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Review : Silenced Witnesses
Posted in: Reviews, Health, VACCINES / DISEASES Silenced Witnesses Vol. 2: The Parents’ Story: The Denial of Vaccine Damage by Government, Corporations and the Media.
Written by the Parents
Edited by Martin J. Walker
290 pages, paperback, with index
Copyright Slingshot Publications
First published November 2009
ISBN: 978-0-9519646-6-8
12.95 (pounds)
“On the 17th May 1993 we received a card to attend for the MMR vaccination and after much thought we proceeded to have this done. On arrival at the Health Centre we were ushered into the waiting room. Jodie’s name was called and Pat carried Jodie in for the jab. It seemed like less than a minute when I heard a high pitched scream, which made my blood run cold. I realised the scream was from Jodie and rushed to the room just as Pat came out. Pat said that the syringe was already made up and the nurse was very rough. I looked at Jodie, pale and shivering and looking as if she was in shock and all the time screaming, a scream like I had never heard before.”
For Pat and Bill Marchant the day that they brought their daughter Jodie to the clinic to be vaccinated changed her life – and theirs – forever. Unknown to them at the time, Jodie had not only been injected with the MMR (with their written consent) but with two other vaccines – the DPT and polio vaccine, all drawn up into the one syringe – even though Pat and Bill had specifically refused permission (in writing) for the DPT should to be given.
The effects on Jodie, a baby who was “so loveable yet full of mischief” and whose first year of life had been “full of joy” was dramatic. Her speech disappeared and “her appearance became that of a zombie. She seemed oblivious to as if we did not exist.” She also continued to “scream in in agony”.
The local GP was of no help suggesting that if Jodie’s behaviour was difficult, her parents should shut her in her bedroom and let her “cry it out”.
In desperation Pat and Bill demanded that a health visitor be sent to visit them. By this time “Jodie was not eating, had lost speech and eye contact and was clearly in extreme pain. She was not sleeping and appeared to be lost in her own little world.” The health visitor agreed that there was something was clearly wrong with Jodie and arranged for further assessments. Eventually in 2007 an MRI (Jodie’s second; the first had apparently been normal) revealed a chiari malformation. Surgery followed to lift her brain and tonsils back into their original positions. This had positive effects: Jodie’s vomiting declined in frequency and her previously life-threatening convulsions also decreased in frequency and severity. She sleeps better and is more affectionate towards family members and occasionally says words such as “Mum”, “Dad” and “Hello”.
Since her parents began writing their chapter of Silenced Witnesses, they discovered that “Jodie has a mitochondrial disorder and this has made us aware of the real need to test children before vaccination”.
To date Pat and Bill have not been able to get justice for their daughter despite the fact that she was injected with the DPT against their express written consent – and by subterfuge – as the DPT, MMR and polio vaccines were mixed into the same syringe. They brought an assault charge against their doctor Allison Hill but this was unsuccessful. (A child protection officer had agreed that Jodie’s vaccination with the DPT against her parents’ written consent did constitute an assault but warned her parents that “politics would stop him from finishing the case.”)
A complaint to the General Medical Council (GMC) also got no results as even though the GMC agreed that what had occurred in Jodie’s case was “unprofessional” the doctor could not be blamed if the nurse who administered the vaccines acted incorrectly.
Despite these set backs, Pat and Bill have not given up: They conclude their chapter with the following words:
“We have no doubt that Jodie was left disabled by a combination of vaccines that has never been tested for safety. This illegal concoction was deliberately mixed in one syringe and it destroyed our daughter. We will never give up our fight to obtain justice for Jodie.”
Unfortunately Bill and Pat are not alone in having a child’s future destroyed. Another case in Silenced Witnesses is that of Josh Edwards whose mother, Heather contributed the chapter “Suffering in Silence”, about how her son Josh’s life was devastated by the MMR vaccine.
Josh, born December 13, 1992, was a “perfect baby” who had such a lovely affectionate nature everyone wanted to take him home with them”. By the time he was 11 moths old he spoke single words such as “Mamma”, “Dada”, “Ta”, “Gone”, “Juice” and “Bye”.
Josh reacted to his 13 month MMR vaccination with a high fever, five days of diarrhoea and then chronic constipation. By the age of 18 months he had lost all his speech. A year later he was assessed at a child development centre as his “odd” behaviour had raised suspicions of autism. He was later diagnosed as autistic.
When Josh was four years old, he had his second MMR vaccination. Heather writes:
“I suppose like many parents I had more or less accepted the assurances of the doctors that the onset of Josh’s problems was not related to the MMR vaccine, that the timing was a coincidence. So when the time came for the MMR booster…I took him.”
Josh’s reaction to his second MMR shot was to have diarrhoea for three days followed by a worsening of his constipation: soon he was only opening his bowels twice a month. His behaviour also deteriorated
Heather writes of her son’s post MMR symptoms:
“…surely this could not be a coincidence. For Josh to develop diarrhoea and regression once may be, but twice surely not. There was NO WAY Jodie [her new baby] was going to have the MMR.”
Josh began to lose the toilet training skills that Heather had helped him to learn and he became more obsessive. Over time, his constipation became so bad that his bowels filled with impacted faeces causing frequent vomiting and necessitating surgery to remove the impacted material. However despite these procedures (and laxatives, and so many enemas that he developed regular rectal bleeding requiring his mother to syringe local anaesthetic “into his bottom to relieve the pain that he was in”) by 2004 Josh had to have his sigmoid colon removed. This means that Josh – who still had no speech – now had to cope with a stoma and a bag for faeces. Fortunately he accepted these quite well, although you can imagine that this was not easy for his mother, who was responsible for his daily care.
