Yea and don’t forget the power of distraction. We had america meeting with our bully boys and they managed to escape chch to wgtn to continue meetings and then they ‘fled’ to Aussie. I mean good grief we have just seen julia gillard (snake bitch usurpa) address our parliament! So mean time while the quake is on the trade agreement between trans pacific…which effectively means we become part of australia goes ahead. Welcome to democracy courtesy of new world order!

Yeah, the whole timing of the quake is very timely with the global revolutions taking place and the media is all over it. The media cycles the same scenes over and over again with no regard whatsoever of what’s happening anywhere else in the world. This alone raises my suspicions. I’m glad we have the internet and AlJazeera.

Now, what are we going to do about these bwankers? It’s all good to throw acusations around but can someone actually implement a plan to get the power these fuckers have, out of our country?

Come on people, throw us some ideas, don’t be afraid to speak up.

Where do you go (in NZ, or online) to converse about these things?

We need to change the government and we need to do it now.

Uncensored, you need to set up a section or at least point us in the right direction to where we can come together online and unite, so we can come up with a plan to create ACTION. Anyone who is pro government or pro bankers gets kicked out immediately have their posts deleted.

If it’s required, I will take a role as a moderator and daily work to keep the forum clean.

Come on people. Give us your ideas.

Even if HAARP is not to blame for this, these bankers etc need to have their powers taken because they will find many ways to benifit from this disaster in any case. Joining dots is not as clear cut as some say. Maybe the bankers want you to think they have more power than they actually have.

Destroy the machine in Birding Flats.

Its all about controlling the debt (money supply) The only people winning from this Earthquake is the international banksters. They will handle the $20 billion as it flows in from offshore claims and borrowings, they will add hundreds of properties to their portfolios due to foreclosing on the “defaulters” in Chch. Wake up everyone all roads lead back to the Banksters. btw The Rothschild’s have bought huge properties on Banks Peninsula which is just east of Chch.

What about this state of emergency we are under. Just how long is that supposed to last? A lot of people are awake, it’s action we need.

sure smells like HARRP..

check the weather the night before or that morning for unusual patterns and anomalies

Hey Raw Pipi

And others keen on doing something. Have you checked out trhe model of Freedom Force? If not, please visit:
http://www.freedom-force.org/

This could work here – there are NZ members!

Cheers
B

http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=583 – re actual photos of the HAARP (scalar weapons) installation out on Banks Peninsula region:

The co-ords of this thing are approx:
Lat – 43°49’9.29″S
Long- 172°41’17.57″E

For those that are interested, you take the main road out to Akoroa, swing a hard right over the cattle stops at Birdlings Flats. The road to take (which CAN be seen from goog’ earth) has the co-ords of:

Lat- 43°48’52.17″S
Long- 172°41’45.78″E
…It gives you some idea of where it is.

Cheers for the imformation guys. I’ll be sure to check out that website.

I just noticed, when looking at the quake activily in NZ, there was a quake at 10.16am: 4.2 Depth of 33km, 60km north-east of White Island amongst all the quakes in Christchurch. I don’t know how normal or abnormal this is but I thought I’d share that with you guys.

So far that website seems great:

http://www.freedom-force.org/

Here is a piece I took from the home page:

WE MUST NOT BE LIKE CATS
One of the most profound differences between dogs and cats is that cats focus on effects while dogs focus on causes. If you toss a pebble at a cat, it will look at the pebble. If you toss it at a dog, it will look at you.

A massive eye opening video right here! I live in N.Z and never have i seen such immediate response to a natural disaster, i agree the government knew about it. I am really angered, and upset for the people of our small humble nation, we are a generous group down here.

One thing that is lacking though is TRUTH. Truth from our leaders and truth from our media.

Yours Faithfully
Waiting in patience

Rather than HAARP and earthquakes,

I would , being a rational science based, science steeped, university-trained greenie,

rather search global warming ties to catastrophies; GW is warming the trillions of litres of seawater; also Co2 is added and carbonic acid is heavier.

Then a few extra tons of weight per square metre of seabed, and there go your tectonic plates right over to Christchurch.
Likewise a shrinking of seawater and there move your tectonic plates, once again.

We ain’t seen nothing yet BTW!

Vote Green or die

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Love to all.

That YouTube is a classic example of research by proclamation. Where is the proof that the CHCH quake was caused by a high frequency radio generator? For one these high power radio waves are directed into the atmosphere (not the ground as would be required). Two, the reasons for hitting NZ do not add up. Most of the money to pay for the damage will be coming from reinsurers who insure insurance companies (not borrowed by the NZ government). Also the explanation of how Haarp & Chemtrails work at the end of the video is bogus. All it shows is an electrical arc at a substation (it’s not even Haarp!).

The more I think about it, the more I tend away from the HAARP idea. Sure HAARP exists but I cannot see enough evidence that would convince me of its role in Christchurch. I’ve been of the understanding that natural earthquakes can and do occur. Sure there is a few weird circumstances about the whole event but not enough to push blame on someone(s).

Totally unrelated to this, here is a youtube link to a speech that Jullian Assange made to the public that I fould interesting to say the least:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMtE6CPED2I&feature=related

Brian, your explanation is ludicrous. Warming does not change the weight, only changes density causing expansion. A basic calc shows you are way off the mark, considering a 30% increase in ocean Co2 concentrations, a ocean depth of 2km this would only add an extra 60kg per m2. Earthquakes are a natural part of living on this planet and they are NOT influenced by humans. Go promote you greenist propaganda and fear mongering somewhere else.

MJC,

You have not heard about all the water locked for yonks
ON LAND,
ON LAND young man?

How?
As snow and ice and permafrost and glaciers and….

Well it is MELTING and running in to the SEA,
THE SEA. MJC

The weight of the sea is IS increasing, MJC

IS GETTING HEAVIER. MJC

I wish it was on your head, young man to make you wake up, you insulting ignorant twit, and

VOTE GREEN Party instead of Death Parties

But Love to all…

While you all stall, fidget and hide, from the overwhelming scientific facts.

It is better for you all to go and piss-off the zionist-owned media and stop helping the corporations media and collaborating fascist individualist fuckwit blinded brainwashed camp followers.

Who just want you voting National or Labour, tweedle dumb or dummer, or tweedle dee,

or Republican or Democrat.

Vote like a REAL scientist would
?
Green. Honest Green.

Yes frightening green MJC
The bogey man green is only going to save you MJC

SAVE you MJC

But you want to die, don’t you?
You embrace Death.
How could you not
The death cult of TV has got you.
You get soaked in corpse fluids on TV and poison ‘food’ advertising on TV.

You kiss the gaybo Television cult that is killing you.
They want you to hate the Greens and you say yes!
I will! I will!

They, the Greens only, exposed NZ is not NOT clean and green and we in NZ are NOT healthy.
Especially kids now, since America took over.

Mckids.

They, the Greens, only they, stopped the Aussie snake PM from her crap nazi lying speech – which then stopped the chinese government from getting speaking rights.

Until you stop your nonsense and vote green, kiwis, then you are blindly, dumbly, being “she’ll be right” little fascists. By design or by sheer apathy or/and ignorance.

Or sheer greed, since the greens never promise riches.

Au contraire..

Getting happier yes. We promise that..

We like to dance around for joy of living. (and from fighting the rednecks)

There! We plead guilty as exposed by the investigative redneck media!

We dance!

Shame on us!

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A couple of days ago when listening to the news on radio live, someone had reported seeing what looked like geo thermal activity in Lyttleton Harbour, at the time of the earthquake.

Interestingly so called experts had refuted this by saying, that the volcanoes under Lyttleton harbour had been extinct for 6 million years.

So what was it this person had seen?

Get mad now – not later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok&NR=1

Kiwis
You have got to get mad!!

Kiwis are not angry enough yet.
Too individualistic too selfish,

, too entertained, too boozed or drugged, to get together and join the rebels, people like Hone Harawira and Sue Bradford and all the Greens and Greenpeace .

When kiwis wait until they themselves get hurt, then it will be far too late and the New World Order, like an Orwellian nightmare will be minutely watching our every move, for the smallest sign of rebellion.

And implanted chips will even register the spurts of adrenaline anger or fear, set off by pictures oscillating thru the screens set up everywhere

by Big Brother Paul Holmes and a rebuilt, chipped Judy Bailey, blandly grinning as we go DOWN…

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Destroy the machine, then they know we know and they’ll shit there pants.

> So what was it this person had seen?

sea mist.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/02/23/libyans-join-hands-with-the-people-of-christchurch/

There is the Green Party actually DOING the Revolution!

And no cccp it will be a bloodless revolution, since all we have only to take the machine back off tha fascists, like Paul Henry Leighton Smith, Kerry Woodham ,… oh about 1000 of them when you add in newspaper editors, lackey

reporters, even a few phoney greens put there to spy or stop the greens winning.
Unfortunately many of the core of the nazis is butch-gay (the heartless gays) while the majority of gays are fem-gay (the nice decent creative ones, who the butch-gays hate)

Hope you learn about ‘butch gay’ now before you get too fooled and ruined by them

The Pink Swastika is a 2002 book by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. The authors argue that alleged homosexuality found in the Nazi Party contributed to the extreme militarism of Nazi Germany. The title of the book, as well as the book itself, is a reference to a book by Richard Plant called The Pink Triangle: The Nazi War Against Homosexuals, a book alleging homophobia in the Nazi Party and the homosexual victims of Nazism. Lively and Abrams also take up the subject of Nazism in America and discuss the Boy Scouts. The links between certain Muslims and Nazi Germany are also investigated. The book claims that many leaders in the German Nazi regime, including Adolf Hitler himself, were homosexual and claims eight of the top ten serial killers in the US were homosexuals.

Erik N. Jensen regards the authors’ linkage of homosexuality and Nazism as the recurrence of a “pernicious myth”, originating in 1930s attacks on Nazism by Socialists and Communists and “long since dispelled” by “serious scholarship”.[3] Jensen sees the book as coming about in “the aftermath of an Oregon measure to repeal gay rights”.[3] Dorthe Seifert cites it as a response to increasing awareness of Nazi persecution of homosexuals.[4] Christine L. Mueller argues that the historical record does not support Abrams’ assertions.[5] The book has also been criticized by Bob Moser, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, as untrue.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pink_Swastika

Like I would say the Clintons are butch-gay along with Condi Rice and Bush and so on..
Hard women and softie men do our TV in NZ.

The Fox News guy
Bill O’Reilly is definitely butch-gay.

http://bestpoet.com/2._bill_o%27relly_very_weird_media_boss.html

Check out the eyes mouth and rage!
So we don’t bust the machine cccp we take it back, it is ours, we pay for it!
And we vastly outnumber these horrible little despots.
But if you have gone in to sado masochism and enjoy watching the victims like the solo mums you will stay with mother’s boys John Key and Phil Gogg.

Join the real protest – GREEN and get back LIFE.

STOP VOTING FOR THE NAZI DEATH HEAD PARTIES, who kowtow to the NWO and its global warming global junk food global nazi death movies that hurt our children.

Nigel Latte the official TV psychologist has to go NOW!

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The correct O’Reilly link (sorry)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY&feature=player_embedded

O’Reilly is an egotistical scumbag. Fit’s right in with the republican party….who I believe are just slightly scummier that the democrats. Both parties have been in control far too long.They both need to go away.

Fox News distorts the news… That’s why their ratings are starting to tank… people just starting to catch on, thanks to events in Wisconsin, ohio indiana etc… Going after unions was a huge mistake.
elwaybigfan 6 days ago 24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EL_fntJnl4&feature=relmfu

Exactly the same psychopathy that inspires Bill O’Reilly inspires all our media of newspapers and talkshows on TV and radio.

So you will get no reality from all the talk and gabby mouthing about the Christchurch earthquake, that is filtered to us.

Certainly no cogent reasoning that makes sense about the main cause of all these increasing world-wide disasters.

I wanted you to see the insane poisoned well that is America in all its unblushing venomous madness.
It is exported to to us and the world as The New World Order.

This madness runs us as well.

When I persisted even after being banned, ringing talkback radio they send the cops around,

so get used to it:

We are a fascist dictatorship.

The cops are so young (to me) and have yank cop shows running thru their heads from the night before.

With TV, Hitler would have won – no doubt about it.
Greens would have been killed first.

You do it already by never voting for them ,

for your freedom.
You listen to the fascists Michael Laws and Kerry Woodham and Paul Holme and Paul Henry who call the Greens ‘eco-fascists’ or ‘food police’ and all the other trite nazi propaganda crap and you say “We will never vote Green!”

So the real fascist gaybos continue doing America’s bidding by killing us and waxing filthy rich on our sufferings..

These 2 folk are banned by the NWO.
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Brian John Evans – even the Greens have been well and truly infiltrated my friend! Why don’t you investigate Russell Norman, Kevin Hague, Kennedy Graham, Roland Sapsford and others. Hell, some even have their links to international Illuminati organisations on their own profiles on their websites!~ They’re not hiding it! Wake up Brian!!!

Cooked Tohoroa. ? ? ?

Indeed , if even a fraction of those stories were true the media would be all over it, exposing their hated enemy, the Greens

And why believe a guy/gal who can’t even spell Toheroa?

Obviously a CIA stooge posing as a kiwi bro.

Sigh…

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Gov11_04Rail-t1-body-d18.html

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Okay, so my Maori spelling ain’t crash hot bro! Am no CIA stooge, nor FBI nor NSA! Not even FEMA!
The media will never be all over those stories due, why do you think you hang out here?! Beacuse this is “uncensored” news, get it?! Unlike the mainstream media! Boy! You’re thicker than i thought Brian!
Club of Rome ring any bells for you? Or how about the Royal Institute for Int’l Affairs? Or Parliamentarians for Global Action – formerly known as Parliamentarians for World Governance! Dig 1mm deep and see which Green Party members belong Brian.

Brian, if you’re so credible why don’t you post a picture of you, along with your address. I mean, you’re cocky enough to post your full name including middle name.

brian, are you also known as aubury?

brian are you the cia agent?

You see, in my experience there are some tell tale signs of agents.

1. They insult others, calling them names.
2. They are extreme in their approach.
3. They TELL other people how they should think.
4. They try to ruin the credibility of other people.
5.They pick out mistakes in other peoples spelling and slam them for it.
6. The structure of their posts are usually in the format that you use.

Hey brian, what’s the name of the monster that lives in the lake?
What’s did ??? use to catch the ???.

Sure has the fingerprints of the ruling elite all over it. As others have said,even if this wasn’t caused by HAARP “They” are surely very busy making plenty of missery and mischief anyway. I live in the south of the South Island and our weather paterns and cloud formations have been very “out of whack”. To those who imediately think “oh that’s just global warming, I don’t buy any of that and nore do an increasing number of scientists. That is those who are willing to speak their minds in spite of having instaant funding cuts to shut them up.
I am a member of an organisation or club if you like where the information “They” don’t want you to know about can be freely gathered and shared. This includes many and varied topics that the global elite have kept to themselves. The walls are beginng to crack and a leak has formed. Maybe a torrent of information will follow. “They” are not very happy and will go to any lengths to stem the flow.
It is heart warming to see the work that Uncensored is doing to wake people up.
The organisation I am a member of can be found at http://www.glogalinformationnetwork.com
Anyone from this site can get in touch with me if you want to know more. Obviously we have to be careful who applies for membership.

Sure has the fingerprints of the ruling elite all over it. As others have said,even if this wasn’t caused by HAARP “They” are surely very busy making plenty of missery and mischief anyway. I live in the south of the South Island and our weather paterns and cloud formations have been very “out of whack”. To those who imediately think “oh that’s just global warming, I don’t buy any of that and nore do an increasing number of scientists. That is those who are willing to speak their minds in spite of having instaant funding cuts to shut them up.
I am a member of an organisation or club if you like where the information “They” don’t want you to know about can be freely gathered and shared. This includes many and varied topics that the global elite have kept to themselves. The walls are beginng to crack and a leak has formed. Maybe a torrent of information will follow. “They” are not very happy and will go to any lengths to stem the flow.
It is heart warming to see the work that Uncensored is doing to wake people up.
The organisation I am a member of can be found at http://www.glogalinformationnetwork.com
Anyone from this site can get in touch with me if you want to know more. Obviously we have to be careful who applies for membership.

“Brian, if you’re so credible why don’t you post a picture of you, along with your address. I mean, you’re cocky enough to post your full name including middle name.”

said raw pipi so bravely

as it crawled tentatively across the sand and rock, using its long ever flapping tongue..

Go here raw pipi

http://bestpoet.com

and here

http://alternativereel.com/includes/poets-corner/display_review.php?id=00102

Happy?

Now crawl back in to your little tiny shell, very very raw one!

No address
Remember the jealous envious tiny pipi that shot John Lennon?

This crap society is spawning them by the thousand.

And even though I am a freedom fighter, I get the most crap from the very victims I actually help 24/7.

See?

No, they never ever do.

Why do we bother, fuck sake?
?

Bloodless revolution is fantasy, does anyone think for one second that these scum won’t shoot at us?

Kill or be killed.

Talk is cheap.

Sue Bradford, guess where she was educated in ideology?

China.

Like most of the “left” in New Zealand, Helen Stalin included.

Chinese stooges.

National, American stooges.

New Zealanders? To dumb to rebel, myself included… Maybe the flouride is working…

Hey cccp

Sue would be teaching the chinese mate!

She is good and tough!

I think you dream up stuff so you just stay all alone and don’t need to join any leftie group.

Piker! heh heh..

Cannot you even lift a phone up and tell 300,000 apathetic kiwis listening to stop believing Leighton Smith’s crap on talkback radio?

Say you believe all his crap first but – then gradualy suck the cunt in…

Come on why not?

I did 100 different voices.
Nothing bad happened to me.
They will not print our letters.
They do all the sound bites on telly censored, even the maoris tv does that.

Radio is wide open if you learn the tricks – not to get your phone number black-listed

Think more positively young fella.
Best luck, sorting out your stuff.

Love to all.

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I’m a member of the South Island Peace Movement, lead and run by former members of the Socialist Unity Party. These guy went through China the same time as Sue!

no point in fighting between each other. I feel like a refugie, my house has been severly damaged in last shake… still need to stay at friends/family… my garden is destroyed, and people are talking that even bigger shake is on the way…fight between members here is silly. love to all… and yes I agree we need to get to know why?!

Atlantis I totally agree, and I’m sorry you lost your home. Even though I don’t know you, I still extend my love to you. My thoughts are with you and everyone else involved in the quake. I can’t imagine the physical and emotional hardship you are going through. You people of Canterbury are tough sons of guns. I hope you cope as best as is possible.

I stand up for what I think is right, and if someone throws around accusations un-warranted to another person, I will try to defend that person.

I don’t know how many of you are from NZ, but if the nwo wanted to cripple NZ, they would’nt be picking on CHCH

conspiracies!!!, does any one of you have concrete evidence of what you are saying? or are you all just pathetic little kids clutching at straws in a universe of fear.

The evidence is there Rio, instead of blasting everyone here, read it.

you say the evidence is there, its only within this blog, where is the initial evidence. ya know? where?
I know about HAARP and the rest of the conspiracies from David Icke. I want the cold hard facts mate! Not something from a man who controls people with the same factor that he tells you the politicians and world bankers are putting toward you…
Fear.
2012, another fear factor for you and everyone else to stew over. Because “the man” said its gonna happen. Y2K bug.
In my opinion, You are all living in Fear, exactly what they want you to do.

Rio, David Icke does not control people thru fear – he liberates them. Why don’t you go and see him in his NZ tour later this year or read his books.

Tua Tua Soup.
don’t you think that Tawhirimatea had more to do with our quake rather than the crap written in this blog, have you actually done your homework here, or are you acting on someone elses fear.
And dude, David Icke, I know his material, I know of his fear, I know of his history.
Why would I pay money to a man who wants you to fear his teachings?
I have more important paths to follow. but thank you for your concern… lol

heres one for you, 12:51
in numerology this would read 3:6
turn it round and you have the magnitude of the quake.
oooooooooooooooooooooooooh
fear: embrace it

Watch Jesse Ventura’s HAARP episode, he didn’t believe that HAARP was a weapon either… Didn’t being the key word. He went to the installation, he studied it, he asked scientists… His conclusion, HAARP is the weapon of full spectrum dominance. Jesse Ventura, a former marine and Governor. Not your typical David what’s his name.

Rio, I do agree with you when it comes to fear. That is the one emotion we must keep in check and the one They want you to remain in. That way you are weak and crippled. While we enjoy speculating on whether They caused the Chch quake, one thing we can unite on is They have held the power for too long and The’re loosing Their grip. The controls are in place because we have the numbers on our side and They want to keep you fearful and dumn so you never fully realise the power you hold.
While I’m not saying the quake was created by man I am interested Rio that you say they wouldn’t target Chch. Chch is our second largest city by population. I figure if you want to create panic you would pic on a large population base in a location that has never considered earthquakes as a threat. Just look at how spooked the people of Auckland (largest city) and Wellington (capital city) were with recent minor quakes. Dry food and water sold out in one day.

Fear? No. Anger? Yes. Just look at the Arab world to see what an angry population can do.

> Just look at how spooked the people of Auckland (largest city)
> and Wellington (capital city) were with recent minor quakes.
> Dry food and water sold out in one day.

No it didn’t.

cccp.
I don’t need to read the information inside this blog to know what is going on in the world.
Have a look at one of my opinions, and you research what i think, and then get back to me regarding this, instead of posing on your stool with the fear, that bought you here. just think of me as the positive side of the negativity………..
The Planet Earth is going thru a stage of Polar shifts, ok, so the north pole is supposedly going to end up in Saudi Arabia, or close to that proximity, easier to see, because of the amount of land mass.
If you were to trace a line of the old Alpine fault line, then take a look at the so called new Greendale fault and the Summit fault, don’t you notice at how the 2 fault lines of new, are parallel to that of the Alpine? hmmm. sounds credible, polar shift, fault line shift, land mass shift? Mother Nature is the work here, and possibly Tawhirimatea.
Take a gander, and let me know what you think.
Just to let u know, I was injured in the quake feb 22, I have some major crush injurys, and I am not about to blame HAARP, MV Aquilla, or some CIA / FBI or counter intelligence group for causing an earth quake we all knew was coming at some point and time.
I totally agree with Savvy Chicks comment.
It is Fear that the Negative life wants you to live in.
Wake Up and smile.
Blessed Be
Rio

I suppose you clowns are going to start a new thread saying the Japan Earthquake is man made.
I can’t wait for the conspiring bullshit running from your chins

It’s an opinion Rio. It says “might well be another HAARP job” Nowhere does it say that it is. I believe it is. I helped for three weeks in Christchurch and have taken people in (I live in Timaru) I plan to go back. I don’t live in fear, never will. I live in a free and open world. Where I take all opinions into account. You? No you gate crash and attempt to bash without taking simple things into account. Like the fact the people of New Zealand are going to lose billions whilst the diaster capitalist make trillions more.

Wake up.

Don’t live in a state of closed fear, live in a state of curiosity. The world is meant to be a free and open place.

My Dear I love your work and I am a believer but I must say thatthere seems to be some conflict between u nibiru argument & haarp . Is is haarp or Nibiru thats causing these e quakes

Hey Rio , Your scepticism is healthy . Infact it is scepticism that drives all of us so called Conspiracy thoery NUTS. But I have found that it is infact us nuts that have fully researched the storys and arrive at the conclusion based on what we have read / researched. We (the nuts) are the ones that spend hours on the net and other sources picking out the relevant info and connecting the dots . It is us “NUTS” that are the authority on these issues . And bear in mind we have NOTHING to gain and plenty to lose when we go public with our beliefs or findings .In 100% of cases where conspiracy is alledged the relevant govt are allways with holding info. For instance….Why wont the FBI release all the public camera film they seized after 911 that shows the “Plane” flying into the pentagon. Believe me we (The Nuts) would LOVE to have the answers but govt with hold PROOF of their assertions. The ONLY plane to EVER totally vapourise (inc 2 x rolls royce jet engines ,12 tons)was at the pentagon . Our conspiracy allegations could EASILY be put to rest if govt would not with hold info. WHY DO THEY WITH HOLD .?????

cccp, and Paul.
I realise and totally understand what you both are stating.
I, too, have completed countless hours of researching, read a few David Icke books, all between 5 and 10 yrs ago.
cccp, I live in chch, New Brighton to be precise, we still don’t have water, tap runs pure sewage. and to top it off, I was injured in the quake, I’ve been layed up on a friends couch since.
One thing I do not agree with, is the amount of fear David Icke puts into one while reading his literature, yes I realise some would say he opens the door to people to see what is going on out there, but, in the reality of it all, its really instilling fear into the brain, I’ve witnessed ppl crumbling because they couldn’t handle the information.
911, is a different story, Paul, there’s a great site, to search, google… hunt the boeing/ pentagon.
my opinion, is that was definitely an inside USA job, which is the reason the so called war on terrorism, has been created, and that was one of George Bush’s greatest fuck ups, what a wanker.
I could truly go on for hours on this subject.
But… HAARP and Earthquakes is a truly different story. and my opinion is the polar shift thats creating the problems, as is the end of the Mayan Calendar. I am not a firm believer of the installation of fear, and I feel extremely lucky, not only to be alive after our last 2 major quakes, but also, I feel lucky to be here to experience the shift, and the change of consciousness.
Nibiru is also another tale.
Blessings and Aroha

Who in the hell is David Icke?

When I first heard of the 9-11 “conspiracy” I thought “nah, they would never” But after seeing the evidence presented in Loose Change and follow up versions it is pretty much a done deal. Much like how the Architects and Engineers for truth on 9-11 has grown from few members in 2002 to having over a 1000 today. Evidence is crucial, and with some things the evidence is overwhelming, in cases not. But I’ve learned that “nah they’d never” is a fantasy, they have, and will do again.

search for David Icke on wiki, and read his shit for yourself and make your own opinion.
I do agree on some matters CCCP. just not all, mind you son, if we all agreed on everything, then there’d be no need for war, and then “the man” wouldnt make any money… lol

Well.. I don’t know about reptillian aliens but I do know for a fact that “aliens” are real. All throughout our history they are documented. Even now we continue to observe them whilst they observe us. There’s a movie called the fourth kind. It’s not a doco, or an opinion. Just a movie based on events which occured in Nome, Alaska this century.

Honestly, there’s no disputing that. But not to dwell, they are there and we are here.

As for having a different opinion fair dues.

hey, very interesting video for view, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_HLj2Q_B4I

I love the extreme anthropocentrism of 21st century conspiracy theory – how the likes of Eisen now see fomerly natural events such as earthquakes – or even seemingly innocuous natural phenomena like cloud formations – as caused by HAARP raygun blasts, chemtrails and the like. The connotations are that the evil Illuminati/alien/NWO have developed such super-sophisticated technology that they are effectively gods who can control the natural processes of the entire planet. So the conspiracist history of earth goes something like: earthquakes and other natural disasters are perfectly natural until the late 20th/21st century,
when they suddenly become man-made – as if one day the earth suddenly decided to have no more earthquakes, so that any quake after that date has to be – can only be – the result of HAARP super-energy weapon attacks.

This conspiracist abnegation of nature as an agent in human affairs is a prime example of the technophiliac tendencies at the heart of Western modernity run amok. It’s also fascinating in that it actually reaffirms the power of those groups that conspiracists like Eisen are obsessed with. For example, the USA is the ultimate conspiracy bogeyman, since, as the world’s hyperpower, it must also be the favoured nation for the nefarious machinations of the Illuminati, Bilderbergers, Reptilians etc. But conspiracy theories such as “the USA has a secret earthquake weapon” reinforce precisely the idea of America as a technologically invincible nation wielding unlimited power over the rest of the globe – an idea that is central to the mythologies (and pathologies) of American nationalism and imperialism. One might suggest that Eisen and his ilk are actually unwitting PR dupes reinforcing and promoting the very ideologies that they are presumably fighting against. If I was a CIA intelligence officer (which no doubt I will be directly accused of, along with being a ‘Zionist shill’ (don’t disappoint me, I’ve got bets riding on this))I’d think this conspiracy idea of the earthquake gun a great ploy to exercise. Threaten some ‘unfriendly’ state like Iran with the earthquake gun – ‘you saw what happened to Haiti, China, New Zealand and Japan, didn’t you?’- as an incentive to change their ways to something more amenable with American interests….

Genellikle ergenlik çağlarında kız çocuklarında daha sık ortaya çıkan, sırt ve/veya bel bölgelerinde omurganın yana doğru eğriliğidir. Omurgadaki eğrilik 10-20 dereceden fazla olduğunda göğüs kafesinde, kalçada ve omuz seviyelerinde şekil bozukluğu olur.

Rolysourtly!!!!
Well said dude…
I like your way of thinking…

Rolysourtly, I have seen many posts similar to yours before. I doubt anyone will accuse you of being CIA and sorry to disappoint but I also doubt anyone will be accusing you of being a Zionist shill, please, get over yourself. Eisen says “Looks like” and “might be” another HAARP job. I haven’t heard anyone say that any quake – can only be – the result of HAARP. So, what do you know about HAARP??? You seem so sure of yourself so how about enlightening us with some evidence? I understand the point you are making here, as I said I have heard similar rants before but come on, if you are going to strike out like that offer some counter material at least. Do you think inducing an earthquake is beyond the will and means of those on power? I am still on the fence with all of this and interested in hearing information from both sides. Peace

HAARP yes, not alone tho. These recent earthquakes (think chch x2 Haiti, Chille x2 Japan) line up amazingly well with coronal holes (holes in the outer layer of the sun. These holes affect the suns magnetic field and in turn earths magnetic field.

These events give rise to an increased chance of tectonic unrest. This is documented with latitude of coronal disturbance correlating to earth latitude of the event.

Previously these chances have been evenly distributed. Regardless of the position of the coronal hole/magnetic anomaly. Historically you seldom here of many of these magnitude 7+ earthquakes as they occur in unpopulated areas.

However recently the influence of HAARP has been tuned to ensure these events DO occur (when the powers decide) Hence these large earthquakes in populated areas have increased dramatical in recent years.

Since HAARP is controlling which potential events unleash there has simply been a shift in were the earths bent up tectonic fury is unleashed.

This leaves a situation by where “experts” can claim the frequency of such events is unchanged. Yet their endgame of population reduction, controlled demolition of infrastructure, economic collapse and societal upheaval charges ahead.

Hard Ric, I like your post! If anyone here knows of any any good links for either side of the argument please share. Peace

“Conspiratorial thinking is not a brain malfunction. It’s our brain working properly, and doing exactly what it evolved to do.”

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4264

Way to take the skeptoid line out of context!

“As a result, we are afraid of the dark even though there’s rarely a monster; thunder frightens us even though lightning is scarcely a credible threat; and we perceive the menace of malevolent conspiracies in the acts of others, despite the individual unlikelihood of any one given example”

For anyone interested in HAARP, Illuminati, it may be of interest to learn about the significance of the numbers 22 and 11 in relation to intentional attacks/events that take many lives around the globe. These numbers are important to the men ruling this world and their religion – google 11′s illuminati or go to thehiddenlighthouse.blogspot.com Did you know the 22nd chromosome of the human body is the Christ Church chromosome… and look up 9/11 and the munich olympics … these things are ALL planned.

And yep, I’m a kiwi (Cantab) xx peace xx

Rolysourtly – you need to close your thesaurus and open your mind and intellect…

Google “illuminati card game japan quake” if you don’t believe that was man made!!!!

solar flares are related to earthuakes as is haarp the main haarp that causes quakes isnt in nz the chemtrails are there weekly they are worldwide. september maybe haarp febuary was not a natrual action having been in 5 quakes this was not the usual sway but an abrubt shock i recall a sonic boom around 2005 that shook concrete walls more than likley a tuning exercicse if some one thinks this is all coincidence they are on the the way to a huge shock as this is speculative i wont go on but if you belive this is happening do have 2 years worth of food water and be able to generate power yourself if in an emergency ie massive quake solarflare emp or haarp stay at home and hide and dont go out you will be taken away and taken care of i wish you all well and hope we all make it through 2013 2012 nothing will happen 2013 will be global chaos please be ready we all deserve to survive so good too see so many people seeing the world for what it is but remember protesters good or bad get databased and sold to the international powers if you want to make it dont waste time on lost people concentrate on like minded people you trust and build a survival plan for all events daunting it maybe but you have made it this far for a reason good luck my friends.

“Until you stop your nonsense and vote green, kiwis, then you are blindly, dumbly, being “she’ll be right” little fascists.”

What? Vote for low-lives whose attempts to change family violence (anti-smacking) not only REFUSED to acknowledge that the laws for common assault on children already existed, but that the enforcement efforts were inadquate?

You do realise it STILL IS inadequate, don’t you? It’s now more than 3 years later, and JUST LAST MONTH we have YET ANOTHER abuser being splashed across the news headlines.

Either the laws given are ineffectual, OR (my suspicion is), it’s not being enforced!! Just the usual isn’t it?

“too entertained, too boozed or drugged, to get together and join the rebels, people like Hone Harawira and Sue Bradford and all the Greens and Greenpeace .”

THE GM Food war was LOST more than 10 years ago.
The Green Party, was in coalition with Labour at the time!! The possibility that they will side with National in 2 days time (they haven’t exactly ruled them out) is galling, but when you consider Peter Dunne, so possible, to be SO SELF SERVING.

Bit like yourself really. Dollar each way is it? Sod off. Conservation of the environment doesn’t need a political party. It just needs common sense from ANY party. Of COURSE NZ isn’t clean and green, because us “little fascists” keep throwing their garbage indiscriminately on sidewalks, out car windows, IN NATIONAL PARKS…

If you think the Green Party are going to fix that situation, then you’ve been brainwashed.

“the greens never promise riches.” You would have loved to see Russell Norman talking taxation in the House on Budget day. Straight out of the Labour Playbook of “tax ‘em to death”.

But courtesy of an ETS, they get it anyway?

Just as a reminder of the crass stupidity you possess:

Hone Harawira, Sue Bradford and John Minto eh?
Yeah. Real “mana”.

“Until you stop your nonsense and vote green, kiwis, then you are blindly, dumbly, being “she’ll be right” little fascists.”

What? Vote for low-lives whose attempts to change family violence (anti-smacking) not only REFUSED to acknowledge that the laws for common assault on children already existed, but that the enforcement efforts were inadquate?

You do realise it STILL IS inadequate, don’t you? It’s now more than 3 years later, and JUST LAST MONTH we have YET ANOTHER abuser being splashed across the news headlines.

Either the laws given are ineffectual, OR (my suspicion is), it’s not being enforced!! Just the usual isn’t it?

“too entertained, too boozed or drugged, to get together and join the rebels, people like Hone Harawira and Sue Bradford and all the Greens and Greenpeace .”

THE GM Food war was LOST more than 10 years ago.
The Green Party, was in coalition with Labour at the time!! The possibility that they will side with National in 2 days time (they haven’t exactly ruled them out) is galling, but when you consider Peter Dunne, so possible, to be SO SELF SERVING.

Bit like yourself really. Dollar each way is it? Sod off. Conservation of the environment doesn’t need a political party. It just needs common sense from ANY party. Of COURSE NZ isn’t clean and green, because us “little fascists” keep throwing their garbage indiscriminately on sidewalks, out car windows, IN NATIONAL PARKS…

If you think the Green Party are going to fix that situation, then you’ve been brainwashed.

“the greens never promise riches.” You would have loved to see Russell Norman talking taxation in the House on Budget day. Straight out of the Labour Playbook of “tax ‘em to death”.

But courtesy of an ETS, they get it anyway?

Just as a reminder of the crass stupidity you possess:

Hone Harawira, Sue Bradford and John Minto eh?
Yeah. Real “mana”.

Mangoat, Precisely!

Way to take the skeptoid line out of context!

“As a result, we are afraid of the dark even though there’s rarely a monster; thunder frightens us even though lightning is scarcely a credible threat; and we perceive the menace of malevolent conspiracies in the acts of others, despite the individual unlikelihood of any one given example”

I did that intentionally to tempt the conspiracy nut jobs to read the Skeptoid thing.

Would like to subscribe to any newsletter or periodical you have available.

thanks

sofia

the senators and congressmen were back in christchurch this week for more secret meetings see todays Press 12/1/12 !!!

I live in east Chch, New Brighton to be exect, and on “shake heavy” nights like last night 14-15 jan. I can hear a pulsing hum, and it was particularly strong last night
but my partner Nicky doesn’t hear it. Anyone in Christchurch hear it I would love to know!
p.s I saw the ufos on new yr. eve
not chinese lanterns or meteorites !!

Martin, I heard no such hum here in Riccarton..
Did you assume that the UFOs you saw were alien spacecraft?

Martin,can not say i have heard the hum you have,but im about 30ks north of you
gary is a troll

hi Gary
no I didnt assume aliens. Ufo meens unidentified, hence I can say what they were’nt I can only speculate as to what they were.
I had sufficient time grab some 7×50 binos and take a look.
The bright orange colour was due reflection from the sun so they had to be fairly high altitude.
Once they moved out of the sun,s rays they became invisible to the naked eye but still visible through binos as a vaguely defined metallic structure, no sign of strobes or running lights.

This man Jim Stone ..
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html

Has pointed out a few anomalies in the Official Japanese Quake story .. He also says that he has been the recipient of death threats.

See what you think .. Nukes and tectonic plates is it possible ?

Ivor,
I,m not entirely convinced by Stones’ theory, but he might be on to something.Certainly the Isrealis seem to turn up at these disaster zones [fukushima,christchurch] but I have my doubts about nukes causing the quakes. I think HAARP would be more likely.On the other hand the explosions at the reactor might be a different story. hmmm, dunno.

Hello Martin,

I go along with your take, my knowledge of physics is insufficient for me to make a firm judgement.

Yet the images and comment from Stones website leave me with the feeling of a tracking dog when it loses the trail .. there is something strange with what I am seeing and the official Japanese explanations of the disaster.

I remember the Israeli Medical Team at the Haiti Disaster and the rumors of the harvesting of body organs from the victims. Of course the US Navy and Marines just happened to be in the area at the time.

How could anyone of us forget 9/11 and the discovery of the Military grade thermite in the dust from the collapse. The FBI carried out an aerial survey to see what if any hotspots (Radiation) existed in New York. Surprise surprise the Israeli Embassy nearly blew the fuses on the FBI detectors.

Suitcase Nuclear Bombs in every Israeli Embassy which would be evacuated prior to detonation. Nuclear blackmail could be part of the Samson scenario and one must admit that all Politicians of the majority of nations roll over to these people who are openly committing genocide in Gaza.

So it goes on and as for the Christchurch Quake it just so happened that some of the movers and shakers from the Katrina disaster just happened to be in Chch not long before the quake.

At the end of the day I have to think how many coincidences does it take before one smells the rats in the kitchen?

Benjamin Fulford claims to be something of an authority on what is potentially HAARP man made earthquake applications.

Anyone interested in looking into it further can put his name into youtube.

What about this antenna array at Birdlings flat? heard it was pumping out 2.5Hz pulses, supposedly earthquake frequency.
With Reflex and Quantum geophysical already here before the quakes started, and u.s. congressmen, senators etc. paying visits it all stinks of oil.
Tag Oil is now calling NZ “Texas of the south”.One of HAARPs uses is remote prospecting, yes??
Whereare John Key’s shares invested?

