actors. The supposed ‘hijackers’ are essentially actors trained by the military and CIA to play the part of the ‘red team’ in simulated terrorist drills.
The now famous ‘Able Danger’ program was most likely one half, the red half, of a hijack drill the other half being ‘Able Warrior.’” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00wCPYQV6CU

Obviously, at this point there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that the 9:11 event was INDEED an inside job. Notwithstanding the feeble hot air blowing against this final conclusion and verdict, what do we ‘DO’ now that we also understand the systemic and historic nature of this beast with its VERY profitable false flag operations, etc ? _One thought,for what it is worth, agrees with one commentator who said quite a while ago (before the 9:11 trajedy) that “What we need is not a revolution[powers-that-be would LOVE it]- but a revelation.” Again, such a big revelation, in large part, has arrived with the conclusion that this IS CLEARLY an “inside job” with much complicity/ignorance(?) on the part of many entities which is sometimes called GovCorp et. al.
Again, What do we do? I guess, by simply doing what many concerned folks, like yourselves, are doing now-showing the truth; AND pray the Lord would go before and fight those “powers and principalities and rulers in high places” because He’s not daunted a bit. May we even be useful in whatever capacity we are fitted for. Take care. Gotta go.

“Fear is the foundation of most governments.” –John Adams

Scott, thank you for the video link. Very good find indeed.
Watching the clip and going to some links I found (as a result of clicking on yours) took me on a very interesting journey yesterday. I found many videos that I hadn’t seen, and information that will be very helpful for upcoming posts for the home page.

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Bruce, your message is most appreciated.
Look forward to sharing some thoughts on what you wrote. “What to ‘do’” is a very good point. I hope to return to this thread tomorrow. Again, Bruce, thanks for your insight.

Should a web site that calls itself “Uncensored” ban (censor) someone for posting facts and honest opinions, MCC?

“Should a web site that calls itself “Uncensored” ban (censor) someone”

depends if his name is Albury and he is a spambot. Not that you have been banned, spambot.

• Statement in support of Medical Professionals petition for Reinvestigation of 9/11:

“I have investigated 9/11 extensively over the last two weeks and I am totally convinced there was criminal action on a huge scale.

These people are abrogating their responsibility, aiding and abetting criminals, and thumbing their nose at the justice system; exactly what they are doing all over the world with their unconstitutional wars. They must be brought to justice sooner than later. I have children and I don’t want them to inherit this world. [I’m in complete agreement with you, sir. Since my teen years, I have never considered this world a fit place to raise children, and things have become much worse since September 11, 2001. – mcc]
I (We) have a huge responsibility to expose these lies.”

Dr. James E. Bjork, OD – Licensed Optometrist, Province of Ontario. In practice for more than 20 years.