In September 2004 however, it was obvious that this operation had not been successful in resolving Josh’s symptoms and it was decided to remove his entire colon. Heather gave staff written instructions to save the colon tissue and store it in the freezer for later testing. By this time, Josh’s case was one of the children whose cases were being prepared for court action against the manufacturers of the MMR vaccines used in Great Britain; the case was later abandoned when Legal Aid was withdrawn from all the claims. His colon tissue needed to be tested for the presence of measles viruses. If it could be shown that his colon tissue contained the vaccine strain of the measles virus, his case for compensation would be strengthened considerably.
When Josh was about to be discharged from hospital two weeks after his operation, Heather “began arranging for a courier to collect the [colon tissue] sample from the hospital. I told the hospital that a courier would be able to collect the sample the next day bring dry ice and a suitable container. To save the courier waiting around could they make sure the colon was within easy access of [in] the freezer? As I worked this out with the hospital I felt confident and reassured. You can imagine my shock when a few hours later I received a phone call to inform me that though the box had been found in the freezer it was empty. The box was also clearly labeled, ready for the courier with Dr Wakefield’s name, although who wrote this was a mystery.
“The immunologist was distraught and could not explain what had happened. The colon sample was later found at the other end of the lab on a workbench; it had by then deteriorated so badly that it was useless for research. The colon had not been logged in on the system and therefore did not need to be logged out. Whoever did this knew how important it was. We had lost an irreplaceable piece of evidence.”
To add insult to injury, the hospital then tried to cover up the fact that someone in their organisation – or who had access to their premises – had destroyed the tissue sample needed to help a desperately ill child to be compensated for his iatrogenic injuries.
Josh and his family struggle on. Unfortunately while removal of his entire colon stopped Josh’s constipation he still has other sever GI tract issues including inflammation, polyps, food intolerances and vomiting so severe that for the last three years he has been unable to eat food and his reliant on pharmaceutical nutrient solutions to stay alive. His behaviour has deteriorated. He used to be a “calm, placid and affectionate” child. Now he is very aggressive and doesn’t even like to be spoken to. He still cannot speak himself.
His mother writes:
“The only explanation I can imagine for Josh’s changed behaviour is hormones. Having said that perhaps his new behaviour is understandable in light of all the pain for GI issues, chronic refluxing, his inability to eat and being disturbed every night [when his mother changes his bag, which she has to do twice a night]. Whatever the cause, how do I communicate to Josh that hitting out and and slapping my face is unacceptable behaviour?
“When I read about parents who have killed themselves and their disabled child, I have no trouble at all imagining how someone got into that state of mind. I could not do that, however. Perhaps because I feel that the rest of my family needs me. But there is so little help and support offered to families like ours that I understand how people arrive at the point where they can no longer carry on.
“I no longer grieve for the ‘perfect’ child I should have because without his disability Josh would not be Josh. We all love him for who he is now and we know he loves us. I would not give Josh up for anything, but I wish I could spare him all the pain and suffering that he has to go through every day of his life. At those times when he is not frustrated or in pain, I hope he is happy but I don’t really know what it is like in his world because he cannot tell me. I know he is often scared, frightened and confused, and that makes my heart heavy.”
Josh’s case is an extreme example of the GI tract damage that some children develop following MMR vaccination – together with regressive autism. Other parents in the book contribute stories of their children’s serious physical illnesses, such as Deborah Heather, who son Andrew’s bowels regularly became so impacted that he could not hold down food or even fluids and vomited up bile.
The medication that Andrew has had to take for his bowel dysfunction also caused awful side effects:
“…we had to watch him quite closely because he had no controls of his motions, the diarrhoea would come through so quickly, if you turned away for a second there would be a trail behind him. He would be sitting watching his videos and it would just fall away from him, his smearing would cover the walls, his bedclothes, carpets and his bedroom door.”
Andrew (who is also autistic) cannot talk but has some understanding of speech and can communicate his needs by giving his parents pictures of what he wants. (His family use the Picture Exchange Communication System.)
Like other children whose stories are featured in this book, he has not received any compensation despite being part of a group in which the children’s cases were taken to the Royal Court of Justice and eventually the European Court of Human Rights.
All of the families who have contributed stories to this book have had their lives changed irrevocably by their children’s vaccine-induced injury. All have taken the time the contribute to this book in the hope that their child’s suffering will not be in vain and that other parents will be able prevent their children from similar fates.
In the case of Polly and Jon Tommey, their son Billy’s decline into autism following his MMR vaccine meant that they both changed their careers. Together in September 1999 they launched a magazine called The Autism File, a magazine that is now distributed worldwide with American and Spanish editions.
The magazine’s first issue included three letters about autism and vaccination; one about the DPT, MMR and autism and the other two about the MMR-autism connection.
As Polly writes:
“This was my first experience, as an editor, of what happens to you when you publicly speak out against the MMR vaccination. We received a couple of letters from anonymous writers warning us that we would not stay in print if we carried on publishing such dangerous claims.”