Benjamin Fulford is a very interesting guy,i remember watching an interview with him and Rockefeller about 5yrs ago,Rockefeller looked very uncomfortable,he must have some clout
Martin i also heard about the antenna at Birdlings flat but must confess i know little about HAARP or what it is capable of
john key has all of his investments in a blind trust,but his so called blind trust is run by a close personal friend,nothing criminal going on there (yeh right)

Ivor,
stumbled across something while looking up weather modification. Ever heard of project Seal ?
It may relate to your man Jim Stones’ artificial tsunami/quake theory and it was developed right here in NZ. Officially a failure, but (surprise surprise) there are hints that work continued….

Thanks Martin .. I will follow that up.

Wow Martin .. Perhaps there is more than a kilo of proof in Steels article .. this was an eye opener ……………

There is little doubt that this tsunami weapon was further developed and refined over the ensuing decades, though all documents related to current developments of the project are almost certainly still classified.

Though it may seem far-fetched to imagine military involvement, these documents and reports raise serious questions about the recent tsunami in Japan and the December 26, 2004 tsunami in Indonesia.

The many layers of intense secrecy both in the government and military result in very few people being aware of the gruesome capabilities for death and destruction that have been developed over the years.

Were it not for the below article in New Zealand’s leading newspaper, the public would never have known that a tsunami bomb had been created many decades ago. No one denies that highly destructive weapons are being developed in secret by the militaries of the world. What the public doesn’t know is what these weapons are, and what they are being used for.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_tsunami37.htm

All of this is generally classified for reasons of “national security.”

Sadly, the rubric of “national security” has all too often been used for secret political and economic gains which clearly do not benefit the public. Operation Northwoods, uncovered by ABC News in the year 2000, showed that the top Pentagon generals were willing to foment terrorism and sacrifice innocent civilians in order to provoke a war with Cuba in the early 1960s.

Credible researchers into the government’s HAARP program are convinced that this technology which manipulates our ionosphere is being used for military means and can even play a role in natural disasters like earthquakes. Because of this, we have to ask the hard questions.

It is unprecedented in recorded history for two major tidal waves to occur less than seven years apart.

The more I read about HAARP the more I believe in its purported abilities. 6 months ago I had serious doubts, but not anymore.
Ignore the hyped up conspiracy clips on youtube, take a look at the stuff that seems dull.The Stanford research papers, the patent files etc. Interestingly, all the HAARP patents are currently owned by Raytheon, the same military contractors currently running the Deep Freeze base at ChCh airport.(soon to be replaced by Lockheed Martin).
Raytheon also has a long history of shadowy activities at the infamous Area 51.
To get an idea of what HAARP can do(and this is only the stuff they,re telling) look up “ionosperic mirrors consisting of a steerable plasma layer” and related subject “ionospheric heating and beam painting” once you sift through the scientific jargon & think about potential applications, well,all the crazy conspiracy talk doesn’t seem so far fetched after all….

Martin .. that is real skin crawling stuff .. they do not know what they are doing to the Earths natural magnetic sheath .. definitely mad scientist stuff and definitely fits the Christchurch scenario .. remember the bunch of Govt and Scientific dorks having lunch .. such a lot of bigwigs all over it.

Not long after the Quake I had a look in to a scientific blog spot with a forum .. it appeared to be composed of retired has been’s .. the academic snide and snobbery had to be seen to be believed .. they think they are the only intelligent life in the universe .. I mentioned HAARP and they nearly blew a fuse lol.

It certainly seems as though its economic or genocide .. Steels take on it seems to have much going for it.

ok, I’ve already posted this on “FRACKING CANTRBURY” page on this site , but see todays news, for instance Stuff.co.nz
Bob Parker to request a moratorium
on fracking in the Canterbury basin.
Note that a couple of weeks ago fracking was suspended in Ohio after their earthquakes started.
Regardless of whether or not the quakes here were initiated by human activity you can be sure that the commencement of fracking will only aggrivate seismic activity.
If the quakes are man made then it makes sense. How else would you evacuate the eastern suburbs of ChCh without a show of military force? And then our “generous” government “offers” to buy the “worthless” land.
I don’t fancy Bob Parker’s chances of a moratorium, he’s up against the heavyweights of the NWO. I thought they would have given him the message when they had lunch together afew weeks back?

ps. this is exactly what I told my workmates was going on back in february and they laughed. Not so funny any more, is it????

Sorry Marty but they are still laughing.

The Fracking looks like the missing link Martin .. What a load of bastards .. All done in plain sight. Well the peoples turn will come and in the not too distant future .. a peoples court and a bullet to the base of the skull should knock the evil out of their heads.

Are you talking about the fracking in Canterbury that caused the Christchurch quakes Ivor?

Gary are you saying that you think fracking already started back in 2010 ? I doubt it as Reflect & Quantum (&HAARP?) were still prospecting prospecting under Gerry Brownlee’s contract at that stage.
What I suspect is either:
The methods used for prospecting re-activated “dormant” faults,or;
The quakes were deliberately induced using HAARP.
What concerns me as a resident of east ChCh is that fracking will not only result in amplified seismic activity but also contaminate our aquifers.
Perhaps you could enrich the discussion by illuminating us with your take on the subject Gary. You never seem to grace with anything longer than one sentence.
Ivor I sympathize with you totally however I think execution is stooping to their level. I prefer to beleive in karma. These NWO guys will be their own undoing. I fight by listening, learning & then passing that info on to whoevers listening.
I have contacted Lianne Dalziel regarding my concerns about the fracking issue.Don’t just talk about this stuff, get your local (trustworthy) mp working for you.
In the meantime, what’s the opinion on Project Bluebeam.?
Is the NWO gearing up for a fake armageddon late this year or, will nature provide the real deal as per the Mayan calendar? Waddya reckon?

Project Blue Beam is just another crazy conspiracy theory.

Martin, do you think that there is a chance that the Chch quakes are a natural phenomenon. Perhaps the result of on going tectonic plate movement?

Sure Gary, thats entirely possible of course. In the 30 years I,ve lived in ChCh I’ve experienced many tremors and minor quakes.
According to a 2008 geological report I read recently, geologists were aware of many hidden faults beneath Canterbury that were unmapped.
The reason I suspect that the recent quakes were, shall we say “aggravated” by human activity is basically too many “coincidences”.For an excellent summary of these “coincidences” see todays top posts on this site.
For me, the questions are:
Were these quakes triggered accidentally or deliberately?
Even if the quakes were triggered accidentally, did our government and their American friends seek to exploit the situation at the expense of the people of ChCh.?

Ps.
Gary almost forgot. You did two sentences, well done!
I’ll talk about my thoughts on Bluebeam shortly,MH.

Martin,
Coincidences happen all the time. They are the grass that feeds the conspiracy sheeple.

How many coincidences are too many? Where do you draw the line?

My responses are short because I am busy. Uncensored is just a little light entertainment for me. I began trying to counter the nonsense of the anti vaccers but soon realised that anti-vaccination is a faith based opinion and so can’t be changed by providing information. So now it is just a bit of fun. I really shouldn’t pick on the delusional but I guess I am just a bad person. That previous sentence should get some agreement even from Scotty

I hope you are coping OK with the quakes Martin. I have been lucky to have only superficial damage to my house (which is being repaired right now). Unlucky to lose three friends in the CTV building though. But as us old people often say, there many worse off than me.

Gary,as I’ve said elsewhere on this site, I think its the fault of the guys who keep taking the bait and nutting off at you.It’s you that wins every time.
I try to keep an open mind on conspiracy issues and enjoy a debate rather than just have everyone agree all time.

Yes, we are coping ok. Have moderate house damage but repairable. Lower half of our street is “history” though.Mostly red zone. My two kids Luke age 5, Jessica age 3, have both coped astoundingly well, the constant aftershocks don’t bother them.
I like to think positively about the future, and hope that Christchurch will be a better place after all this (as long as the oil guys don’t “frack it up”)
Sorry about your 3 buddies.

Now, Gary, back to this Bluebeam issue…..!

@Martin and Gary

Hi Martin .. I have to say mea culpa re taking the bait but the bait was taken for my reasons .. Apart from Gary .. He provided me with the perfect foil to disseminate a lot of info ..

Probably most of that was old hat stuff .. but there have been a few snippets helped someone on a journey then that makes it worth the work.

Gary you have continually addressed me like you were a NAZI don’t pollute our genetic pool blah blah .. How crude .. You are not a naughty person in your world because I think you may be a sociopath .. but then I see you showing empathy for Martin .. Which of those two sides is the real you?

So that is how you get your kicks ? .

What a sad regimented world you live in ..

OK Martin lets get back to this Blue Beam issue .. keep it simple newby here

Gary…. you say project blue beam is just another “crazy conspiracy theory”. I’m not saying that I believe it but for you to completely discount the theory without offering any further explanation or evidence is…. weak. I have now seen plenty of evidence to suggest the ChCh quake was potentially man made. That reminds me of this John Key video actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CZD_THg1iM Also wondering what your thoughts are on 9/11? Just to get a better understanding of where you’re at… Peace

“He provided me with the perfect foil to disseminate a lot of info … “

I know, right ?

They never seem to grasp that.

Too busy with their own ‘Motivated Reasoning’ to notice.

“I have now seen plenty of evidence to suggest the ChCh quake was potentially man made. “

Gary’s certainly in no position to prove that it wasn’t man made.

If someone has information or evidence that it was one way or another.

Then I would like to see it.

I don’t need someone to tell me what to think.

I don’t need someone to ridicule me into (or out of) believeing something (gary).

O.K.Guys. Project Bluebeam (snd this DOES eventually relate to canty. quakes subject eventually!)
Ask me about this 6 months back I’d agree with Gary. Now I think its somethihg big. Its disinformation. I’ll assume you all know how that works.
One of my long term interests has been ufology. Now,I beleive that a few of the more sensational cases were “theatrical” simulations. The Rendlesham forest case, for instance.
But the roots of Bluebeam go back much further. I beleive the seeds of the idea were sown in the public reaction to the 1938 radio dramitisation of War of the Worlds.
A lot of people in high places took note of the panic it caused.
Lets go back a little further though. World war One.1914. A “supernatural” event known as “The angel of Mons”. Smoke, fog, a powerful projection lamp and a few hoax correspondences created a powerful myth of an angelic army protecting British & French forces.
Ever heard of a guy called Steven Spielberg? Hang on to your seats folks, there’s more to follow. I’ll be back….

ok,here we go.Spielberg.Remember Jaws? Those of you old enough to remember 1975 will recall the phobia that movie caused.People stayed away from the water in droves. Spielberg has a gift.
His next movie was Close encounters of the 3rd Kind. UFOs.
The US govt. set up a faked catastrophe (nerve gas spill) to clear prying citizens away from an impending encounter with aliens who have never heard of stealth.Two things of note:
The spectacular ufo sound & light show was accomplished by a SPFX genius called DOUGLAS TRUMBULL. Remember the name!
Secondly the incredibly realistic animatronic alien at the end of the movie.Today everyone would instantly recognise this as a “short grey”.Before this movie, aliens came in all sorts of shapes & sizes.What effect did this movie have on our perception of what aliens should look like?
Spielberg stuck with the alien theme for his next movie, E.T.
Heres where things get interesting.Before this movie is publicly released, Spielberg is invited by Reagan to a special screening at the White house. Reagan leans close to Spielberg & whispers “I’ll bet ya there arent six people in this room who know how true this movie is”(Spielberg has confirmed the truth of this story).Immediately following the screening, Reagan attends a scheduled meeting to discuss space defense issues.NASA are not invited.
Fast forward to 1985.Geneva summit conference.Reagan speaking to Michael Gorbachev:”How much easier your task and mine would be…if suddenly there was a threat to this world …from another planet.We’d forget all the little local differences between our countries..”
Los Angeles, Olympic Games opening ceremony:A flying saucer lands, an alien emerges and salutes human endeavour. The theatrical simulation is co-ordinated by Spielberg.
Stay tuned folks, things get wierdr when we discuss the talented Mr. Trumbull !!

” My two kids … have both coped astoundingly well, the constant aftershocks don’t bother them.”

Good for you Martin. I have noticed that the kids take their cue from their parents. If the parents are unnerved by the shakes, then their kids are understandably rattled too.

You have obviously set a good example. I hope you are looking after their health too and making sure they get all their vaccinations. My kids did and they are now healthy highly intelligent young adults, also taking the earthquakes in their stride.

re Bluebeam, if you read this you may be inclined to doubt its veracity.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Beam

Interesting Martin .. what else do you have on the matter .. thanks.

No no no stop it Martin. You’ll just give old Ivor something else to believe in along with all the other conspiracies.

Eureka
I have discovered what ails Garry…

Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy … It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished … Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible …

Bertrand Russell – The Impact Of Science On Society

Hi folks, Yes Gary you got that right, it’s all about the parents reaction.Sorry Ivor, respect your views but I made an informed choice to vaccinate my kids. No ill effects I can assure you.
Now Gary, I’m just getting started on the Bluebeam thing. Stick around Ivor, my next post on the subject (tommorow) will be EPIC!
Yes, Gary, Its a screwball,mentally deranged plot, but remember my comment about disinformation? All will become clear and I intend to keep it entertaining as there’s a lot of ground to cover, most of it seems really far fetched, but, just wait and see where the trail leads!
Glad you’re still reading this stuff. I’m having fun.

Cheerful, positive sort of a fellow, this Bertrand Russell, eh?

Martin .. what you do with your children is your affair .. Health Freedom is the name of the game. I made an informed choice not to vaccinate my 3 children and no ill effects I assure you, but judging from Garry,s performance he obviously did have some ill effects right back to blue ring .. err sorry blue beam.

Well he was a facist bastard as I recall, but I am sure that what he is saying is no more outlandish than Blue Beam ..

Well said, Ivor.Like I put, I do respect your views, and free choice is what its all about.
Martin’s bed time now! see you tommorrow, time permitting.

““He provided me with the perfect foil to disseminate a lot of info … “

I know, right ?

They never seem to grasp that.

Too busy with their own ‘Motivated Reasoning’ to notice.”

So you guys wouldn’t be posting all this info unless there are people challenging you?

Yeah right.

Ah, the bitter irony of you guys accusing others of ‘motivated reasoning’

“When people form and cling to false beliefs despite overwhelming evidence, the phenomenon is labeled “motivated reasoning” (wikipedia)

So the evidence for a manmade earthquake in CCH is overwhelming, huh?

If the evidence was overwhelming we would’nt be asking questions or discussing possible scenarios.
I’ll repeat myself for your benefit Neo: either its entirely natural, entirely manmade, or any number in-betweens.
I don’t have any “false beliefs” on this issue as I haven’t reached any firm conclusions yet.If however you have anything constructive to offer I’m listening.How do you like my Bluebeam story so far?

C,mon Martin get on with it, never mind the bric bats ..

Blue Beam cont,d.
Come with me now on a magic carpet ride to 1967.We’re on the film set of Kubrick’s “2001″. Despite tight security we note the presence of an intruder called ROBERT TEMPLE.However we’re here to see DOUGLAS TRUMBULL.
Young mr. Trumbull has been hired to do the spfx alongside Willy Veever. Arthur C. Clarke’s screenplay calls for shots of a gigantic monolith ORBITING SATURN that has been SIGNALLING EARTH. Trumbull’s having “ring trouble” so Kubrik tells him to forget the rings & change it to Jupiter.
The scene Trumbulls creating involes a lone astronaut entering a STARGATE. He goes on a PSYCHEDELIC JOURNEY to the alien homeworld where he is eventually “reborn” as an embryonic STARCHILD.
Fast forward to 1977. We,re at the movies watching “Close Encounters”
Trumbull’s impressive mothership has been SIGNALLING EARTH and has now landed. The little grey aliens have selected a lone man, Roy Neary, to go with them on a PHSYCEDELIC JOURNEY to their homeworld. Moments after Neary enters the Big Shiny Bauble, a single childlike entity emerges from the light and smiles at the assembled humans. Is this Roy Neary transformed into a STARCHILD ?
1978:The production of “Star Trek; The Motion Picture” is in crisis.Only 5 months to deadline and not asingle fx shot completed. Doug Trumbull to the rescue!Not only does he complete the eye-popping fx sequences, but director Robert Wise allows him to completely re-write some major scenes.
In these scenes, a lone astronaut (Spock) penetrates an orifice (chuckle) akin to 2001s STARGATE. H e takes a PSYCHEDELIC JOURNEY to the aliens homeworld and experiences mystical revelations.When the films climax comes (more chuckles) a member of the crew ,ahem, “joins” with a living machine, resulting in a spectacularly orgasmic light-show. the end result is the birth of a STARCHILD, “possibly the next step in our evolution”.
Now this could be simply a case of Hollywood recycling the same plot in different packaging, or someone is pushing an agenda, manipulating our ideas and expectations. Perhaps they are trying to prepare us for something?
We’ll return to the subject of Star Trek soon as it is a VERY important part of the Blue Beam story.
In August 2011, Mr. Trumbull announced an interesting new venture. He has developed a method for obtaining razor-sharp photos of UFOs for anew documentary series forthcoming. His announcement conveniently coincides with a worldwide spike in UFO sightings!
Coming Next…We go AWOL to kill the Antichrist. And the bizzarre tale of Serge Monast!

Razor sharp pictures of UFOs?
Can you show me some, or have they all been mysteriously supressed.

PAY ATTENTION GARY!
We have yet to see this, it’s forthcoming for a documentary TV series.
The only “razor sharp” UFO pics I’ve seen to date are the kind taken by Swiss farmers with a passion for growing Bonsai trees and filming 1/25 scale model saucers next to them, hehehe!

Interesting thought:maybe Trumbull’s gonna use his spfx skills to project holographic UFOs & then photograph them? Good way to ensure results!!!

“If the evidence was overwhelming we would’nt be asking questions or discussing possible scenarios.
I’ll repeat myself for your benefit Neo: either its entirely natural, entirely manmade, or any number in-betweens.
I don’t have any “false beliefs” on this issue as I haven’t reached any firm conclusions yet.If however you have anything constructive to offer I’m listening.How do you like my Bluebeam story so far?”

This is all interesting reading Martin – thanks.

Congratulations on having an open mind – that makes you a fairly rare beast on this forum.

“….We have yet to see this, it’s forthcoming for a documentary TV ….”

TV “documentary” ! Well then, if it’s on TV and called a ” documentary ” then it must be true.

Forthcoming like Wakefields day in court? Ha ha, looking forward to that (I will be disappointed though because Wakefield will chicken out.) Or will he be mysteriously ‘suppressed’?

Come on man, it’s Sunday. Send the wife and kids off to church and get on with the rest of the Blue Beans story. We are all dying to learn what happens next.

What? tou don’t believe everything you see/hear on Discovery channel?
I thought it was a pillar of impartial truth and cold, hard facts….YEAH RIGHT !
I’ll be back with Bluenose, Imean Blue Beam this aft. It gets good too.

I think I am anwering Martin. I wouldnt judge by our children not having vaccines. Children whose Grand parents & even better Parents fare better than those who have generations who have been vaccinated. These poisons are passed down generations.
My grandaughters were not affected but their history is clean. Many wont live to see the disasterous effects in future generations. It is criminal.

Sorry “Childre who have not had Vaccine Problems.”

And, Judy, your evidence for this is???

Or have you just made it up?

No you’ve got the wrong target judynz. I couldn’t give a toss whether or not you vaccinated your kids as long as you are happy about your decision. Go preach to someone else. Bye.
Back to my story….

Hi JudyNZ .. the correct thread is .. http://uncensored.co.nz/2011/11/28/inject-children-or-lose-money-australian-government/

I do like your remark about the problem being visited on future generations .. that shows that you think .. thank you for that contribution .. any thing you further have to say will get a fair hearing on the link provided.

Best
Ivor

And Martin .. how does one separate preaching from story telling ? Surely they are both meant to convey a message ??

I am quite willing to listen to yours but it seems awfully slow in the same manner as the weekly Beano .. get on with it man.

Blue Beam Continued….
“We deal now not with things of this world alone.We deal with the ultimate conflict between a UNITED HUMAN RACE and sinister forces from some other planetary galaxy.”
General Douglas MacArthur, West Point speech, 1962.
Yup, old MacArthur had a screw loose alright. Sound familiar though? remember what Reagan said to Gorbachev in ’85 ?
Groucho Marx once remarked that “Military Intelligence” is a contradiction in terms. Bear this in mind as we time travel to 1990.
July 9. 3 weeks befote the invasion of Kuwait by the evil Darth, err, I mean Saddam Hussein.
701st Intelligence Brigade, Augsburg,Germany.
Six U.S Army intelligence specialists go AWOL. They are not caught until July 14th. They turned up in Gulf Breeze, Florida (at the time a centre of alleged UFO activity.) They were interrogated by the CIA and NSA.It turned out that they had received something through Intelligence channels they weren’t supposed to see.As a result they made it their mission to go to Gulf Breeze to Kill the Antichrist (I’m not pulling your leg here !) because war was about to break out in the Middle East (true) and upon killing the Antichrist these six deserters intended to greet the flying saucer fleet heralding the Second Coming of Christ!!!!
One of the six claimed to be recieving “beamed” psychic instructions on what to do.
On July 25 the Florida media recieved a Teletype message:
US ARMY
FREE THE GULF BREEZE SIX
WE HAVE THE MISSING FILES, THE
BOX OF 500+PHOTOS AND THE PLANS
YOU WANT BACK.
ANSWER CODE AUGBB3CM

The six were promptly issued general discharges and released.
And so to the questions:
The files, photos and plans contained at least one element of truth (impending war in the Middle East). What about the rest? some sort of military code disguised as nonsense. Saddam = Antichrist, UFOs = USAF, Gulf Breeze = Iraq ?
Another possibility: this nonsense was intended to make a fool out of someone who was getting too close to the truth about something big.
Either way,the same basic storyline would soon reappear in an even more dramatic form.
Welcome to our list of Characters, Mr. Norio Hayakawa, and “Mister Blue Beam” himself, Serge Monast !

Happy reading. See you this evening for the next exciting chapter…..

Hi Ivor, I define the difference in preaching & storytelling as the difference between passing on knowledge in a (hopefully) entertaining way, and being lectured on what I should or shouldn’t do. Thanks for redirecting judynz to the right thread, I stand corrected, I should have been more polite and done the same, peace & goodwill,MH.

That is a nice linking of the dots Martin .. I like it .. Have you ever stared at the back of someones head ? to have them turn around and look at you ??

Well never mind .. please continue

Okay, Project Blue Beam.
1993. A UFO investigator, musician and New Age guru Named Norio Hayakawa writes of “the Grand Deception of 1995″.This deception begins with an ill-fated war in the Middle East. This will be followed by unprecedented worldwide earthquake activity,a global financial crisis,and evacuation/relocation of segments of the population worldwide. These events will usher in the arrival of the New World Order, who will “stage a counterfiet extraterrestrial landing to simulate a ‘threat’ of invasion.”
Hayakawa tells us the true masterminds of this plot are “ultradimensional negative entities masquerading as aliens.(Note the similarity to David Icke’s “reptoids”)This Will all culminate in the arrival of a charismatic savior figure (the Antichrist).
Haven’t we heard this before ?
Clearly 1995 has passed without anything quite so dramatic and Hayakawa looked like a fool.Which is exactly what effective disinformation does. But disinformation contains elements of truth. Look again at Hayakawa’s tale. The date is bogus, obviously.
An ill-fated war in the middle East? Unprecedented worldwide earthquakes?Evacuation & relocation of segments of the community?Global financial meltdown?
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AROUND YOU !!!
Did Hayakawa get too close to some secret agenda & have to be discredited ? Was he a victim of the same bogus information stolen by the Gulf Breeze Six ?
Mr. Hayakawa is still active in the conspiracy field, but (allow me a moment to roll around laughing here) currently gives lectures on how UFO investigators are being manipulated and misled by government agencies. Speaking from experience, I guess.

And so to Serge Monast and Project Blue Beam. Monast was a journalist,poet, and a keen Social Credit Party supporter.Sometime in the early ’90s he began exploring the subject of secret societies and conspiracy plots. This was in Quebec, by the way. Now being an investigative journalist, Monast had plenty of contacts. Probably too many, it would seem. As he dug deeper he was starting to recieve some seriously disturbing, highly classified documents pertaining to a plot involving NASA. A plot called Project Blue Beam. Monast was apparrently repeatedly warned by politicians and secret service agents to stay away from the Blue Beam material, but in 1994 he went public on the subject.
In the next year he lectured and gave interviews on the subject. Still he was warned.Still he would not desist. In 1996 he had his two homeschooled children taken from him and made “wards of the state”.Understandably this tipped Monast,whose grip on reality was by this stage tenuos at best, over the edge. After spending a night in jail, Serge Monast suddenly died of a heart attack, age 51.
Adding fuel to the conspiracy fire was the chilling rumour that Monast had been assasinated a heart-stopping “x ray beam”.

So what is project Blue Beam ?
It begins with a subtle “mental conditioning” process involving sci fi movies pushing a certain message. Monast cites Kubrick’s 2001 and Spielberg’s “Close Encounters” and “E.T.” as examples.
Next come the wars, financial meltdown, and then the earth quakes and natural disasters at specific locations, with attendant archeological discoveries which change the way we think about human evolution and religious development.(This is indeed happening, but I’ll skip the details). Monast claims the earthquakes are artificially induced and the “discoveries” bogus or misrepresnted.

Next follows the Main Event: a spectacular worldwide sound & hologram show simulating an alien invasion. A simulated Armageddon ensues with all sorts of horrific manifestations. Then Jesus/Mohommad/The Meshiah/insert deity of choice here will appear to drive away the nasties and save us. You can predict the ending : all this mass deception will usher in the New World Order with, of course, the antichrist in charge.

All this was originally planned for the mid 1980′s but now postponed ’till 21/12/2012 to coincide with all the Mayan prophecy hysteria.

You can understand Gary’s reaction to this absurd piece of crap.No rational mind would believe this.
Yet three things immediately stand out here. Firstly that Monast’s story is nothing new.
Secondly, Gary’s understandable reaction indicates that, as an effective piece of disinformation, the Blue Beam story has done its job. No right-minded person would pursue this stuff. It appeals to the lunatic fringe like a cliff to lemmings, and:
Thirdly, in order for Monast (like Hayakawa before him) to take the bait, it must contain an element of truth.
Once again, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AROUND YOU! WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD? WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN N.Z.?
You are all acquainted with HAARP and its alleged capabilities. You are familiar with the allegations about “chemtrailling”
Why have UFO sightings spiked dramatically in the past month?
Why has StrangeSoundsintheSky.com suddenly gone from 100 hits per day to 40000! ?
Is somebody riding on the coattails of natural earth changes in order to “enhance” a simulated event, coinciding with a popularly hyped ancient prediction?
You can make up your own minds.
Can YOU distinguish fact from fiction ??

NOW HERE’S THE PUNCHLINE….
Thanks in part to the dilligent sluething of Christopher Knowles I have another piece of the puzzle.
In 1975, when Paramount first proposed a Star Trek feature film,Gene Roddenberry offered them a script. It was titled “The God Thing” In this story, a huge spacecraft approaches Earth.This machine (a living entity) proceeds to beam a SIMULATED ARMAGEDDON complete with earthquakes and holographic images of religious figures to “soften up” the populace in preparation for it’s takeover.The script is, Knowles says, too close to Monast’s Blue Beam scenario to be coincidence.
Knowles suggests that Intelligence agents who knew of the script, used it to discredit Monast.
I know something that Knowles has missed.
In the Early 70′s, Roddenberry became involved with a group of psychics, channelers and New-Agers called LAB 9. They claimed to be in contact with discarnate alien entites inhabiting a “conscious machine” ORBITING SATURN. These entities were the original 9 gods of Egypt and were preparing to return to Earth in a conscousness-altering “second coming” to intiate a New World Order.
The leader of this group was Dr. Andrija Puharich. Inventor of a radio reciever that fit in a fake denture to reciev “beamed” instructions.Master hypnotist. Agent of Uri Gellar. Stanford Reasearch Institute member. CIA agent. Puharich Quietly suggested to Roddenberry that the story of “the Nine” would make a great movie script……

THE END

The nub of this tale .. the national and supra-national consciousness is being manipulated for devious purposes.

I mean waddya yo Martin .. you could be on the payroll uf dese people .. but then, and given the party line spouted by many Western Influenced Nations we are all victims.

I for one would not attempt to discount what you have said because as a piece of a jigsaw puzzle (Whats it all about Alfie) it fits very well with the rest of it.

Stick a needle in the arm .. anything and I mean anything can be introduced to the body ..

Have a nice day folks ..

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1&pid=341

For the low down on the strange sounds in the sky.

The skeptic guide is a great podcast Martin.

As for the UFO sightings … Isn’t it strange that despite the vast number of high quality cameras available to Joe Public these days the videos and pictures of these Alien spacecraft are such poor quality. And take anything you read in the Huff Post with a bucket of salt.

Hi guys.
Gary, yeah I,m familiar with a number of sites addressing the “skysound” phenomena, both skeptic and “I’ll believe it all” gravitated. I mentioned Strangesoundsinthesky.com as it gives the most balanced and comprehensive overview, including the hoaxes and the solved cases.
I just wish I could find an equivalent UFO site…..
Your question about UFO photos is the most asked question (by skeptics and Believers alike)in all of Ufology. The sad fact is that when confronted with something unusual, how many have our camera in hand, at the ready, especially if you don’t want to take your eyes away. UFOs don’t generally “pose” for photos !
Remember Doug Trumbull ? Its a case of “wait and see I guess.
By the way I’ve NEVER seen a picture of an “alien spacecraft” only hoaxes, misperceptions of man made aircraft, and unidentified flying objects. The extraterrestril hypothesis is very unlikely. Not that I don’t beleive aliens exist, I just don’t see any firm evidence that any are paying us a visit.

Re. the subject of holographic UFOs with areligious connection see the Dome Of The Rock UFO clips on Youtube, BE WARNED there are several confirmed fake versions (and one really funny pisstake clip)
For a Christchurch connection theres some great still photos of what appear to be discs of plasma energy over New Brighton last year (earthquake lights? HAARP related?)
I’ll get back to you with details,can’t remember what I saw this under.
A HAARP/ ChCh. connection to ponder: American defense contractor Raytheon currently services the Operation Deep Freeze base at the airport. They are also involved in clandestine work at Area 51. Guess who owns all the patents pertaining to HAARP?

Ivor, my man, you think I could be “on their payroll”? you mean conscously and willingly ? In that case I sure wish they’d pay me more so I could pay off the mortgage quicker ! I’m as much a victim of the quakes as the next guy, I hope ya don’t think I HAARPed my own home (even though the dastardly bankers own most of it). Seriously, though I know what you mean. What can you believe? Whom can you trust? All you can do is educate yourself, keep your head screwed on and always seek the truth.
Heads up! On TV tonight 8.30 I think a Doco. on “The Wild Year about ChCh & Fukushima + other disaster events. Could make for interesting discussion?

Speak to you later folks, MH.

Those ChCh UFO pics are on youtube
http://www.toutube.com/watch?v jp VfxfVNA
Or at http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org.
Google UFO,radar anomaly, HAARP technology ?
One of these pics also appeared in Christchurch Press on a 2 page special feature on “earthquake warning signs”
Happy viewing.

Yes Martin, I am still waiting for my first cheque from Big Pharma for all the good work I do on this site.
Being a Big Pharma shill is a crap way to make a living.

@Gary

You post here because telling other people you’ve never met that they’re stupid gets you off.

Martin .. you must draw your own conclusions .. from what you have uncovered .. just as I do ..

Yeah ??

Martin, I don’t believe aliens exist. At the same time I dont believe that they don’t exist. I am waiting for evidence.

Similarly I don’t believe a God exists. I don’t believe a God does not exist either. I am waiting for evidence.

How ever in both cases I have seen no evidence for the existence of aliens or God so far. And I suspect that the evidence for the existence of alien life will be forthcoming long before any such evidence of a God.

So much that had been attributed to God has been shown, on closer inspection, to be more parsimoniously explained without resorting to the supernatural.

( that should wind up poor old Ivor)

oh, dear, religion and theology, another of my favourite subjects!
Is there a thread on this subject here we can carry on with this? it seems to be straying off the ChCh earthquakes somewhat, Gary, you
stirrer.

So Ivor, are you saying you actually CONCLUDE that I’m ” on the payroll” am I reading you right?
I haven’t drawn any conclusions from anything I don’t have evidence for. If there’s no conclusive evidence then I’m still looking for answers.

Thats not a HAARP array in my backyard, just a lot of closthelines, hahaha!

Thats not a HAARP array in my backyard, just a lot of closthelines,

Careful Martin, careful man .. there is almost a Division of piss on your dead body Yankee Marines stationed in OZ.

uurgh! Americas Ultimate Weapon…Grunt pee.
If those Marines arrive in NZ I’ll have to go bush.
Actually considering the numbers of Yank “dignitaries” traipsing into Christchurch, I’m surpised they’re not permanently stationed here. Like Lockheed-Martin will be in April….!

FAQs – Earthquakes Induced by Fluid Injection

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Q: How does the injection of wastewater at depth cause earthquakes?

A:

Earth’s crust is pervasively fractured at depth by faults. These faults can sustain high stresses without slipping because natural “tectonic” stress and the weight of the overlying rock pushes the opposing fault blocks together, increasing the frictional resistance to fault slip. The injected wastewater counteracts the frictional forces on faults and, in effect, “pries them apart”, thereby facilitating

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?faqID=356

Hi Ivor, This is basically the same issue as Fracking i.e. high pressure fluids for mining causing lubrication between fault surfaces.
GREAT FIND, Ivor.
I might just pass this inf. on to Lianne Dalziel.
I heard that even a “pro fracking” geologist recently warned against fracking in ChCh.
Since they’ve so far ignored all pleas to desist, you REALLY start to think it’s nthing accidental and they’re determined to finish the job. Presumably all in the name of oil & gas.
God Bless America !

Hello Martin .. I noticed that on Rense.com and passed it along because I know there has been a lot of flack about the matter from the science first people .. that should help to silence the parrot squawks.

“I haven’t drawn any conclusions from anything I don’t have evidence for. If there’s no conclusive evidence then I’m still looking for answers.”

Heretic!

Double negatives sure are fun.

http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/09/15/does-fracking-cause-earthquakes/

” Shale, which is the main kind of rock in which fracking is performed, is fragile. It splits easily. If a shale bed is under tectonic stress, it gives readily. Large tectonic pressures will not build up behind shale. Fracking the shale to break it up is unlikely to relieve any massive forces; as a pressure barrier, shale is a dog that won’t hunt.”

As usual, Brian Dunning makes a lot of sense.

Heretic. Neo thats a label I wear with pride. Thanks for the compliment. Or did you mean “hypocrite” ?

Now to more serious matters.
Thanks to a tipoff (take a bow Ivor) I have some serious ammunition in the fight to prevent fracking in the Canterbury basin.

I Googled the phrase “earthquake induction by fluid injection” and my jaw hit the floor.

Read carefully a few of the many scientific reports and research papers available and judge for yourself.

Do you still doubt that earthquakes can be artificially induced ?

It can be done and it has been done.

Whether or not this is what happened in Christchurch, we have no firm evidence. We can only speculate.

What is important now is to look to the future.
Clearly, fracking in the Canterbury Basin would be an act of madness.
By granting permits for this lunacy to proceed, Gerry Brownlee may well be signing our death warrants.

My first step in getting the information out will be a letter to the Press.

What next ?

Well now Martin .. that was some ants nest that you kicked .. circa 500 references in Google ..

Obviously letters to all of the press, plus TV news progs .. Is Ms Dalziel in contact with others who share your concerns ?

Is any of the fracking already happening ? Are there any Yankee companies already here ?

Foreshore and Seabed eh .. what a load of devious monsters .. anything for money even our children.

And of course that massive fault line that NZ sits on .. And Martin madness is putting it mildly.

Gary I took a look at your skepticblog. Brian Dunning is pretty selective with his information. He also admits he’s no authority on the subject, so I’ll to the experts. Like Dr. Paul White, Senior Groundwater scientist for GNS science who says fracking does induce siesmic activity. Though ssupposedly low magnitude, “with Mother Nature you can’t rule anything out”
Or British Geological Survey “any process that injects pressurised water into rock at depth is certain to cause racks resulting in siesmic activity” this is after low mag quakes started in a previously quake free area in England , at the site of the UK’s only active frackig operation.

I could go on & on here, but why not see for yourself, Gary, instead of consulting one skeptical (and therefore biased) non-expert. The only people saying fracking is safe are those working in the business, or for them.
And we haven’t even started on the toxic substances involved.

Martin, check out the ad hominem description in the following link.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

It looks like you have fallen into this false argument together with a bit of ‘argument from authority’.

Hey, we all do it when it suits our purpose. Makes your argument invalid though sorry.
And I think you will find on re reading Dunning that he consulted many authorities in preparing his little essay.

When you learn what a scientist means by seismic activity you may wish to reconsider your view. For example, most would agree that the vibration felt in your house from a truck rumbling down the street is a ‘seismic activity’.

Looks like Martin is the victim of power failure in eastern Christchurch. I hope it didn’t last too long and you had a nice BBQ dinner Thursday.

Yikes, Gary, that was like reading “war and peace”. I get the gist though. Fair criticism.
HOWEVER (you knew this was coming, regarding Mr. Dunning, if I’m guilty of bolstering my “false” argument with selective authoritive arguments, then so is he.As for quantfying seismic activity, the size of the vibration from a passing truck is dependant on many factors, how big is the truck? how fast is it travelling? How frequently does it pass. A mag. 0.5 earhquake lasting 10 seconds isn’t going to do much damage. If it continues for hours or days, then it is going to have some drastic effects. Duration is an important factor that the Pro Frackers are ommitting.
Take a look at the differnce between theory and analysis of real-world practical data. The figures and correlations are all there in the reports.
Are you familiar with Chaos mathematics and cascade effects?
Your “tiny little microquakes”, of extended duration, spell serious trouble.

Going off-subject, pertaining to the paleontological example used on your skepticsguide site:
If evolution theory is correct, then all species are in a constant state of change and adaption. Therefore all fossils are transitional forms.
However, as the fossil record is neither a complete nor continous record of earth’s prehistory, it cannot present conclusive evidence of the theory of evolution.
Since the creation of a fossil requires a specific combination of extraordinary circumstances, the fossil record can provide evidence of two things:

Fistly, that life on earth has undergone a series of mass extinctions evidenced by the manner in which death and fossilisation occurred, and:

Secondly,that both local and global catastrophic effects have occurred many times, resulting in a rapid preservation in an anearobic environment of various coeval flora and fauna.

Care to comment ?

PS, how did you enjoy the 3 mag. 4+ ground-rattlers last night. What a rumble! heard ‘em coming long before I felt ‘em.

Ha! just got your message. No it didn’t last long. Didn’t do the kids any harm to do without the telly for a bit.

Good points about the fracking Martin. I was talking to an oil exploration engineer just a couple of weeks ago and his opinion was that the science has not been done yet properly quantifying cost / benefit.
We had awful earthquakes here with no fracking. There have alway been huge earthquakes, long before fracking and radio.