However, it did not put them off reporting the truth about their son’s condition. Issue 3 of The Autism File included the following:
“The biggest breakthrough we have found since my report in the last issue is that Billy has a high reading of antibodies to measles. Dr Singh found Billy to have a high antibody to measles reading of 6.3 in comparison to a read of 3.15 for the normal control reading….Why did this not show up in his earlier vital antibody test conducted here in London two months earlier where the result showed negative?” This could indicate an active measles infection. Dr Wakefield at the Royal Free [Hospital] found a number of children with autism with gut related disorders have a measles virus present in the dendritic cells of the colon…and so it goes on.”
This issue was met with some positive phone calls, a “few odd calls” including a GP “who told us that we were a danger to other families with autism and that he would be taking this further.”
Polly and Jon persisted, however:
“The issues went on; the stories about vaccine damage grew. I tried to keep a balanced view in the magazine , but too many were writing in with the same stories. We quickly recognised that ‘shouting too loud’ about Billy’s decline was going to get us nowhere; and fast too. None of the big autism organisations wanted to be associated with parents who were perceived as ‘hysterical’”.
The couple’s commitment to the truth of their son’s vaccine-induced autism has had its social costs:
‘”Every dinner party we get invited to, I check to see if any GPs are there. Jon and I have lost friends over these parties. It’s always the same old thing; the doctors say it’s a load of rubbish and we tell them the way it is. Jon is particularly good at this as he often blinds them with stuff they quite obviously know nothing about. They always finish with the same old patronising line about how Jon and I should ‘Get out more and try and accept that the MMR is safe’. We have also lost a few close friends through our refusal to back down on this.
“We’ve fallen out with family members, mainly on Jon’s side, as they are GPs who refuse to listen or even try to understand. This particularly hurts Jon who cannot understand why anyone who knew Billy before and saw what happened to him could believe ‘the media’ over what really happened.
Polly and Jon recognise that they are fortunate compared to many other parents of autistic children. Feeling failed by the majority of the medical profession Jon decided to train in clinical nutrition so that he could help Billy and other children similarly affected. For Billy, the biological treatments that he has had (beginning with secretin infusions) have been beneficial. He can now speak (although not as well as a normal 12 year old) and is a “very happy boy with high functioning autism”.
“I hear of so many families with children like Billy that haven’t had such good results, many can’t afford treatment, many haven’t the energy or the time, few have support and so many are tired, tired of fighting the doctors, the legal system, the educational system, their families; everything is a constance battle to fight for your child’s rights. Parents feel guilty but they shouldn’t have to.
“Help should be free and readily available, but it’s not, and the real battle to get the Government and medical profession to act on behalf of vaccine damaged children rather than against them, has, I fear, only just begun.”
Silenced Witnesses (Volume 2) is not an easy book to read, drawing you in, as it does, into the world of grief, guilt, anger and exhausted struggle of parents whose children’s lives were forever changed for the worse by vaccines that their parents believed would protect their health. However the parents’ love for their children and their courage and perseverance in the face of their difficulties shine through.
Purchasing information:
The Silent Witnesses books can be ordered from the Slingshot publications site, http://www.slingshotpublications.com.Information about bulk orders and review copies can be obtained by writing to info@cryshame.co.uk or using the message form on the Slingshot Publications site.
About the Editor
Martin J. Walker is the author of ten books. His first four books grew out of his work as an activist in the 1980s and are mainly about, policing, wrongful arrest and imprisonment. His fifth book, Dirty Medicine: Science, Big Business and the Assault on Natural Healthcare was a landmark book on the suppression of natural remedies and alternative health practitioners by agents of the regulatory agencies and corporations. He followed this with other books about the politics of medicine, including a book on the hidden illness ME/CFS and HRT: Licensed to Kill and Maim. He has also returned to the story of individuals and lobby groups, tracing their history since Dirty Medicine in two later books, Brave New World of Zero Risk and Cultural Dwarfs.
In 2005, Martin Walker began supporting parents whose children had been injured by the MMR vaccine. He attended almost every day of the three year General Medical Council (GMC) hearing that tried three doctors on a large number of trumped up charges – authors who initially reported in the Lancet on the relationship between MMR vaccination, bowel disease and regressive autism — and eventually struck Dr Wakefield and Professor Walker-Smith off the medical register.(See Issue 21 of Uncensored for more information on this issue, or read the review of Dr Wakefield’s book on http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/10/21/callous-disregard-autism-and-vaccines-–-the-truth-behind-a-tragedy/ .)
The GMC hearings grew out of a Sunday Times article by freelance reporter Brian Deer. None of the parents of the children who had been treated by Professor Walker-Smith’s team had complained about their children’s treatment. All but one of the parents of the autistic children whose cases were reviewed in the Lancet paper were barred from giving testimony in the GMC hearings; they were in effect Silenced Witnesses. This travesty of justice motivated Martin Walker to propose that parents of vaccine-damaged children contribute the stories of their children’s decline into regressive autism following MMR vaccination to two books entitled Silenced Witnesses (Volumes 1 and 2). He edited the stories, wrote introductory chapters and published both books. Volume 2 is accompanied by a free DVD Selective Hearing: Brian Deer and the GMC, produced by Alan Golding and praised by Dan Olmsted an editor of the website www.ageofautism.com/ as “the single best video ever made about the autism epidemic.” Martin Walker’s writing on other aspects of the “Wakefield affair”, consisting of eight essays are also available on his site.
To find out more about Martin J. Walker’s work or to buy his books please visit http://www.slingshotpublications.com/
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The evil of vaccine denial:
RT @EvidenceMatters: Wakefield’s retracted autism study “an elaborate fraud,” BMJ reports http://on.cnn.com/hJiZpB http://www.bmj.com/
January 21, 2011
Feds Probe Post-Flu Shot Seizures
(AP) ATLANTA – Government officials are investigating an apparent increase in fever-related seizures in young children after they got a flu shot.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Thursday said there have been 36 confirmed reports of seizures this flu season in children ages 6 months through 2 years. The seizures occurred within one day after they were vaccinated with Fluzone, the only flu shot recommended in the United States for infants and very young children. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/21/health/main7268108.shtml
…”investigating an apparent increase”…
investigating
apparent
Don’t bother posting until the words read ‘investigated’ and “increase proven to be caused by”.
Stop your anti vaccination nonsense.
You’re at an anti-vaccine website, troll Rees / edwards, wake up!
Excellent presentation by Dr Raymond Obomsawin. He uses a series of graphic tables to dramatically challenge the widely held assumption that vaccines have historically benefited humanity throughout the world. Dr. Obomsawin holds an M.Sc. and a PhD with concentrations in health science and human ecology.
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/10/29/graphic-reality-the-charting-of-truth/
Well worth watching and distributing.
More people need to be aware that the so-called “shaken baby syndrome” (a relatively modern phenomenon) is usually an adverse vaccination reaction
http://www.haciendapub.com/buttram.html
Really Gerard?
In NZ the first vaccinations are given at 6 weeks.
How do you explain the instances of ‘shaken baby’ syndrome in children younger than 6 weeks?
Where are the instances?
Let’s look at something here… Smallpox. The worst epidemic in nineteenth century England occurred between 1870 and 1872 after 97.5% of the population had been forcibly vaccinated.
In the 1892 epidemic Leicester refused to be vaccinated and instead relied on improved sanitation and quarantines. The town suffered only 19 cases and a death rate of one per 100,000 people. However in vaccinated Warrington there were six times the number of cases and 11 times the death rate of Leicester.
Explain that Neo?
Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
CCCP –
Ok, first up – the England pandemic – well after the compulsory vaccination programm was introduced for babies.
If you read this article:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2204618/pdf/procrsmed00696-0078.pdf
it shows that
a) England had much lower death rates per head of population than other European countries without compulsory smallpox vaccination
b) the death rate for this epidemic in England was considerably lower than other English epidemics earlier in the century and before compulsory vaccination.
More to come….
Leicester is interesting reading –
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1082657/pdf/medhist00094-0079.pdf
Clearly cohorting of infected patients/quarantine/sanitation will reduce transmission of infectious diseases,regardless of vaccination status, however many towns wouldn’t have had the resources to do what Leicester did.
The Leicester method clearly saved lives, but it says nothing about whether the vaccine was or wasn’t helpful.
To answer this question a good example is Sheffield in the 1887 epidemic:
6000 unvaccinated people, of whom 274 died
294000 vaccinated people, of whom 200 died
Frankly I’d rather take my chances with vaccination, thank you very much!
As for shaken baby syndrome:
Very little data from NZ, and not enough to draw firm conclusions. Only useful paper I found was this:
http://dnmeds.otago.ac.nz/departments/womens/paediatrics/research/nzpsu/pdf/Kelly%20NZPSU%20study.pdf
Data from the US is more telling:
Incidence starts at about 2-3 weeks of age
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V7N-4J021S6-4&_user=10&_coverDate=01%2F31%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1685646151&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=89831ce6adc4679e6c22fdb25d51db63&searchtype=a
Interesting correlation between incidence of shaken baby syndrome and the amount of infant crying
http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/478/153/adnc478153.fig6.gif
Note that the significant rise in the incidence of shaken baby syndrome starts well before the bulk of the vaccinations in the US vaccination schedule
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf
… and well before the first DTP vaccination!
Gerard – can I suggest you read this?
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=4431
It might help you avoid Raymond Obomsawin’s tide of BS.
And if everyone shared that same misconception as you that vaccines caused ‘shaken baby syndrome’, there would be a lot more murderers walking the streets.
http://www.dontshake.org
Wait.
“6000 unvaccinated people, of whom 274 died
294000 vaccinated people, of whom 200 died”
So over 200.000 more people in the vaccinated group and only 74 less deaths???
You’re making your case look silly.
OMG…
Death rate in UNVACCINATED GROUP = 4.6%
Death rate in VACCINATED GROUP = 0.06%
How complicated is this…?
….or, in case this is still too complicated for you:
The chance of an unvaccinated person dying from smallpox was 76 TIMES GREATER than a vaccinated person dying of smallpox
294,000 people vaccinated
6000 unvaccinated
yet the 294,000 have only 74 less deaths.
Get it?
Soooooo….
LESS vaccinated people died
DESPITE them hugely outnumbering the vaccinated population
Looks like a pretty effective treatment to me!
sorry, should read ‘outnumbering the unvaccinated population’
Seems redundant, and as if one is clutching at straws. You seem like this site for someone who refutes it.
Redundant and clutching at straws?
RFLMAO
Your logic is totally flawed!