Thanks Gary,
I basically agree that despite it being safe in theory, there needs to be much more science done.
How often have we seen a wonderful theory assaulted by a brutal gang of facts ?

Here’s my bottom line on the fracking issue:
Oil & gas extraction in the Canterbury Basin poses a potential threat to my family and the people of Christchurch.
We have been through enough already thankyou very much.

In order to change my attitude towards fracking, or even drilling, in this already “shaky” province, I would require from our government a 100% guarantee of safety, and full accountability for all parties involved.

None of us will get this guarantee, because GNS (who have been involved up to their necks in this debacle from the start) have announced that the quakes may go on “for decades”, thus providing a handy cover for any fracking generated siesmic activity.

Neat cover up job, GNS.

Martin, nothing can be 100% safe. Not even homeopathy, which is nothing but water. The water used could be contaminated with some poison by the shonky manufacturer.

Hey, maybe it was the drilling of the drinking water wells that destabilized Canterbury? Can you be 100% sure that drilling for water in Canterbury is safe?
Can you be 100% sure that you won’t trip up whilst walking down the street at sustain a severe head injury? If not, then surely you should wear a crash helmet at all times.

Silly I know, but nothing is 100% safe.

“If evolution theory is correct,….”

Martin, it is called a Theory precisely because it is correct.

“In science, an idea starts out as a hypothesis, or an educated guess as to why or how something is happening. Those hypotheses undergo a lot of experimental trials in various ways and data is collected. Over time, as more and more data is collected, a hypothesis can become a scientific theory. ”
http://evolution.about.com/od/Overview/g/What-Is-A-Scientific-Theory.htm

There is plenty of good stuff about evolution to be found here….
http://evolution.about.com/od/Overview/tp/5-Common-Misconceptions-Of-Evolution.htm

Fossils are just one part of the evidence for evolution and even without any fossils there is more than enough evidence to make evolution a theory in the scientific meaning of the word.

Now, about the world being flat……

Oh BTW, I probably won’t be appearing here much longer as Scotty has threatened to censor me. Strange that he should want to do that considering I provide the nut jobs here with the stimulus to post huge hunks of their anti vaccine, anti science rubbish.

Oh well, it has been fun while it lasted.

Martin, we don’t feel anything less than a 4 over here in Riccarton. A deaf friend in Fendalton didn’t even notice a recent 5.2.

Just had four rooms repainted by Fletcher’s. Just the kitchen floor and some guttering to go.

Looking forward to the alien invasion this year. Wink wink.

” Evolution is “just a theory”. The only problem with this is the common meaning of the word theory is not the same thing as a scientific theory. In every day speech, theory has come to mean the same as what a scientist would call a hypothesis. Evolution is a scientific theory, which means it has been tested over and over and has been supported by a lot of evidence over time. Scientific theories are considered a fact, for the most part. So while evolution is “just a theory”, it is also regarded as fact since it has plenty of evidence to back it up.”

Common sense shows that living things within a species show natural variation: some are taller or shorter, sing more or less sweetly, resist drought or waterlogging, and so on.
Common sense shows that this variation makes a difference in which individuals succeed in life, that is, which ones have the most offspring.
Common sense shows that plant and animal breeders can select from natural variations to create new breeds.
The hypothesis is that selection occurring by natural means, given time and the right environment, causes new species to arise. This hypothesis was first stated clearly and explored by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace about 150 years ago. (read the founding texts of evolution)
Science has confirmed each one of these points: biologists have found that life on Earth today acts exactly as if evolution were true. They continue to make the hypothesis more and more detailed—turning it into a framework of ideas, or scientific theory—and theory continues to be fully compatible with evidence. Biologists today carry out their profession securely within the theory of biological evolution. (more from the About Biology site)

Notice that this theory addresses how new species arise, not how life came to be in the first place. The question of the origin of life is not part of evolutionary theory.

http://geology.about.com/od/evolution/a/aa_nutshel_evol.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/evolutionexplained/tp/EvolutionScienceFAQ.htm

Gary, ther are currently a number of theories and variants doing the rounds, they can’t all be correct now can they? I can assure you that nothing about earth’s prehistory has been proven beyond doubt. The only thing that IS certain is that the creationist “theory” can be consigned to the garbage bin.
You would be astounde at the amount of juggling and selectivity and rejection of evidence scientists have been through in order to bolster the evolution theory over the years.
While I have no conclusions to make on grounds of insufficient evidence, I reckon an alternative evolution-based scenario called “punctuated Equilibrium” shows promise.Anyhow….

I will be sorry to see go, this site needs guys like yourself to provide serious challenges and keep us thinking. No challenge, no growth, right?
Its rather ironic, Scotty, that you would wish to censor Gary on a website called UNCENSORED!!!!!
So much for freedom of speech and all that I guess.Welcome to the 4th Reich.

Don’t worry about the aliens Gary, Jesus will save you !

I would hesitate to try to put a number on scientific theories that have been discarded .. starting with the Phlogiston THEORY,

Eggs are good for you .. eggs are bad for you .. alcohol is bad for you .. red wine helps prevent heart attacks .. potatoes are bad for you .. potatoes are good for you .. vitamins and minerals are good for you .. vitamins and minerals are bad for you. This matter has been clearly dealt with in the Age of Autism newsletter.

One gets that story after a little while and starts to apply some common sense to these scientific dick heads .. I read that Zebras are striped because it helps to repel flies .. and for this piece of ho hum so what bullshit .. we all have to pay to support these kindergarten idiots.

Martin ..

I think the term uncensored as in this forum does not mean that one has to be insulted in the most malign way .. such as do not pollute our gene pool with yours .. sewer rats, sorry rats.

This particular man never fails to do his job as a troll ..and drags others into his nonsense .. one is never allowed to develop an idea without his continual put downs.

If you think that behavior is ok .. then that that kind of behavior if repeated in public place would cause a severe breach of the peace. But of course it is never done face to face is is it ?? .. I wonder why??

“I wonder why?”

It’s because if you don’t do it face to face

then there are no immediate or perceived consequences from the people one does it to.

As someone recently and eloquently pointed out :

Gary Rees (as a troll or as himself) has been pissing on this website for years.

The important thing about -that-

is what Ivor points out above.

“one is never allowed to develop an idea without his continual put downs.”

That is part of how suppression techniques WORK.

And that would be fine if discourse on this website was a purely academic exercise.

Gary could sit there lubing up his ego to his heart’s content.

But it’s not a purely academic exercise.

This website examines / deals with / faces

real-world ongoing human policies, decisions and atrocities that affect and impact the lives of everyone

( whether they know it or not ).

So no,

his behaviour is not acceptible.

And yes,

if he keeps his sneering shitballs mode of self expression up

Then I will block his ISP for seven days

while he thinks things over.

“I reckon an alternative evolution-based scenario called “punctuated Equilibrium” shows promise.Anyhow….”

I think you will find that the idea of punctuated equillibrium is an accepted part of current evolutionary theory.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VIIA1bPunctuated.shtml

http://necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evolution/grad+punct/evolution_grad+punct.html

That evolution occurred is now an undeniable fact. Scientists are merely squabbling over minor variations in the exact mechanisms.
ID is just creationism in drag and is just a childish myth.

Scot, would you like me to post a list of the names you have called me over the last few months?
I think it would show that your behavior is the most insulting.

Block me if you wish. I could do with a break but the loss of big Pharma income will be missed.

I seem to have had little difficulty in having a perfectly civil conversation with Gary, despite our disagreeing strongly on a great number of issues.
Perhaps because I percieve him as a challenge, not a threat.
Perhaps because I speak to him in a civil manner, he does likewise to myself.
Perhaps because I take time to listen to his take on things with an open mind, and take his criticism “on the chin” snd use it constructively.
Are you a christian Ivor? I am. “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.” Not a christian? how about “sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling names..?” well apparently some folk get really upset by name- calling, it would seem.

Folks get really upset by ‘suppression techniques’, martin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_techniques

… because they systemically enable ‘the war against your body’.

Just had a hilarious image enter my mind. Monty Python used to have comedy sketches with no apparrent punchline. They solved this problem by dropping an enormous Iron weight on the participants(thus negating the need for a punchline)
How about one where a bunch of guys argue about name-calling and a big weight with 21/12/12 written on it squashes them? arfarfarf!

Or how about a bunch of guys preaching the anti vaccination faith ……

are you a christian Ivor? I am. “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.” Not a christian? how about “sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling names..?” well apparently some folk get really upset by name- calling, it would seem.

Martin,
you go to great lengths to appear the reasonable guy,almost buddha like in the pronouncements .. and no I am not a Christian (My mother tried her best)

And as for the ‘some folks’ crack .. bollocks ! .. I have had to put up with a constant goading from the Troll. I am entitled to my point of view .. and I spent 9 years in the forces to ensure that people can voice that point of view without being bombarded by ridicule.

My response to the Troll was as he had done to me. So you go and play polite with him .. I do not need him to stimulate my mind.

Now having said that and there is plenty more if ya want it ,, but I suspect not.
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Martin below is a small cut and paste of some of the available materials at the site given at the bottom .. apparently BP had called for these documents to be removed. You may find something useful.
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Restricted BP Azerbaijan Subsea Drilling Safety, Security, Environmental Procedure Manuals

Download (9.42 MB ZIP file)

AIOC Management of Change
Procedure for Hot Work
Procedure for Deviations
Procedure for Incident Investigation and Reporting
Procedure for Permit to Work
Procedure for Authorization
Procedure for Task Risk Assessment
Procedure for Energy Isolation – Electrical
Procedure for Energy Isolation – Process
Procedure for Confined Space Entry
Procedure for Lifting Operations
Procedure for Water Quality Management
Procedure for Excavations and Trenches
Procedure for Working at Heights
Procedure for Safety Meetings
Procedure for Man Riding Baskets
Procedure for Scaffolding
Procedure for Machine Guards
Procedure for Transportable Compressed Gas Cylinders
Procedure for Welding and Cutting
Procedure for Control Of Over-rides, Inhibits And Alarm Disables
Procedure for Personal Protective Equipment
Procedure for Fire Protection
Procedure for Gas Detection Equipment
Procedure for Hydrogen Sulphide
Procedure for Noise Risk Management
Procedure for Management of Radioactive Materials and Radiation Generators
Procedure For Leak Testing of In-Service Equipment

http://publicintelligence.net/restricted-bp-azerbaijan-subsea-and-deepwater-drilling-safety-and-security-procedure-manuals/

You might like this Martin …

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_01

What is evolution and how does it work? Evolution 101 provides the nuts-and-bolts on the patterns and mechanisms of evolution.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VIIA1bPunctuated.shtml

I found this to be a really good explanation of how speciation can appear to have happened rapidly just by looking at the fossil record.

For Ivor.

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_04

The knowledge that is built by science is always open to question and revision. No scientific idea is ever once-and-for-all “proved.” Why not? Well, science is constantly seeking new evidence, which could reveal problems with our current understandings. Ideas that we fully accept today may be rejected or modified in light of new evidence discovered tomorrow. For example, up until 1938, paleontologists accepted the idea that coelacanths (an ancient fish) went extinct at the time that they last appear in the fossil record — about 80 million years ago. But that year, a live coelacanth was discovered off the coast of South Africa, causing scientists to revise their ideas and begin to investigate how this animal survives in the deep sea.

Despite the fact that they are subject to change, scientific ideas are reliable. The ideas that have gained scientific acceptance have done so because they are supported by many lines of evidence. These scientific explanations continually generate expectations that hold true, allowing us to figure out how entities in the natural world are likely to behave (e.g., how likely it is that a child will inherit a particular genetic disease) and how we can harness that understanding to solve problems (e.g., how electricity, wire, glass, and various compounds can be fashioned into a working light bulb). For example, scientific understandings of motion and gases allow us to build airplanes that reliably get us from one airport to the next. Though the knowledge used to design airplanes is technically provisional, time and time again, that knowledge has allowed us to produce airplanes that fly. We have good reason to trust scientific ideas: they work!

Hi Ivor,
First thanks for the info. I’ll spend some time looking thru it, I’m sure to find something of use here.
I think the bottom line with Gary is that he enjoys stirring you guys up. Can you imagine what Star Wars would be like without Darth Vader?
The biblical quote I gave you wasn’t “do unto others what they do to you” that’s how wars start, dude.Read it it again “..as you would have them do..”
If I go to great lengths to appear reasonable thats because I go to great lengths to try to be reasonable…..!
If I appear to be self righteous then I apolgise for being a self righteous arse.
Buddhism has alot going for it.”seek the middle path” and all that.
I respect your right to air your point point of view, I’m always listening politely..just like I do with Gary.

Back soon with more on the evolution/ science thing & I’ll try and connect it back round to the actual thread subject as we are yet again off on a tangent.

Give peace a chance!

I do not think the Wright Brothers were scientists, I thought they built bicycles before Kitty Hawk,I also fail to understand how an idea which is constantly under revision can be considered to be the truth. Some of these scientific people proclaim it as fact .. handed down from on high on tablets of stone. So be careful I may tell you another story about scientists from Lincoln stalking the health forum of the Xtra site in its early days.

I have already posted some words from the 19th century and it would appear that they have not sunk in .. as far as I can see .. nothing changes in the scientific community except their minds ..
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On the other hand, it seemed to him high time to utter an energetic protest against the attempts that are made to proclaim the problems of research as actual facts, the opinions of scientists as established science, and thereby to set in a false light, before the eyes of the less informed masses, not merely the methods of science, but also its whole position in regard to the intellectual life of men and nations. Let us hope that men of science in England also will not fail to examine this most serious question, whether the authority of Science will not be better secured, if it confines itself strictly to its own province, than if it undertakes to master the whole view of nature by the premature generalizing of theoretical combinations.

RUD.VIRCHOW.Berlin, February 11th, 1878

morning all, just a quick post.
thanks Gary for your links, excellent summation on punctuated equilibrium in layman,s terms.
thanks Ivor for your thought provoking counter-attack to the ramparts of the current scientific paradigm. Will throw my own scientist-scaring two cents worth later.

As I write this the sky is covered with a layer of rippled cloud that HAARP proponents would recognise as evidence of ELF activity.
Are we in for a shake-up soon?

Chat with you later,MH

You’re welcome Martin.
BTW, Scotty has banned me from this blogg so I have to use a fake name and IP address to post this.

” i also fail to understand how an idea which is constantly under revision can be considered to be the truth. Some of these scientific people proclaim it as fact”
Ivor, your failure to understand is probably because you do not realize that Science does not seek absolute truth, merely closer and closer approximations to it.
For absolutes you need to look to religion – the problem with that approach of course is which religion?

I’ll have a beer for you all at Pomeroy’s this afternoon.
Gary

You’ve been blocked for a week, gaz.

You need a disincentive to continously treating this blog as a urinal for the parts of yourself that never evolved past the kindy sandpit.

And to treat the forum and the fairly unique subject matters that it chooses to broach – with a modicum of respect.

And this is it.

I will unblock your IP address next saturday.

Til then you can go brighten up someone else’s life.

Sorry, gary.

Have just had too many complaints about your behaviour.

Will keep trashing your posts from other ISPs till next saturday.

Hopefully you will come to realise that Uncensored is not all about schoolboy pissing contests.

so mr. ewing declares himself
judge, jury and executioner.
I suspect putting Gary in the “naughty corner” for a week will give him an opportunity to hatch more evil schemes when/if he returns.
I wouldn’t blame him for not bothering.

Well I for one will not miss the man and I really hope that he does not bother.

The words you’re looking for are site-moderator, martin.

Antagonising people for one’s own amusement is one of the ugliest non-violent human behaviours that I can think of.

gary has been able to do that here for years

- without consequence

- any time he feels like it.

So he’s getting the week off.

And everyone gets a week off from him, as well.

It’s time he grew up a little – and realised that people face real problems in their lives – that we are often not being told about.

Hopefully gary will spend some time this week doing just that.

But he probably won’t.

Goading curious and open-minded people and smearing and ridiculeing honest scientific inquiry is

-shit-

behaviour

that helps no-one.

Gary will be back this weekend – hopefully with a clearer view of what is acceptible to other people

and what isn’t.

Martin, I posted this in the wrong thread .. so here it is again ..
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Shortly after the devastation of CHCH and many peoples lives .. there was a curious incident .. I cannot recall the mans name (maybe its Ring) I first became aware of him when the turncoat Campbell of TV3 did what looked like a Govt hit job on the man (Ring)

Apparently Mr Ring had made some comments about the moon having an effect on Earthquakes, and the turncoat gave him a right real roasting .. my thoughts at the time were that Campbell had very quickly learnt which side of his bread is buttered and by whom .. and who pays for the fancy suits whilst he postures .. pretending to be a man of the people ..

we are not really a free nation at all, we are most definitely run by a small elitist clique, who with a little tweak here, and a little tweak there,smash peoples lives and that of their families too.

I can see what the moon does to the tides .. so why not tectonic plates ? Perhaps the moon has an amplifying effect on tremors and especially those that are HAARP induced, because its for sure that the Govt and its minions went to a lot of trouble and expense such as ..Campbell live and Lunch for Dozens on a hill in CHCH. Its for sure a lot of people believed Mr Ring. And given subsequent events I must say .. Mr Ring 10 .. Govt science zero.

I would have dismissed it as another ho hum govt misinformation shit upon .. however it was reported in the main stream press that a Group of Scientists in their NZ Scientific blog spot were going to conduct a public stoning of Mr Ring.

Piqued I decided to pop in under a non de plume and to see what went down .. OMG it was hilarious .. they were easy meat .. The stoning never gained any traction and they fell into discussing chocolate crumbs in their keyboards and how nice it was to have a surfeit of good things. Once again, pointed questions never got any real answers.

If this is atypical of science at work then we are extremely badly served.

Here we are on our little speck (space ship) travelling through space at approx 99,000 Km per hour and the moon around the earth, and earth around the sun and then of course we have our planetary neighbors to which similar motions apply .. it all looks like the original concept of the atom complete with angles and rotations .. I am minded of an embryo and its development.

When the male sperm hits the female egg and buries itself like a meteor .. I can well believe the impact causes similar percussion’s as it does on a larger planetary scale ..

I firmly believe that mad dog humans are causing out of place earth quakes and tidal waves .. when one subjects an embryo to such horrors then we have death or mutations .. three legs .. two heads and so forth .. the HAARP nonsense is going to cause us as a specie many unseen hazards.

So back to CHCH .. so many coincidences and so many lies and I have seen lots of this manipulation of real time events so that I no longer believe in coincidence .. everything happens with a reason ..

Regarding Gary well, we’ll see.
Anyhow..funny you shoul mention Ken Ring. When I made noises a few days back about plunging head first into going to the media with the evidence against fracking, a workmate and fellow conspiracy buff/awake person said “think carefully, do you want to become the next Ken Ring?”
Most folk would rather stick thier heads in the sand than hear the facts. Protect yourself & your family, but you can’t help those who won’t help themseves.

I just saw the new post Ewingsc put up showing 2011 quake animation & posted a comment there
I urge you to take a look.Staggering.

Re Ring’s lunar theory, it was first suggested by SRI in the late 60′s and NASA put mirrors on the moon in the early 70′s to provide data for this theory. It’s accepted as fact in scientific circles overseas. I suspect the main problem is Mr Ring’s lack of formal qualifications. He already pissed off the qualified meteorologists by predicting the weather better than they can.
Thus he was the ideal target for a media smear campaign.

Did anyone see Campbell a few days back on Fracking? Practically made the mining corporations look like heroes.

Please can you boys take your off topic yabbering elsewhere. This is a serious topic. Scotty can you please remove all off topic posts.
people all over the world come here to read about the earth quakes & would be put off coming back.
If you have dont have anything to say about earthquakes, dont say it.

@ Judy nz

Sure.

Thanks ewing.
If I said Avondale College, or the name Ian, would this mean anything to you?

Sorry Judy, I’m afraid it doesn’t.

CENSORED!

Yawn !

I didn’t think Ken Ring or fracking was off subject, surely these 2 subjects relate to the Chch quakes ? I’ll happily drop the evolution thing though, OK?

Whats Avondale college & Ian got t
o do with the subject Judy ?
Sorry, cuoldn’t resist a dig. hehe.

Glad to have you around Judy nz,
Welcome to the thread.

Hi Martin,
I deserved that. If it helps I cringed a while before adding the personal bit.
I thought (E) ewing might be Eric, with a brother called Ian.
I thought later & they may not have gone to Avondale College I should have said Lyndale Sports club in Portage Rd. I might add I hold a record there which has never been recognised. I could con George the STARTER into giving me 50yds start in a 100yd race & still come last. I’m going back over 50yrs.
Thanks for your humour Martin. Is there NOT a page where you can converse on any topic. What about it Scott?

Well, I think it would be really great if everyone on this forum could just slowly lower their handbags
and then just talk amongst each other like normal people.

Amen to that ewingsc!

Look at this:
http://joelcrayford.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/banks-peninsula-rising.html
They knew this was going to happen in 1996 ! Worth reading.

Tried the link Martin .. It reports that the Blog does not exist ??

What does it say ?

Ivor, nothing controversial as such. A geologist not associated with GNS basically looked into geological reports on the formation of the Canty. region and the tectonic/volcanic processes involved. He found a report from 1996 predicting that stresses beneath christchurch were building up to a dangerous level putting the city in the danger zone. The predicted result would be high magnitude quakes, heavy liquefaction, potential for tsunamis due to offshore faulting.
Sound familiar.?
This guy wanted to know howecome GNS failed to see this coming and why they kept changing their tune, as it were.

You can find this blog by googling:
“Reflections on Auckland Planning: Banks Peninsula Rising”
The guy works as a town planner, and geology is his hobby.

Quake Update: 5.6 mag. struck Northern California yesterday.
Sign of things to come ?

A nice find Martin and a most interesting article .. well they (GNS) already knew .. that is how it appears to me .. Joel has asked some awkward questions .. hope his bungy rope does not accidentally break.

A while ago now I met a guy on line that said we are going to have to deal with giant waves and that coastal areas are going to be devastated .. he was talking of Oz and NZ.

Lol its the wrong time of night to get into these head bangers ..

Nite all.

another quake update: Japan got apasting today, mag.6 plus a bunch of aftershocks. Retaliation? HAARP wars? or just nature doin’ its thing?

Re giant waves there was a panic last year about sept.28, people having premonitions/visions about a massive tsunami wiping out the east of Chch, Woodend & Kaiapoi, but nothing happened. Maybe they got the date right, no-one said 2011, maybe they saw 2012?

Will the oil guys activate more dormant faults with apocolyptic consequences ?

“Retaliation? HAARP wars? or just nature doin’ its thing?”

Good question.

Costa Rica also had a bit of a shunter a couple of days ago :

5.8 Earthquake In Costa Rica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44XLjgV9eWM

Mag. 6 in Oregon, mag 5. Baja.
Only a couple days ago I remarked how N. America was the only place not getting anything.
Look out USA, it had to happen sooner or later. San Andreas? Yellowstone? Either of these go off it’ll make our Chch quakes look like a storm in a teacup.

Hey all, thank you for sharing your thoughts and information thus far. I was wondering what you all think to be the best evidence relating to ChCh quake being triggered by HAARP or a similar facility? Thanks

Some intriguing material…. if anyone can confirm, add to and show to be incorrect please do

Interesting Coincidences around the second and killer Christchurch quake ~ discussed in last part of the interview. US Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano Cancelled Trip To Speak In Christchurch [link to tvnz.co.nz]

100 stranded whales die on Stewart Island [link to http://www.stuff.co.nz

Report: Nine US Congressmen Left Christchurch "Right Before Quake Hit" [link to http://www.youtube.com

National Geographic ~ Earthquake felt in locations 200kms away from epicenter [link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

Washington Post ~ Admiral Thad Allen ~ FEMA Official as part of an American delegation visiting for trade and global security talks [link to voices.washingtonpost.com]

116 soldiers from the Singapore Army, in Christchurch for a training exercise at the time of the earthquake [link to en.wikipedia.org]

400 Aussie doctors caught in Christchurch [link to http://www.news.com.au EARTHQUAKE,CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Uploaded by MRJASE666 [link to http://www.youtube.com

Also there were the Mossad spies found amongst the rubble who were quickly sent home…

Yup, you’ve summed up most of the basics, ReV, I’ve seen some good supplementary “evidence” on youtube, HAARP transmission radio signals, gridlike ELF clouds etc.
The number of shady high ranking US visitors who continue to flow thru Chch amazes me. Are you aware of the HAARP site at Birdlings Flat?
How about Raytheon the Deep Freeze contractors and area 51 dwellers owning all the HAARP patents?
Reflect and Quantum Geophysical began mineral exploration in CHch just before the Sept. quake hit. Was HAARP involved in secret remote prospecting at this time?

Or was it entirely natural as my skeptic buddy Gary would say?

Take a look back over the posts ReV,
we,ve had some fun speculating and debating,
What next? More quakes to come?
Fracking almost guarantees it.

Do Ithink the quakes were man made?
Yes and no. I think human activity, either deliberate or accidental (jury still out) gave nature a helping hand. I think lust for oil and gas overrode concern for public safety.

I also believe the Mayans were right and a combination of terrestrial and solar cycles and rhythms are causing big changes in our world.Just to complicate matters I think the bankers and their puppet governments are piggybacking on/ hyping up the 2012 thing to suit their own planned, simulated armageddon to bring about the New World Order, while simultaneously making contingency plans in case theres a REAL armageddon!
Hows that for a theory that covers all the bases?

If I get get chance tommorrow I might do a “remembering Feb. 2011″ post to share my memories of the quake & aftermath.

Welcome to the thread ReV.

Its time Christchurch starts to fight back. They should DEMAND to access their COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET from that guy who got that fat pay rise. Do not settle for the piddly budget we are all fobbed off with.
Nothing less than HE COMPREHENSIVE
BUDGET. Find out how much is syphoned away, & where is it.

ALSO They should band together in groups & share study of aspects of law.

These should offer an incentive.

http://www.yourstrawman.com/
http://www.fluscam.com/Latest_News_files/STRAWMAN_fallacy.pdf

http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/An_Investigative_Report_Re_the_US_Strawman_UCC_Red_3358.shtml

http://sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/StrawMan.pdf

http://www.relatingtolife.com/index.php?page=173&name=Reclaim%20%22YOUR%22%20Strawman

Here’s a couple of guys take on it :

HAARP & Christchurch 1 year on, Lisa Harrison and Wild Hunt, Feb 22 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld7RNGAJa9s

HAARP responsible for christchurch earthquake ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhHxnj4ea7I

“Or was it entirely natural as my skeptic buddy Gary would say?”

I wouldn’t be quite so quick to claim me as a buddy young man. And as man is a product of natural evolution just as much as a bee is, anything made by man is as natural as anything made by a bee. So, yes, even if the quakes were caused by man, I regard this as natural.
Of course there are those amongst us, who ‘know’ that they are really something special and outside of nature because their sky fairy breathed a soul into them when they were very small. The arrogance of some people, often Christians, is astounding. Face it guys, you all evolved from bacteria and are no more evolved than a chimp.

“young man” thanks for the compliment, buddy ole chum !
As a christian (albeit a heretical non-churchgoing one) I regard everyone as my buddy.Don’t take it personally, Rees.
Perhaps I should have specified Not Generated By Human Activity to be more specific, so yes you’re right again as humans are indeed part of nature (you pedantic bugger)
Hope alls well in Riccarton, Nice hearing from you!

I chuckled about what I thought was a deafening silence in response to my post.
Last night I listened to Vinnies video & thank goodness I fought the urge to flick it away as the most boring thing I’ve ever heard.
First I must say, your inner response to my post is interesting & natural & this is what you need to look at first. Fear is a killer. It is the biggest hurdle for you to work on & get over.

Everything is covered by laws & even politicians must follow them.
There is nothing to fear from doing things properly. Only those who lie cheat & steal have reason to fear.

Much is deliberately hidden, & lies give wrong impression of truth.
Lets take this example. We are told govts cant be sued. Misleading. NZ is a Corporation & Corporations can be sued.
Each politician is registered as being individual Corporations, so they can be sued. Perhaps unfortunately because it involves innocents, Police too can be sued as individuals.

Civil Law always takes precidence over admiralty law.
Admiralty Law is a fiction, contrived to help those who have created the mess we now live in.
It has depended on convincing the public this is the law we must live by.

Ihope you all are keen to get studying believe me it doesnt take a genius. You best weapon is in fact a moral righteous indignation that we continue to pay these people, who are working against our wellbeing. That does NOT mean be angry, because like Fear anger zaps our energy & reduces you to some as bad as those we want to stop….also, it gives them power over you.

Take a look at this video.
Let Your Life Be a Friction to Stop the Machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Xh5eN2fXY&feature=player_embedded

All change on the Great Game board. Under-the-radar geopolitical plan merges US Pentagon with Russian and Chinese Military to form global peace-keeping force. Satanist clique at Vatican Bank and Roman Curia to be cleared out. Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) and Western corporate media organisations to be fragmented and reformed into multiple smaller units under new management. High-status public arrests imminent.
In coordination with Pandora’s Suitcase disclosures concerning the above reforms, it is set to be announced that the G5 Western banking cartel and its US Federal Reserve Board nexus have been concealing vast amounts of accrued debt from shareholder and public scrutiny in covert accounting books.
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http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.co.nz/
You may ask how this is related & I will say, Important to shedding the fear.

I Opologise for my last post. All I wanted to post was, The link & a short attempt to be funny,I am darned if I know where the rest came from or why I didnt notice what I had done.
Regards
Judy

Scientists monitor earthquake swarm at Hawaii’s Kilauea volcano

There have been 48 small earthquakes and counting on the Big Island as of Wednesday morning.

Map at source here at some blog site called ‘The Extinction Protocol’

thanks Mr. Ewing, keeping a close eye on this one (Hawaii) also Canary Islands for quite sometime lots of undersea volcanic activity & earthquake swarms.

Hey Judy,
Firstly, Marriot didn’t get his big fat payrise thanks to the “power of the people” we all complained loudly until he buckled.

You claim to know my “inner response” to your post? are you psychic?
Lack of response is not due to fear, there’s not much I’m afraid of, as with a full time job, a partner, two young kids (no.3 due soon) a multitude of neglected projects in the shed and approximately 1/2hr. free time per day before I collapse, I have neither time to feel fear nor study law, let alone organise action groups to take on the council//government/whoever!

Thinking Outside the Maze – A Rat’s Perspective on the Race

Appropriate visual metaphor here :

http://gettingmyheadonstraight.blogspot.co.nz/2011/05/thinking-outside-maze-rats-perspective.html?z#!http://gettingmyheadonstraight.blogspot.com/2011/05/thinking-outside-maze-rats-perspective.html

“Perhaps I should have specified Not Generated By Human Activity to be more specific, so yes you’re right again as humans are indeed part of nature (you pedantic bugger)”

Great to see someone who knows how to use the apostrophe correctly.
Those of you ( jas) who have trouble with this will love this…
http://www.dreaded-apostrophe.com/

Enjoy

Hi guys,
Ewing thanks for the info. I got all ready to don my armour, grab my sword & start a revolution for Judy, but a power that outranks the Illuminati, Skull&Bones and the Bilderbergers combined (ie pregnant/hormonal Nicky) gave me a smack on the head and sent me back out to weed the neglected garden.

Gary you never fail to put a grin on my face.Watch out though we’re off-subject again, Scotty might censor us.
Been pretty quiet on the Quake front in Chch, maybe someone tripped over a wire at HAARP and accidentally pulled the plug?

Just got another smack on the head for calling Nicky hormonal. ‘fraid there’s no rebellion in the making here folks!

Now theres a man who knows what side his bread is buttered on…& a lady who knows how to lead. LOL
But seriously are any of you from Christchurch?

Is Pomeroy’s in Christchurch?

Judy, I’m smack bang in the middle of Earthquake Central, New Brighton, right next door to Freeville school which became the Army Base of Operations in the first 2 weeks following the feb. shake. Lots of army trucks, low flying helicopters and high drama! I work in Hornby and it took 2hrs. to get home, not knowing what to expect. What a sight down Travis Rd/QE2. Thankfully Nicky & Kids had gone for a walk when the quake struck as everything in the house had toppled or smashed. I stayed home alone for 2 wks, the others went to Greymouth. No water, no/intermittent power, liquifaction covering the broken roads(none in our house or grounds by some miracle) easiest way to travel was by pushbike. I collected water from condensation off garage roof, collected more than I needed. 2nd week I started back at work and could have hot showers there – luxury!
While the quakes were devastating, they have also provided incredible life experiences and brought out the best in people, never have I seen such an outpouring of generousity and selfless acts of compassion and goodwill. I may have been born a pom, but I’m Cantabrian and proud of it!

I have hesitated answering your post Martin for several reasons. Iknow I will never be able convey to you how I feel for you, in your situation without feeling like I am writing trite words, I have the utmost respect for your reaction to the situation, in that you feel there has been a lot of good come from it for you. this in itself will serve you well as you work through your situation. I have studied Natural Law for over 40yrs (they call it quantum Physics these days)so I use those types of thoughts also.
I see that our processing our thoughts can be sloppy or more structured, either way they are in fact a creation of recipes/ formulas for our daily life. `As you sow so shall you reap’ was meant to indicate to us that we can weed out the thought forms that threaten our happiness & thus eliminate the reasons for more to worry about. I have always seen the St Is as a good example of extremes. You have Farmers, Skiing, people who want to swim all relying on differing weathers.
While thoughts in themselves have no energy, once injected with an emotion it becomes INTENT & when directed toward anyone or anything produces an effect. Think of the lotto numbers & the ammount of combinations that are produced from only 7 digits. Think of the emotion from those with ecpectations of the weather, including wedding days. Then also include how governments create social systems with a basis for insecurity & fear, in order to keep the people dependant & easier to control….& the misery this can create, which is also affecting all else around us whether we are concious of this or not.
I believe that you can affirm that you have protection. How this works is by affirming this in an hr of need you are not thinking fearfully. When you fear commonsense goes out the window & leaves you vunerable & it gives the situation power over you instead of you being clear headed so you can take control.

I would still consider what I wrote earlier, a lot of people need to know there are always remedies.
While I never put anything personal on the computer I will say, I studied long hours but it wasnt until I read that link I gave you that I was able to separate myself from the emotinal baggage & put it in perspective. Totally `Lawful’ but demands that you do things properly & with the right attitude.
All the very best to you & your family.

”
While thoughts in themselves have no energy, once injected with an emotion it becomes INTENT & when directed toward anyone or anything produces an effect. ”

Pseudo scientific bollocks.

http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4096

The Secret claims that quantum physics supports and explains the “Law of Attraction”.

Yeah Gary, I’m still trying to decipher that statement too.
Thuoghts as a brain function surely require electro-chemical energy,er, or something like that.

Anyhow.Firstly, Quake watch: 4.8 mag southern France(no previously recorded quakes in that location)

Secondly: Christchurch Press Feb.27, Page A11 “Energy minister rejects moratorium on fracking”.
The article makes for VERY interesting reading, I’m sure it must be available online.
Bring Change group is organising a peaceful protest and concert “Frack Off” on March 25, South Hagley Park likely venue (TBC)
Get your placard ready Gary, as a concerned resident of this city I expect to see you there front and centre.C’mon, Pomeroy’s will still be there on Sunday! (but not for much longer if the fracking starts)

http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4275

All About Fracking
Hydraulic fracturing of natural gas wells incites powerful emotions. How much of the hype is justified?

Skeptoid podcast episode 275, Sep 13 2011
by Brian Dunning

Listen

Drilling natural gas in
Pennsylvania’s Marcellus shale
(Photo credit: Wikimedia)
There are few technologies today quite so popularly disliked today as fracking, short for hydraulic fracturing, the practice of pumping high-pressure water into natural gas reserves deep underground to break up the rock and make the gas easier to mine. Fracking has been harshly criticized all around the world as dangerous, and has even been banned in a number of countries. There are charges that fracking uses toxic chemicals which contaminate ground water supplies; that it causes earthquakes; that it’s killing endangered species; that tap water in fracking areas contains so much methane that it can actually burn; and that mysterious illnesses have resulted from the poisonous chemicals it pumps underground. Sound scary? It should. But how much of it is true? Fracking is a perfect place to turn our skeptical eye.

The 2010 movie Gasland brought these claims (and many others) to the public attention. Gasland painted a horrifying and emotionally charged picture of conspiracy, profiteering, environmental ruin, and the reckless wholesale poisoning of people and animals by the drilling companies. The energy industry was quick to respond to the apparent slander, even posting a web page called “Debunking Gasland” (and others) that not only denied virtually all of the movie’s factual claims, but also was heavy on ad-hominem attacks against its maker, an activist whom they describe as an avant-garde stage director with no expertise in either geology or drilling. Whom should the average person on the street believe? Unfortunately, they generally only hear from one of these sources or the other, and rarely or never get the unbiased, science-based facts.

Natural gas is found in the pores of shale or coal, and it escapes through natural fractures. Surface deposits are relatively easy to recover with simple drilling, no fracking required; but for the deepest and richest deposits, those from about 1.5 to 6 km underground, high pressure reduces the number of naturally occurring fractures and the rock’s permeability is insufficient to extract much gas. These deep, non-porous formations are where fracking makes sense. Shale beds are often less than a hundred meters thick, so fracking boreholes are usually drilled horizontally to extend through as much of the bed lengthwise as possible, sometimes reaching through as much as a kilometer. The boreholes are sealed with pipe. High pressure water, sometimes as high as 10,000 psi, is then sent down this pipe. This system acts just like a hydraulic ram, where great force can be applied over a large area by introducing high pressure into the ram from a small entry point. This force splits the shale apart, creating numerous small fractures usually about 1mm wide. Then, to prop these fractures open to allow the gas to escape, a “proppant” is added to the water, which is basically sand. Getting this sand into the fractures is the whole point of fracking. Once done, extraction wells going straight down into the shale bed are far more productive, as the gas now has many free escape routes.

Although fracking has been in use since about 1950, it’s only been applied in a large scale to natural gas mining since about 2000. About 90% of natural gas mines in the United States access rock that has been fracked. Fracking greatly increases the output of mines, producing domestic energy and profits and all the inflammatory economic and political implications thereof.

So what problems does fracking create? The most dramatic and popularly reported problem is that of burning tap water: hold a match next to a running tap and the methane contained in the water (methane is the main component of natural gas) will burst into flames. Gasland and many other sources have asserted that this is due to fracking. The burning water is a fact; whether it has anything to do with fracking is another matter altogether. Like much in science, the facts are more complicated.

The first thing to understand is that water wells are shallow. The deepest private residential wells go perhaps a couple hundred meters, though most are much shallower. Fracking takes place kilometers deeper underground; and in most places, the fracked shale beds are separated from the surface watersheds by multiple rock formations of different types. There’s little or no transference of anything — gas or liquid — between fracked layers and surface layers; they’re simply too far apart and separated by too much rock.