Let’s make this simple by making the populations sizes in the figures above the same size:
Vaccinated: 294000 people, of whom 200 died
200 divided by 294000 = 0.00068
0.00068 x 6000 people =4.1 deaths
i.e if the two populations were the same
out of 6000 vaccinated people – 4.4 would have died
out of 6000 UNvaccinated people – 274 died
If you can’t see the implications of this comparison, and why it is more relevant than the actual numbers of deaths (which, I might add, are STILL lower in the vaccinated group!) then I suggest you go back to primary school.
As per your statement about me liking this site, I do quite enjoy it – its a fascinating study in the psychology of people who are clearly intelligent but utterly lacking in insight, and an incredible example of how the internet facilitates collective self-delusion.
I also have professional interest in the health care related topics on this site (you may have guessed that I work in health care). In this day and age there are a lot of patients, parents, and family members searching the internet looking for answers on medical matters, and whenever I find misinformation and lies being presented as gospel I will attempt to refute them.
But it isn’t being presented as gospel. It’s an opinion about silenced witnesses.
The fact is, vaccines CAN be harmful, and they sometimes work.
CCCP, my responses on this particular thread actually had nothing do with the “Silenced Witnesses” article above, but were ins response to Gerard’s statement that “shaken baby syndrome is usually an adverse vaccine reaction”, followed by a reply that you specifically requested and answers to questions that you asked.
“Presented as gospel” is merely a turn of phrase, and arguing around that is a it pointless. I’d rather stick to evidence and data.
Your statement that “vaccines sometimes work” is interesting. Do you believe, in light of the data above, that the smallpox vaccine didn’t work?
Not that it didn’t work, but it certainly didn’t on occasions.
As far as I am concerned, based on years of research, vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise and a genocidal practice dressed up as disease prevention.
“Vaccines contain substances which are so noxious they should not ever be injected into a human body.”
Dr Viera Scheibner PhD, Australia
“We are slowly but surely destroying the intelligence of our future generations with vaccination.”
Dr Gerhard Buchwald, Germany
“Belief in vaccination is a form of delusional insanity.”
Dr Herbert Shelton, USA
Vaccination Information Network (VINE) on Facebook – 14,500 subscribers
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vaccination-Information-Network-VINE/69667273997
Vaccine reactions and injuries:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.69670973997.94644.69667273997
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/12/13/review-silenced-witnesses/
Here are some good websites:
http://www.vacinfo.org/
http://vactruth.com/
http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/index.php
http://www.thinktwice.com/
http://vran.org/
http://www.vaclib.org
Articles:
http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccinations.html
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/09/22/blaylock-vaccine-coverup-part-one.aspx
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/kennedy.html
Videos:
http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/dr-russell-blaylock-vaccines-brain-development/
“As far as I am concerned, based on years of research, vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise and a genocidal practice dressed up as disease prevention.”
Of course, this would be easy to prove by looking at mortality and life expectancy rates since the introduction of vaccines in any given region. And what do the figures say? The exact opposite of what you’re proposing.
Indeed… the vast majority of NZ kids have been vaccinated over the last few decades… so lets have a look at childhood mortality in NZ, shall we:
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sh_dyn_mort&idim=country:NZL&dl=en&hl=en&q=new+zealand+child+mortality
Conclusions: either…
a) vaccination is NOT a “criminal enterprise and genocidal practice dressed up as disease prevention”
or
b) these genocidal vaccine-pushing maniacs are a bit useless and the children are SURVIVING, damn them…
Thoughts…?
“Thoughts…?”
Sure.
I think it’s weird that you and reason/rees insist that people don’t reserve their judgement on vaccines until more is known, analyzed and understood.
I think it’s weird that you are pushy over this issue when there is a lot of contention over the idea that vaccines are safe or not.
I think it’s weird that you lump all vaccines together (including shots from decades ago) as if they somehow all come from the same source.
I think it’s weird, Neo, that you seem to believe that if vaccines have never been tampered with in the past – it automatically means that they never will be tampered with now or in the future.
I think it’s weird that you are so certain about this issue.
I mean how the fuck do you know that no-one would ever use vaccines against other people ?
I don’t possess the arrogance to make that call.
And I wouldn’t sneer at depopulation strategies either if I were you.
I believe they are very real.
And if it were indeed the case that some demented rich fucks
– worried about how a larger human population might affect their ability to hang on to their own big slice of the planet’s pie –
would find a way to put substances in your body that affected your reproductive system
it would not be whether the children are SURVIVING – it would be a matter of whether the children are FERTILE
– something that may take decades to determine.
And if you don’t think such a thing is medically or scientifically possible – ‘Family planning’ jabs women on a daily basis with substances capable of retarding their fertility cycles.
I also think it’s weird that you seem to believe that pharmaceutical companies are somehow incapable of occasionally screwing up their manufacturing process – producing unforeseen and unfortunate results when their ‘products’ are administered to ‘customers’.
I think it’s weird that you seem to believe that people are incapable of deliberately fudging the numbers of their own medical research in the interests of their own commercial goals.
And I think it’s weird that you seem to believe that the ingredients of vaccines (all vaccines)
will never harm people
(especially when it seems as though they have harmed people).
I would trust Andrew Wakefield with my and my family’s life, but I wouldn’t trust any members of the GMC as far as I could throw them.
As far as I am concerned, the people who vilified, founded and deregistered Andrew are a bunch of criminals who should be in jail.
Brilliant Wakefield Lecture – Shows BMJ Editor’s & Deer’s Fraud Allegations Were Fraud Themselves
Posted on April 24, 2011
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/brilliant-wakefield-lecture-shows-up-bmj-editors-deers-fraud-allegations-were-fraud-themselves/
Neo claims that mortality and life expectancy rates since the introduction of vaccines in any given region show the exact opposite of what I’m saying.
I find it rather bizarre that when parents report vaccine injuries, they are told that “correlation doesn’t prove causation” and led to believe that it’s all a coincidence, yet when mortality rates decline deluded provaxers immediately credit vaccinations with having caused it, without even a shred of evidence that this is the case! In my books, they should be given a Nobel prize for ignorance, arrogance and sheer stupidity. Mind you, I used to believe in this arrant vaccination nonsense myself for many years, until I stumbled across infectious disease mortality graphs showing that vaccines have never saved anyone’s life, let alone the lives of millions.
I suggest you check out these graphs for yourself and hope that your life will like mine never be the same again.
http://healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=8&Itemid=55
Jon – thanks for reply… (but not the swearing!)
The argument that someone might ‘tamper’ with vaccines is a little bit pointless… should we ban drinking water, because someone MIGHT poison it? Should we ban breathing air because someone MIGHT release something toxic or radioactive into it? Should we ban the internet because someone MIGHT use it for nefarious purposes?
When exactly have I claimed that the ingredients of vaccines have never harmed anyone? You attribute a statement to me that I have never made. I always acknowledge that vaccines may have side effects… the issue is RISK VERSUS BENEFIT, which is why analysing the EVIDENCE is the key.
I agree with you that there is contention about the safety of vaccines – this both APPROPRIATE AND NECESSARY for any widely used health care measure or treatment… what astounds me is that you people are so blinded by your own paranoia and negativity that you cannot accept any evidence of benefit, no matter how strong it is… (as an example – I have asked on multiple posts on this board why, if vaccination is pointless/evil/unsafe/ineffective, outbreaks of measles in developed countries occur mostly in UNVACCINATED populations, and presented evidence… and no-one from your camp is willing to engage in debate, just the usual bleating about Big -pharma trolls etc).
It’s also laughable that you accuse me of lumping all vaccines together – you are the one making generalised whining noises about vaccine safety, vaccines as depopulation tools etc while NOT actually getting into the nitty-gritty of whether the evidence for vaccines outweighs the risk.
Can I suggest you seperate what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING (vaccine usage rates, effectivness, death rates etc) from paranoid conspiracy theories?
I am rather surprised that you think I am incapable of believing that people are incapable of fudging research numbers to serve their interests.. Andrew Wakefield, for example, has been found guilty of such activities by a variety of medical and legal bodies, and has been widely slagged off by mainstream medicine… you guys are quite willing to accuse mainstream medicine of being corrupt, full of rubbish data etc, EXCEPT WHEN IT SUITS YOU (‘NEJM hammers chemo, applauds alternative treatment’ ring any bells?)
Neo – drinking water is already unfit for consumption in many places because it has been tampered with. Ever heard of fluoride? This highly neurotoxic and carcinogenic poison is the active ingredient in major tranquillisers, in pest control poisons such as 1080 and the nerve gas Sarin.
The sky has also been tampered with. When I see chemtrails above me, I wish I didn’t need to breathe the air.
Actually, people who claim that vaccines have side-effects and that vaccines are ineffective don’t know what they are talking about. This is because the harm vaccines cause is their ONLY effect. This is planned and deliberate. After all, sick people are profitable for the medical-pharmaceutical establishment, while healthy people are not. Hence, the need to make and to keep people sick. Vaccinations are very effective at doing just that, hence their popularity among the psychopaths who impose a psychopathic culture on the rest of us.
Risks versus benefits? The risks are all for the recipients of vaccines, the benefits strictly for the criminals who profit from this organised criminal enterprise and the useful idiots and willing fools who work this racket for them.
“Vaccine safety” is like “vaccine-preventable diseases”, “medical ethics” and “military intelligence” an oxymoron (contradiction in terms), because there is no such thing as a “safe vaccine”. Vaccines are by their very nature as chemical and biological agents dangerous, as well as of course being ineffective in preventing diseases.
You consider vaccination a health measure. Hopefully it is by now dawning on you that you tat this is not the case. It isn’t. Vaccines promote ill-health – they don’t prevent it. Look at it as biochemical warfare against civilians.
If unvaccinated children are more likely to get measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox it is because these childhood illnesses are normal and healthy reactions their organism engages in to deal with an immune challenge. Vaccinated children are less likely to get sick because vaccinations have impaired their immune system to the point where it is no longer capable of mounting a fever or breaking out in a rash. This disability is then mistaken for “immunity” by provaxers whose belief in “immunisation” has rendered them incapable of rational thought and into becoming barely functoning imbeciles.
Some idiot doctors will even lower a fever with drugs because they “think” that the body’s temperature has to be brought down into a “normal” range. They are unaware that a fever is a vitally important immune response and that by lowering a fever they are basically disabling the immune system. This is tantamount to shooting the police on their way to a crime!
You may have seen or heard of the movie ‘Idiocracy’, which depicts a futuristic society in which the psychopaths at the top enforce idiocy as politically correct behaviour on the rest of the popualtion. When I read pro-vaxers comments, I get the distinct feeling that we are already living in a well-developed idiocracy, a kind of mental asylum run by its worst inmates.