However, the burning water is an undisputed fact. So where is this methane coming from, if not from fracking? As it happens, it’s natural, worldwide, for anyone who has a well in a natural gas area. Natural gas is not found only in the deep shale beds, it’s in shallower layers as well; so we always expect some gas to make it into well water in particular regions. But the mining of natural gas also has a few consequences that can force methane into aquifers. First, the underground changes in pressure can prompt methane to migrate from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure. Second, poorly sealed natural gas wells can (and do) leak methane into adjacent strata. These poorly sealed wells are human errors that it’s the responsibility of the driller to repair. Third, old abandoned wells do the same thing, but often without anyone repairing them. None of these problems are related to fracking, per se.

When the Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission investigated the burning water of the well owner most prominently featured in Gasland, whose tap water was gray and actually effervesced, they found that his methane was naturally occurring and had nothing to do with any natural gas drilling. His water well had been drilled directly into a shallow natural gas deposit. Nevertheless, Gasland portrayed this as a consequence of fracking, which is wrong at two levels.

Such well owners do have steps they can take to eliminate the problems, whatever the source of their methane. The simplest and most effective is to have the well properly vented. Methane weighs half as much as air, and venting it to the atmosphere is the standard practice and generally solves everything. Well venting would still need to be done even if fracking had never been invented.

It is an established fact that methane in tap water is found in greater concentrations in areas that have been fracked. In 2011, a much-publicized Duke University study found that, on average, levels were 17 times higher in private wells within 1,000 yards of a drilling site. But while an attention-grabbing headline implies a causal relationship, the only thing we know for sure is that this correlation is exactly what we expect to find. In areas where there is natural gas, (a) it’s going to be found in wells, and (b) energy companies are going to come there to drill. The study noted that no data exists of methane levels in the water before the mines existed, and so no reason to suspect that mining or fracking had any impact on the levels. The researchers found that 13% of the wells had amounts of methane that exceeded “action levels”, meaning that the wells should be vented to remove the methane.

What about the claims that fracking pumps hundreds of different poisonous chemicals into the ground? Well it’s true, sort of, but not the way it’s portrayed. The main chemical is simple water, which makes up about 98.5% of most fracking fluid. About 1% consists of one of many different types of proppant, basically sand. The type of proppant chosen for each job depends on the geology. The rest of the fluid, the remaining fraction of a percent, differs all the time. Mainly it’s lubricant for the pumping equipment, borehole, and fractures. The goal is to get the sand distributed into the fractures to hold them open, and without the proper lubricants, surfactants, and suspension agents like guar gum, the sand collects in places and creates blockages. Depending on the type of rock, acids might be added to dissolve scale and get more water in. Then there are trace additives of things like corrosion inhibitors to prevent the pipes from corroding, and bactericides for killing bacteria that can clog or corrode. Complete lists of all the fracking fluid ingredients are widely available on the web, as required by law, and anyone concerned about them should take a look. A great place to start is to Google “fracking fluid disclosure”.

If you’re concerned about the fluids used in a specific well in your area, I recommend a web site called Frac Focus, which lets you search any well and find out exactly which kind of sand and other compounds were used there. Frac Focus is a partnership between the industry and the Groundwater Protection Council, an association of state and local regulatory agencies.

So when we’re talking about corrosion inhibitors and benzene and guar gum and bactericides, any reasonable person who drinks water from that area should be concerned. So do you listen to pop culture, which tells us the fracking fluid is toxic and goes directly into your drinking water; or do you listen to geologists and regulators who tell us that never the twain shall meet? The hardest part of understanding fracking for the person on the street is knowing who to trust. I put this question to a friend who’s a geologist for Pennsylvania’s regulatory agency, right in the middle of some of the United States’ most active fracking, and she acknowledged the problem. The movie Gasland is clearly an unacceptable source of information, and similarly, the drilling industry’s own PR omits any frank acknowledgement of risks and ongoing investigations. They both have strong propaganda motives. The consensus for the best unbiased information seems to be the US Environmental Protection Agency. If you hate Halliburton, as many do for whatever reason, you’ll love the EPA; they’ve even posted the subpoena they sent Halliburton for failing to provide required information about their drilling operations (instead, Halliburton famously had an exec drink some of its fracking fluid at an industry conference). If you want an unbiased understanding of fracking in general, start your education at EPA.gov/hydraulicfracturing.

At this time, the EPA is in the midst of a major investigation into the safety of groundwater supplies that may be affected by fracking. Unfortunately it moves at government speeds; the investigation is due to last through 2012 with a report due in 2014. In the meantime, the good news is that the EPA has yet to document any confirmed groundwater contamination from fracking operations. Even the Duke University study found no evidence at all of any fracking fluid in any of the wells they sampled. However, there have been a number of cases of contamination from accidental surface spills, similar to what we see from virtually every industry that transports and pumps liquids.

A number of nations have banned fracking until these investigations are concluded, but the EPA has not yet found any reason to do so in the United States. Like so many technologies, fracking has broad economic and political implications, and consequently incites fiery emotions on all sides. Your choice is whether to jump into that fire, or to study what we’ve learned by testing. Whether you think we need the energy production, or how much money Halliburton makes, are different questions; and should not be conflated with the science. Let the pundits answer those questions, and let the science determine the safety.

All very nice Gary, now how about the seismic side of things?
There seems to be little, if any, doubt that fracking & subsequent waste fluid disposal, is strongly linked to the aggravation or onset of seismic activity.Even industry insiders are telling us so.The reassurances we are getting that “its different here” and “we do more stringent safety checks” are the same reassurances made in other parts of the world….where operations were subsequently suspended due to earthquakes!
Brownlee wants to rush his permits through without giving local councils a chance to do their homework. Is he afraid of what they’ll find out?
Your article, Gary, suggests we let science do the testing.
So firstly it would seem insufficient science has been done, and secondly that actual field experience has demonstrated the high potential for danger from fracking, especially in a seismically sensitive location.Sounds like we need a moratorium to work things out before we “frack on”, wouldn’t you agree? so again, why the hurry, Mr. Brownlee, unless there’s something to hide?
As I’ve said before, GNS has provided the perfect cover with their recent statement that the quake “swarm” we are in could go on for decades.
I would rather not have fracking here. I’m not sure whether you are telling me you actually support fracking, or are uncertain about it. Surely its a little late for waiting for science to determine the safety? As the scientists themselves can’t agree, I reckon you’ll still be waiting long after operations have commenced.

“Brownlee wants to rush his permits through without giving local councils a chance to do their homework. Is he afraid of what they’ll find out?”

Slight paranoia creeping in here? As it appears that the science has not yet been completed there can be nothing to hide there yet. Are you suggesting that there may be hidden economic reasons? Do you have any evidence apart from a healthy suspicion of politicians?

“There seems to be little, if any, doubt that fracking & subsequent waste fluid disposal, is strongly linked to the aggravation or onset of seismic activity”
But so far the only link has been with the sort of minor activity that is going on all the time anyway.

http://www.straterra.co.nz/Fracking

“Concern in New Zealand has grown in the last year over the engineering technology “hydraulic fracturing” – also termed “fracture stimulation”, or “fracking” – of deeply-buried, gas-bearing rocks and coal seams.

Much of the concern has been fuelled by misinformation, accepting that some of the concern in relation to overseas incidents are legitimate. The NZ resource sector has identified the need to assess the issues in a New Zealand context and present factual material to inform stakeholders, the media, and a broader audience.

We believe fracking can be done safely in New Zealand, with a good example of regulation provided by Taranaki Regional Council. 

In the following web pages. Straterra explains what fracking is, the New Zealand context for fracking, why we do it, how we do it, and how the environmental, health and safety risks are managed. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) are appended, as is a short analysis of the “Gasland” documentary, which originated the early concern.
“

Perhaps Brownlee is hiding the fact that the science has not yet been done, therefore he cannot provide any guarantees?
I can think of a few other reasons he might be trying to hide. Correct, I can’t prove anything absolutely here, but I do have a “well founded ” suspicion of politicians, especially ones with US oil & military connections who use natural (?) disasters to push through “emergency powers” & law changes!

Here’s something to think about.
Let’s say fracking operations and/or oil drilling go ahead in Canterbury. Let’s say, not long after operations commence, there’s a reasonable sized shake. Say mag. 5 or thereabouts. Regardless of whether or not mining caused the quake (and how would we know?), what do you think public reaction would be?
It usually takes an actual event ie. a disaster of some sort, to galvanise the majority of folk, to get them to wake up and start making noise. Its human nature. Its also human nature to seek blame when things go awry.
If a lowly drone worker like me can see this, then surely Key, Brownlee and their American buddies have foreseen this scenario also.
One wonders, therefore, how they intend to deal with public discontent that would almost certainly ensue?
For starters Brownlee would certainly redirect public anger to the already troubled city council.
Under the Crown Minerals Act the Energy minister gives approval for hydrocabon exploration and extraction but has no responsibility for the environmental effects. It is up to local councils to deal with such matters.
Therefore Phil Heatley can comfortably claim fracking to be safe (backed by Straterra’s claims), and if things go wrong , well, that’s Ecan’s fault, or the council’s fault, for not doing their homework. Trouble is, the council wanted a moratorium to create some “breathing space” in which to do their homework. Permission denied! Why? Who’s pulling the strings here? who,s really in charge? How will they deal with the possible consequences?

Hello Judy ..

I hear you .. loud and clear. First let me apologize for the lack of chivalry shown in this particular thread. The man concerned has a notoriety for his nastiness .. its his liver my dear .. too much of Pomies strong ale on top of a wicked diet ..

I do agree with your remarks about Quantum Physics and just think they are still just poking around the entrance to the rabbit hole whilst the planet as the ultimate mother shakes the universal consciousness once again ..

Hug your truth to your breast and the humanity you have shown let it keep shining forth .. God bless you.

Ivor you are off topic, Ewing might censor you!
Isn’t that right, Judy?
As for Gary, while he revels in being the “bad boy”, he does speak coherent english and makes sense, whether you agree with him or not.
“the planet as ultimate mother shakes the universal consciousness”??? erm…so, God = “universial consciousness”, and “the planet” = earth, I’m guessing? so earth shakes God…I’m lost on the meaning of this piece of wisdom.
I was always taught never to shake a baby. If earth is our “mother” she’s got a lot to learn about parenting methinks.
Don’t mind me, I’m always happy to hear from you & Judy,
God bless you also!

From one Pom to another .. piss orf mate .. are ya bloody serious ? What the hell is in this Christchurch Pomie Beer?

Revelling in being a prat is nothing to be proud of and to humor the prat is to encourage it.

Martin .. as a personal opinion .. I do not think that we can lay our anthropomorphism onto Mother Earth .. she has her own agenda and can give birth to a myriad different kinds of beings each with its own consciousness ..

Perhaps she shakes and shivers because she has a fever ? I wonder what that fever could be ?

No Idea what Christchurch Pomie beer is as I don’t drink (maybe an occosional red wine or a speights) and I don’t go to Pomeroy’s or any other bar. Too busy being creative in what little spare time I have.

I agree we cannot anthropormise our dieties, I was just stirring.

I think the Earths “fever” is part of a cycle. The ancient South American cultures were aware of these rhythms and so predicted the Earth’s next change, and end of the 26,000 year cycle of “ages”, as being at the end of december 2012.
I also think human agencies are attempting to ride on the coattails of these changes (and associated public “doomsday hysteria”) for their own ends.
These same human agencies are also preparing themselves for whatever mother earth has in store this year.

Sorry for being a prat Ivor, I just have great difficulty getting my head around pseudomystical speak.

@Martin .. your stuff ..
I just have great difficulty getting my head around pseudo mystical speak.

Martin it is not you that I called a prat.

pseudomystical lol, now thats a loaded word .. mind you, as a hit lawnmover fumes leave a lot to be desired. Try some Psilocybe semilanceata they should be found somewhere in your region .. now that is a reasonable nature trip or if one prefers getting into ones head to see what is there try some LSD ..

One thing I can assure you of there is nothing pseudo about the mystical hit from either of those substances. The rabbit holes in the head lead out into totally different universes ..

Or if one has difficulty in locating those substances then there is always Amanita muscaria however unless one knows how to prepare it and use it then it can kill you .. but one thing is for sure one will understand what Lewis Carroll is alluding to with Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass. They are very profound stories.

It is impossible to meditate on time and the mystery of the creative passage of nature without an overwhelming emotion at the limitations of the human intelligence.

Professor A.N. Whitehead
‘Concept of Nature’

But enough of that .. and I understand that what I have said here is out of place given the context of the thread it would have been better in a medicinal forum because it is medicine.

But then you asked for it with the sly pommy backhander ..

“Mother Earth .. she has her own agenda and can give birth to a myriad different kinds of beings each with its own consciousness ..”

Oh dear, more herb induced new-age ( rhymes with sewage) babble, this time from Ivor.

A quote from the highly esteemed Goon show, ” I talk to the trees. That’s why they put me away”.
Watch out, the men in white coats are coming for you.

“Mother Earth .. she has her own agenda and can give birth to a myriad different kinds of beings each with its own consciousness ..”

Well you are a prime example .. you even believe in natural selection ) prat!

I’ve always been tempted, as a naturally gifted artist, to try LSD or one the alternatives (in a safe, controlled environment) but as I’ve already got a pretty wild imagination I,m concerned it might put me on a one-way ticket to loopyland. OK if you’re single but not with young kids.
Imagine being on a Trip when an earthquake hits though, bad trip,man.
Getting back on topic, Theres been a few letters in the Chch. Press on the Fracking subject last few editions, people starting to wake up, Strattera going into damage control trying to say it’s perfectly safe, which has got folk more worried!
Methinks the shit is going to hit the fan soon…

Just been on the IRIS Seismic Monitor. NO earthquakes recorded anywhere today. Thats the first time I’ve seen that happen. Seems a bit surreal.

Any idea what the sun is doing ? .. there has been some sort of flap about a pending solar flare giving the earths magnetic shield a severe buffeting .. power stations and satellites knocked out etc.

It would seem to be the wrong time for blackouts and loss of communications .. I sure hope that the CHCH folks are not getting blase about the constant tremors.

As an after thought .. has Mr Ring dropped off the radar ?

Several sizable quakes on the 2nd Martin. This list from the IRIS web site.

DATE LAT LON MAG DEPTH km REGION
02-MAR-2012 10:11:43 35.22 141.05 5.2 25.5 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
02-MAR-2012 08:49:39 -8.02 146.34 4.9 41.6 EASTERN NEW GUINEA REG., P.N.G.
02-MAR-2012 08:20:54 37.19 144.32 4.7 36.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
02-MAR-2012 08:04:00 34.59 25.82 4.5 44.1 CRETE
02-MAR-2012 05:09:59 -8.04 146.27 5.5 45.4 EASTERN NEW GUINEA REG., P.N.G.
02-MAR-2012 04:28:36 -8.19 146.50 4.7 62.0 EASTERN NEW GUINEA REG., P.N.G.
02-MAR-2012 01:01:53 -60.73 -41.75 4.9 10.0 SCOTIA SEA

Ivor,
I visit Space Weather.com every day. THings have been quiet recently, relatively speaking.
We are very close to Solar Maximum in the 11 year solar cycle and there have been sunspots every day. Most of the big Coronal Mass Ejections have thankfully missed us. A large X Class flare, say X10 or bigger, could Knock out sattelites, power etc.
I contacted Transpower last year and they sent me a lengthy and comprehensive reply about their ingenious home brewed Ground Resistor system. We are well protected, but other countries may not be so lucky. TO read about a really big flare & its effects, Google “the Carrington Event”.
Whats so special about the current Solar Maximum ? It peaks At the end of this year in line with the Mayan prediction, the Earths magnetic shield is weakening and has developed rifts, and we are getting unusual and unprecedented ionospheric activity.

http://www.iris.edu/seismon/last30.html

My my, haven’t the NWO HARPs been playing a lot of tunes lately?

All these quakes! Surely a worldwide conspiracy.

Gary, yes I concur, there’s plenty of activity to see this morning, ahh, the world’s back to its normal chaotic self!
Ivor, Ken Ring has been quiet for a long time now. Death threats will do that to you. Campbell:Live, the Christchurch Press and the Skeptics Society all misrepresented Ring’s theories and whipped up public hostility and paranoia. Poor bugger had to go into hiding for a while and now he keeps his head down.
Remember my comment a while back about not wanting to be the next “ken Ring”?

http://geomag.usgs.gov/faqs.php
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/29dec_magneticfield/

Interesting.

You can tell it’s a rainy day in Chch, Gary’s bored and looking for a little fisticuffs!

“Ring, Ken. Astrologer weather predictor, believes the moon is the main influence on the weather. A few of his ideas are quite interesting, but he is not particularly accurate, getting the weather right only about 10% of the time in one informal analysis. In March 2002 he made a major prediction that there would be extremely bad weather on (or around) 17 April 2003, based on the moon being at its southern-most point in its orbit while being at perihelion (the point in its eliptical orbit where it’s closest to Earth). The weather in Auckland on that day was fine and sunny with the odd very light shower (not unusual for Auckland), as shown in the below photo looking toward Mt Roskill (which had a cross atop it especially for Easter the following day):

Another prediction made at the same time was for extreme weather around 3 June 2004. 3 June was overcast with a few scattered showers in the morning – again, not unusual for Auckland winter weather, and arguably a little better than normal. Ken Ring makes his extremely vague “predictions” seem much more accurate by his use of the Forer effect and post-hoc (after the event) analysis, leading to hindsight bias and postdiction. David Winter sums this up perfectly in his article Ken Ring can’t predict the weather:

Reading Ring’s website, you can see he is pretty generous when he estimates his own accuracy, like the Texas sharpshooter who shoots the side of a barn then paints a target around the bullet hole to show his prowess with a shooting iron, Ring uses any vaguely similar weather event to prop up the accuracy of his predictions. My particular favourite from that page is his prediction for 100 mm or rain in New South Wales, which was accurate, it’s just that it arrived further West, two days later and was a only 20mm.

Did Ken Ring predict the 22 Feb 2011 Christchurch earthquake? No. In fact, quite the opposite. The month after the September quake he believed that Christchurch would not have any more “aftershocks of significance” after the end of November 2010 (see this page, scroll down to comment 147). Thus, Ken Ring predicted:

That GNS was wrong in their warnings that strong aftershocks could continue for more than a year.
That the series of Boxing Day aftershocks, the series of 20 January aftershocks, and the series of 4 February aftershocks all would not happen.
That GNS was wrong in their “knee jerk” repeated warnings that strong aftershocks were still likely, including magnitude 6+.
That Christchurch had nothing to worry about from a strong aftershock (such as happened on 22 Feb).
For these false and genuinely dangerous predictions Ken Ring is now rated Danger. More information on Ken Ring’s inability to predict earthquakes is in David Winter’s article Ken Ring can’t predict earthquakes either. Ken Ring is a scammer of the worst sort, selling snake oil in the form of weather and earthquake predictions. But consider his own words:

I don’t claim to predict the weather. No one can.

And:

I certainly cannot predict earthquakes.
”

http://www.cults.co.nz/r.php

Yes Martin. Cold and wet. At least I can put off mowing the grass for another day.
Looking forward to a liquid lunch at Pomeroy’s tomorrow.

Martin some more info about FKN FRACKING,

As Fracking Boom Hits Ohio, Deceptive Industry Practices Squeeze Landowners
An energy company representative blatantly lies to an Ohio landowner about the basics of fracking.
February 26, 2012 |

Photo Credit: todbaker

Check out AlterNet’s new special coverage section for Fracking.

Ohio is the latest state hit by fracking mania. The process, which requires pushing millions of gallons of water, sand and industrial chemicals into shale wells to fracture rock and push out oil and gas, took off after the discovery of massive natural gas deposits in the Utica shale underlying eastern Ohio last July.

Governor John Kasich sent the message that Ohio was open for business, writing to energy company CEOs around the country, inviting them to partner with the state to make fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, a major component of his economic plan. Until last year, there were just a few wells operating in Ohio. There are now 40, and the governor’s spokesperson said next year there could be five times as many.

Kasich says environmental protections and regulations are important to him, but the free-for-all so far has meant people and the environment have suffered. Not only has the process been linked to earthquakes and water contamination in the state, but the industry’s deceptive leasing practices are increasingly causing alarm among Ohioans.

The rest of the story here .. http://www.alternet.org/story/154302/as_fracking_boom_hits_ohio%2C_deceptive_industry_practices_squeeze_landowners?akid=8340.279488.NGGxA5&rd=1&t=3

It would be interesting to compare the regulations and monitoring arrangements between the USA and New Zealand regarding fracking.

I think the vicious attacks on Ring are quite unwarranted. “one informal analysis” is awfully selective and unscientific.
Ring’s track record isn’t that bad. He’s no more or less accurate either in weather or quake estimation than the mainstream.
Ring never claimed to predict quakes, he predicts the possibility or likelyhood of a quake, and has shown an eargerness to improve his theories and ideas.
The media misrepresented Rings theories in a dangerous manner.
It is not Ring who is dangerous, but the media who twist his words.
NASA beleived strongly enough in the lunar/earthquake connection to go to the trouble of putting mirrors on the moon to take laser readings. I don’t recall NASA getting death threats! Nor do GNS receive death threats every time they change their minds about the quake situation.
Whether or not you give any credence to Ring’s theories or not, he surely has a right to speak freely without fearing for his life.
Ring makes money from weather prediction, but he gave his quake warnings freely, in what he thought was our best interests.His reward was public humiliation, hostility and a nasty smear campaign.
Is this the way good science and unbiased media reporting works?

Gary, regulations and environmental monitoring are the responsibility of the Council/ECan.
Hence the council,s request for a moratorium, as everyone is understandably jittery about fracking in a highly quake prone area.
ECan say “we do not have specific regional plan policies or rules for fracking but do have policies and and rules that would apply to fracking activities” OK that tells us nothing!
Jan Wright, independent Parliementary Commissioner for the Environment, says “Some scoping work is underway in my office.This will help me decide wether to do a full investigation into fracking.” (source: Chch Press, Feb. 27)

Martin re your post about Mr Ring .. I could not agree more. The death threats are either from official sources or the Money.

We are living in a country controlled by the Rothschilds .. I made an inquiry to a Govt Dept as to who owned the Reserve Bank of NZ and received the usual bland reply of NZ .. which tells one absolutely nothing .. we are closely controlled and spied upon.

http://www.sillybeliefs.com/ring.html

1. Ken Ring’s Predictions Fail in the Real World:

This is the most telling failure of Ring’s method, that his predictions fail in the real world. Without going further, this reason alone destroys his credibility. It could be possible the Ring’s predictions are accurate even though he has no idea why they work. His ignorance of science, his insults, his lack of qualifications etc are all irrelevant if his predictions work. But they don’t.

Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the Jan 2005 southwest North Island floods.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the May 2005 BoP floods.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the Oct 2005 Gisborne floods.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the Sep 2005 cold snap in Southland and Canterbury.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the Nov 2005 Gisborne floods.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the Jun 2006 Canterbury snow.
Ken Ring’s Almanac predicted a cyclone Bola strength storm would hit the N.I. in 2006. This prediction failed.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the Apr 2010 Southland, Central Otago floods.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict the devastating Sep 2010 Southland snow storm.
Ken Ring failed to predict the Dec 2004 Asian Tsunami, or the earthquake that caused it, the 2009 7.8 Southland earthquake or the 2010 7.1 and 2011 6.3 Christchurch earthquakes. (Yes, he predicts earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and mass strandings of whales and dolphins as well as weather.)
Ken Ring predicted that the crater lake wall at Ruapehu was ‘very likely’ to blow in Nov, then Dec 2004. This prediction failed.
Ken Ring predicted ‘lots’ of rain, ‘rivers will be up… trampers and school camps will be in jeopardy and lives could be lost’ for Labour weekend 2010. This prediction failed.
Ken Ring’s Almanac failed to predict either the July or August 2011 extreme polar blasts that hit NZ.
These well publicised and well documented events were simply taken at random and checked against Ken Ring’s Almanac.

“NASA beleived strongly enough in the lunar/earthquake connection to go to the trouble of putting mirrors on the moon to take laser readings”

Really? Really? And just why do you think that wanting to accurately measure the earth to moon distance indicates a belief in a liner/earthquake connection?

”
Whether or not you give any credence to Ring’s theories or not, he surely has a right to speak freely without fearing for his life.”

True, as should I without fearing a kick in the pills from Scott.

Ha ha ha

Did Ring predict the current weather bomb hitting the north island?

Of course not. It is being caused by secret NWO weather weapons.

Ha ha ha

I predict heavy chem trail activity in the following weeks.

You are so lacking in imagination that you would be a liability in an emergency so kindly hop back into the stagnant pond that you climbed out of.

Gaia began as an ecogical theory about the mutual depenedance of life forms. Some dry minded people reject it out of hand because it threatens to awaken their sense of awe.

Arno Karlen
Biography of a Germ.

The Facist dry mindset that can applaud a death threat to someone who speaks their mind is obviously an aberration that escaped from a chemical warfare lab.

Fracking .. coming to a city near you soon and Pomeroys will slip down a crack .. steer clear buy a crate.

Gotcha Gary. The astronauts responsible for putting those mirrors there said so. If you can wait until monday I can give you precise names and book source.
The guys running the Ring Laser project up in the bunker behind Princess Margeret hospital also confirmed thia to me personally some years back on an open day.So yeah really really.

AS Ivor is also telling you, Gary, regardless of how accurate Ring may or may not be (no more nor less than metservice) he still has the right to promote a theory just as you have the right to refute it.
You may recall I protested on your behalf when Scotty put you in the naughty corner.
The main reason for the childish mainstream reaction to Ring is his lack of formal qualification and his astrological background. So what? Isaac Newton was a closet alchemist and believed in the Bible Code.

Exactly .. in fact Newton made no secret of his belief in Alchemy .. his report of the silver trees that he was growing is fascinating and BTW his experiments are replicable Garry.

P.S. the NWO weather weapons are no secret! try googling “weather as a force multiplier: owning the weather by 2025″ The US Navy certainly has no doubt about their ability to modify the weather to their advantage, even though it is technically illegal.

Martin .. again exactly!!

And we are on the end of it all .. there has been some weird things about the Quakes that I cannot quite put my finger on.

Of course the money changers always seem to benefit .. but it is we that pay.

there have been some disturbing developments on the Project Blue Beam front. It seems Monast’s “antichrist”, the Maitreya, is very real and starting to gear up his activities.He seems to have an inordinate amount of interest in little old New Zealand. Remember the sequence of events in the masterplan? First the earthquakes, then the UFO sightings, then comes the rise of the antichrist

Check out Uncensored mag. issue 26 p.27 “who is REALLY behind OWS?”

http://www.Share-international-nz.info/
(Maitreya Ad “bright star like
object”).

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Creme/Maitreya.htm

http://www.Maitreya.org/

Heaps of stuff on youtube available re. Benjamin Creme “Maitreya” and the UN – Lucis Trust connection. (Lucis=Lucifer=Satan)

Face palm!

Harrrrharrr harr! I wondered how many microseconds it would take for you to bite!
Don’t you love the world of Ultraparanoia! Be afraid, be very afraid, the end is nigh!
It’s worth taking a look at some of this stuff especially the youtube clips!

http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7JtKtBEVV4&feature=related.

The above is a classic.
Scary thing is that this madness is actually going on, I’m not making it up!
Like I said, someone’s hard at work stirring up 2012 paranoia to some sinister purpose.
Wether or not you or I believe this lunacy, people in high places obviously do, and thats the scary bit. The United Nations is full of New Age nut-jobs intent on promoting a false messiah. KooKoo, KooKoo!

Martin …

Re blue beam .. some things really stink eh?

Green Party co-leader Rod Donald died last night at around midnight at his home in St Martins, Christchurch. Mr Donald had last week been ill with a chest infection, but it is understood that a heart attack caused his death.

Mr Donald was well known for his honesty and honourable nature – a man true to his principles and was seen by many as this new Parliament’s man of human and community ideals.

Mr Donald is survived by his partner Nicola and daughters, Holly, Emma, and Zoe.

Other political leaders were told of Mr Donald’s death this morning. Scoop understands a funeral for Mr Donald will take place on Thursday.

You might be a little behind with that announcement Ivorrrr.

You really must make an effort to keep up.

And medical science has come a long way since the 1800′s where you seem to be stuck.

Thanks for the news Ivor, I hadn,t caught up with that yet.Guess I’m also “behind”. Sorry to Hear about RM, I voted Green this year, mainly as they act as something of a “handbrake” on National’s runaway environmental carnage, rather than any idealistic belief that Green would actually win the elections.
My condolences to Mr. Donald’s family, May his soul find eternal peace.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10423596

“Greens co-leader Rod Donald was killed by a “very rare” complication of a common food bug, according to the Christchurch coroner.

The MP was known to have been ill for several days before his death on November 6, 2005, suffering stomach cramps, diarrhoea and vomiting. He had told people he had food poisoning.”

2005
2005
2005
2005

Coroner Richard McElrea said today that Mr Donald died of a heart infection following a bout of illness due to campylobacter.

Really guys, what cave have you been in for the last six years?

Ivorrrr, Rod was a cyclist!

Ooooohhh! Light bulb goes on in Martin’s Head! Duh!
Sorry been looking at too many youtube clips of loopy old coots claiming to channel the next messiah!
What you are trying to say, Ivor, is that there may be a connection between Blue Beam and Rod Donald’s death in 2005.Yes?
Thanks Gary for the reality check, I’m getting the picture now.

Feel a bit of a dimwit now.

Sorry for any confusion Martin I had assumed that my ref to Blue Beam would have rung the bell.

I had picked up via either Monast or Creme that the Heart Attack scenario seems to be a signature tune for many people and in particular whistle blowers.

I had thought that it was strange about the heart attack with Rod because he was a healthy eater and exercised on a regular basis.

Postmortems .. in certain cases I do not believe that Joe Public gets the truth .. if one wants to see why I think so .. then Check out the situation for Hollie Grieg. http://www.paltelegraph.com/columnists/peter-eyre/4403-the-deeply-upsetting-story-of-hollie-greig.html

This is the usual corruption in high places .. I am sure there must be many people in NZ with some horrific tales to tell.

Hey Garry (gary) why not try Googling Garry and see what it means.

My use of Garry is force of habit. I had a good friend in the UK who was a Garry and with whom I communicated over many years. However he was nothing like you .. his brain was in his head and not his big toe.

I cannot see why you find it necessary to regurgitate Pomeroys Beer all over your keyboard.

“I had picked up via either Monast or Creme that the Heart Attack scenario seems to be a signature tune for many people and in particular whistle blowers.”

Yes indeed, heart disease is the most common cause of death amongst whistle blowers.
It is also the most common cause of death amongst users of Microsoft software. Hmmmm, didn’t Bill Gates have something to do with Microsoft? Wow! I think I have just uncovered yet another NWO conspiricay.

Oh, wait.
http://greenanswers.com/q/38661/health-wellness/what-most-common-cause-death-worldwide/

Heart disease is the most common cause of death worldwide in both low and high income cultures. There are some interesting contrasts between the two cultures. In high income countries, lung cancer came in at number 3 (didn’t make top 10 in low income cultures). Likewise, AIDS/HIV ranked 4th in low income countries while failing to make top 10 in high income countries. Colon/rectum caner, Alzheimer’s, Type 2 diabetes, breast cancer, and stomach cancer were all also in the top 10 for high-income countries and newborn conditions, diarrhea, TB, malaria, and road traffic accidents more greatly affect low and middle-income countries.

Citations:
http://www.webmd.com/lung/copd/news/20060525/top-10-causes-death-worldwide

Thanks for the rr explanation Ivor. I guess old habits are hard to break. I didn’t google Garry. I don’t use Google.
THEY can track you.
http://donttrack.us/
I must confess that when I first saw your name I mistook it for Igor. I had just finished a Pratchet book with several Igors in it. After reading some of your posts I soon learned that you were most certainly not an Igor. The Igors in Pratchet’s stories know how the human body works.

BTW, we had a nice little 4 yesterday evening. I am beginning to get used to the aftershocks now. This was the first one that didn’t trigger an adrenalin rush.

That mag. 4 yesterday was the first I’ve felt in a while. Loyalty Islands near New Caledonia just had a shallow (15k. depth) Mag 6.9. No casualties as far as I can determine.

BTW Creme isn’t a whistleblower Ivor, he’s the “antiChrist” Maitreya’s warmup man. Watched a clip of this guy and it’s scary that anyone can take this old fool seriously. Yet lots of people do.
Somewhat disturbing.

Space weather News:Old Sol is gearing up for some fairly heavy activity. KP index 4 (unsettled) M class CME activity. Geomagnetic storms in progress.

Intersting ad. for duckduckgo, Gary.Alternatively don’t look up anything embarrasing. If ya got Herpes talk to your doctor!
How do you know you can trust duckduck? how do you know THEY aren’t a front for the NWO? But wait..your doctor works for the Large Farmer…aaaaaarrrrrgh! You can’t trust ANYONE anymore!!!

Martin take a look at this … what do you think ?

http://enenews.com/study-all-western-east-coast-covered-airborne-particles-march-20-model-shows-canada-based-solely-reactor-1-explosion-photo

Hey guys, I am enjoying the discussion…. don’t have much time today but here is a link to a new documentary about the Moon I found interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MZ3WQimFcc&feature=fvst I also have a question for Gary, well, everyone really. Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?

Gary might not answer .. he has some carrots stuck in his orifices ..

9/11 and 7/7 definitely inside jobs the evidence is monumental .. see the latest video of the spire disintegrating .. the latest is small nukes .. I hear that the FBI ran a helicopter over the city checking for radiation hot spots a few days after 9/11 happened .. the biggest hot spot that they found was of all places the Israeli Embassy.

But wait that was probably the xray machine they use for Holocaust survivors

Ivor, that link was real scary.Plutonium is nasty stuff, stays in the body indefinitely.

ReV, thanks for the clip. Many years ago I read a book called “someone else is on our moon” by G.H.leonard. Indeed there are some strange goings-on, on the moon. Thanks to Google, you can now see things in far better detail. Hey Mr. Ewing, how about starting up post for a thread on Lunar Anomalies?

As far as 911 goes, I think Dick Cheney was the mastermind behind it all. Gary won’t have a bar of it, but that’s cool, Gary’s doing his job as resident skeptic and be dissapointed if he wasn’t!

Be back shortly after I’ve read the kids their bedtime stories.
More have I to say!

No Martin, it was the Israeli lizard aliens from planet Zorg. Recognizable by a strong smell of carrot and celery.

Re lunatics … http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Martin, I don’t know why you are thanking Google for pictures of the moon. You should be thanking NASA and every American whose tax money paid for them.

Jeez, don’t get crazy Scott started on the moon! Surely he already has enough paranoid delusions going on in his tiny skull.

Oops, that was daring … snotty Scotty might ban me again, or even kick me in the pills!

Was that another 4.2 quake? Oh no, it was just me quaking in my boots.

Hellooooo Gary. Over your little outburst yet?
Speaking of NASA, I promised you some reference to the lunar laser ranging mirrors being used Re. the lunar – earth quake theory comes from the book “To Rule The Night” by astronaut James B. Irwin.(published 1973) ref. page 72.
Also “The Unexplained”(Orbis,1980) article “Earth Lights and Tectonic Strain Theory” there is the following quote:”It is worth noting that when the sun or moon cross the horizon there is a ‘shear force’ which acts along the ground rather than upwards, as in tidal pull, exerted on fault lines.”
By the way Gary, I AM DISAPPOINTED!
you are not doing your job! Stop this nonsense about carrotty lizards at once!

Tomorrow I’ll give my summation of the Benjamin Creme / Maitreya thing, now I’ve done my research, and thanks NASA, thanks taxpayers of America, and goodnight all….yawn.

James Irwin also believed in Noah’s Ark! Hardly a credible source.

Howver, just because he is wrong about the Ark doesn’t mean he is wrong about everything.
Please quote his actual words and some official quotes from NASA supporting your claim that the mirrors were put there because NASA believed strongly in a lunar/earthquake connection.
Also, did the measurements that the mirrors enabled support the hypothesis that the moon’s position causes or predicts earthquakes? (And, please, use NASA as the source. Not some individual of dubious rationality)

Enjoy this brief spell of good weather. NIWA suggest that we may be in for a colder than normal winter.

Hi Gary, nothing wrong with believing in Noahs Ark (another favourite subject of mine).
That aside, I never said NASA believed in it strongly, I said that they took it seriously enough to investigate. I am actually unaware of what if any conclusions were reached, and have enough on my plate. Feel free to investigate!
What I’m trying to establish here is not a resounding endorsement of Ring’s theories, but to establish that the idea has more merit than Ring’s detractors suggest.
“Prediction” is an unfortunate word. Ring, as he repeatedly stresses, deals in probality, not certainty, and with a pretty generous window at that.
As for the actual quote, I don,t have the book here (it belongs to a workmate). Irwin discusses installing the 3oo mirrors during the Apollo 15 mission, and describes the use of laser ranging to measure wobble and variation between the Earth and the moon. He says that the NASA scientists told him that they believed extreme variances in the wobble may result in earthquakes and this was one of the things that would be investigated. Sorry its not a direct quote but thats the gist of it.
Thanks for the NIWA “prediction”(hehehe). I also “predict” a colder than normal winter.
PLEASE NOTE: my interest in the subject of “Noah’s Ark “does NOT mean a beleif in creationism or a fundamentalist/literalist interpretation of the Bible!

I was intending to give my “last word” on the Creme/ Antichrist thing, but I’ve found a 20 min. doco that sums things up nicely:
Benjamin Creme’s “Maitreya” debunked-
http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=fCG4ZpKu9Fs
Worth watching, a sensible analysis of Creme and his deceptions.

I go my whole life without seeing a single UFO. Along comes 2012 and I’ve now had two good sightings!
3.20pm today, broad daylight. Even had time to grab my tripod mounted 7×50 binos. Again, as on New Years Eve, 2 points of light. First one picked up with naked eye, pretty prominent, moving slowly from west to south east. Slowed down, moved upward in a slow arc where it moved towards a second, identical light source. Both lights then moved in a south west direction in echelon formation. Then comes the strange bit: both lights merged and promptly vanished!
Anyone with any (sensible please) idea as to what this might have been?

OK Gary, heres one for you!
http://earthquake.usgs gov/learn/faq/?faqID=109

“Recent studies by USGS scientists have revealed that the full moon at lunar perigree may cause slight seismic activity”

There’s a quote for you.

Spaceweather update: X class solar storm in progress (x5) alert for possible electronic interference.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?faqID=109
When the confining pressure is lessened, the faults are unclamped and more likely to slip. The increased probability is a factor of ~3 during high tides. But you must stop are realize that the background probability is, in general, very low in a given place and year (fractions of a percent), so that raising this tiny probability by a factor of 3 during high tides still results in a very tiny probability.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?faqID=109
Many studies in the past have shown no significant correlations between the rate of earthquake occurrence and the semi-diurnal tides when using large earthquake catalogs.

So what we have is a minuscule increase in probability of a small earthquake. Of no use in predicting the big ones that kill us.

Correct! so science says 1: there is an effect, so the basis of Ring’s theory is correct, BUT! 2: the measurable effect is very small, according to current scientific understanding.
Hence the reason (probably) why Ring scores a few lucky hits, but just as many misses. Every now and then, I can imagine the tiny extra “tweak” of the lunar gravity may, in fault – riddled Canterbury, be just enough to trigger a large quake. I know the science doesn’t quite allow for that, but I’m being kind to Ken Ring here.
Repeatability and consistency are the pillars of scientific acceptance, and here is where Ring runs into trouble.
I still absolutely maintain that Ring was treated most unfairly by the media and acedemia, leading to a violent public reaction.
Ken Ring has every right to share his theories with whoever will listen.If you don’t want to hear it, don’t listen!If you disagree with his theories, well you’re free to explain your reasons, or so you would hope in this “free” country.
You and I may disagree about many things, but I defend strongly your free right air your ideas, opinions and arguments.
I note that you were pretty quick to judge Irwing based on his belief in Noah’s Ark…then quickly retracted (just as I was about to pounce!) So should we judge Ring based on his astrological beliefs…or perhaps based upon the joy he gave to children as a clown ?
This man did nothing to deserve death threats, no matter what his ideas or beliefs.

By the way I’ve read a couple of Ring’s books and came away unconvinced by his theories.

Time is racing these days. I came onsite only to have Martin give me more to checkout. I am on overload these days.
The following is long but if you want to understand all thats gong on.

I suggest you get some beers in & invite some friends to listen together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhkWueEjewM&feature=player_embedded

Hi Judy, thanks or the link, I’ve heard smething about this. I’ll have to watch in bits as 4hrs is hard to come by these days!

If the weather is clear in your neck of the woods over the next couple of nights, keep an eye on the sky, we could be in for a lightshow!
Don’t expect your GPS or sattelite TV to work too well though….

Some stuff on HAARP from Brasscheck :

HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) claims to be an academic project,

however, patents and military documents demonstrate

that the project resembles Tesla’s ‘death ray’ and Bernard Eastlund’s “ionospheric heater.”

The U.S. Navy and Air Force are co-sponsors of the project,

leading one to ask,

“Since when is the military interested in academia without military applications?”

HAARP is a weapon.

Check out this clip from the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)…

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/9746.html

- Brasscheck

Absolutely agree Mr. Ewing.
Great articles in the latest issue of the mag. on the Chch quakes and the related subject of chemtrailling.
By the way, there are a few commercial weather modification companies advertising cloudseeding operations in the US.China recently ensured clear skies for their Mayday parade using weather modification.
Space Weather.com has issued another solar flare alert today, Kp index = 7. Old Sol is getting angry!

Re. the subject of HAARP, here’s an interesting quote from “The Rough Guide to Conspiracy Theories”:
In 1998 “the European Parliiament’s Committee on Foreign Affairs..said that it considered HAARP to be ‘a global concern’ and called for its ‘legal, ethical and ecological implications to be examined by an inde pendant body’, while also stating disappointment at the US’s refusal to give evidence about the device’s environmental risks. However, any follow-up was dropped because of the EU’s lack of clout over US military policy, and to avoid a Washington/Brussels showdown – proving to some that resistance is indeed futile.”

I always remember my first visit to the official HAARP website, the nice cordial overview, followed by the grim military legal warning afterwards ! One immediately gets a feeling something BAD is goin’ down behind athin veneer of polite smiles.

Carcinogenic Chemicals Contaminating Water Supply Through Fracking

Mike Barrett
NaturalSociety
March 10, 2012

Carcinogenic Chemicals Contaminating Water Supply Through FrackingFracking has been known to be cause environmental and health damage. Doctors have begun warning the United States government along with gas and oil producers of the dangers revolving around fracking, with many on a quest to end fracking completely.
Carcinogenic Chemicals Contaminating Water Supply Through Fracking

Fracking, or the act of pumping water and chemicals underground in order to facilitate the flow of oil or gas, is resulting in contaminated and polluted groundwater. Environmentalists and activists alike have long been trying to force oil and gas companies to disclose which chemicals are being used for their drilling and fracking process, but efforts have been less than successful. A 2011 congressional report states that many of the chemicals being used in the fracking process do pose a health risk, and so individuals should know exactly what chemicals are being used. Another report released by the Food & Water Watch states that the process of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, is to become a global and environmental health threat.

Wenonah Hauter, Executive Director of Food & Water Watch, states:

“Fracking is a dangerous American export that should be viewed critically by countries just starting to engage in the practice. Modern drilling and fracking have caused widespread environmental and public health problems, as well as posed serious, long-term risks to vital water resources…while the oil and gas industry is profiting off of this technology, it has been a disaster for Americans exposed to its pollution.”

Although the full list of ingredients used in fracking is not known, we do have a partial list. Here are some of the known ingredients and chemicals used in the fracking process:

Water – Making up approximately 99 percent of fracking fluid.

Methanol – A chemical used in antifreeze, pain solvent, and vehicle fluid, methanol can cause headaches, fatigue, eye irritation and can be fatal at high doses. Swallowing methanol could cause eye damage or even death.

Crystalline silica – A known carcinogen, crystalline silica is harmful when inhaled over a long period of time, leading to silicosis or cancer. It can be found in concrete, brick mortar, and construction sands.

Naphthalene – Naphthalene is found in mothballs, can cause respiratory tract irritation, nausea, vomiting, fever, death, and is carcinogenic.

Diesel – Another carcinogen, diesel is known to cause redness, burning, severe skin damage, and cancer.

Formaldehyde – Ingesting one ounce of formaldehyde can cause death, while exposure over time can cause lung damage, nervous system disorders, and reproductive problems in women. The chemical is also a carcinogen.

Lead – Previously found in 500 popular lipsticks, and known to contaminate the water supply, lead is a carcinogenic heavy metal found in paint and building construction materials. It leads to nervous system damage, fertility problems, and brain disorders.

Sulfuric acid – Found in lead-acid batteries for cars, sulfuric acid is corrosive to all body tissues. At a lethal dose of between 1 teaspoonful and 1.5 ounce, it is classified as a probable carcinogen.

Many more chemicals can be found in the fracking process such as fuel oil #2, kerosene, hydrofluoric acid, and boric acid. With mainstream doctors, the EPA, and countless activists around the nation protesting the health-threatening nature of hydraulic fracking, isn’t it time that an independent investigation was conducted?
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“Carcinogenic Chemicals Contaminating Water Supply Through FrackingFracking has been known to be cause environmental and health damage”

In New Zealand? Where, when, some evidence please.
Without the evidence you are just scare mongering.

in New Zealand? Where, when, some evidence please.
Without the evidence you are just scare mongering.

Read the article stoopid.

Head of Quds Supreme Court Warns about Zionists’ Plots to Destroy Al-Aqsa Mosque

TEHRAN (FNA)- Head of Quds Supreme Court Yusuf Ade’is warned about the Zionist regime’s plots to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque through artificial earthquakes.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9012151827

Garry .. this is not NZ either .. its Jerushalom ..

Sounds like a delightful brew there, Ivor. I would be surprised if the Frackers made up a special “clean grean” brew just for us.
One of the bits of info Gary posted recently said that a Halliburton (cue Darth Vader music) spokesman actually drank some fracking fluid to demonstrate how safe it is. Which, of course, proves that Halliburton execs are Alien Reptoids who thrive on toxic substances (hence the plot to pollute our planet).

Watched the segment on fracking on “Sunday” TV1, thankfully taking the anti-oil baron stance, unlike Campbell a couple of weeks back who practically kissed their asses.

The propaganda/brainwashing from the oil companies is unbelievable!
“We look after your children” ? pass me the chuck-bucket.

GOOD NEWS !
And heaven knows we need some.
Please share in my pleasure in presenting excerpts from article by Vicki Anderson (The Press, 12/3/12)

“three New Zealand community boards…last week called on the Government for their areas to be declared fracking free zones.
On tuesday, the Spreydon-Heathcote community Board unanimously passed a multi-part motion calling for the practice to be banned.
….Board member paul McMahon said..
“If the Government will not even grant a moratorium until we know for sure how safe fracking is in the New zealand context, then we need to let them know we will not take no for an answer”.
“I know this is a symbolic move, but symbolic moves have the potential to lead to real change.
“The anti-nuclear movement that led to New Zealand being declared nuclear-free started with a small jurisdiction like ours declaring themselves nuclear-free.
“Until we know…fracking is safe, that our water and air won’t be polluted, that our country roads won’t be ruined, that fracking will not cause more earthquakes, then we must become and remain fracking-free zones”
The Waimakariri District Council on Tuesday became the fourth local authority to call on the Government to implement a moratorium….
In Taranaki, where fracking is already taking place, the Egmont plains community Board…on Wednesday unanimously passed a motion for the ward to be declared a fracking- free zone and called on other community boards…to do the same”

While the fight is far from over, this is abig step forward. To say I am over the bloody moon would be an understatement !

We must also stop pile driving until we know that it is safe and will not cause more earthquakes. The science has not yet been done on the safety of pile driving. This continual hammering of the ground can be felt hundreds of metres away. This can not be good for mother earth. She will surely react.

Lol!
Sorry Gary, not even close! A feeble attempt at retaliation. Very “Phillip J Klass-ish”.Funny in Monty Pythonesque way though.

Pile Driving rattle Garries false teeth.

This can not be good for mother earth. She will surely react.

ROFL well we certainly know how Garry;s head reacts .. drivel drivel .. oops Freudian slip Dribble,Dribble.

Make the most of it Ivor, kick Gary while he’s down!
Ahhh, sweet,sweet victory…
Sorry Gary. Very childish of me.

What would be required for you to accept that fracking was safe?

Hmm .. does ketchup go with sweet sweet victory? ..

If it were done directly in John Key’s back yard, or maybe at Pomeroy’s?
Seriously though Gary, I don’t think Fracking in Canterbury is a good idea, period. I don’t want it here. I don’t want to worry about what my kids are drinking from the taps. Earthquakes from natural causes will still happen, I don’t anything that could possibly add to natural seismicity.
I want what any parents want. I want my kids to be safe and healthy.
No Fracking.

Gary & Ivor, A little perspective on my stand on the fracking issue.
Obviously I’ve reached a point where I no longer stand on “middle ground” on this subject.
Credit and thanks is due to both of you for the information, leads, and insights you’ve both given, and I appreciate that your main reason for being on this site is for the vaccination debate, so thanks for going out of your way.

There’s this mining technique called fracking. It has a history of being associated with contaminated water supply and seismic activity.
Then there’s this city, which is renowned for its pure, unflouridated water. It has just endured more than a year of earthquakes and aftershocks. Lives have been lost and homes ruined.
The residents want a sense of stability and normality back in their lives. To pick up the pieces and rebuild.
Right in the midst of all this the Government issues permits for fracking, without even waiting for the ground to stop shaking.
What did the Government expect the public reaction to be?
Are our Government really that stupid they think we wouldn’t be alarmed?
Or have they anticipated resistance?
And if so, what do they intend to do about it?
This is far from over……

I can only agree with your conclusions in the matter of the FKN Fracking. Further to the questions that you posed ..

Are our Government really that stupid they think we wouldn’t be alarmed?
Or have they anticipated resistance?
And if so, what do they intend to do about it?

The NZ police have a nasty habit of carrying out trials by media .. Court dates,Appearances and Judges on a circuit are manipulated by conspiracy with the DOJ staff that man the Nations Court Houses ..

I would also point out the nasty rash of cases where the wrong man has been incarcerated for a number of years .. they then throw the dog a bone .. I wonder what happens to those Police who were involved with the tampering of evidence and false testimony etc?.

The RNZAF have purchased 9 helicopters .. 3 are delivered and the rest are coming at the end of the year. The European forces that have put this machine through trials and the overall consensus appears to be Crock of Shit although the Air force have pronounced them selves satisfied that it will do the job it was purchased for.

The copters are troop carriers each one designed to carry a section of fully armed men.

The Army also has a fleet of armoured troop carriers, 100 I believe each one carries a section of fully armed men complete with light field weapons .. mortars and machine guns etc .. the 100 can move a Battalion of men .. 3 sections of 8 men to a platoon .. 3 platoons to a company .. 3 fighting platoons to a Battalion plus HQ staff and heavy weapons platoon .. The Police are and have access to high powered rifles ..

The name of the game is what happened to the village where Tama Iti resided .. at any time the police can report that they cannot contain a situation and a magistrates rubber stamp is obtained to bring the army in.

The Army currently have a recruiting team in the UK .. that costs money .. perhaps they will try to raise a 1000 men .. Battalion strength. Perhaps they will introduce conscription. plus if Jonkey whistles his mates across the ditch they would be here fully armed in a brace of shakes if not sooner.

Naah .. we are going to do as we are told or else! .. Rothschild owns NZ .. do you remember the Pig Farmer and Longy (sp) Did you see the nonsense with Roger the Dodger and Brash the Cash? Did you see what happened to Tamaheri when he said he was sick of hearing about a Holocaust.

Get used to it .. we are sold up lock stock and barrel already .. and we are borrowing at 1 billion dollars a month .. under the current system of Bank Usury our childrens children and their children will still be groaning under the weight of the Shareholders and this rotten stinking Usury trip.

The NZ Reserve Bank is not really .. its no better than the American Fed and Bernanke Crew .. so forget it Martin when its time to peel off the velvet gloves, then they will and they are nearly ready .. and do you know what .. it is kiwis that are gonna do it to kiwis .. Baaaaaa Baaaa Bah!

If there is nothing that can convince you of the safety of fracking, then you have sadly flipped to the ‘faith’ stance.
   
“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”

Sad but not unexpected.

No more to be said on the subject.

Gary, I have thought, I have listened, and I have evaluated the evidence.All I see is a poor track record for fracking safety, a lot of reassurances from those who do not bear responsibility (yet reap the profits) and fear and uncertainty from those appointed responsibility.
Given the current status of Christchurch a moratorium would be a good thing. The Government is unwilling to grant this. Therefore I am unwilling to give them my “blessing” to proceed.
This is not about faith, it is about common sense.

Faith you say Garry .. Faith ? You are the one acting on faith .. faith that science is always right .. faith in those that are making money on insider dealings in spite of the overly generous parlimentary pay.

The consensus is that Fracking is FKN unsafe .. get used to the idea and thank those that seem to have more of a clue than you do.

Check out Japan on the World Seismic monitor guys, theyre getting really hammered right now: 6.8, 6.1, a bunch of 5,s.

More on FKN Fracking ..

Wisconsin Legislation May Strip Towns of Authority to Stop Fracking
The natural gas industry is rolling out its civil rights-stripping playbook in Wisconsin.
March 14, 2012 |

One of the few tools for Wisconsin citizens to protect their health and land from the hazards of expanded frac sand mining across the state could be weakened by a newly introduced bill in the state legislature.

The state’s Senate is considering a piece of legislation today aimed at “limiting the authority” of Wisconsin cities, villages or towns to enact a “development moratorium ordinance” — a mechanism used recently by several local governments across the state to set aside time so they can investigate the effects of proposed mining on their community.

Sand mining corporations have expanded operations in Wisconsin over the past few years, taking advantage of the lax regulations of non-metallic mining in the state. They are after the state’s sand resources, which are high in silica content, for use in the controversial “natural” gas and oil extraction process of “fracking” — which has been linked to contaminated water supplies across the country. Much of Wisconsin’s sand is the ideal shape and strength — and the state’s geologic profile has made it more accessible here than in other parts of the country — turning the state into a top targeted provider for the “natural” gas and oil industry.

Wisconsin communities have been caught off-guard as corporations have swooped in to set up shop and begin extracting and processing the sand, without very much oversight to protect the health of neighbors or to protect the natural environment. Dane County, the League of Wisconsin Municipalities and the Wisconsin Farmer’s Union have all lobbied against this bill. There are about 60 frac sand mines operating in Wisconsin and about 40 more which are attempting to gain permits.

Hurdles for Local Governments
For communities unfamiliar with frac sand mining, a moratorium gives citizens and local elected officials time to discuss adopting ordinances, like zoning or licensing. The local governments cannot use the moratorium to permanently or indefinitely delay the creation or expansion of a frac sand mining operation.

According to Curt Witynski, assistant director of the League of Wisconsin Municipalities, this bill (SB 504) in some form has been around for about two years. The Wisconsin Realtors Association and the Wisconsin Builder’s Association have been behind the push for the passage of this bill to prevent what they consider unnecessary moratoriums in the state.

The rest of the story here …
http://www.alternet.org/story/154545/wisconsin_legislation_may_strip_towns_of_authority_to_stop_fracking?akid=8413.279488.75ULDe&rd=1&t=13

….and here come the mining bully boys to spoil the party. Happens all the time. Like I said, it’s far from over.

Just watched “60 Minutes” on fracking in NZ. Good segment. Sensible & well balanced (and reinforced my anti frack. stance in my own mind)
It’s all down to the $$$$$$ folks.
About 13 billion or so.

Earthquakes last day or so: 7.6 New Mexico, 4.2 Calif/New mexico border. Jim berkland was pretty close to the mark, as usual.
I reckon Berkland’s better than Ken Ring by a long shot.
The next few days could be interesting.

Air Emissions Near Fracking Sites May Pose Health Risk, Study Shows; Sites Contain Hydrocarbons Including Benzene

ScienceDaily (Mar. 19, 2012) — In a new study, researchers from the Colorado School of Public Health have shown that air pollution caused by hydraulic fracturing or fracking may contribute to acute and chronic health problems for those living near natural gas drilling sites.

“Our data show that it is important to include air pollution in the national dialogue on natural gas development that has focused largely on water exposures to hydraulic fracturing,” said Lisa McKenzie, Ph.D., MPH, lead author of the study and research associate at the Colorado School of Public Health.

The study will be published in an upcoming edition of Science of the Total Environment.

The report, based on three years of monitoring, found a number of potentially toxic petroleum hydrocarbons in the air near the wells including benzene, ethylbenzene, toluene and xylene. Benzene has been identified by the Environmental Protection Agency as a known carcinogen. Other chemicals included heptane, octane and diethylbenzene but information on their toxicity is limited.

“Our results show that the non-cancer health impacts from air emissions due to natural gas development is greater for residents living closer to wells,” the report said. “The greatest health impact corresponds to the relatively short-term, but high emission, well completion period.”

That’s due to exposure to trimethylbenzenes, aliaphatic hydrocarbons, and xylenes, all of which have neurological and/or respiratory effects, the study said. Those effects could include eye irritation, headaches, sore throat and difficulty breathing.

“We also calculated higher cancer risks for residents living nearer to the wells as compared to those residing further [away],” the report said. “Benzene is the major contributor to lifetime excess cancer risk from both scenarios.”

The report, which looked at those living about a half-mile from the wells, comes in response to the rapid expansion of natural gas development in rural Garfield County, in western Colorado.

Typically, wells are developed in stages that include drilling followed by hydraulic fracturing, the high powered injection of water and chemicals into the drilled area to release the gas. After that, there is flowback or the return of fracking and geologic fluids, hydrocarbons and natural gas to the surface. The gas is then collected and sold.

Garfield County asked the Colorado School of Public Health to assess the potential health impacts of these wells on the community of Battlement Mesa with a population of about 5,000.

McKenzie analyzed ambient air sample data collected from monitoring stations by the Garfield County Department of Public Health and Olsson Associates Inc. She used standard EPA methodology to estimate non-cancer health impacts and excess lifetime cancer risks for hydrocarbon exposure.

McKenzie noted that EPA standards are designed to be public health proactive and may overestimate risks.

“However, there wasn’t data available on all the chemicals emitted during the well development process,” she said. “If there had been, then it is entirely possible the risks would have been underestimated.”

The report concludes that health risks are greater for people living closest to wells and urges a reduction in those air emissions.

McKenzie said future studies are warranted and should include collection of area, residential and personal exposure data where wells are operating. Additional studies, she said, should also examine the toxicity of other hydrocarbons associated with natural gas development.

The study is entitled “Human Health Risk Assessment of Air Emissions from Development of Unconventional Natural Gas Resources.” It was accepted for publication on 2/11/2012 by Elsevier Science Ireland Ltd.

This scientific numerology is great when it supports what you have already decided is true eh ivan. But of course it can be ignored when it comes out in favour of vaccination.
You hypocrite.

Soooo Gary…. I haven’t read all of your posts but it seems that you believe there is nothing to worry about when it comes to fracking, the official story of 9/11 is entirely true and that vaccinations are harmless? Please enlighten me should I be wayward with my deductive reasoning. Enjoying and appreciate the thoughts and information being offered everyone. Been reading the new Uncensored? A positive undertone permeates throughout….

I have never claimed that vaccines are completely harmless.
Cost v benefit. Work it out.

Cost benefit? .. go look at the pdf file .. apparently the harm done was very close to 40% in some cases.

Go and look for Small Pox suffers. And when you find the Small Pox suffer, please come back and tell us about it. Please shut up until then.

The scientific numerology is great when it backs up what you’ve already decided ? Doesn’t that work both ways Gary me old mate?
We ALL do it.

Hey ReV, seems like deja vue, that’s how I started talking to Gary when I started posting here back in January!
And yes, Gary likes to foster the impression that he’s the King Of Skeptics. Truth is he’s just out fishing for a reaction, he’s NOT the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy, as Monty Python would say.

Always look on the bright side of numerology.

Try and work out the difference between evidence based and science based, Martin.

I thought science required evidence, but evidence, well, doesn’t require science…does that even make sense or am I just talking crap? Hell, what do I know.
Amazing games you can play with numbers though. Just ask an accountant or a statistician, or anybody trying to juggle figures to prove a point.

Gary you doofus. I just looked up up Evidence based and Science based on Wikipedia. They both mean the same thing. Evidence based is “a more encompassing term applied” to Science based. Usually applies to medicine or psychology.
Are you trying to confuse me with BS?

Earthquake: 5.7 south Aussie, and hot off the press a 6.1, Coober Peddy, only 3k depth. First record of a quake in 15 years I understand.
Way off the Ring of Fire here folks.

Ahh .. following the thread Martin .. the general drift .. geeze it don’t look good .. (Ivor retires to corner and replaces tin foil hat on head) better to hear what is coming in.

But seriously it sure looks like we are in for a battering .. Super Markets empty with nothing to sell .. local farmers rushed off their feet to perform their duty .. Community and the small farmer who is close to you .. support each other .. dig in Kiwi .. dig in !!

Yes Ivor, not sure if you’ve been following my researches on the chemtrail subject but, as I’ve said there, it feels like a lot of loose threads are weaving together (if you’ll forgive the “thread” pun).
It just seems like yesterday it was 1982 and I first encountered this 2012 “end of an age” subject.
And here we are: Earthquakes, solar flares, economic meltdown, the NWO gobbling up every stray country they can get their hands on, strange sounds in the sky, and so on…
Quite surreal.

Almost forgot!

4.1 mag, 5.09pm

3.9 mag, 5.09pm

Both at New Brighton, side by side just off the beach. 1 10k. deep, 1 12k deep.
Felt a bit of a shudder, kids laughed. They know the difference between a quake and a wee tremor !

As you say Martin ‘Surreal’ .. not a whiff of science in sight except to poo poo it or explain how it was like this on the Thames in the year 1700 and blob due to aunt Sallies plum tree that threw a wobbly.

Humans have some strange powers (Piss of Garry) and Prescient is one of them, we all have them, some choose to develop them and some choose to ignore and neglect them but I am sure a few are scratching their palms and saying .. I told you so ..

I have been following up the Blue Light thingy and what can one say .. oh fkn groan .. its like parallel universes, all in the race and wondering which one is going to hit the fan first.

Rodney Colling (The Theory of Celestial Influence) said .. if you were a blood cell and looked upwards, what do you think you would see?

If the blood cell looked upwards ? that was quite a clever question .. I found it enlightening in that I saw things in a totally different manner.

We do not know what we are ..

We do not know why we are here ..

There are many philosophies that give an answer but fuck all from science .. as far as I am able to figure .. as an individual we are on our own and it is up to each one to try to figure out those answers for ourselves .. we know our families and love them .. spread that love .. keep spreading that love ..

Udderwize ????

There is a very real difference between SBM ans EBM Martin…..

http://saveyourself.ca/articles/ebm-vs-sbm.php

“Evidence-based medicine by definition rigorously limits itself to considering only the evidence. To an EBM purist, all that matters is testing. If a treatment works, it should pass scientific tests with flying colours. If it doesn’t, it won’t pass.

Sounds good. And don’t doctors and scientists already pretty much get that? Sure they do — most of them. But they aren’t the problem.

This EBM thing would work out great if no one was ever dishonest. But snake oil is real, and snake oil salesman know full well that they can co-opt EBM simply by claiming that the evidence does support them, and/or that “more study” is needed.

When experts contradict this, the disagreement supposedly becomes a controversy — actually a manufactroversy.1

Thus the snake oil salesman leapfrogs right over awkward problems like whether their product is consistent with the laws of physics. And so, sadly and strangely, the EBM movement has actually levelled the playing field for poor quality ideas — for which the evidence can be misinterpreted and misrepresented ad nauseum. Arguments about the quality and value of the evidence can drag on for years, ironically protecting the quack, who is immune to the charge that the idea was never any good to begin with and that “further study” is a waste of time.

Unintended consequences

The classic absurd unintended consequence of EBM is that a really bad idea can easily be made to seem as though it is perpetually on the verge of legitimacy, no different than a much better idea that simply hasn’t yet been validated by research.

For instance, a quack selling sharp-stick-in-the-eye therapy could use pitch perfect EBM-speak to say technically correct but patently ridiculous things like this: “There is insufficient evidence to support the use of sharp sticks in the eye to treat blindness, so we should keep studying it!” Prominent EBM publications like The Cochrane Collaboration and The Natural Standard contain wonderful real-world examples: they routinely publish remarkably uncritical statements about therapies that have never yet had any evidence supporting them and — importantly — almost certainly never will.

This “quasi-scientific obfuscation” gives some amazingly bad ideas the appearance of far more legitimacy than they deserve, keeping them going like the Energizer bunny.

Physical and manual therapists are rarely inflicting harm on people’s bodies, but we’re probably doing something even worse: we’re using their bodies to justify our existence through myth propagation and quasi-scientific obfuscation.

John Ware, Physical Therapist, comment in an EBM vs. SBM debate
Enter the science

What does SBM have to say about sharp sticks in the eye? Simple: “That’s insane! Stop spending taxpayer dollars on studying something that stupid! There’s serious research that desperately needs funding and doing!”

There’s a tone of no-time-for-nonsense pragmatism in SBM, which I really like.

Extraordinary (implausible) claims require extraordinary evidence, and ignoring implausibility makes Carl Sagan turn in his grave. With its name, SBM suggests that we take basic science (much) more seriously when we’re talking about health care. We need to place greater emphasis on the value of a huge body of scientific knowledge about how humans work.2

The difference between SBM and EBM might seem like hair-splitting to many people. However, our civilization and tax dollars have better things to do than carry on studying and being distracted by low quality ideas in health care. Ironically, EBM has allowed extraordinary claims to cling to life without any evidence at all — not even ordinary evidence.

A science-based perspective is needed to address this problem.

I suspect that the originators of EBM … never thought of the possibility of EBM being applied to hypotheses as awe-inspiringly implausible as those of CAM. It simply never occurred to them; they probably assumed that any hypothesis that reaches a clinical trial stage must have good preclinical (i.e., basic science) evidence to support its efficacy.

Answering a criticism of science-based medicine, Dr. David Gorski
No contest

EBM and SBM are not competitors. SBM is not intended to usurp EBM — just to emphasize some neglected and abused aspects of it. Was coining a new term the best way to do that? Does it undermine EBM? Should Drs. Novella and Gorski have just put their effort into fighting for better EBM? Maybe. I don’t know, and I don’t think it matters much. I think they are fighting for better EBM.

It is not that we are opposed to EBM, nor is it that we believe EBM and SBM to be mutually exclusive. On the contrary: EBM is currently a subset of SBM, because EBM by itself is incomplete. We eagerly await the time that EBM considers all the evidence and will have finally earned its name. When that happens, the two terms will be interchangeable.”

Perhaps you need to get on Wikipedia & correct their info. Gary, as their summation that one term is a more “encompassing” version of the other certainly got me confused! Thought you were using Jedi mind tricks on me.
Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me, and share your insights.
Interestingly, my recent venture into the wierd world of chemtrails involved looking into something called Morgellon’s Disease. Lots of talk about this in conspiracy circles, claiming a chemtrail connection (I couldn’t find any link whatsoever). It seems to me that there’s a lot of self-diagnosis going on there. Someone gets a nasty rash or skin disorder, and bingo! “I’ve got Morgellons disease”.
To be sure some of the cases I saw pictured do indeed appear a bit bizarre, but I’m no doctor. The Internet is a great tool for info. gathering (just ask the NSA etc) but a trap for the gullible minded.

By the way, 3 reasonable sized tremors last night, plus the quakes in south Aussie, and the biggies in America a few days ago.
Jim Berkland and other “seers” of seismology will be claiming victory.Planets in alignment, New Moon and all that….Hmmmm

Sorry Ivor, missed your post the other day, just read it now.”If I was a red blood cell”? What are you smoking and where do I get some (you’re gonna tell me it grows in my garden, aren’t you?)
Interesting you should mention human powers of perception, have done any reading on the Stanford Research Institute/CIA Remote Viewing programs? Really interesting stuff. They had trouble keeping their psychic spies focussed on the job, as they found it more interesting to explore higher dimensions and alternate realities, than to look into some dusty old bunker in Iraq or Afghanistan.
They did, however, prove that remote viewing works, even though science can’t explain how or why.
(That’ll get Gary going!)

PS if you’ve been looking into the Blue Beam thing have you checked out Scotty’s recent post on the UN “heavy handed” world government?

Lol Martin .. the magic mushrooms are great .. I like the bit about remote viewing .. did you know that they have had some of these guys and gals looking at Mars ?

Apparently the Russians have not been slow off the mark .. I have also heard of Mother Rabbits that been taken away from their litter and taken aboard Nuclear Submarines. The rabbit is wired up and when one of her litter is killed she reacts which is detectable aboard the sub .. a means of saying .. arm warheads .. without the tell tale ELF waves which are normally used for communication and of course are subject to triangulation and possible retaliation.

I will take a look at Scotties latest post .. I guess Neo and his pooch keep me busy on the vax thread

I seem to think the Russians were first to take ESP seriously and the US didn’t want to miss out.
I remember remote viewers Newhouse and McMoneagle both looked at Mars and thought it a “dead” world, but with hints of some ancient civilisation here and there.
The subject of Remote viewing and psychic experimentation by intelligence agencies inevitably leads back to Andrija Puharich (remember him from my long-winded Blue Beam story?) who was manipulating gifted psychics via mind control techniques.
See what I mean about all these subjects coming together?(yes,yes Gary, it’s co-incidence I know. Ever heard of Fractal Time theory?)

Ivor, for you I recommend taking 20 minutes of your time to visit Youtube and look at “2012 A Message Of Hope”. It blew my mind. Simply beautiful, spiritually uplifting stuff.Not for Gary, perhaps though!
Please take a look at it.

Hi Martin .. I went to U tube and watched the video .. I only have one word to say .. Yessssssss ..

Onto the subject of Fkn Fracking and water contamination apparently the American EPA gave industry the all clear but the residents private tests show something different ..

What to Make of EPA Test Results: Is Water in Dimock, PA Really Safe to Drink After Fracking Contamination?
But what the EPA didn’t say publicly is that the water samples contained dangerous quantities of methane gas and other chemicals.
March 20, 2012 |

When the Environmental Protection Agency announced last week that tests showed the water is safe to drink in Dimock, Penn., a national hot spot for concerns about fracking, it seemed to vindicate the energy industry’s insistence that drilling had not caused pollution in the area.

The rest here .. http://tinyurl.com/bovrysg

To quote last weeks article in The Press: “Just because they keep saying over and over that it’s safe, doesn’t make it so”. How true. Thanks for the article Ivor, glad you enjoyed the Choice Points/2012 clip. There’s hope for us yet.

What this one got to do with earth quakes you may ask .. well its not too much of a stretch lol

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30919.htm

Earth Quake at Pine Gap Australia .. possible HAARP ..

http://www.zengardner.com/pine-gap-and-the-australian-quake/

“The rabbit is wired up and when one of her litter is killed she reacts which is detectable aboard the sub”

Yeah, right. And there is no such word as gullible in the dictionary.

Ivor you read my mind! I was just now looking the quake location on iris/google maps. It sure looks that way. Gary, Ivor is accurately reporting what the Russians did as an experiment. The yanks did even sillier stuff. Like I said, the military takes this stuff seriously, regardless of what your opinion may be.

Hi Martin .. not trying to change the focus of the thread because I think that there are connections to the Planetary disturbances.

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@ Garry ..

well I do believe one will find the word DENSE in the dictionary .. You must find it extremely hard to walk and talk with both of your feet lodged in your mouth ..

Forget what you learnt wearing Randy Pandies knickers, and then read this excerpt and then follow the link ..

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Theory and application of parapsychological principles were part of the experiments. Dr. Stern dealt with aspects of theoretical physics, designed to solve the enigma of psychic energies flowing between living things. The center’s elaborate equipment, he said, had “cost many millions.” In line with other Soviet experiments, the Novosibirsk center did such things as applying electric shocks to kittens to see whether their mother, three floors above, would react to their experience in a telepathic way. This type of experiment is similar to a rumored test in which baby rabbits were taken down below sea level in a Russian submarine, then killed, while the mother rabbit remained ashore, her reactions monitored by measuring brain and heart functions.

Project No. 8 included telepathy-type distance experiments among people. Inductors, or senders, were stimulated in one group of rooms, while recipients were placed elsewhere, their responses monitored on closed-circuit television. The center also undertook the study of electromagnetic forces in person-to-person and mind-over-matter experiments. Among laboratory animals used in the project were monkeys. Dr. Stern recalled further details:

“There were also experiments with photon waves, in which frogs’ eyes were used as a more sensitive measuring instrument than a machine. One involved putting bacteria on two sides of a glass plate to see whether a fatal disease could be transmitted through the glass. It was reasoned that if this could be done, it would show that photons – light particles – accounted for some inexplicable forms of communication.”

Stern did not succeed in the project he had been assigned, and which he regarded as a legitimate scientific challenge. In fact, the whole of No. 8 was dissolved in 1969, although it was much too early to achieve definitive results. Dr. Stern concluded that the shut-down reflected “a change in attitude or power balance in the Kremlin.” Presumably, Moscow authorities had decided on different administrative or research tactics in dealing with psychic studies.

Dr. Stern heard later that the Soviet armed forces, notably the navy, had established a parapsychology center in Leningrad. Dr. Gennady Sergeyev, best known for his work with Nina Kulagina, invited Stern to join him in a new Leningrad laboratory. Sergeyev had been assured that he would receive funds and permission to operate an advanced laboratory; nevertheless, the project was canceled. Through the scientific grapevine, Stern heard that the Novosibirsk and Leningrad projects had been “combined in a new laboratory in Moscow under the auspices of the KGB.” At the time he left the Soviet Union in 1974, Dr. Stern was told that parapsychology research had been “curtailed,” except for the “secret” KGB laboratory. He also heard that the lab had discovered “something important, very dangerous,” but he doubted the accuracy of these claims.

Stern’s recollections concerning photon waves have since been confirmed. Three researchers at Novosibirsk’s Institute of Clinical and Experimental Medicine and at the Institute of Automation and Electrometry (Siberian Section, USSR Academy of Science) are credited with undertaking the key experiment on this problem. They were Vlail Kanachevy, Simon Shchurin, and Ludmilla Mikhailova. Their experiment, designed to establish photon communication between cells of living organisms, has been listed in the State Register of Discoveries by the Committee for Inventions and Discoveries, which functions under the USSR Council of Ministers.

An English translation of their paper appeared in the Journal of Paraphysics (Vol. 7, No. 2, 1973) as “Report from Novosibirsk: Communication between Cells.” Their experiment indicated that cells could communicate illness, such as a virus infection, despite the fact that the cells were physically separated. The experimenters used normal cells, supplied with nutrients that enabled them to divide and survive normally. The tests showed that when one group of cells was contaminated with a virus, the adjacent group – although separated by quartz glass – “caught the disease.” When regular glass was used to separate the two cell groups, the non-contaminated cells remained healthy.

http://www.scientificremoteviewing.com/main-menu/the-novosibirsk-connection/

Note the use of Quartz glass and normal glass .. Quartz and its crystalline structure and the properties of those crystals are utilized in computer chips etc etc.

So is the quartz amplifying and transmitting something between the healthy and the diseased cells?

This line of reasoning probably underlies the HAARP transmissions .. Everything has its own frequency and Quartz has many properties .. just think of that boyhood craze for crystal radios .. can still remember the magic and wonder of it as a boy.

Therefore is must be possible to interfere or transmit almost anything .. Garry here is one to fry your brain .. think of the Occult Crystal Balls .. hehehe.

You truly are a gullible fellow Ivor.

Perhaps you will be able to duplicate this “communication” and win yourself a million dollars.

Better still, why not donate the cash to a charity of your choice. Think how much anti vaccine nonsense you could dispense with that sort of money.
I think it is your duty as a concerned citizen to win the million dollars. Go to it.

“At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. ”
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

James Randi is a F**kwit in the same league as Phil Klass.
You are correct about HAARP and the piezoelectric properties of quartz Ivor, that’s exactly how it works (or so the theory goes.)
Have you noticed a pattern forming in these shallow quakes? Nevada, Washington, Denver, Pine Gap. All US underground defense facilities.
Is someone targeting these places?
See Uncensored issue#26.
What about christchurch? The Gallery of Rogues were here, America’s stepping stone to the Antarctic and the “Texas of the South”. Why would they HAARP themselves?

To reinforce the message Gary, I’m willing to listen to pretty much any skeptical or scientific evidence or opinion on pretty much any subject. But James Randi and Phillip J. Klass I would not give the time of day to either of these imbeciles.

The great Randy Pandy has been looked at Martin by some scientists who decided to take up his challenge .. the story is that Randy Pandy keeps moving the goal posts and that they cant pin him down, in order to get some genuine experiments under way. They think he is a scammer.

When that Texas Jury skewers Deer of Deer then we should start to get some answers as to who is funding these weirdo,s .. Tim Bolen has had a quick look at Randy Pandy who is aligned to the Skep Dicks .. that he is a fraud with some strange predilections is slowly gaining traction as a idea in peoples mind.

Its all coming out Garry Boy, just like your beer belly.

Ah, all US Defense Establishments ? well would they do it to themselves?
Is the Govts of Russia or China using HAARP?

I wonder just how expensive it is to build and use such technology .. there are also lots of UFO reports about Military Nuke Facilities getting some attention.

As a Serious question .. do you think the American Forces in Australia have a Nuclear capability and if so where are they likely to be housed ? they could be used or activated from a remote control centre.

“The great Randy Pandy has been looked at Martin by some scientists who decided to take up his challenge .. the story is that Randy Pandy keeps moving the goal posts and that they cant pin him down, in order to get some genuine experiments under way. They think he is a scammer.”

Which scientists?
Are they in this list of losers?
http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43

“But James Randi and Phillip J. Klass I would not give the time of day to either of these imbeciles.”

Interesting. The ultimate ad hominem attack.

What have you got against poor old Randi? I’m asking Martin … I already know Ivor is a raging homophobe.