Mr Alber – thanks for your reply.
Fluoride is the active ingredient in tranquillizers…? REALLY? Which tranquillizers would those be?
As far as Sarin having fluoride as the ‘active ingredient’ – utter bollocks. Sarin is an organophophorus compound with the following formula:
(CH3)2CHO]CH3P(O)F
The fluoride is a bound part of the molecule, and is not in ionized form like the fluoride in drinking water. The whole structure of the molecule is required for it to be active.
Chemtrails I’m not going to go into – well outside my area of expertise.
Do you have any EVIDENCE that the harm caused by vaccines is ‘planned and deliberate’? That is a pretty astonishing allegation. I’d love to read any supporting evidence you have.
As for ‘sick people being profitable for the medical-pharmaceutical establishment’ – that is not how things work in NZ. Vaccines are funded by the GOVERNMENT because it is CHEAPER to PREVENT diseases like measles, rubella etc with vaccines than pay for treatment of the complications when people get these diseases (long term care for a child with permanent brain damage from measles encephalitis for example). The government only has so much money to go round, and must spend it to do as much good as possible. The medical-pharmaceutical industry would make far more profit if there were uncontrolled epidemics of disease – huge numbers of patients would require expensive treatment.
Where is your evidence that vaccines are ineffective in preventing diseases? Rhetoric and innuendo doesn’t cut it….
You regard diseases like measles, mumps etc as “normal and healthy reactions”. how “normal and healthy” is a death rate of 1 in 1000 and a permanent brain damage rate of 3 in 1000 in MODERN measles epidemics in DEVELOPED countries like NZ? Personally I don’t think figures like that are acceptable as “normal and healthy”, especially if a disease is vaccine-preventable… which is of course the issue I’m hoping to argue with you guys…
It seems that you are saying that vaccinated children still get the diseases they have been immunised against, but they just don;t show the clinical signs (rash, fever etc). Does that mean they also don’t show the complications of the diseases (e.g encephalitis and death for measles) – if not that’s a pretty good outcome for vaccination, don’t you think?
In any case, I’d LOVE to see your evidence that vaccinated kids still catch the disease but don’t show any signs. Please elaborate…
Interesting that your vaccine argument has strayed into comments on ‘idiocracy, ‘psychopaths’ at the top, enforced behaviour, a mental asylum, and chemtrails… are you capable of separating these issues, or is this all part of some ‘Unified Conspiracy Theory’?
I’ll point out to you that in NZ society vaccination is VOLUNTARY…
i.e parents are free to practice idiocracy if they choose…
BTW Jon – your comment that you think it’s ‘weird’ that I’m ‘pushy’ over this issue is fairly hypocritical, isn’t it?
Aren’t you the guy who:
a) runs an anti-vaccination website called “Uncensored”
b) spent two youtube clip’s worth if time foisting your views upon the Select Committee
c) is about to launch an alternative medical journal
So this behaviour is fine, and yet I’m being weird and “pushy” when I post an alternative viewpoint on your website…?
Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa!
Pot.
Kettle.
Black!
Why are you afraid of a different viewpoint to your own being shown on your website?
Mr Alber – like Jon you are attributing things to me that i haven’t said.
My posting of that graph showing that child mortality is decreasing was NOT to say that vaccines are responsible for this – on multiple occasions on this site I have said that mortality reductions over the last century or so are multifactorial (sanitation, clean water, knowledge of disease transmission etc)
My point was that if your allegation that vaccinating children is an act of genocide is actually true, the people perpetrating it are doing a pretty piss-poor job… the kids are LIVING, dammit…!
Jon, you appear to have raised a new allegation – that vaccines may be used to depopulate by reducing fertility.
Neither NZ fertility data…
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/births/teenage-fertility-in-nz.aspx
….nor USA fertility data…
http://php.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php?title=File:USA_live_births_and_fertility_rates.jpg
…suggest that this has been occurring over the last 40 years or so, which encompass several highly vaccinated generations.
For the sake of keeping your website tidy, can I suggest that you shift comments like this to the “Conspiracies” section rather than the “Health” section?
“Jon, you appear to have raised a new allegation – that vaccines may be used to depopulate by reducing fertility.”
It’s not a case of “may be used”, but a case of them ALREADY being used for depopulation purposes by way of a “boil the frog slowly” principle. If people dropped dead immediately, it would after all arouse too much suspicion, although in the case of the Gardasil HPV vaccine, around 100 young women have dropped dead in the USA alone, following injection with Merck’s crap vaccine.
I am not in the mood of arguing with you, because it’s like trying to explain to a flat earther that the Earth is in fact round.
I suggest you watch these videos:
Dr Russell Blaylock: Vaccines & Brain Development | WEB OF …
←Obama’s National Emergency Advances Conspiracy to Advance Media Hype, Deadly Vaccinations, and Profitable Depopulation
clareswinney.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/dr-russell-blaylock-vaccines-brain-development
[Video] Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda David …
[Video] Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda David Ayoub, M.D. goes through the relations of Mercury to Autism as well its connections to “National Security Study …
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/ayoub_v.html
Sorry, here is the link to Dr Blaylock’s lecture again:
http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/dr-russell-blaylock-vaccines-brain-development/
Illuminati?
Black helicopters?