“poor old Randi?” I can hear violins already.Genuine scientific enquiry by the likes of Hal Puthoff I am most receptive to.
The antics of the likes of “The Amazing Randi”(his stage name) acheive nothing. Is Randi gay? makes no difference to me.
Psychic abilities, as I said, can’t be explained by science. Observed, yes.Measured? in terms of hit & miss, odds & probabilaties, i would say yes.
Arthur C. Clarke described terms such as “telepathy” and “psychokinesis” as “merely figleaves to conceal our ignorance.”
I am always wary and decidedly skeptical of claims of psychic ability. There are plenty of cunning hoaxers out there, and the worst of these include Televangelists and Faith Healers.
On the other hand, I have come across cases that certainly have me perplexed. Maybe one day science will provide answers on this subject, in the meantime I applaud objective, sensible research with scientists treating their subjects with respect. And I shall continue to be repulsed by the insensitive debunking campaigns of Randi and his kind.

Ivor, re. HAARP:
Russia, U.K. and US all have HAARP installations at Antarctica. The US installation is serviced by Area 51 dwellers Raytheon, via their Polar Services Division here in Christchurch. The Chinese do not appear to possess HAARP, at least not at Antarctica, but they do have a huge, mysterious black box down there. I understand Japan possess HAARP, but haven’nt seen evidence of such yet.
As I suggested in Scotty,s post on the UN, both they and the States seem to have their own separate One World Government agendas competing with each other, and I know for a fact the UN was miffed when the US refused to divulge info. on HAARP which they requested
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PS Raytheon’s contract with the Deep Freeze operation expires (appropriately) on April 1st, to be replaced by another bunch of Area 51-ites, Lockheed Martin.

Thank you for the info Martin .. it is a real mess of warrens .. so many rabbit holes.

Well that quake at Pine Gap ?? I can hardly think that they would do it to themselves unless something went wrong.

I do not know much about the equipment but at a guess they must have to tune it in some way .. unless they are using what we used to call fixed crystals which were locked to a particular frequency.

Naah it must be tunable .. I must find the time to look into it more .. but I feel that they probably have a range of usable frequencies to perform different tasks .. like rain and floods or drought and earth quakes.
Am I way off here ?

That Tesla wow a genius of the first water.

“….., in the meantime I applaud objective, sensible research with scientists treating their subjects with respect. And I shall continue to be repulsed by the insensitive debunking campaigns of Randi and his kind.”

You mean like Age of Autism

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/12/the_anti-vaccine_movement_shows_just_how.php

It’s never portrayed me as eating babies as part of a Thanksgiving feast. That’s right. AoA thinks its a load of yucks to paint its enemies as cannibals eating babies.

Even as someone who has become as jaded as I have when it comes to the behavior of the anti-vaccine movement, I was amazed by just how vile this latest post from Generation Rescue is. I realized that the anti-vaccine movement hates us defenders of science-based medicine, but I hadn’t realized the depth of the hatred, but it flowed out in torrents in the comments after this post. Misogyny, hatred, anger, and pseudoscience, all mixed together in a toxic brew, and I plan on pointing out some examples. No doubt AoA expected me and others to be outraged, but what I am, more than anything else, is depressed. That human beings can think such things based on so little evidence is truly depressing–and saddening.

“….. I understand Japan possess HAARP, but haven’nt seen evidence of such yet…..”

What? Is this like saying you understand vaccines cause autism but you haven’t seen evidence of such yet?

Or you understand homeopathy works but you haven’t seen evidence of such yet………

Or you understand Jesus rose from the dead but you havent seen evidence of such yet…….

BTW, you quote A C Clarke, a famous alleged fancier of little boys. Watch out, Ivor will be on to you about that.

Gee Garry you really do keep some very strange company ‘ORAC’ ROFLMAO.

Clarke ? Clarke ? I say old chap is this Clarke fella related to Helen ?

Time to take your meds again Ivor.

Ivor, HAARP is basically a big radio transmitter aimed up into the Ionosphere. By changing the frequency they can do different things. It heats up portions of the ionosphere to create a plasma “mirror” which can actually be tilted and steered.The signal can be routed around the world via land or sea based platforms (the sea based X band platforms are particularly impressive. Picture a modified container ship carrying an oilrig platform with a big “golfball” on it). ULF,ELF and VLF frequencies are utilised. HAARP is primarily a communication device, however it can potentially be used for remote prospecting, locating hidden underground facilities, weather modification and generating shallow earthquakes,and I suspect with a little more digging I’m sure the term “Phase Conjugation” will pop up in relation to HAARP. I’ll do some research when I get home tonight.

Gary, there are indeed some pretty extreme folk out there (on both sides I might add) and I guess these loonies are best ignored.
“understand”: I meant this to mean “it is alleged”.

As far as Jesus walking on water, well, no. Many of the more miraculous feats attributed to Jesus come from the later (and therefore more embellished and Greko-Roman influenced) gospels.

No Ivor, nothing to do with Helen. Good bloke, that Helen Clark. Funny name for a fella though…

Ps HAARP generating 2.5Hz indicates an attempt to create an earthquake.HAARP,s magnetometer charts were strangely “unavailable” during the weeks leading up to the Fukushima event. For Christchurch, scroll up to the top of this page.

What are these HAARP magnetometer charts you are harping on about Martin. Where can I see them?

I’ll be back with HAARP info. for you Gary, but first, the latest frackin’ frackers update; following yesterdays announcement of the official parliamentary investigation, an article on front page of today,s Press provided the following opinions:
From Geophysicist Michael Hastings (Oil and Gas Industry consultant)
“I support fracking if its done properly. I like driving my car and don’t want to pay $10 a litre to do so, but to introduce fracking in Canterbury without thorough research is simply reckless and irresponsible…There’s no way of being certain that by injecting large amounts of waste fluid that you won’t induce a moderate to large-scale earthquake”.

From Karen De Latour of Bring Change: “Wer’re thrilled (about the enquiry) but we’re still calling for a moratorium in seismically active Canterbury”.

From Bernie Napp, senior policy analyst for Straterra:
“Overall, I am disappointed and fascinated at the same time over how this debate has played out. Well meaning, intelligent yet unknowledgeable people have removed sanity and reason from the discussion.”

So, a good range of opinions from left, right and centre here.
Although I am anti fracking, especially in my own seismically active corner of the world, I think the whole thing is proceeding with common sense and caution, and good to see protest taking place by peaceful means.
(Free concert and peaceful protest at Clearwater Resort 28 April)

Gary, for information on magnetometer and other aspects of HAARP, visit HAARP homepage:
http://www.haarp alaska. edu/haarp/data.html

For HAARP magnetometer readings (assuming they’re not mysteriously “down” or showing the wrong dates!):
http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/scmag/latest-24h.html...

Bear in mind this is all “nothing sinister going on here folks” stuff.
If you want the conspiracy related stuff, just Google (or Duck Duck Go?) “HAARP magnetometer” and you’ll get information of all varieties coming out your screen!
(as usual, common sense thinking applies here.)

For a good look at the one of the awe-inspiring sea based SBX mobile radar facilities associated with HAARP technology,
http://cryptone.org/eyeball/sbx1-birdseye.htm

Or google “images for X band radar”

“mysteriously “down” or showing the wrong dates!):
http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/scmag/latest-24h.html…”

Yes Martin, I get a network error trying to access this page. WHAT ARE THEY HIDING FROM US?

Ooh

This is the sort of common sense that largely applies here at Uncensored. Really there is usually a perfectly innocent reason for a web site being down…

When you hear hoof beats in the night, think horses not unicorns.
OR in more appropriate terms,
When you see a web site down, think computer malfunction, not conspiricay.

AAAARGH! HAARP’s not accessable, maybe they’re trying to generate an Earthquake RIGHT NOW!!!!
But seriously, there are plenty of examples of HAARP magnetometer readings available. I seem to recall keywords “Stanford Research Ionospheric Heating Beam Painting” turning up some interesting pdf files.Youtube has some magnetometer chart readings and whatnot.
Last night I used words “HAARP phase conjugation” and, no surprise here, there’s screeds of stuff, but no sign of scholarly papers, lots of speculation and discussion about Scalar and weather modification.I’ll try “Ionospheric heating phase conjugation” and see if that unearths anything worthwhile.

f you doubt the US military is experimenting with the weather look up an old Naval document cleared for public release entitled “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather by 2025″. Although HAARP, aerosols and phase conjugation methods are not mentioned obviously, the general tone of the piece seems to be not so much “can we do this?” but more like “we can do this,even though it is technically illegal, and we’d like to do this, so why not?”

Gary, I just accessed the HAARP homepage by simply googling “HAARP” and clicking on the appropriate link.I couldn’t connect thru my link either due to systems error, however a quick glance at the homepage seems to show everything available (tech data, FAQ’s etc.) As I said, very comprehensive and informative but nothing controversial (although te Department of Defense and Naval Research warnings seem to contradict the “harmless civilian research” tone somewhat!)

When you hear hoof beats in the night, think horses not unicorns.
OR in more appropriate terms,
When you see a web site down, think computer malfunction, not conspiricay.
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That statement is the root of your problem Garry .. when you see a statement that you disagree with .. think ONE TRACK MIND .. and its not necessarily the espouser it could be mine.

Generation after Generation I have watched the bull poop flow .. and it is usually authority that turns the tap on, and at later dates the truth comes out. It always does .. but by then the blatant lie has become .. so another 6 pack and turn the TV on.

Generation after Generation we forget that politicians seem to be born liars. little cliques of funny people called Caucus .. who in secret determine the fate of Generations .. How often do you find this bunch of funny people repealing obviously bad law that they had passed and which represses those that vote them into power.

The FKN Fracking is also a conspiracy .. and I bet you Garry .. $5 to a sample of Randy Pandys shit .. that the fracking is going to go ahead .. I would not mind betting that the signatures are already on the contract.

People like you Garry have been summed up nicely .. for example here is an excellent example of how you appear ..

“Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running and robbing the country. That’s our problem.”:
Howard Zinn, from ‘Failure to Quit’

Yes yes Garry we know you found and example which has been attributed to someone else .. but that is not the point .. read it and see yourself in the bathroom mirror.

Ok guys,listen up!
Article in today’s press about how transpower are busy beefing up their transformer protection in readiness for peak solar activity looming. Biggest solar maximum in 50 years according to NASA.
So what’s this got to do with the debate over natural vs. manmade earthquakes? Everything!
Yet another example of seemingly unrelated subjects meshing together.
Back in the days of Stanford research Inst.’s poineering studies into the ionosphere on behalf of the US Navy (leeding to the HAARP project) they talked about the possible causes and indicators of earthquake activity.
What they discovered was echoed recently by Wellington based research scientist Dr. Neil Whitehead. “Many phenomena before and during earthquakes are linked to electromagnetic radiation produced by piezoelectric effects on minute quartz grains in rock.
These low frequency waves penetrate large thicknesses of rock and can exert their effects upon the surface.”
Dr. Whitehead spent 27 years with GNS and 4 years with the United Nations Atomic Energy agency so he should know what he is talking about.
Now, back in the 60′s and 70′s, the Stanford guys used a magnetometer to measure the radio frequencies being emitted when quartz releases its built up piezoelectric charge under tectonic strain. This is the same instrument being used by the HAARP institute and whose charts are being used by the conspiracy contingent to suggest that HAARP is generating earthquakes and wild weather.
HOWEVER, (and this is an important point) the magnetomer recieves and records data.From what source?
For the past couple of years, I have on a daily basis visited Iris World Seismic Monitor and Space Weather.com. I have observed the rapid buildup of solar activity, and the simultaneous increase in seismic activity here on Earth. There is a significant correlation here.
What concerns Transpower and other power companies worldwide, are the geomagnetically induced currents absorbed into the ground from solar radiation passing through the ionosphere (where it causes geomagnetic storms resulting in auroras & ionospheric heating)
So it logically follows, that qurtz grains in the ground are absorbing ever increasing doses of electromagnetic radiation.Sooner or later all this energy, which actually swells the quartz, has to be released.The low-frequently waves of this released electromagnetic energy generate a 2.5hz signature pulse. The same pulse that HAARP is supposedly using to generate man made quakes.
Now remember the HAARP magnetometer reads elf, vlf and ULF electromagnetic data and records it. But is HAARP generating this radioactivity, or interaction of solar energy with our ionosphere and crust?
In all the wealth of scholarly research I have waded through, I have yet to find any definitive proof that HAARP is actually being used to generate earthquakes or modify the weather. I have no doubt whatsoever that it CAN do so, at least in theory, but there is no firm evidence to prove it.
The HAARP charts being paraded before the masses as the “smoking gun” of artificial Quake generation theories, may be no more than a record of natural, albeit extraordinary events.
It may not even be simply a case of “either/or”, but some of both. As Ivor cottened on, some of these shallower quakes that occur away from the usual quake-prone areas, are indeed suspicious, especially as they seem to occur in the vacinity of underground military installations (take note how many of these quakes happen regularly in Alaska !)Also worthy of note are the unusual seismic-wave signature of these quakes, more akin to an underground nuclear explosion than your usual natural quake signature.(see Uncensored#26)
So the score so far: Mayans – 1
HAARP – 0
The magnetometer provides no proof of HAARP’s activities or capabilities. All we can do is speculate.

Talk about coincidences!
Check out Scott’s latest post!

Getting back to the Blue Beam thingy, has anyone heard of Rik Clay? Apparently another “victim” of the NWO, Rik was a regular to the David Icke site (Home of barking-mad ultra paranoids) He specialized in revelations about the Blue Beam plan for 2012 and deciphered every company logo in existence as having deep esoteric NWO-relevant symbolism. Then in 2008 he stopped posting and apparently dropped out of existence (just as he was about to make a “bombshell” revelation, of course.)
Then a post on the Icke site, allegedly from Rik’s parents, claimed that he had committed suicide.That’s all I know of the matter at this stage, but it looks from the number of youtube segments on the subject that there’s another Blue Beam story in the making here. Typing this has jogged my memory about something from years ago. Another person who dropped dead just as they were about to reveal the “truth” about something…let’s see…Steve Curry I think? Time to visit uncle Google again. I’ll be back.

Oh yeah! Steve Curry. This is a beauty!
The guy who was so intrigued by the old “hollow Earth” theory that he hired a nuclear icebreaker ship to sail to the North Pole to find out for himself!He was advertising tickets for sale for 18 grand apiece if cared to join him.
This healthy young fellow (you guessed it) dropped dead of a brain tumour (not so healthy, then…)only days out from the supposed sailing date. All monies returned to those who bought tickets and trip cancelled.
A look on Google shows, incredibly, that some other nutter has picked up the torch and the trip is back on! Hope they don’t fall through the big hole when they get to the pole!!!

Calling Garry .. calling Garry .. here Fido good boy Fido .. suppers on the table boy.

http://naturalsociety.com/the-dangerous-truth-behind-microwaves/

HaaaHaaaHaaa!
Actually Ivor he’s still occupied with the solar/earthquake thing on Scotty’s new post. Unfortunately he shot himself in the foot by providing earthquake archive data that correlated with solar activity nicely.Couldn’t connect to your link re. microwaves/server error, but I’ve read plenty of bad press about microwaves over the years.

Found a really top notch article on HAARP, how it works, history etc.
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-08/mf_haarp?currentPage=all

Getting into the article now .. but looking at one of those charts .. $33 million for HAARP ? Surely that would only buy lunch for the Beehive for a year ??

Checked the microwave link .. seems ok to me

Going back to remote viewing, psychic powers etc. here’s a nice pdf file for Gary to chew on:
http://www.awakening-intuition.com/INTUITION_WHAT_SCIENCE_SAYS_SO_FAR_ABOUT

This is a cut n paste from the ‘wired’ article ..

Marconi used the ionosphere, unwittingly, to reflect and carry radio signals; Haarp can stimulate the ionosphere to create anything from direct current to visible light, spanning 15 orders of magnitude on the electromagnetic spectrum. “The science used to be purely observational, with no knobs to turn,”

Well all I can say is wow .. using a skywave (dipole) aerial we used to communicate with a rear base 250 miles away and this using 0.5 Watt .. and on 500 Watt we could communicate from NI to Canada and we thought that was cool.

My feeling Martin is … the article is a plant .. just enough information to appeal to the Skep Dicks of the world .. pooh pooh yah boo stoopid fools sort of stuff.

But we have already seen it in that X band radar that is floated around the oceans and if they can steer and tilt an electro magnetic lense well well ..

That 500 watt I was using to communicate with Canada blew me off the top of a 3 meter high Comms Vehicle when it was transmitting from a 32 foot vertical aerial .. the power that is being used with HAARP is phenomenal and must also interact in some way with the Earths own magnetic field.

That wired article is a diversion.

“….spanning 15 orders of magnitude on the electromagnetic spectrum. …..”

Ivor, for the non scientists amongst us could you please explain what is meant by that?

Martin, I went to your psychic page and got this…”PAGE NOT FOUND
Sorry, the page you requested does not exist or has been moved.
Please check to make sure that the URL you entered is correct.”

Looks like the Internet is being skeptical about the existence of that page. Maybe I should use my transcendental meditation training to travel to the page in my non physical spirit body.

Skepticism is about examining claims, not opposing them. As explained, skeptics will doubt claims until they can be scrutinised; this, however, is the correct way to deal with new claims. There’s no logical reason to accept or reject a claim before it has been examined – hence the suspension of judgement.

Of course skeptics do oppose many claims, such as many involving the paranormal and pseudoscience; this is not simply an automatic opposition to such claims however, it’s because such claims have been examined and the supporting evidence does not stand up to scrutiny.

Skeptics are debunkers.

Bunk is another word for nonsense and means the opposite of something that is true or factual. To debunk something means to remove the nonsense from it and reveal what is true. Skepticism is not about debunking per se, but debunking is a consequence of critical inquiry. In fact, contrary to popular understanding, the best way of showing that something is true is that it can resist attempts to prove it false: attempting to prove something false is a robust way of testing its validity.

The misconception here is not that skeptics sometimes end up debunking claims; but that the word ‘debunker’ is often used as a pejorative term. Debunking nonsense ideas, scams, hoaxes and misleading claims is of positive, not negative, value.

It should be made clear, however, that skeptics do not set out with the purpose of debunking claims (i.e. holding a preconceived and unjustified position of a claim’s falsity). Some claims will simply end up being debunked as a consequence of skeptical inquiry. That’s an important distinction to understand.
Summary.

Skepticism is a methodology, not a position on matters. It is a way of examining claims and making decisions. The idea is to apply the rules of logic and reason with critical thinking skills in assessing claims or issues and to form conclusions based on evidence, not on personal preference or prejudice.

These methods make it more likely that those who use skepticism will reach correct conclusions on issues; which, of course, can be of great benefit in all walks of life: personal, business, health matters, recognising scams and misleading claims, finance, etc.

Garry everything has a frequency including light .. so everything is a vibration that we utilize for different purposes .. we normally use the electromagnetic spectrum for communications .. a magnitude in this respect means one thousand e.g. 1 is the baseline .. a magnitude is 1000 .. so what they are saying is a great big chunk of the spectrum .. another example .. Microwave ovens utilize a little chunk of the spectrum.

This is from Wikipedia ..
Orders of magnitude (magnetic field)
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List of orders of magnitude for magnetic fields

Gary what your cut and paste amounts to is self serving tripe ..

For example a cut and paste from your cut and paste ..

Of course skeptics do oppose many claims, such as many involving the paranormal and pseudoscience; this is not simply an automatic opposition to such claims however, it’s because such claims have been examined and the supporting evidence does not stand up to scrutiny.

Your camp does not know how to measure a phenomenon of which the members also obviously have no knowledge ..

Just like a remote Indian tribe that have no knowledge of the majority of our devices and which would appear to them as magic because they have no knowledge of what they see or hear.

You have been pointed to instances where the military and the security services have been utilizing some of these matters even though they do no know how they work .. but they do.

The skep dicks are a paid bunch of gods knows what .. just like the medic dicks who have a position to maintain .. You do not have the slightest idea of how you are governed or for what purpose ..

Well continue to sleep deeply Garry because it is highly possible that you would not be able to handle the truth ..

“You have been pointed to instances where the military and the security services have been utilizing some of these matters even though they do no know how they work .. but they do”

Really Ivor? And your evidence for this claim is?

“Your camp does not know how to measure a phenomenon of which the members also obviously have no knowledge ..
”

Tell us then, oh wise one, how do you measure a paranormal phenomenon?

( chuckle chuckle, this will be good. Lots of ‘good vibrations ‘ coming soon from ole Igor.)

Thanks for your insights on the HAARP article Ivor, and I agree it takes a very “conservative” stance on what the naughty boys of the US Navy are up to, but I thought it was still a pretty good “potted history” of the project for anyone unfamiliar with the basics.
Gary, its a pity my link has “dematerialized” (into the spirit world maybe?) as it kinda answered your question about the Military and intelligence agencies utilizing remote viewing etc, and the attempts to measure and quantify. What Ivor says is correct, except maybe about measuring psychic phenomena. That’s a tough one to back up! Good luck Ivor…
I’ll be back later with some startling and amazing new Blue Beam revelations (with tongue planted firmly in cheek!). Thats if I don’t “disappear” mysterously in the meantime.

Garry .. the military in all of its manifestations are a really hard hatted lot .. the only thing they spend money on is things that can or potentially kill people .. oh and let me not forget the excuse to kill people .. Intelligence they call it lol. Seems like they are still doing it .. they must be getting a return on the money.

Garry .. I do not know how to measure paranormal experiences, except the hairs on the back of my neck prickle and the top of my scalp goes cold.

Let me tell you a ghost story. Time 1945 .. place Cheshire. My Mother took me to visit her Sister .. it was circa 8pm and I had been left alone in the front room of the house whilst the elders were chatting in the kitchen.

I was staring into the fire when I became aware of someone standing at the fire place elbow on the mantelpiece and smoking a pipe and smiling at me .. it was like everything was normal .. no fear .. then I realised and looked up quickly .. no one there.

I ran into the kitchen and explained what I had seen .. a man in an RAF uniform smoking a pipe.

My Aunt took me back to the front room and pulled a black cloth off a photograph .. was it this man ? she asked .. yes Aunt that was the man .. that is your Uncle Ted he was an air gunner and never came back that was a year ago.

She folded the cloth and put it into a drawer .. kissed the photograph and straightened it on the mantelpiece.

It was never spoken of again or at least in my hearing.

Martin .. yes its as though something else is being hidden .. lol of course it is .. sort of throw the dogs a bone and that keeps em busy squabbling amongst themselves.

Those sea borne arrays .. I bet they have mobile land based arrays .. with prefabricated parts and trained manpower .. should not be a problem for them.

Thank heavens that the Yanks are not the only ones to possess them.

Ivor, I have a truckload of personal experience with the supernatural, and some amazing tales to tell (I can sense Gary gnashing his teeth!)
Re. HAARP arraays there are plenty of fixed ones (like the one at Birdlings Flat here in Canterbury)
And I have recently seen examples on the net, of small, truck-based Phase-conjugate beam weapon platforms for battlefield use.
Back soon.

Ivor’s ghost story explains a lot about Ivor’s brain ‘functioning’.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread671064/pg1

”
Something that is less well know though is that literally anyone can have one of these seizures at any time, it may only happen once in your life and you may not even notice when you have one. “

I repeat….

“You have been pointed to instances where the military and the security services have been utilizing some of these matters even though they do no know how they work .. but they do”

Really Ivor? And your evidence for this claim is?

Faith in the intelligence of the Military is not evidence … It is just faith and not worth a pinch of shit as evidence.

Gary .. and your evidence that TLE is a genuine mental problem .. and not just another medical kaaching kaaching ??

Personally I do not think the military land sea or air are that smart .. its a sort of monomania about killing people .. and I am sure that if you went to a restaurant on a daily basis and had to pay for a meal that you never and continued to do that then perhaps I may consider that you were even more mental than I thought you were.

When one has a paranormal experience there tends to be a bout of self questioning .. you know the sort of stuff (or perhaps you do not) however there were many things in that experience that were unexplainable to me.

So, when you boys have finished insulting each other, here’s something to ponder. Dim the lights, cue the theme from “The X Files”.
Have you noticed all the Blue stuff lately? Bluetooth, Blu-Ray…and now, that popular energy drink, V. I saw it on a billboard first: the shiny blue tin with blue beams emanating from it, oooohh!
So this morning at the supermarket (where we worship mass-consumerism weekly) I had a look at a can of aforementioned product. “What does blue taste like?” and “mysterious Blue flavour” the blurb said,”the flavour you don’t know,and love”.
Woah! What’s in this stuff? gotta be something sinister for sure….

Then I get a visit from the Jehovah’s witnesses. Well, at least they’re smartly dressed and polite, and they didn’t try to ram their beliefs down my throat, so I took their pamphlet and wished them a nice day. As I’m well familiar with their take on Christianity I usually chuck their stuff in the recycle bin without a second thought.
But something caught my attention.
Three images of “Jesus” :
A baby in a manger with rather caucasian features, a guy who looked like Leonardo da Vinci nailed to a crucifix, and a grey haired fellow, about 50ft. tall, floating in the sky before an awestruck audience, dressed in gold and bedecked with a golden crown and sceptre!
Now, bieng familiar with the teachings of Jesus, I recognised all 3 characters.Only 2 represent the man in question (albeit in idealized form). Jesus was rather strongly and pointedly opposed to the trappings and finery of material wealth, or Bling in modern vernacular. The third figure is the “false christ”, the Maitreya of Project Blue Beam! Here he is bold as brass, in all his phoney holographic glory, on a JW pamphlet!He’s even sending out rays out blue light, the cheeky bugger.
According to the blurb on this publication, it is “later” than I think. Oh, really? Yes, i am informed that I should attend a discourse at the Elmwood Normal School (normal??) as “part of a wordwide effort to reach out to all those who love Jesus.”
To lead them astray? To attempt to convince them that judgement day is at hand? Needless to say I will not be attending to find out…
Whole thing reeks of the Blue Beam master plan if you ask me.

Wot ? and not a HAARP in sight ?

Ivor wrote, “however there were many things in that experience that were unexplainable to me.”

I’m sure there were. Your posts here prove that it is very difficult to explain many things to you.

Still waiting for any evidence for your paranormal military claims. Or is it all too top secret for the likes of me?

SOLAR CYCLES AND EARTHS WEAKENING MAGNETIC FIELD

The emerging Solar Cycle 24, combined
with our planet’s declining magnetic
field, may have severe consequences for
Earth in terms of climate, electricity
grid systems and human behaviour.

Could cycles of war and peace be tied to cycles of the
Sun? Some researchers claim that geomagnetic
storms affect brain waves and hormone levels, causing
a number of different reactions, predominately in
males. While a few women may also experience
changes during these storms, they generally seem less
affected by the Sun’s behaviour. Reacting to changing
hormone levels, some men may become increasingly
irritable and aggressive, while others may instead
become more creative.
An increase in solar activity is found to increase
psychotic episodes in individuals who already suffer
from unstable psychological states. While we might
relate such behaviour to a full moon, in 1963 Dr Robert
Becker and his colleague, Dr Howard Friedman,
demonstrated that solar changes also lead to a
noticeable increase in psychotic activity. Yet these
reactions are not simply isolated to a few particularly
sensitive or unlucky individuals.
Evidence indicates that wars and international
conflicts most often break out when sunspots are
rapidly forming or rapidly decaying,
as these are times when there are
more intense geomagnetic storms.
In addition, this increase in solar
activity correlates to periods of
more accidents and illness as well
as an increase in crimes and
murders. The entire biosphere is
affected by this electromagnetic
pollution, and human behaviour
seems to react accordingly.
Not all geomagnetic storms are
disruptive. But over time, these
extremes in solar activity may also
affect periods of Earthly conflict.
The data on cycles of war and peace
extend back at least 2,500 years.
As early as 1915, some scientists
were beginning to recognise
connections between solar activity
and human behaviour. This work
began with Russian scientist

Alexander Chizhevsky, who observed a correlation
between mass changes in human behaviour and
sunspot cycles.
In the 1930s, Professor Raymond Wheeler, an
historian at the University of Kansas, took this
observation one step further. His research afforded
numerical rankings to the severity of individual battles
correlating to solar cycles. His data was statistically
analysed by Edward Dewey, who validated the
existence of these war cycles. Yet he was unable to
make a definite connection with sunspot cycles
because the data at that time was insufficient. In the
1980s, with a more detailed analysis of Wheeler’s data,
the connection became clear.
Upon close examination of the data, it appears that
we are beginning to discover a pattern
emerging where wars are most likely
to start at key points of the sunspot
cycle. These are when geomagnetic
activity is changing most rapidly on
the upsurge of solar activity or on the
downward part of the cycle when
sunspots are rapidly diminishing. In
addition, we can see how this
adversely affects physiological
mechanisms such as brain rhythms
and hormonal levels.
In other words, wars could be a kind
of mass psychosis. When we see
the connection to physical
mechanisms (such as
electromagnetic pollution), this
gives us some predictive insight
into when increased aggressions
are likely to start. Calculations
indicate that we’re due to see
another rise in intense solar
activity in less than two years’
time, around 22 September 2010.
NASA predicts that this activity will peak
in 2012

http://www.nexusmagazine.com

Garry the man whose brain density recorded the highest SG ever found in biological tissue.

http://tinyurl.com/7ngkqb3

An old woman appeared to me in a dream last night. She said “tell Ivor I forgive him for sneaking a look under the black cloth over Uncle Ted’s photo.” She went on to say that Ivor was normally a very good little boy but prone to imagining things.

Could this have been a visit from the spirit world?

Regarding Russian “science” …. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

Have you ever owned a russian car Ivor?
Good was it?

Have you many examples of these Russian mouse esp experiments being reproduced? Do you have independent reviews of the research?

Without independent reproduction of the results in properly designed experiments I must remain skeptical on the subject.

You do understand what skeptical means by now Ivor?

“You do understand what skeptical means by now ?”

Does it mean ‘Not Having An Open Mind’ ?

Sorry, I’m not trying to be rude about it.

I just think that – since no-ones born knowing everything and no one dies knowing everything

and everyone knows that some people often feel they have to hide their behaviour from others

– either for reasons of self-profit maximisation ( often pursued by any and all means necessary )

– or simply : ‘if more people knew what they were up to

they wouldn’t be able to get away with whatever it is that they are trying to get away with.’

You know, ‘Top Secret’ stuff. ‘High-Level Clearance’ things.

So to then expect that the only evil things going on in the world that are believable

- are those written about and published in western peer reviewed journals …

I don’t think so.

Oh, I see. If there is no evidence it is because it is being suppressed by the conspiracy.

Sorry, I forgot about that. Silly me.

Oh, I see. If there is no evidence it is because it is being suppressed by the conspiracy.

Sorry, I forgot about that. Silly me.

Opps, damn that autofill.

Being skeptical is not having a mind so open your brain falls out.

Fair comment.

I’m not talking about being so open minded that one believes absolutely everything

I’m talking about being so closed-minded to the degree that one doesn’t believe anything.

Personally, I don’t like to discount stuff out-of-hand straight away

I kind of store it in the back of my mind in case something comes along later that verifies it –

either as true, false, a psy-op, or ‘There’s something in that and more info is required to know either way’

Garry .. you are totally crass. You are the original back blocks red neck. The mind so narrow its not possible to hammer a wedge home.

I never knew my uncle so it was not possible to share with my aunt the depth of her bereavement, and you .. you little shit box piss on the graves of the dead.

SOLAR CYCLES AND EARTHS WEAKENING MAGNETIC FIELD

The emerging Solar Cycle 24, combined
with our planet’s declining magnetic
field, may have severe consequences for
Earth in terms of climate, electricity
grid systems and human behaviour.

Could cycles of war and peace be tied to cycles of the
Sun? Some researchers claim that geomagnetic
storms affect brain waves and hormone levels, causing
a number of different reactions, predominately in
males. While a few women may also experience
changes during these storms, they generally seem less
affected by the Sun’s behaviour. Reacting to changing
hormone levels, some men may become increasingly
irritable and aggressive, while others may instead
become more creative.
An increase in solar activity is found to increase
psychotic episodes in individuals who already suffer
from unstable psychological states. While we might
relate such behaviour to a full moon, in 1963 Dr Robert
Becker and his colleague, Dr Howard Friedman,
demonstrated that solar changes also lead to a
noticeable increase in psychotic activity. Yet these
reactions are not simply isolated to a few particularly
sensitive or unlucky individuals.
Evidence indicates that wars and international
conflicts most often break out when sunspots are
rapidly forming or rapidly decaying,
as these are times when there are
more intense geomagnetic storms.
In addition, this increase in solar
activity correlates to periods of
more accidents and illness as well
as an increase in crimes and
murders. The entire biosphere is
affected by this electromagnetic
pollution, and human behaviour
seems to react accordingly.
Not all geomagnetic storms are
disruptive. But over time, these
extremes in solar activity may also
affect periods of Earthly conflict.
The data on cycles of war and peace
extend back at least 2,500 years.
As early as 1915, some scientists
were beginning to recognise
connections between solar activity
and human behaviour. This work
began with Russian scientist

Alexander Chizhevsky, who observed a correlation
between mass changes in human behaviour and
sunspot cycles.
In the 1930s, Professor Raymond Wheeler, an
historian at the University of Kansas, took this
observation one step further. His research afforded
numerical rankings to the severity of individual battles
correlating to solar cycles. His data was statistically
analysed by Edward Dewey, who validated the
existence of these war cycles. Yet he was unable to
make a definite connection with sunspot cycles
because the data at that time was insufficient. In the
1980s, with a more detailed analysis of Wheeler’s data,
the connection became clear.
Upon close examination of the data, it appears that
we are beginning to discover a pattern
emerging where wars are most likely
to start at key points of the sunspot
cycle. These are when geomagnetic
activity is changing most rapidly on
the upsurge of solar activity or on the
downward part of the cycle when
sunspots are rapidly diminishing. In
addition, we can see how this
adversely affects physiological
mechanisms such as brain rhythms
and hormonal levels.
In other words, wars could be a kind
of mass psychosis. When we see
the connection to physical
mechanisms (such as
electromagnetic pollution), this
gives us some predictive insight
into when increased aggressions
are likely to start. Calculations
indicate that we’re due to see
another rise in intense solar
activity in less than two years’
time, around 22 September 2010.
NASA predicts that this activity will peak
in 2012

Thanks Ivor, this is exactly what,s going on, I’ve seen some interesting comparisons between solar max/min. and the rise and fall of civilisations, see for instance Maurice Cotterel, and his work on Mayan cosmology.

“I’m not talking about being so open minded that one believes absolutely everything

I’m talking about being so closed-minded to the degree that one doesn’t believe anything.

Personally, I don’t like to discount stuff out-of-hand straight away

I kind of store it in the back of my mind in case something comes along later that verifies it –

either as true, false, a psy-op, or ‘There’s something in that and more info is required to know either way’”

That sounds like a reasonable definition of a skeptic.

Sounds like healthy skeptism, open-minded. As opposed to deciding something is a load of B.S. BEFORE they’ve done any research, like someone I know. Eh Gary ?

Anyone know what’s going on in the skies over wellington tonight ?
I heard something about a UFO.

Ivor, don’t let Gary get to you,man.
Take deep breaths.
Actually I thought it quite funny to see Gary has cloned an evil twin. I can picture dual sterophonic science-nazis, ranting and screeching from the balcony while armies of brainwashed NWO drones march past in goose-step chanting “Science knows everything, there is no mystery…”
Funny, yes? Embrace the laughter…calm your mind…feeling better now Ivor?
Every time Gary gets you hot under the collar, think funny.

Yo Martin ..
you are right .. but I did not know who he was .. dressed in a different persona ..

I know who he is now, in spite this role he plays. He is Neo,s fall back guy .. yes I understand .. and honestly I have been shocked more than angry .. thank you for your advice.

“Actually I thought it quite funny to see Gary has cloned an evil twin. ”
WTF are you on about now Martin? You are beginning to sound as addled as poor ole Ivor.

Please explain this “evil twin” hypothesis of yours.

““Science knows everything, there is no mystery…””

Come on Martin, you know that science is all about finding out about stuff. It’s the religious certainty of the likes of homeopathy proponents that denies the mystery. Science loves a mystery. It is by studying the mysteries that science progresses. The nature of the air we breathe was once a mystery.

What has been on my mind .. the dipole (sky wave) aerial was made from strong breaking strain copper we would cut it to the quarter wavelength or a half wavelength of the ordered frequency .. we also tried to get a multiple of height relating to the horizontal aerial.

Beneath that would be a ground reflecting mat to help amplify the incoming or out going signal .. and 400km on 0.5 of a watt .. we thought it was cool .. we would also have what are called skywave maps .. these are advanced forecasts for the coming month .. these guys were ambitious.

Mapped in a similar forecast for each following day one got an idea of the swirling mass of electro magnetic forces and which hours were best to establish contact with base (atoms in another universe)

Yes HAARP is a very dangerous misuse of the planets magnetosphere .. so back to the earth mats .. perhaps it may be too difficult to drill without electromagnetic protection .. apparently this is what the yanks were doing at that Ozz HAARP no ground mat .. I wonder .. is there a connection?

Maybe it could be an utter manic and reckless disregard for human life in pursuit of Corporate aims.

Gee Garry that pomposity is a great Opera Scene .. similar to the Pirates of Penzance ..

But I confess to feeling thats not Garry lol .. gee I bet he has gone and got himself kidnapped again and the pirates are telling him what to say .. well as far as I am concerned .. not a single penny not even a half penny ..

The sooner they have their evil way with him .. get tired of feeding him and then sending him home .. sigh!

Ivor wrote, “Yes HAARP is a very dangerous misuse of the planets magnetosphere .. so back to the earth mats .. perhaps it may be too difficult to drill without electromagnetic protection .. ”

What part of the electromagnetic spectrum would this protection be designed for?

Gary the types of aerial used were omni-directional because of the frequency used .. the mats were used to reflect the signal skywards instead of being absorbed by the earth ..

The explosion in the facility in Australia was down inside a hole which would have been taking a full power transmission directly into the earth .. the frequency and power used would have been sufficient to cause an earthquake or an explosion .. a different form of Fracking.

And what frequency was that?

Ivor, what frequency of electromagnetic radiation is necessary to cause earthquakes? And how do you know this to be so?

Hello boys. “there is no mystery”.
Joking Gary.You know. Humour.
Seemed like you & Ivor were shaping up for the battle of the century while my back was turned.
“Evil twin” referred to the posts by one Mr. sciencebasedmedicine. And no, I don’t really think you are a “science nazi”(though Ivor might disagree!). It was just an amusing image that entered my warped imagination.
I’ll be back with something on EM radiation/ earthquakes shortly.
Oh, by the way it was a meteorite that was seen over Chch & welly last night.

OK I now this question was to Ivor, and he may know more than I,but the earthquake frequency supposedly utilised by HAARP is 2.5 Hz ULF.Yahoo Answers says that yes, 2.5 Hz will cause objects to vibrate, but require tremendous amounts of power to generate an earthquake. As I’ve already pointed out, earthquakes are generally preceded by a naturally emmited 2.5 Hz emission for days or even weeks in advance.
http://www.geofisica.cl/tempo/mix/Actualidad_19.html
(A treasure trove of earthquake and fracking research, and geology in general.)
If HAARP,s magnetometer is showing this 2.5Hz pulse (as was the case with Fukushima) conspiracy fans will tend to assume that HAARP is therefore emmitting this energy. Sure, it could be, but it could also be reading natural emmissions.
It adds fuel to the fire when the HAARP institute subsequently makes its magnetometer charts unavailable!
Hence we do not yet have the hard evidence to prove for certain that HAARP is causing earthquakes.
IF (take note “if”) HAARP is generating some of these more unusual quakes we’ve been discussing, then 2.5 Hz would, logically, be the frequency used.
Much is also made of the distinctive rippled clouds that often precede a quake. Again a 2.5 Hz emmission could certainly cause standing wave effects in a layer of cloud.