…and would that be THIS Russell Blaylock:
“He [Blaylock] opines that the social drug problem in the United States was created by the nefarious former Soviet Union “to weaken the resistance of Western society to Soviet invasion, undermine religion and make the youth unable to resist collectivism.” And, oh yes, the Soviets were also responsible for an epidemic of hepatitis, AIDS, venereal diseases and highly resistant tuberculosis.”
…?
“Illuminati?
Black helicopters?”
Weak ‘Neo’ weak.
oh no wait! I get it, so as to imply we are crazy!
oh. that IS clever.
You used the word ‘crazy’, not me…
Can you define ‘crazy’, neo ?
“And, oh yes, the Soviets were also responsible for an epidemic of hepatitis, AIDS, venereal diseases and highly resistant tuberculosis.”
That doesn’t sound like something from Dr Blaylock, Neo> I’m sure he knows as well as I do that the USA is repsonsible for all these attacks on our health. At least AIDS was ‘Made in the USA’. Laboratory made, that is, on contract from the US government, funded by Congress.
Indeed. Evidence please?
Fuck you, pal.
Another brilliant counter-argument from ewingsc. Truly, the sound research and compelling arguments are beyond reproach.
Your move neo.
Here are some helpful pieces of evidence regarding the creation of AIDS:
Polio vaccines and the origin of AIDS: some key writings:
http://www.uow.edu.au/~/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/
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The AIDS virus: Made in the USA?
By Jerry Mazzahttp://www.onlinejournal.com/health/102605Mazza/102605mazza.html
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Emerging Viruses – AIDS & Ebola
by Dr. Leonard Horowitz
This book reviews the numerous viral vaccine studies conducted simultaneously in New York City and Central West Africa by a narrow network of virologists working for major military-medical contractors under the auspices of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and the World Health Organization (WHO). Included is Dr. Robert Gallo, the notorious discoverer of the AIDS virus. The text presents bizarre and horrifying facts about the biological weapons race of the 1960s and early 1970’s when these researchers developed countless immune system ravaging viruses, and experimented with an assortment of antidote vaccines allegedly for “defense” and cancer prevention.
http://www.all-natural.com/horo-3.html
AIDS As Biological And Psychological Warfare
At a House Appropriations hearing in 1969, the Defense Department’s Biological Warfare (BW) division requested funds to develop through gene-splicing a new disease that would both resist and break down a victim’s immune system. “Within the next 5 to 10 years it would probably be possible to make a new infective micro-organism which could differ in certain important respects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious diseases.” (See – A Higher Form of Killing: The Secret Story of Chemical and Biological Warfare by R. Harris and J. Paxman, p 266, Hill and Wang, pubs.) The funds were approved.
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/aids.html
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AIDS Spread Linked to Smallpox Vaccine
http://www.wanttoknow.info/870511vaccineaids
BTW, the 1918 so-called “Spanish Flu” which killed millions was also caused by vaccinations.
“Another brilliant counter-argument from ewingsc. Truly, the sound research and compelling arguments are beyond reproach. ”
Another snide nothing comment from Uncensored’s resident snit : blueskythinking.
How’s all that ‘blueskythinking’ going, anyway ?
Come up with anything useful ?
@ neo
“all the conspiracy stuff”
Can you be more specific ?
What exactly do you mean by “conspiracy stuff” ?
“Another brilliant counter-argument from ewingsc. Truly, the sound research and compelling arguments are beyond reproach.”
You crack me up Blue Sky Thinking!
How did you get your name? Have you heard of chief Running Water and his two daughters, Hot and Cold?
A young Indian asks his father how he got his name. His dad tells him: “Whatever a baby’s father first notices after the baby has been born is chosen as the baby’s name. If it is an flying eagle, the baby is called Flying Eagle, if it is the sound of an owl hooting, it is called Hooting Owl. Why do you ask, Two Dogs Fucking?”
I like this one:
Hillary Clinton drops uninvited at a large American Indian gathering where she speaks uninvited at length about all the things she has done for the American native people, according to herself.
After her talk, one of the leaders stands up and says: “I am honoured to bestow upon you the name “Walking Eagle”.
Hillary thanks him, tickled pink that she has done such a good job of hoodwinking the Indians, and leaves.
A white American asks one of the Indians why exactly the Indian leader felt that he had to honour Hillary when really she had done nothing to deserve it. The Indian replies: ” The name Walking Eagle” means that they are so full of shit that they can’t fly!”
Provaxers obviously all qualify for the honorary title of “Walking Eagle”.
xcellent presentation by Dr Raymond Obomsawin. He uses a series of graphic tables to dramatically challenge the widely held assumption that vaccines have historically benefited humanity throughout the world. Dr. Obomsawin holds an M.Sc. and a PhD with concentrations in health science and human ecology.
Would that be the same Raymond Obomsawin as in this blog?
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/
Pfft – science based medicine. Quackery online. He is much like you Neo. He only wants people to use the evidence he blesses.
“blesses…”
Religion has nothing to do with it.
Obomsawin is deliberately misinterpreting data.
I both Pfft and shnarf at your science based medicine website Neo.
Gary the troll used to quack SBL at us all the time .
Quack quack fake peer reviewed, brought and paid for, corrupt science quack quack.
Yea thats going to sell it to us.
It is crazy to assume that genocide (depopulation) does not exist. Look up history from Red Indians to Hitler.