Mag 4 quake in Oklahoma today making news in the US media.
Where is the North Island shake that Solar watcher forecasted? Or the Chilean one?….or the Kobe one…hello…hello…calling solar watcher! you’re letting me down, and Gary is waiting to pounce…Not that I wish an Earthquake on anyone, mind you.

Well I do recall that when Tesla did one experiment he dimmed the lights in a nearby town, such was the draw down of power to run the experiment.

I can also see no reason why they do not have charts depicting what is happening with the Earths Magnetic Field .. run those through a computer with some relevant skywave charts .. Leaves much room for some jiggery pokery.

These photo,s of the land based arrays .. an acre or maybe more, of dipole aerials .. I do not feel can be accurate to any great degree because of the changing nature of the Ionesphere .. it changes many times in a 24 hour period.

But I do believe that those arrays can charge an irregular slice of a layer of the Ionosphere so that at least they would know that it was over a particular country and that is where I find those seaborne rigs fit in .. Those domes could carry more than one parabolic antennae or even very small rods.

That steerable lense you spoke of .. perhaps the fixed array land establishments create a particular excitement of ions which makes it amenable to the creation of the lense or plasma parabole .. being steerable then makes location not so much of a problem .. in terms of power ..what about those great turbines that light and supply power for an aircraft (Nuclear)carrier ? Lot of energy there .. sufficient for a reasonable sized town.

Ah I am shooting of all over the place .. I need to sit and think more about it.

Martin, that was me as Mr. Sciencebasedmedicine. I had noticed that you can enter a URL as your name so I did. Hope you clicked on it and learned something from the link.

Here is another …

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/alternative-medicine-crackdown-20120313-1uyiw.html

Regards,
Gary

Sorry to set off another conspiracy theory.

As there are always one or two very big earthquakes somewhere on the planet each year it won’t be long before the sun spot watchers will be ‘proved right’.
First rule of pseudoscience … remember the hits , forget the misses.

First rule of Garry pseudosciencpissed … remember the the misses forget the hits

Ah, You’ve learned a new trick Gary.
So the saying about old dogs isn’t true after all then.

Ivor, re. your speculations on HAARP, based on the pdf files I’ve wdad through I’d say you’re kinda on the right track with your thinking. About the size of the arrays, one of the HAARP guys published a lengthy thesis on “beam painting”, which allows an array to heat up quite sizeable portion of the ionosphere. I’ll try and find the link for you.
Also those “plasma layer steerable mirror” thingies they create, I gather these are used for directing the reflected energy around….wow..just watching news on TV, the tornadoes in Texas tossing 18-wheelers around like toys.
If you look on the HAARP Alaska homepage they show a diagram of the array “beaming” to sattelites, aircraft, and the ground, so I guess they’ve got plenty of options.

Ivor, here’s some good stuff:

http://vlf.stanford.edu/research/experiments-haarp-ionospheric-heater

Lots of new stuff. Take a look at the study on lightning/sprites.

T.R. Pederson, Nov. 2011.
Space Vehicles Directorate, Air Force Res. Lab. Hanscom Air Force Base, MA, USA:

“Artificial ionospheric plasmas are formed on the bottom side of natural ionospheric F-region during high power, high frequency heating experiments…Optical emissions produced during these events often exhibit bulls-eye structures, where the artificial plasma is thought to form a central spot that diverts or blocks HF waves…in some cases, both spot and ring represent distinct artificial plasma layers.”

Source IEEE.org.

Got that? Good.
NOW WATCH THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jp-VfxfVNA&feature=related

I remember seeing seeing these images in The Press last year. Dr Whitehead described them as “earthquake lights”. I reckon this is HAARP in action.

Those damned coincidences!
Just yesterday I posted a link to Stanford’s HAARP website and suggested that the new paper on sprite-lightning research was worth a look. Today I get on Space Weather.com, and there’s an article on sprites, saying that “sprite season” has mysteriously started 2-3 months early this year. A connection with HAARP?

Argh ! We’re all doomed! I’ve got a touch of the dooms.

No Martin, it’s all caused by the cell towers, the microwave ovens and the French nuclear tests. ( you didn’t really think they had stopped I’d you? )

Righty ho, Gary, spoken like a true paranoid conspiracy theorist. lol.
I’d like to see you explain how cell phones, microwave ovens and big explosions smelling of garlic, are all combining to make sprite lightning season arrive early!
Please provide links, graphs, pie charts and all applicable peer-reviewed scientific data to back up your assertion. Should have it all done in a jiffy on your new Y-Sprog thingy.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA515141

http://www.ursi.org/proceedings/procGA11/ursi/HG4-2.pdf

Gravity waves?
Optical ring formations?
Scramjet plasma igniters?
Metallic particle enhancement?
HIPAS fairbanks ionospheric heater?
SPEAR European ionospheric heater?

Thanks TD Pederson, you’re a goldmine of information!

I’ve also seen enough info. on these “ring formations” (didn’t bother posting links, google it if you’re keen.) to be fairly confident that it seems to be a good explanation for the phenomena seen over east Christchurch as per the link I provided.

“I’d like to see you explain how cell phones, microwave ovens and big explosions smelling of garlic, are all combining to make sprite lightning season arrive early!
Please provide links, graphs, pie charts and all applicable peer-reviewed scientific data to back up your assertion. Should have it all done in a jiffy on your new Y-Sprog thingy.”

It’s all to do with quantum physics Martin. Interactions with the chi and such like. Too complex to go into here.

Yes I have an iPad. Get over it. It was a birthday present last year. True, they are desirable enough to make Ivor jealous, but they are not that expensive. So instead of being envious, just go out and get one. Sure beats lugging a laptop around and is much cheaper.

Quantum physics is extraordinary stuff. Amazing what those little quanta get up to. But did they kill Schroedinger’s cat? I asked Heisenberg but He’s uncertain.
Buy an I-Phone, hell Gary, I haven’t even got a cellphone! It’s a wonder I can operate this keyboard. I’m an old-school guy who likes tinkering with old machinery, and I read books made of paper, not liquid crystal. I dunno, you young ‘uns and yer fancy toys.

Gee whiz Garry got his quanta in a pizzle .. I knew no good would come from those strange gadgets ..

Catch Garry quick nurse .. make sure he has his daily needle of pharma cosheroo specially made for thicko,s.

No no Garry, thats not Schroedinger’s cat hiding under the de luxe model straight jacket.

Nurse get that needle into him immediately.

I may carry 50 books around with me in my iPad but I also have one room of my house devoted to reading with bookshelves covering most of all four walls. Then there are the bookcases in all the bedrooms and the floor to ceiling one in the living area. But no matter how many book cases I build, there always seem to be more books than shelf space.

As for old machinery, I use an old cast iron Morrison hand mower and make my own recumbent bicycles. The recumbent design was very popular in the 1930′s but killed of by the French ban on using the design in cycle racing.

However, I am open to new technology if it does a better job. Cell phones mean I can keep in touch with my family easily. The iPad means I can access the web without inconveniencing those wanting to use the iMac. The digital camera means I take more and better photos than I ever did with film cameras. The microwave makes nice porridge without that horrible sticky pot to clean afterwards. ( not a problem for Ivor as I am sure his wife does all his cleaning and dishes for him). It also defrosts a chicken quickly.

Some old machinery is still the best for certain jobs. Some of it is of value just because of its style and intricate cleverness. Perhaps this is why I wear a self winding clockwork watch. It keeps time to within 5 seconds a day which I find adequate.

So you see, you really know fuck all about me.
I could go on and on but lunch is ready and I really can’t be bothered justifying myself to a bunch of faith based Luddites.

Wow .. could Garry be human after all .. does he have that little tiny sparkle of human striving?

Garry warry .. not sure what books and roomfuls of them have to do with FKN Fracking in CHCH .. but take the word of an old man .. I once had the library bug .. My wife used to complain like a cart horse being knackered.

They aint no good until ya read em ! and whatever books you have read they do not speak very highly for your comprehension ..

The sort of dog eat dog stuff only comes back in economic recessions .. do you know something that we do not?..

Everything is knackered Garry .. its stuffed .. and when the Usury shit has sunk to the bottom of the containment chambers in Japan .. the sooner we are going to be rid of a great cancerous tumor upon the global social body.

No more medical control system and some kind of control on nutters like you who try to double knacker everyone .. you keep on blathering about science as opposed to common sense and look what we have done ! just look at what we have done!

And Garry .. I know everything about you .. that I need to know to keep my family safe .. just take a look at some of the blithering and blaring posts you have made .. Gee come back Stalin we have a revisionist in our midst ..

Sorry Martin the bug has to be zapped where it lands.

“Everything is knackered ”
There are depressed old codgers saying that every generation. Sad.

You prefer common sense to science. Ok then, back to the flat earth then for you.

And my wife won’t be complaining about the books because she bought most of them.

Usury. If you don’t like it then bugger off to an Islamic state.

Guys! Come on, simmer down, I’m only joking about the techno thing!
As for recumbents, I’ve built one myself, amongst various other pedal-powered oddities. Bicycles and hot rods are my main hobbies outside the world of mysteries and conspiracies.Yes, I’m technologically challenged, but not really stuck in the past. Nicky uses an E-Reader and it is a wondrous thing to be sure.

Guys! Come on, simmer down, I’m only joking about the techno thing!
As for recumbents, I’ve built one myself, amongst various other pedal-powered oddities. Bicycles and hot rods are my main hobbies outside the world of mysteries and conspiracies.Yes, I’m technologically challenged, but not really stuck in the past. Nicky uses an E-Reader and it is a wondrous thing to be sure.
Now, can we get back to the man-made quake subject. Anyone checked out my recent links re. HAARP?

No. Bored.It’s obvious to any anti vaccer that the earthquakes are caused by the lizard masters through the cell phone tower network. It’s all done by vibration resonance and differential quantum fluctuations.
Be seeing you.

Gary’s bored (or unable to refute my latest findings?).
Think he needs to guzzle down a can of the new “V” with the mysterious “blue” flavour.Helps enhance the mind-control power of the nanobots in one’s brain, y’know.

Speaking of Blue Beam, (and in the spirit of this religious holiday), it’s a good time to reflect upon the genius of Emperor Constantine.
Rome had united all the nations politically, but their religious faith was divided. Constantine’s master plan was to fake a vision of a glowing sheild in the sky, bearing the sign of the crucifix. Upon seeing this wondrous sign, Constantine was “converted” and utilised a minor cult called Christianity to create a “universal church of Rome”. Following the Council of Nicea, Jesus, the Christian prophet, was given a divine makeover to make him more appealing to the masses.
Even better, one could continue to worship at the same temple as always, but your favoured Deity would be thinly disguised as a christian saint. All this was done without altering the basic teachings of Jesus. After all, it was the message of universal peace and love that Constantine needed to keep his empire under control.

As history shows, however, the message of peace lasted, oh, about 3 milliseconds. Corrupt Popes created a corrupt church, greedy and hypocritical.

Now, the UN, via the Lucis trust, and the US, both wish to bring about changes to initiate a new “universal church” under political control. A repeat of Constantine’s stunt. Peace and harmony for all humankind?
Or just a case of history repeating?

Told you I was a heretic.
Have a safe and happy Easter all, enjoy your holidays.
MH.

No. Bored.It’s obvious to any anti vaccer that the earthquakes are caused by the lizard masters through the cell phone tower network. It’s all done by vibration resonance and differential quantum fluctuations.
Be seeing you.
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What is obvious to this Anti-Vaccination proponent is that ..
You are the most narrow minded little twat that it has been my misfortune to meet .. a disgrace to us all .. and this shit in an International Forum!

Geeze Martin ..

my chocky egg lies shattered in shards all over the mock Turkish Rug.
This Constantine Fella needs an Easter Bunny up his bum.

I have no desire to refute your latest findings Martin. Write it all up and get it published in Scientific American or Nature and then I will be impressed.

Interested in your recumbent though. LWB ? SWB? USS? ASS? Wheel sizes? Suspension? Front or rear wheel drive?

Ivor, we have never met, fortunately. And calling this silly blog an International Forum is more than a little pretentious.
You are a very rude animal.

Good Grief Garry (gasp)

can we now expect you to terminate your incessant rudeness ?

If so .. thank heaven.

If not .. wuff wuff wuff!

“And calling this silly blog an International Forum is more than a little pretentious.”

Oh I know. For you – it’s just a wanking machine.

For others – it’s an international forum for those who want to use it as such – instead of just using it as a wanking machine – like you do gaz.

“Usury. If you don’t like it then bugger off to an Islamic state.”

I fucking hate usury gaz. So should any sane person.

Systemically – It is the largest source of ongoing suffering and misery ever devised.

So why should I FUCKING move countries ?

Gentlemen! please! this is not the schoolyard.
Gary my recumbent is unlike anything you’ve ever seen before.
I call it “the cyclotron” just for laughs, and it was designed to be as ultra-compact as possible.
The crank is ahead of the 16 inch front rim. The rider sits practically on the ground, and steers the rear wheels, which are tiny units off a roller blade, via an underseat handlebar. Its high-geared and hairy to ride!

I don’t need to publish my stuff in scientific publications because most of it was lifted from scientific works in the first place, as well as military archives. But you would’nt have figured that out as you haven’t checked out my links.

If you want to discuss radical pedal powered stuff, look up http://www.atomiczombie.com.

Now does anybody want to discuss Man-made earthquakes or anything remotely associated?

Thanks for the atomic zombie link. Apt considering it is zombie Jesus day today.

http://www.python-lowracer.de/

The link above may be of interest to you Martin.

I have actually looked at your earthquake links, but I do not draw the same conclusions. I only ignore Ivor’s links – I’ve seen enough of the sites he recommends to know that they are cess pools of misinformation designed largely to sell bogus therapies and snake oil.

Scott, get vaccinated.

I’d be interested to know what you yhink those luminescent discs were over New Brighton, Gary. They mystified the hell out of me until I read the description of the plasma discs caused by HAARP experiments. Some descriptions I read included descriptions of the creation of artificial ionospheric layers well below the F-layer, subsequuently heated with th resultant optical “bullseye” effects. I didn’t include all links as there were many and the hour was getting late.

Thanks for the link Gary I’ll check it out.

“Zombie Jesus day”? hmmm…well it’s more descriptive than “Easter”.
That was quite a stunt he pulled though. The short length of time it took him to “die” was a bit of a giveaway, however. Usually took the poor buggers days to die.
My favourite disciple was Thomas. The only one who demanded firm evidence when confronted with the “resurected” Jesus. He wouldn’t be fooled by a Blue Beam “Holo-Jesus”, that’s for sure,lol!

Re. the Python, very cool. Front half is similair configuration to my Cyclotron device. Just today completed a scooter for young Luke, all aluminium, Heim-joint steering. Also have a long-fork trike under construction.
But we’re WAAAAY off subject here.
Sorry Scotty, Ivor & all viewers, but it IS a pleasant diversion after all the hostile ranting.

Looking forward to buying you a beer one Sunday, gaz.

And then pouring it all your arrogant, ignorant, chinless, red-necked, lemon-shaped little skull.

And then leaving you to it.

Audit: Gas lines tied to fracking lack oversight

Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/gas-drilling/audit-gas-lines-tied-to-fracking-lack-oversight-1.1289474#ixzz1rS2OPhOC

SAN FRANCISCO – The federal government knows nothing about thousands of miles of pipelines that tap natural gas flows released through the drilling method known as fracking, and needs to step up oversight to ensure they are running safely, government auditors say.

Private companies have put in hundreds of small gathering pipelines in recent years to collect the new gas and oil supplies freed through the high-pressure drilling technique.

Nationwide, about 240,000 miles of gathering pipelines ferry the fuels to processing facilities and larger pipelines in top energy-producing states. The Government Accountability Office said in its report issued Thursday that most of those miles are not regulated by the U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, which means they are not regularly inspected for leaks or corrosion.

Read more: http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/gas-drilling/audit-gas-lines-tied-to-fracking-lack-oversight-1.1289474#ixzz1rS2CJWOq

http://tinyurl.com/7v9pd4y

You are threatening me with violence Scotty? Do you have anger management problems? Sorry but there is no vaccine for that.
Drink more beer.

Ivor! Well done: a post relating to the thread subject. Thankyou.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=znEU8nUz7IQ&feature=results_main&playnext

You all need this. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEU8nUz7IQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1

OK now try it. Missed the “=1″ !

Think I have a solution to my UFO sightings of New Year’s Eve, and the daylight sighting a few weeks back. A number of unmanned spacecraft have been manouvering around in earth orbit lately, robot supply ship trials, drone shuttles etc. Many of these are visible even in daylight and footage on youtube looks vey like what I saw.
Sorry alien fans, William of Ockham wins again.

Harping on about HAARP again…Ivor expressed doubt that 30-odd million dollars was correct for HAARP’s budget. I’ve established via a Mil. document posted on Earthpulse, that this is in fact correct.
David Keith (remember?, the geoengineer who promoted chemtrailing as a remedy for global warming?) said “This stuff is so cheap, every multi-millionaire could buy their own personal Ice-Age.”
And this explains why the US is so keen on ionospheric heating experimentation: it’s cheap!

Talking of HAARP .. take a look at this …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J22EJP5USY&feature=related

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=japan-nuclear-plume

“”It’s certain that at the moment there is no concern whatsoever for the west coast or Hawaii, for that matter,” Bushberg says. “It would be hard to imagine a release so catastrophic that it would endanger people on the west coast.”

Vetter notes that sensitive monitoring equipment in the U.S. may in fact detect fallout from Japan, but the levels will be negligible from a human health standpoint. “It’s inconceivable that we would have health effects in this country as a result of this accident,” he says.”

Martin! Martin! Earth pulse? Really?

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
I suspect you are a lost cause.

Gary, gimme a break, it’s very rarely I stray into conspiracy sites for my material, I stick to scholarly papers as far as possible. Earthpulse just happened to come up as a handy source for a particular military document relating to the “birth” of HAARP, mainly to verify the initial budget allocated to the project.
Is that OK with you Oh Mighty One?
Next time I’ll obtain the information from a peer-reviewed institution of crusty old longbeards, just for you.

Here garrywarry here boy ..

1. Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas 66045, U.S.A.; 2. Department
of Paleobiology, National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution, P.O. Box 37012, MRC 121,
Washington, DC 20013, U.S.A.; 3. Department of Earth Science, Aarhus University, DK-8000 Aarhus C,
Denmark; 4. Department of Earth Sciences, University College London, Gower Street,
London WC1E 6BT, United Kingdom

ABSTRACT
We find that the marine 87Sr/86Sr record shows a significant periodicity of 59.33 m.yr. The 87Sr/86Sr record is
17112 out of phase with a 62 (3)-m.yr. periodicity previously reported in the record of marine animal diversity.
These periodicities are close to 58 (4)-m.yr. cycles found for the number of gap-bounded sedimentary carbonate
packages of North America. We propose that these periodicities reflect the operation of a periodic “pulse of the earth”
in large-scale earth processes. These may be linked to mantle or plate-tectonic events, possibly uplift, which affects the earth’s climate and oceans and, thus, the geochemistry, sedimentation, and biodiversity of the marine realm.

http://kusmos.phsx.ku.edu/~melott/JGSr.pdf

All right Martin, keep your hair on. Didn’t you see the smiley face emoticon indicating that I was kidding.

And I do not have a long beard, although I am crusty and mighty.

Ivor? What? Once again your brain ‘works’ in mysterious ways.

Here Garrywarry .. here boy ..

US Regulator: We’ve got to stop labs from testing for Fukushima radiation — “Tell them to back off” — Worried about them talking to press about ‘consequences’

http://enenews.com/nrc-weve-stop-labs-testing-fukushima-radiation-directors-knock-doe-cool-worried-about-talking-press-about-consequences

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All of Western US and most of East Coast, Midwest, Canada covered with airborne particles at various altitudes on March 20, Fukushima plume model shows — Based solely on Reactor No. 1 explosion (PHOTO)

http://enenews.com/study-all-western-east-coast-covered-airborne-particles-march-20-model-shows-canada-based-solely-reactor-1-explosion-photo

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Japan Gov’t Study: Fukushima radiation reached Alaska via ocean in under a month (MAP)

http://enenews.com/fukushima-radiation-reached-alaska-ocean-month-map

No good trying to keep my hair on Gary, the kids have ensured its mostly gone….
Yes, I know you’re just pulling my leg.
Ivor, I understood the earthpulse thing perfectly. Same thing the ancient Mayans were trying to tell us. 1 pulse of 26,000 years containing sub-pulses, or “ages”.
Our current “age” is the last in the 26,000 year cycle and ends on 21 December this year.
(waiting for Gary’s link to “skeptic killjoy.com” or somesuch!)

No good trying to keep my hair on Gary, the kids have ensured its mostly gone….
Yes, I know you’re just pulling my leg.
Ivor, I understood the earthpulse thing perfectly. Same thing the ancient Mayans were trying to tell us. 1 pulse of 26,000 years containing sub-pulses, or “ages”.
Our current “age” is the last in the 26,000 year cycle and ends on 21 December this year.
(waiting for Gary’s link to “skeptic killjoy.com” or somesuch!)

…and before you point out that Ivor’s figures on the “pulse” don’t gel with mine, Gary, I’m talking about the principle, not the specifics.

Hmmm. So the earthquakes are caused by this pulse of the earth and not by HAARP or fracking or the moon ?
Or is there a link to vaccination perhaps?

OK, smartarse.
Tectonic plate movement causes earthquakes.

What causes tectonic plate movement?

What internal mechanisms (within the Earth) are involved?

What external mechanisms (solar, lunar, other?) are involved?

Is there a cycle, pattern or “pulse” effect involved in any of this?

Can human activity, deliberate or accidental, induce or aggravate seismic activity?

We are here, on this thread, to explore, debate, discuss this subject, as well as other things that may relate either directly or indirectly.

I do not recall reaching a firm conclusion on any of these issues.

Is there a connection between Mayan cosmology, solar cycles, tectonic activity,the moon, HAARP, fracking, project Blue Beam, and bicycles?
One can connect anything to anything.Bicycle sprockets…gear ratios and crank leverages…the differentials of the interlocking wheels on the Mayan calendar rounds…the motions of the planets around the sun…the motions of our entire solar system within our galaxy…like the whirling wheels and gears on a bike tracing invisible spirals and cycloids as it travels along the ground…everything connected…oooohhhhh…I’m getting dizzy!

Well this is the amazing thing about it all Martin .. everything is connected ..

As you say its dizzy making .. this is the problem with the HAARP experiments we do not know what we are doing .. we have answers to everything and know nothing, and the next little tweak could be the one that rips our Cosmic Sail.

And, Ivor, therein lies the fatal flaw in mainstream science. It consists of separate, compartmented institutions who rarely cross the borders of their own specialized fields. Many of the things we discuss here require a multi-disciplinary approach. No stone is left unturned in the quest for knowledge and truth, no matter what craziness lies beneath. Unlike the scientists, we are not constrained by funding (or the threat of funding withdrawal), although we often rely on their expertise for information.
A good analogy for the scientific establishment is the US military/intelligence machine, working on the principle of “compartmented” information: different people hold different pieces of information, but nobody has the clearance to know everything, and they are prevented from ever getting together to share knowledge.
We can, of course, use the internet and books to piece things together as best we can.

Advanced acoustical devices, multilingual capability, “voice enhancement” to enhance message enforcement (does it make you sound like Darth Vader) and…well, see for yourself:

http://www.lradx.com/site/content/view/252/110

” this is the problem with the HAARP experiments we do not know what we are doing ”

Another way of saying this could be that you do not know what they are doing and you do not have the education to understand their explanation anyway.

It is quite understandable to be afraid of that which you do not understand. Ignorance breeds fear, which is probably why Ivor is so afraid of science based medicine.

The military could well be up to no good with their HAARP experiments. They have certainly shown in the past that they are capable of wasting lots of money on crackpot ideas such as ESP. I don’t trust the buggers at all, hell they even employed Ivor once.

“He’s the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,”
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/donovan/universal-soldier.html

Dear oh Dear Gary,

I go out for a few hours and find you have pooped 2 or 3 times and smeared it all over the walls .. you are obviously suffering from some kind of development disorder .. It must be all of those vaccines you took ..

Talking of vaccines, off you go to the vaccine room and I shall be posting there very soon .. that will give your massive brain power time to absorb it before Master Neo arrives.

Ivor the Universal Soldier. .

Shoo shoo! off to the vaccination room with you ..

Martin .. sorry about all of the off topic stuff .. but one must occasionally brush off the fleas ..

I agree with your approach .. discard nothing .. examine everything .. excellent .. but in the meantime we seem to have forgotten about what is happening in Christchurch a dearly beloved part of NZ Culture and one that I do not think we can repeat if it is razed.

It is ideal FKN fracking country and an area that the Corporations will have a party in .. you fucking peasants are being driven off the land .. just as the greedy bankers of the old black and white movies moved the peasants off the land ..

Its an old age game that never stops .. May God help you all .. or better still .. get off your asses and fight ,, god damn you FIGHT !

“The military could well be up to no good”. Well arent you just a bloody genius, Gary! OF COURSE THEY”RE UP TO NO BLOODY GOOD!!
Put on your dunce cap and sit in the corner of the class facing the wall please. The “black world” of the US military industry is there specifically for the purpose of doing naughty things without accountability. I draw your attention for the third time to the infamous “Weather as a Force Multiplier” document, where the US military openly states its desire and ability to control the weather for purposes of warfare.
And you have the cheek to suggest that I don’t understand what I’m reading? I’m no rocket scientist, but I take the time to wade through mountains of pdf files and do my utmost to interpret and understand the data. I even go to the trouble of providing links so you can check it out for yourself. As you know, I’m always willing to listen everyone’s point of view, and use criticism constructively.
It seems to me, Gary, that I’m doing all the research here and use what meager brainpower I possess to fit the pieces of the puzzle together, to try and make some sense from all the rumours and theories,and you sit there and disdainfully suggest I’m ignorant.
So, if you understand all the information and links I’ve provided better than the rest of us, let’s hear all about it. We’re waiting, Gary. Us poor mentally starved waifs are waiting to feast upon the sustenance of your bountiful wisdom.

Ivor, you,re right abou t the fracking issue, and no, I haven’t forgotten about it. Haven’t had much to say on the subject lately as I’ve made up my mind to oppose it on the grounds that it is reckless to proceed with it in an area that is still shaking daily (and may do so for years), regardless of what the pro-frackers say. My family and I intend to attend the “peaceful protest” and free concert at Clearwater Resort at the end of this month (can’t exactly go chaining myself to a fracking rig with a missus and kids to look after!)It may not qualify as “fighting” but we do what we can to register our opposition.

Funny you should mention Christchurch bieng “razed” Ivor, as thats exactly wht’s happening to half my street, most of the houses now vacated and weed-infested, and the demo crews moving in. Three houses gone already. My place is Tech. Category 3/Green, which means it stays, but special foundation work may be required if the Geotech. engineers deem it neccesary.

Martin ..
I understand and I salute the courage, personally I would have moved, my daughter and hubby were there.

It is to you personally that I say that the thread has been kept alive .. no .. enlivened by your contribution and in which I have learnt many things.

To you must also go the honor of keeping the Garry in line .. all I seem to do is bring out the worst in him .. Lol my karmic responsibility ..

Keep on Martin .. it is an International Forum .. I am sure that many visit .. even though they are put off by you know who .. from you .. we all learn.

My “ignorance ” comment was aimed at Igor , not you Martin. You give the impression of not yet being fully into the woo world of psychics and magic water and world wide super conspiracies. Good on you for maintaining your skepticism.

Sorry Gary, crossed wires. Sometimes I feel like a meerkat in the middle of a battle field: every now and then I pop my head up at the wrong time and, “KAPOW!”
I’ve been “into” conspiracies, fringe science, ancient mysteries, cryptozoology,UFOs etc my entire life, but always try to keep a healthy balance: it’s all about trying to learn the truth no matter where the path leads ( and it does take some strange turns !)
While I appreciate the praise, it takes more than one person to keep a thread going, so thanks Ivor, thanks Gary.
Have you been keeping up with news re. the Indonesian quake?

The Christchurch City Council has unanimously voted to ban the controversial mining practice known as fracking.

http://tinyurl.com/6n3g7nc

“The Christchurch City Council has unanimously voted to ban the controversial mining practice known as fracking.”

Good. We can stop going on about it now. Unrelated to the Chch quake anyway as there was no fracking going on there anyway.

Gary, the Council cannot actually “ban” fracking, the gesture is symbolic only. The Government has refused a moratorium.
It IS related to the Chch. quake subject as fracking has been implicated in “man made” seismic activity, and therefore is relevant to the thread. But you knew this already unless you are suffering from amnesia.

What a day it’s been for quakes today. As well as Indonesia, look at West Coast America. Had to come sooner or later.

http://zen-haven.dk/schuman-resonance-magnetic-field/

I found this interesting .. schuman resonance in the ELF range ?

Martin, is the frequency and magnitude of the worlds earthquakes significantly different over the last few years from the normal historical range?

Ivor, so,you have discovered the schuman resonance/ELF/HAARP connection.
Interesting, yes?

Gary, thats the million dollar question, and just like the solar maximum, there seems to be a lot of figures and not many straight facts. A while ago I found a good site that had all the comparisons year by year, and I’m trying to find it again so I can give you a link (if I can get the URL to work!)
Be back later.

Hi Martin ..

yes most interesting .. It is real scary that they are tampering around in there .. as someone once said .. a hammer and a screwdriver to fix a Concord Engine.

Everything Nature does appears to be in maintaining homeostasis and I feel that our own magnetic field is a harmonic which is linked .. I was reading some stuff on the Pineal gland and how it uses light frequencies and just how easy it is to disturb it and the bad consequences of that disturbance.

For communications we used HF VHF and UHF and all were subject to a phenomenon called frequency drift and the equipment had to be re-tuned at regular intervals.

As an electro – chemical being with a weak magnetic field we could be heading for some real trouble, and certainly the world seems to be going mad.

http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/04/zero_point_to_g.html

This frequency, 7.8 times per second (7.8 Hz), is the Schumann Resonance frequency. Braden says it’s speeding up (it isn’t).

http://quake.geo.berkeley.edu/ncedc/em.intro.html

Stability of the Schumann Resonance

The Schumann resonance frequency observed at this observatory does not exhibit any unusual change or drift since the start of observations by the BDSN in 1995.

“…. and certainly the world seems to be going mad.”

Not so Ivor. It’s just you.

http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/head-heart-interactions.html

Something for Ivor to read and believe.

Garry .. tell me .. are the magnetic poles of the planet stationary ? or are they wandering?

Oh and re the hearthmath .. do you know anything about the solar plexus ? Somehow I think not really .. some of the posts that you make .. they sort of define your ignorance ..

A network of nerves in the abdomen behind the stomach that contains ganglia sending nerve fibers to the internal organs of the abdomen

Or for the newage crazies…..The Solar Plexus Chakra is located and inch or two above the navel. This Chakra is the focus point for our power and will. Our sense of power, ego and authority, as well as self-control and discipline are centered here.

“Garry .. tell me .. are the magnetic poles of the planet stationary ? or are they wandering?”

Wandering, like your mind.

Newage rhymes with sewage.

Ivor…… Igor…….ignor……ignorant

Word games are such fun.

OK, I’m back. Damn having to work, it interferes with my “job” here!
But then, why work when someone else has already done the work for you, like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSzyZHNjQpk

Answering quite methodically your question Gary about earthquakes on the rise (note that this is for quakes 6.0 and bigger, it would be interesting to follow up on this and see if the same trend applies for quakes of lesser magnitude.)

Here’s one for you Ivor, (you’ll find it interesting too Gary)

“everything is connected”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2bAlIKKE&feature=related

Damn this URL! try again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2bAlIKkE&feature=related

Garry warry .. cut and pastes from a quick look with a search engine .. thats the level of your knowledge eh?

Admit it you do not have a clue of how it could be related to heartmath .. do you Garry warry ? Thick as a short plank eh boy ..

off to bed with you .. no supper!

Nope I give up on this one, sorry.
“malformed URL” my ass!
It was about Golden Ratio (1.618), Fibonnaci and fractals, there’s actually a few to choose from on this topic.

Today’s Press made the CC Council’s opposition to Fracking the front page headline. Also an article on the Alpine fault: is it due to activate? anytime, apparently. The jury is out on how much we should be worrying about it right now. Erring on the side of caution would seem to be a wise move.
Yesterday’s 4.6 wobble gave us a reminder that Christchurch is still on the move. I was watching the Indonesian Quake on the mid-day news when the telly started rocking violently from side to side (to the great amusement of the kids.Warped sense of humour. Don’t know where they got that from…)

So the magnetic poles are wandering .. good lad 10/10.

Try now to understand what that wandering means .. I understand that it is another of those areas that you know nothing about .. but with a bit of digging you may be able to make a reasonably accurate guess.

He heh heh .. they have been watching Dad

I tried the link and got the same result as you .. have you gone over the puter to see if you have picked up an infection .. I ask because I had a similar problem a few weeks back .. so I did a full sweep that located a couple of things .. when they were removed all was good again.

Those continual jolts must be disheartening for people .. but yes one must not become to blase .. are your family ready if a retreat is called for ?

Just done a cleanup and scan, all seems ok, the earthquake link seemed to work though.

Try this instead. Worth watching ’til the end! :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRsUKEvscHI&feature=related

yup, that one works OK!
And a nice way to end the evening.

Yes nice one Martin .. that is what the blood cell sees when it looks up .. sort of a matter of scale .. the old Alchemist dictum .. as above so below

@ gaz and ‘neo’

all I’m saying is :

‘Wrap it up”

because all the crowd’s bored.

Ah, the wisdom of the ancients, un hindered by the scientific method. And how well did that work for them? Vedic child mortality ?

Scotty, if you are bored, go and play with your scrotum. Ivor will show you what to do. Scrotums are his one area of expertise.

What the *&^* are you blathering on about Gary?
Do something useful and give me some feedback on the link I gave you for the earthquake increase data. Some sort of acknowledgement would be good, since you asked the question and I took the trouble to find an answer.
….and how do YOU know so much about Ivor’s scrotum anyhow?

It’s not boredom, gaz.

It’s disappointment.

Disappointment in you – in what you do and in your crappy personality.

And the last buttoned-down crusty suburban psycho that tried to give me sex education advice – got a beer poured all over him.

http://www.consrv.ca.gov/index/Earthquakes/Pages/qh_earthquakes_myths.aspx

Earthquakes are becoming more frequent. Research shows that earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout the century and have actually decreased in recent years. However, since there are a greater number of seismological centers and instruments capable of locating many small earthquakes that went undetected in earlier years, it may seem as if there are more.

Opps! Government site… Probably part of the conspiracy.

http://www.pdc.org/iweb/earthquake_increase.jsp?subg=1

There is no evidence that earthquakes are becoming more frequent, it is simply that more earthquakes are being recorded, especially small ones, as extensive world-wide monitoring networks continue to expand. The number of large earthquakes, however, remains stable year in and year out. The Earthquake Hazards Program (USGS) website provides data on the frequency of earthquake occurences.

Officials at the USGS estimate that several million earthquakes occur in the world each year. But many go undetected because they occur in remote areas or have very small magnitudes. The USGS National Earthquake Information Center locates about 50 earthquakes each day, or about 20,000 a year. Up-to-date statistics on the number of earthquakes worldwide and in the United States can be found in the Earthquake Hazards Program (USGS) website.

Your video ‘proof’ was just End Times numerology.
Jesus is not coming back.

For Ivor …

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/29dec_magneticfield/

Scientists have long known that the magnetic pole moves. James Ross located the pole for the first time in 1831 after an exhausting arctic journey during which his ship got stuck in the ice for four years. No one returned until the next century. In 1904, Roald Amundsen found the pole again and discovered that it had moved–at least 50 km since the days of Ross.

For Martin …

http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/education/faqs/faq18.html

Are earthquakes on the increase?
NO. There is no evidence that earthquakes are becoming more frequent, we are simply recording larger numbers, especially of small earthquakes. The number of larger events remains stable. As extensive world-wide monitoring networks continue to expand, more events are located each year. The table below details USGS data for the frequency of earthquakes since 1900:

However, since there are a greater number of seismological centers and instruments capable of locating many small earthquakes that went undetected in earlier years, it may seem as if there are more.

Ladies and Gentleman .. supposition .. your Science dollar at work .. However Scientific supposition is much more valid than ours .. Bah!

Garry .. I do not feel that there is any doubt that the magnetic poles move .. that was not the point I was trying to make to you.

Imagine a spheroid with numbers around its edge .. and when detected the pole stood at 6 .. and the next time it was checked it stood at 7 ..

That reminds me of the frequency drift in a Radio spectrum ..

Hi Martin ..

I checked out a few more of those video,s .. marvellous stuff .. shades of Mescaline

Have you come across a theory called skin slip in relation to these Earth disturbances ?

Given what I feel is reasonable proof of this HAARP technology and of course the accepted tectonic plate theory .. it seemed to fit.

What has also been running through my mind is that with the disturbances on the Sun and our own physiology (or what we know of it)then I would find it inconceivable that given the enormous differences between Solar and Human magnetism that we are not affected in some way .. a bit like a drop of ink spreading in water.

I have found a book called ..
Electromagnetism and Life Dr R.O. Becker .. Ir-repairable bone damage healed with the help of weak magnetic fields etc .. he has also done a study of the Salamander and its ability to regrow limbs.

So as Christchurch quakes what else is going on ?

“And the last buttoned-down crusty suburban psycho that tried to give me sex education advice – got a beer poured all over him.”

Scotty, I think you are missing the point of beer if you are going about pouring it over heads. Surely a firm kick in the bollocks will suffice. But be sure to put the pint down first – I wouldn’t like to see you spill any. Some things are sacred, even to an atheist.

Thankyou Ivor! at last someone has brought up Earth Crustal Displacement theory as popularised by professor Charles Hapgood.
But first thanks Gary for your input. And a very valid point too. I wondered whether improvements and proliferation in sensing stations and technology might play a role. Iris has quite a substantial archive of data, I’ll try a bit of digging there to see what their data shows.
As for the crustal slippage theory, I have much to contribute here, as I have a number of books on the subject. I’ll be back a bit later with some info.

A couple of thoughts in the meantime. Lets say that eartquakes are not on the increase. Obviously, a number of parties would like us to think otherwise. Is this another example of the 2012 “end times” agenda being pushed on us? Who is behind this deception (if that is what this is).

North Korea launched a rocket to put a sattelite into orbit. It failed, and rather uncharistically N.Korea were quite open about the humiliating failure. One of HAARP’s functions involves disabling missiles….?

In a nutshell, Hapgood’s displacement theory aimed to provide an explanation for what we describe today as “punctuated equilibrium”: sudden episodes of mass extinction accompanied by apparently violent and dramatic geolocical activity. Hapgood, who has my greatest respect, constantly revised his theory as new data competing theories came to light.
Hapgood proposed that, in addition to slow tectonic plate movement, the whole outer crust of the earth could “slide” over the viscous inner layers. This happened suddenly (in geological terms).
His theory is not to be confused with “pole shift”, where the planet rolls over in its entirety.
Far from being a wacky theory, Hapgood had the blessing of Albert Einstein, who was “electrified” and enthusiastic enough to write the foreward to his book.
The main obstacle Hapgood came up against was finding a “trigger mechanism”, as Einstein pointed out. Initially, the increasing/decreasing weight and distribution of polar ice was proposed, taking into account Isostatic rebound and centrifugal effect. Einstein expressed doubts.
“The doubts have been vindicated” writes Hapgood,”advancing knowledge of conditions of the earth’s crust now suggest that the forces responsible for shifts lie deep within the earth…”Despite this change…the evidence for the shifts themselves has been multiplied many times”.

Gary, I’ve been “asking around” online re. the earthquake frequency question. Generally, the answer seems to be “no apparent increase”, although past records for quakes less than 6mag are unreliable. The only sites claiming an increase seem to be pushing an agenda (usually fundamentalist “end-times” so-called Christians).
The best and most interesting answer is this one:

http://www.earthsky.org/earth/are-large-earthquakes-increasing-in-frequency

Despite the New-Agy sounding site name it’s very much mainstream science and rather an interesting site. Take a look.

I knew that Einstein was enthusiastic .. I also an most intrigued by reports of Mastodons recovered from deep ice in the Northern Hemisphere with the remains of fresh plants in their mouths .. suggesting a sudden or blast freezing.

I am also intrigued by reports not only of huge under ice lakes of water in Antarctica but also by reports that fossil remains of tropical plants and trees have been found in the drilled ice cores taken from Antarctica ..

If this is true then what are we to make of the legends of Atlantis ? .. there is so much that we do not know or even understand .. the major problem is this stifler .. NO .. the suffocating of the human soul .. the scientific or skeptics mind set ..

Cue .. Garry enters left stage with the great Randy Pandy firmly attached.

Ivor, you’re getting into my “No.1″ area of special interest here. The permafrost remains are way beyond what most people realise.Throughout Siberia and Alaska, the permafrost consists of the remains of literally millions of deep-frozen plants, animals and insects, covered in liquefaction and lenses of ice. In some places, the remains are smashed and mangled. In others the animals appear to have been frozen intact as they stood, chewing their food.
Trees, still with leaves and fruit intact. A whale lies on top a pony.
In caves around the world, conglomerations of splintered bones of birds and mammals are crushed and cemented together in their thousands. In North America alone, as many as 40,000,000 animals died during the catastrophic close of the Pleistocene era. Contrary to the popular image, mammoths were not adapted to cold, and would have quickly perished in the current polar climate.
As far as “Atlantis” goes (and I use that name with caution as a handy label for a hypothetical Elder/Pleistocene age civilisation) I am strongly persuaded by the mounting evidence.
Civilisation goes back further than science will yet accept, but even the most cautious scientist would have to agree that the accepted dates keep getting pushed back further into antiquity.
There are plenty of ancient ruins around the world displaying the mind-boggling building feats of past civilisations. How the hell were those 1,000 ton stone blocks at Baalbeck transported and positioned? Take a look at the precision stone work at Puma Punku, or Sacsayhuaman.
And don’t even get me started on Egypt…!

Wow Martin .. I can see that I need to deepen my reading material .. my area has been the Celts and the connection to a Neolithic culture that used crystal power ..

I guess my problem is cherry picking .. but I am open .. sock it to me !

These ancient cultures had a knowledge of sonics, of the power of sound…and the resonances of rock and crystal, and sympathetic vibration. Phase Conjugate adaptive Resonance. Sound familiar?
HAARP, LRAD etc. we have been discussing? How do you generate an earthquake? How do you raise a thousand ton block of stone? How did the Egyptians slice through granite and Diorite like butter?
How and why would you shape a giant obelisk so it rings like a bell when thumped? Phase conjugation technology: cutting edge today, old hat 4000 years ago!

Everything is connected.

Now you are talking Martin .. things that I would have never have given credence to .. as you say .. cutting edge today .. yet what is holding us back .. orthodox science with its ponderous procedures .. peer reviewed scientific papers and this system that they have, that suffocates young minds just rearing to go!

Universities and this system of tenure which is the real worlds equivalent of being on the dole. but then we have the corruption of the Commercial world where the majority of the real scientists are.

How on earth are we to get out of this impasse ?? How can we guarantee the young people a bed and food whilst they chase their dreams ?

Good lord set them loose upon just some of those things you have mentioned .. we do not need specialized industrial parks or tenure or published papers .. we just need the courage to trust them.

Ah well just like those wandering poles .. my apologies, but I will not retract lol .. Martin I really am open to hearing more even if only to get me going

Martin asks,
“How the hell were those 1,000 ton stone blocks at Baalbeck transported and positioned? ”

A very quick look around found the following. I am sure there are plenty similar explanations for your other ancient mysteries.

http://www.ramtops.co.uk/baalbek.html

The stones were transported over a path only 600 meters length and about 15 meters *downhill*. The quarry is 1160 meters high, and the temple 145 meters. So it was easy to keep the stones on an even level to their final resting place and it was uneccesary to lift them about 7 meters as some authors claim.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202

“Much is often made of the vast size and weight of the Pumapunku stones, with paranormal web sites routinely listing them as up to 440 tons. Pumapunku does indeed contain the largest single stone found at any of the Tiwanaku sites, and it’s part of its Plataforma Lítica, or stone platform. The accepted estimate of this piece of red sandstone’s weight is 131 metric tons, equal to 144 US tons. The second largest block is only 85 metric tons, and the rest go down sharply from there. The vast majority of the building material at Pumapunku consists of relatively small and easily handled stones, although many of the most famous are megalithic. The absurd numbers like 440 tons come from much earlier estimates, and have long since been corrected.

We do not claim to know how the heavy lifting and exquisite masonry was accomplished at Pumapunku, but that’s a far cry from saying we believe the Tiwanaku were incapable of it. We simply don’t have a record of what tools and techniques they used. All around the world are examples of stonemasonry from the period that is equally impressive. The Greek Parthenon, for example, was built a thousand years before Pumapunku, and yet nobody invokes aliens as the only explanation for its great beauty and decorative detailing that more than rivals Pumapunku’s angles and cuts. At about the same time, the Persians constructed Persepolis with its superlative Palace of Darius, featuring details that are highly comparable to Pumapunku. Stonemasons in India cut the Udayagiri Caves with megalithic doorways that are very similar to those in Pumapunku. The Tiwanaku did magnificent work, but by no means was it inexplicably superior to what can be found throughout the ancient world. It is unnecessary to invoke aliens to explain the structures.”

Gary, please don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Von Daniken/ Sitchin proponent. All this stuff is very much terrestrial. What I’m getting into here is some genuinely interesting solutions to some baffling ancient mysteries. No magic or voodoo. All will become clear as I present more.
See you guys soon!

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/Who%20Taught%20the%20Inca%20Stonemasons%20Their%20Skills%20A%20Comparison%20of%20Tiahuanaco%20and%20Inca%20Cut-Stone%20Masonry.pdf

The above link is very interesting Martin.

And this…..

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/Who%20Taught%20the%20Inca%20Stonemasons%20Their%20Skills%20A%20Comparison%20of%20Tiahuanaco%20and%20Inca%20Cut-Stone%20Masonry.pdf

Fascinating stuff.

But nothing really compared to a Jumbo jet.

Saveloys must be open by now Garry .. slip your wig on .. suck your beer belly in .. stay away from Scot .. off you go now .. shoo shoo.

Pub doesn’t open until midday. I am tall and thin. I have no beer belly. I do have a full head of hair. So once again Ivor is just making shit up.

Thanks for the link, Gary. Very detailed and shows the breathtaking complexity of the mysterious ruins of pumapunku. Nice comparison with other examples of South American architecture. Notice the difference in style here, Pumapunku and Tiahuanaco showing, significantly, an obsession with “golden ratio” (Phi=1.618). Are you paying attention here Ivor?
Remember those youtube clips?

Here’s an easier reading one for you on Baalbeck. Very informative, please read especially Alan Alfrd’s followup article here:

http://www.word-mysteries.com/mpl_5.htm

Some more perspective on Tihuanaco & Pumapuncu. Lake Titicaca lies on a plateau 3800 metrs above sea level. Most of the life in this freshwater lake is found elsewhere only in saltwater. This lake once lay at sea level, and was part of the ocean. Tiahanaco was once a port city. It is now some distance from the lakeside. The lake is slowly dwindling.
Conventional dating places the ruins at roughly 1500AD to 900AD.
Note that stone constructions cannot be dated. Archeologists rely on context. There are problems. Will archeologists in the future excavate my home, find a late 1800,s era book on British history, and therefore date my home to the late 19th. century?
At Tiahuanaco & Pumapunku, there are carvings clearly representing Toxodon and Cuvieronius: both, significantly, Late-pleistocene mammals that became extinct at the end of the last ice age. These ruins show evidence of being destroyed in a massive catastrophe. Possibly the same one that thrust the whole area 3,800 metres upwards. Context? How old are these ruins? Next I will tackle issues relating to the construction methods of the builders. Stay tuned…

While the actua weight of the stones at Pumapuncu can only be estimated, the fact remains that ranges in the tens to hundreds of tons are evident.Whoever was responsible for this work, they were not primitive savages straining on ropes! Take a look at Gary’s excellent link and marvel at the workmanship. One extraordinary block has a laser-straight groove running along its surface with tiny, perfectly spaced holes bored or drilled into the indentation. What tools were used, or what the purpose was, we can only guess.
Take a look at the T-shaped indentations for the purpose of holding metal clamps. For a long time it was assumed that these clamps were pre-cast and then slotted into place. Electron microscope scanning has revealed that the metal was poured into place in a molten state. This would have required an on-site, portable smelter. What metal was used? Spectographic analalysis of a surviving clamp shows it to be an alloy: 2.05 % arsenic, 95.15% copper,.26% iron,1.7% nickel. Aside from the problem of the extremely high smelting temperatures needed, where did they obtain the nickel? There is no known source anywhere in Bolivia.
In my next post I’ll get down to something closer to the matter of sonic technologies and Golden Ratio:
The mysteries of ancient Egypt. Yikes, where the hell do I begin….?

” There is no known source anywhere in Bolivia.”
Except for the traders…..

There was lots of ‘international’ trade even then.

Just as an aside, we’ve had some pretty heavy Chemtrail (sorry Gary, I mean contrail) activity in Christchurch today. I,m looking at a dirty great trail across the sky right now. Even had them forming X’s earlier.

I find the stone workmanship in the great cathedrals of Europe more impressive than a few nicely fitted big rocks.
Needless to say the technology of a Boeing 747 blows anything the ancients made into the weeds.

Chemtrails. Yeah right.
I’d be a lot more worried about the chemicals coming out of the exhaust pipe of that 4WD driving down your street Martin.

Don’t worry about the Chemtrails because the HAARP radiation will disperse it harmlessly.
Oh and if you wear a magnetic bracelet you will be immune to the effects of Chemtrails.

Jim Stone answered my question about Chemtrials .. what were they? .. I want to bring to your repeated attention .. his site has pointed out some overlooked facts, and for sure no one is perfect and especially human beings.

By Jim Stone .. sourced 15 April 2012
This small excerpt was taken from the website which is to be found here ..
http://tinyurl.com/7c4kntd

And now, I will say it like I knew it had to be.

I believe the phony 9.0 story was used as seismic cover for a tsunami nuke, which produced the tsunami of a 9.0 when detonated in the Japan trench (where no earthquakes of significance happen) as punishment for Japan offering to enrich uranium for Iran. The rest of the story, the concealment, is black ops. Bet on it. In the tsunami videos, the tsunami rips through pristine and undamaged cities, where business as usual is obvious and the tsunami is an ambush; not 9.0 earthquake ravaged debris. The quake is a paper thin story taped together by the undeserved trust of a gullible public. And the stories? The CIA did not hire a million people last year for nothing. If there is evidence of a 9.0 SHOW ME. A 9.0 will devastate an area over 1,000 miles across. That is how big a 9.0 is. The entire nation should be in ruins, especially judging from the damage the 6.9 Kobe quake did, and no where, no where outside the tsunami zone in the entire country is there a single damaged multi story building, a single collapsed bridge, a single structurally damaged wood framed house, or skyscraper. If a picture exists that can be definitively pinned to this quake, show me. The only collapsed structure in all of Japan was an old welfare shelter near station MYG004, the true epicenter.

Take a look at these frame captures, and ask a question – Why is no one trying to run? Why are the cars all just parked peacefully as the tsunami arrived? Why was there no warning? Why did the tsunami sirens only go off after the tsunami arrived? Could it be that the people and the governement had not felt a significant earthquake and did not measure one either?

http://tinyurl.com/7c4kntd

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I am wondering and wending .. HAARP .. Man my nose is twitching .. the Ionosphere represents a collosol power source .. If energy projectiles can be steered it is an extremely powerful weapon .. Jim Stones website is of journalism and investigation there are some strange order in his style .. Here we enter a rabbit warren .. there are somethings that are not what they appear to be .. the sly glimpses that we get of who is behind the pen hmmmm .. I think he has a lot going for the quality of his research and will repay your time with new things to consider ..

Mr Stone has pointed out the extreme top damage at Fukushima as though it has been struck by a thunderbolt .. HAARP the thunderbolt .. there are lots of very informative articles on Mr Stones website 9/10.

Does anyone have access to aerial photographs of the quake in CHCH and were there any prohibitions on aerial vehicles .. except military of course ??? it would be useful because one would know, what one looking for, those usual Forensic clues .. and if the signature is found of HAARP then we are entitled to bring the matter to the attention of the authorities .. Where was Haarp NZ .. was it Birdling Flat ? I understand that power was out? Were there any fluctutations of lighting with light bulbs etc in the time leading up to the quake ? ah so many questions and not enough time

John Stone has also explained the ChemTrail phenomenon in a way that makes perfect sense to me .. and shudder for its victims. But dont take it from me .. go see and make up your own minds ..

Yes, those cathedrals are awe inspiring, pictures cannot do justice to the likes of Westminster Abbey or St. Pauls.
They too incorporate the Golden Ratio of 1.618 to provide pleasing and harmonious proportions. They are also built upon the sites of previous places of Pagan worship. See how my little piece on Emperor Constantine and his Roman Church fits in here? And how the Temple of Jupiter at Baalbeck was built upon the site of an existing place of worship?
Everything connected.

“International traders”, oooh! going against the mainstream there Gary! Thor Heyerdahl would be proud of you! And so am I. How else did those pharoahs obtain their cocaine and tobacco? Trade with South America, and plenty of cultural exchange of ideas and technology? No doubt.

HAARP uses those chemtrails to evil ends Gary, thats what they’re there for: phase conjugate holograms. Mark my words, you’ll be seeing Jesus and fleets of alien invaders in no time. Oh, wait, hang on, that’s the result of too much Pomie’s beer!

I agree with your statement about the 747 and modern technology. BUT, if our civilisation was destroyed, how long before that jet plane rusted, oxidised, and disintegrated into nothing, along with all the other technological wonders of our age? What would be left in 10 thousand year’s time?
A bunch of nicely fitted together stones to puzzle some future archeologists? A bunch of wacky legends about gods and heroes who flew in metal birds?
Homo Sapiens has been around long enough for advanced civilisations to have risen, fallen, and destroyed by catastrophe, only for the survivors to start again with precious little but fading memories of a lost age.
The world’s museum vaults are filled with embarrasing finds that do not fit the standard chronology we are taught at school. Quietly explained away and brushed under the carpet.

Ivor, there was no ban in the airspace over Chch, in fact I have been plagued with airborne rubbernecking tourists constantly.
TVNZ had plenty of air coverage.
The only really intrusive airborne interloper I”ve had though was a very sleek, very quiet Notar (no tail-rotor) chopper with the Halliburton logo on it that hovered so damn low I thought it was going to hit a streetlight. And yes, I did give the pilot “the finger”.
Regarding any potential indicators of HAARP in operation, I’ll get back to you with an interesting youtube clip. I still feel the best evidence is the “UFO-like” blue plasma discs that were photographed over New Brighton (right over my roof as we slept!) which are adead ringer for Pederson’s description of an ionospheric heating device on high power and high frequency.
By the way, HAARP= Alaska
HIPAS= Fairbanks USA
SPEAR= Europe
EISCAT= Norway

Something which may relate to HAArp experiments is the wildlife problem in the Alaska area. Polar bears, seals etc. are developing sores, lesions and losing fur due to some mystery ailment, scientists are at a loss to explain why. Again I’ll try find a link for this story.

Thank you for the information .. most helpful .. are there any reports of which way the lens was angled or was it like a flat disc ?

And yes heard of the problem .. also there is the contamination taken from Fukushima and that the power company in Tokyo has said .. “Once the radiation leaves our territorial space .. we do not own it ..

What exactly is this Birdling Flat place that people spoke of ?

Oh and BTW .. I agree with a lot of what you say .. and some of the stoneworks looks like it has been sawn so precise .. That I think looks like a laser kind of thing, and of course the knowledge of the sacred geometry is present in the work .. Have you looked the Henges ? And have you read a book by John Mitchel ‘The View Over Atlantis’? ..

Ivor, “View over Atlantis” is a classic, yes I’ve read it several times. I’ve seen (and touched) stonehenge in the days before it was fenced off.I was quite young, maybe 12 or 13.I remember it being far bigger than it appeared in photos. My grandparents lived in the village of Saltaire, close to a small wood. They took my brother and I to see a small, overgrown and obviously very ancient stone circle in this wood. As far as I know this circle is unknown to researchers.
Birdling’s Flat Ionospheric heater.
There were newspaper articles when it was first erected, I think by the University (I’ll source some info. for you.) Initially it was in plain view, but pine trees have been planted between the antennae to disguise it, and barbwire fencing around. Ironically enough, it is visible on the Christchurch Quake Map (which unfortunately doesn’t provide co-ordinates) I’ll get you a “fix” on it if I can find it on Google Earth.
Not sure in your question about the “plasma lens” thingies wether you mean Pederson’s description or the things photographed over New Brighton?
T.D. Pederson’s observation was:
“Artificial Ionospheric plasmas are formed on the bottom side of natural Ionospheric F-region during high power, high frequency heating experiments…optical emissions produced during these events often exhibit bulls-eye structures, where the articial plasma is thought to form a central spot that diverts HF waves..in some cases both ring and spot represent distinct artificia plasma layers”.
The bottom of the F-layer is about 120 to 140 km,s up, however I’ve read research papers where they generated an artificial ionospheric layer, well below the natural F layer, the created a steerable plasma mirror in it.
I’ve so far been unable to find a photo of one of these bullseye formations, but I’m looking!
If they match the blue disc thingies in the youtube clip it would be pretty good evidence of someone operating an ionospheric heater, right at the scene of the crime.

OK, here’s a starter on ancient Egypt. Here’s two experts in different fields with conpeting theories on “how it was done”
Margeret morris (geopolymerization theory) Vs. Christopher Dunn (ultrasonic machining theory)

Margaret Morris means “business” and really puts the challenge up to Dunn! You’ll love this Gary!

http://margaretmorrisbooks.com/mddebate.html

Important to read the followup “giza powerplant meltdown contained within, which explains Morris’s interesting theory.

Also check out :

http://www.gizapower.com/

Christopher Dunn’s site.

right at the scene of the crime.

Precisely .. well I am not a familiar of Christchurch .. it would be helpful to speak to people in other districts outside of CHCH just to try to get some triangulation info .. i.e, Where it was aimed at .. bearing in mind those early military experiments using explosives under water to cause a tidal wave.

Birdling’s Flat Ionospheric heater. Ha! and how far from New Brighton is that contraption ? You say it was University founded for reasearch .. Now a lot of secrecy ?

T.D. Pederson’s observation .. excellent .. well if one is able to source the right info it should not be difficult to either prove or disprove the Birdling Flat Aparatus.

The view over Atlantis .. yes I think we are on the same page .. Saltaire ? what County is that ?

whenever I was around those stones the atmosphere .. very different as though it were charged .. I could never get it in a crowd .. a solitary vigil at Dawn or Dusk would work the Oracle.

Wales,Wiltshire,Somerset,Devon and Cornwall those places are still the holdouts of the Celts. Glastonbury the reputed burial place of King Arthur .. the stories of Merlin.

Ah the uni people .. dry reports, silly explanations of phenomena .. trample upon peoples mythology .. tell us we are dickheads .. blah blah .. lol

Saltaire is a historic village close to Bradford in West Yorkshire.It was built by Sir Titus Salt to house the workers in his mill. At the time it set new standards of improved living for working class folk.
Stone circles and whatnot were constructed in a “quieter” age. No vehicle noise, no electromagnetic pollution etc. Perhaps in those times people were more easily able to sense the earth’s currents. Certainly these places were not chosen at random. Constantine knew the power of such places, there are plenty of legends of churches built the “wrong” spot that were magically “relocated” by the Devil (represnting paganism).

Dunn’s site looks like is was designed by the same guy who does all the crackpot sites. The loony fringe sites have a certain sameness to their design.
See rense.com for example.

BTW Martin, stone henge is well known to be an astronomical instrument . And do you have any real evidence that people can detect telluric currents without instruments?

“And do you have any real evidence that people can detect telluric currents without instruments?”

Hi Gary.

If true,

such a thing would be very subjective

- and hard to effectively or convincingly express to the others that exist beyond the confines of your own skin.

Perhaps a mass person on site survey undertaken where such currents are believed to exist

– could be the go.

Can you prove that life on other planets doesn’t exist ?

And never has and never will ?

Snotty, I would be very suprised if there is no life on other planets. Hopefully some of the more intelligent versions of it will visit Earth and tip beer on your head. After giving you an indecent kicking.

“I would be very suprised if there is no life on other planets. ”

Good.

I just thought you’d have to

‘read all about it in a peer reviewed western scientific journal for verification’

or something

before you went there.

I’m not going there Scot. Sorry to disappoint.

“I’m not going there”

.. so …

there is no other life on other planets, then ?

y’sure about that ?

Because,

I think life

DOES

exist on other planets, gaz.

I have no PROOF of that

-gaz-

I have no

‘western peer reviewed scientific journals’

backing that up

-gaz-

But I want you to

TELL ME I’M WRONG

about it.

But

even with all your ‘knowledge’

you can’t do that,

can you.

Re. Dunn’s site, yes, it has that “certain special something” about it. Which is a shame as his basic theory had merit, before he went overboard and joined the Von Daniken camp. What do you think of Margeret Morris’s challenge to him?
Pity he keeps fobbing her off, I reckon she sounds like a formidable opponent!And a true skeptic.
Re stonehenge and whether or not humans could detect telluric currents. Pure speculation on my part. As Scotty says, it’s a subjective thing, I guess based more on emotion and faith than cold hard science.And hey, there’s nothing wrong with that. Some people derive comfort/energy/joy from going to church, others from standing alone in an ancient monument. An archeologist may obtain a similair thrill from handling an artifact last held by a pharoah 4,000 years ago, or an atronaut from seeing the Earth from a vantage point in orbit.
Personally I get my jollies by fondling old rusty car parts, but us hot-rodders are a strange bunch.

“I would be very suprised if there is no life on other planets. ”
Scotty, I do not know if there is life on other planets, but given the huge number of planets we now know are out there it would seem more likely than it seemed 20 years ago.
However, as we don’t know how likely it is for life to start we really have no data with which to calculate the odds. So far we have only found one example of life beginning.
Unless you count your lizard friends.

“Some people derive comfort/energy/joy from going to church” and some from heroin.

I derive ‘comfort/energy/joy’ from neither, dickhead.

Rethink your life.

And no one mentioned ‘Lizards’

you sad old pointless, purposeless fuckhole.

Ivor, everything you need to know about Birdlings flat, and much more:

http://webdesign97.tripod.com/theinformationagency/id236.html

Sooo..they have one at Scott Base in Antarctica as I suspected! No wonder Raytheon (owner of all the HAARP patents) is so busy there. That’s what our Frequent high-ranking American visitors are going down to the Ice for.

“you sad old pointless, purposeless fuckhole.”

and you were being so nice.

Come on, you guys, enough of the language. Children view these posts. Keep it clean or you’ll put off your worldwide audience.

PS they’re not lizards they’re REPTOIDS. I know they exist…just look at John Key. Heehee!

I know, Scott is one and he gets all overheated when he thinks his cover might be blown.

Martin, you sent Ivor to a conspiracy web site. That is just cruel.

Some people derive comfort/energy/joy from visiting conspiracy web sites.Like Ivor, or someone else…hang on…it’s coming to me…THIS is a conspiracy web site…and YOU are on it…so therefore…need I finish?

“and you were being so nice”

I’ll try if you’ll try.

Martin .. just had a most interesting surf .. from the links that you provided ……. Yes I think that Margret Morris is right was an ingenious explanation .. And it fits. The Grand Pyramid is a Geometrical Marvel .. and whenever I see the Sun line up and reflected into some kind chamber .. I think .. why has it been built like that? .. exactly what is that burst of sunlight for ?, for it would soon be gone. A solar switch ?

But I have heard it said that the Fella were paid and fed very well .. amongst daily rations was a gallon jug of Barley Beer.

I have read various figures about Construction time .. some of which claim 20 years .. assume they had two thousand workers .. Logistically it was an excellent project .. full employment because they still had to attend to crops and fish tend cattle and sheep .. Wow, that sure is one expensive pyramid.

(@ Gary)

But if you’re somehow kind of

‘happy with how things are’

and

‘not too fussed with the current global situation’

and

‘fully happy for

‘towelheads’

&

‘camel jockeys’

to be

systemically

‘ground into the sand’

by

‘western sanctioned

“Economic and Ideological Progress”

to really give a fuck about what’s going on around you in your life

beyond rubbing your own ego in other people’s faces

Then I really can’t help you.

And believe me when I say to you :

I won’t try.

… and I really -really- mean that …

Ivor, I,m a bit tied up this aft/evening but I’ll get back to you soon with some interesting developments on the Birdlings Flat scenario. Hope you saw my last link on this. Glad you’re enjoying the wonders of the Great Pyramid (this deserves a separate thread of its own) Perhaps Scotty can cook up something when he’s finished cluttering up this thread with “the Gary/Scotty mudslinging show”. Grow up guys.My 3 & 5 year-olds display more maturity.

I am really fixed on Brownlees face and the other talking heads around him .. I am sort of reminded of the post Katrina Scenario and what subsequently happened.

I am most interested in the blue discs did a lot of people see them ?

Garry .. no no not the tall slim one with a full head of hair lol sit down you twerp .. I want the real Garry the one with the wig and the wobbly beer belly ..

Wot ya mean eeze at Saveloys ?

Ok Scot nows our chance we can head him off at the pass. Remember .. wig on a pointy head and a wobbly beer belly.

“I derive ‘comfort/energy/joy’ from neither, dickhead.”

The point I was making was that deriving comfort and joy from something does not make it right or true.

For example some people derive comfort and joy from roasting scrotums and disseminating anti vaccination lies.

Ivor, got your messages, I’ll spend some time posting later on today, there’s much to say.
Notice the resemblance between Brownlee & Jabba the Hutt? Heehee.

Ivor, re. those blue disc thingies. I first saw a big blown-up picture of these in The Press. It was an Article about “earthquake precursors”, and was explained as possible earthquake lights photographed over New Brighton, no date or any other details provided. Being familiar with the earthquake-light phenomenon, i knew this wasn’t typical. A google search netted the youtube clip I gave you guys the link for. The full photo sequence and explanation confirmed that whatever these were, they weren’t ‘quake-lights.
Frustating thing # 1:
If this is real, it went on right in my neighbourhood and I missed it, because I was working 2-10pm that week.
Frustrating thing # 2:
If it had occured a few days earlier, I would have been working 6am-2pm, which means I would have been stood outside at 5am admiring the stars, so I would have definitely seen something.
Now, I am always mindful of the possibility of a hoax, and have even thought of the means by which such a hoax could be accomplished. However, this case does not bear the hallmarks of your typical hoax. No one came forward with a message from the Cosmic Brotherhood, or an abduction tale, or to brag or seek publicity. So far I haven’t heard of any supplementary witnesses, but I guess there aren’t too many folks up and about at the hours these pics were purportedly taken.
I had actually almost forgotten about the case until I read the science-paper abstract by T.D.P on his visual observations of HAARP/HF experiments. As you can imagine I almost fell off my chair!
I have since found quite a number of descriptions of these HAARParitions in various research papers, but, dammit,no actual images to compare.
I’ll be back soon with latest developments on the Birdlings Flat facility.

Hot off the press.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/89259740/plasma report final

Thank you for that Martin .. HAARP .. then we have the incontrovertible fact of the fault line .. Then we have had reports of fault lines being utilized by the Military which means the Corporations .. they benefit .. small atom bomb in a fault line would be poohah street as opposed to Puha.

What is doing it for me is Brownlees face .. Look how these people are carving up that big white wedding cake .. A Christchurch that belongs to New Zealand .. it is a National Icon a Cantabrian City.

It seems to me that the Mayor has humbled his stance and when I watched Mr Brownlee on the news and heard the words and saw .. I saw the aftermath of Katrina .. The Wolves sat down to lunch .. In the Jazz Capital of the World .. New Orleans.

The appearance of those blue discs .. and of course prior to the Earthquake .. it could be coincidental at this point .. lol not!

Garry you note I have made a concession to you

If we knew the discs had moved and how they had changed angle at any time .. then I would think that would be de facto proof of a human agency involvement ? what do you think ?

Or could it have been a high energy beam in operation and focused at a certain area of ground ? because we do know that they can now project onto earth holographic images.

Exits left scratching chin.

Martin .. The plasma report .. Bingo!

So here we go.Yesterday I decided it was time to seek some guidance on gaining more info. on Birdling’s flat. Time to seek out “Splash”.
Splash is an interesting character, and a hardcore aviation buff. An absolute goldmine of information on the latest happenings at the US Antarctic operation at Chch. airport. He’s also the guy who tipped me off about the Birdlings Flat facility.
After abreif discussion about the “chemtrails” all over the place on Sunday, I got down to business. I told him what I had learned about Birdling’s F. and although he already knew much of it, he was interested to hear confirmation of a counterpart unit at Scott Base. “That would explain the antenna elements I saw being loaded onto a C-130 afew months back, as I suspected” he commented.
“Of course, the official story is, this stuff is for research on meteors by the Uni.”I said.
“You of all people don’t beleive all that paraphenalia is just for counting space-rocks?”
I told him I knew it was part of the superDARN and TIGER networks, so obviously there was more going on than Uni. projects.
“What do you know about the history of the facility? You know about its origins?”
“Sure,” I replied. “1963-64, RNZAF launched rockets there to study the Ionosphere. I think it was on behalf of NASA.”
Suddenly he changed the subject.
“Checked out the Christchurch quake map lately? Seen whats happening at Rolleston?”
“you mean that cluster of shallow quakes all around there? Big ring of them. Bit odd.”
“Think back to the history of the Birdling’s flat project. It started elsewhere initially.”
A lightbulb went on in RNZAF Weedons – at Rolleston. Are you saying there’s still something there?”
He raised an eyebrow. “I think you need to get back online and learn a bit more about Weedons. And while you’re at it, remember Robinsons Road? remember the geotech operation? There could be a connection!”.

So I took his advice. And here I sit , up to my neck in pdf files and a list of URLs as long as my arm, and some really tantalising stuff!

I’ll be back with some of my discoveries tomorrow….!

Great stuff Martin ..

You should see the strange looking antennae in my roof space at home. All very ‘sciencey’ looking and mysterious. There is a similar construction in one of the bedrooms and I have built one and installed it in another building across town.
I must confess, before you track me down on the Internet, that these devices are part of a super weapon that I am developing for the illuminati. This confession will of course lead to ‘them’ silencing me or perhaps they will just replace me with a near identical but more compliant copy. How will you know? How will I know?

Woo woo

Garry .. the Illuminati will silence you ? Woo Woo!

So you have some strange aerial arrays ? If so, that explains many things to me. Woo Woo!

So, I’ve “outed” you at last Gary. Its YOU that’s been causing all these earthquakes!
I can blame you for the crap weather too. And the rubbish programs on the telly.Stop transmitting crappy American chat shows. And while you’re at it, the subtitles on the Korean channel could be a bit more legible.

I’ll be back this afternoon/evening with an epic post on the latest developments. Dim the lights,cue the “X Files” theme tune…see you soon.

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3304-haarp-conspiracy-theory/

The science behind it
The problem with us humans, is that no matter what we create, it’ll eventually be used for one of two things; war, or boning. Unfortunately the weather provides no sexual stimulation, so this leaves the former.

Project HAARP = High-frequency Active Auroral Research

The name of this ‘research’ is a bullshit name protecting it’s potential to be worse than a nuclear bomb. It can be used to create a sci-fi type world war, thus pretty much ending the human race as we know it.
How could this be done?
By raping the sky with energy rays from large amounts of antennas placed at HAARP’s location in Alaska. These rays of energy could then potentially be reflected back into the Earth’s ionosphere on an extremely low frequency, called ELF waves, which will seriously fuck up your shit. This can change the ELF waves to an extremely dangerous weapon.

Good to see you’ve got a handle on the HAARP conspiracy Gary.Very funny.
“Wig on pointy head and big wobbly beer belly”. Hilarious!
And speaking of wobbly bellies, how about Gerry the Hutt on the front page of the paper today? His main priority (other than ruining Chch) seems to be the building of a convention centre, just opposite the Casino. Well, what a co-incidence, his buddy Johnny the Reptoid has just done a rule-changing dirty deal with Sky City regarding the building of a convention centre. 100 extra pokies. Just what the country needs. What is this convention-centre mania? Or are they really NWO temples in disguise?
And thats the other thing, speaking of temples. When Christchurch crumbled in a frenzy of demolition, what were the first places to re-open for business?
The Casino, the “Peaches and Cream” adult shop, and the Calendar Girls strip club. And the first things to be pulverised?
The churches and the family recreational venues.
And our iconic cathedral is to be replaced by a cardboard (yes, cardboard) edifice that resembles a cheesy Las Vegas interpretation of a pyramid. Oh, and isn’t the Casino egyptian-themed inside? Maybe they’re going to install pokies in the new cathedral?
When the people of Christchurch were asked for feedback on rebuild wishes and ideas, they unanimously voted for less brothels, less pokies, less strip clubs, and more nice parks and family oriented stuff. So Brownlee gives the council, and the people of Christchurch the Big Finger and throws the plan out the window.
Now don’t get me wrong here, I’m no puritan. My churchgoing days are long since over (disillusioned) and I have no objection to watching naughty ladies take their clothes off. But I do not wish to see The Garden City morph into Gerry the Hutt’s Gangster Paradise.
OK, rant over, back to the research !

Lets get this show moving.
Robinsons Road? What Splash was reffering to is something related to me by workmate Steve, who lives on a block of land bordering aforementioned road. Shortly after the February quake, a big white truck with “Quantum Geophysical” on the side parked up, and fluero’d workers laid black boxes joined by cables all the way up the length of the road. He inquired about their purpose. Sensing for faultline mapping, he was told, relating to the Greendale fault structure. It may rattle your house a bit when we switch this on, he was told, as the scanning equipment uses a 200MHz. frequency, pretty noticeable.
Also, some months previous, some sort of underground cable, possibly fibre-optic, was laid at the top end of Robinsons Rd. What for, no one seems to know. Certainly not for domestic use.

A couple of points here:
1 – Quantum geophysical was here on a $12 mil. contract from Gerry Brownlee to prospect for oil and minerals, using technology developed by our very own GNS. After the quakes started, they claimed to be here for the purpose of scanning for faultlines (all for the safety of the citizens of Chch of course).Here’s the proof:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BUO/S0080.html

2 – Robinsonsons road, as verified on Google maps, points directly at Rolleston, and specifically at Weedons, the site of much Greendale fault associated quake activity, and home of the RNZAF Weedons facility.

So whats the big deal with Weedons?

RNZAF Weedons dates back to WW2. In the 60′s it was involved in the previously mentioned Ionospheric rocket experiments for NASA. Then there was an antenna installed there that was used for radio-astronomy. Its main claim to fame was an experiment to bounce radio signals off the moon and relay the signal to Jodrell Bank radiotelescope facility in England. Sort of a precursor to laser-ranging. When scientific research activities were shifted to Birdlings Flat, the USAF and US Navy took over the Weedons facility, using it as a communications post for Scott Base as part of “operation Deep Freeze” housed at Christchurch Imternational Airport.

Check out these links!

http://www.converge.org.nz/abc/campaign_history.html

http://www.converge.org.nz/abc/pr27-79htm

As you can see, a history of protest and controversy at both Weedons post and Deep Freeze Base!

All very interesting, but what possible connection to the quakes?
RNZAF Weedons was closed down in 2008 I beleive, yet everything appears to be still there and functioning as far as I can tell. The antenna looks like a huge droopy umbrella arrangement. Remember its operational frequency, 200MHz, same frequency the geosensing guys were using to scan underground. Maybe that means nothing, but I’m not one to take such things for granted.
So I Googled keywords “Ionospheric Heating 200MHz.”…and I’ll tell you what I discovered tomorrow!
Stay tuned….

“OK, rant over, back to the research !”

Sorry Martin , but looking stuff up on the web is not research.

BTW, what is the significance of 200 MHz? Isn’t that just the usual frequency for ground penetrating radar?

As for card board cathedrals and the like, I would be happier if they demolished all the crack houses, tinny houses, alternative medicine dispensaries and churches. Let people find comfort in reality based truths instead of fantasies.

Sorry Martin , but looking stuff up on the web is not research.

Garry, exactly what is research ?

Martin .. Gerry Brownlees name sure does keep popping up in the most odd places. I am sure its just coincidence .. ah well the old adage .. follow the money .. follows money .. whoops sorry Gerry, what on earth are you doing here ?

Sorry Gary, looking stuff up on the web is research. The internet is the greatest research tool ever created (and also the biggest source of crap, but that’s what our brains are for.)
Since I do not possess the security clearance to walk through the gate at Deep Freeze, HAARP, or any other secure military facility, I use whatever source of knowledge and information gathering I can. You must remember I am a family man with a full time job. I think under the circumstances I do a pretty fair job of dredging up useful and interesting information for discussion and thought. You may choose to disagree, but then, you keep coming back for more, so I must be doing OK.

The piece about the cardboard cathedrals and whatnot was intended to be satirical in nature, although spending 4 mil. on a cardboard seems most un-Christian to me. Give the money to the poor and needy or whatever.

As for whether or not there is any significance to the 200MHz frequency, well, you,ll just have to wait and see won’t you? See you later on!

“Reality based truths”
Gary, are you referring to consensus reality, objective reality, subjective reality, or virtual reality…….??????

Martin .. please do not confuse him, you know that he gets potty mouthed when frustrated

Yes, Ivor, and when Gary gets potty-mouthed, It means he can’t come up with an intelligent comeback…and I win.
See you later on maybe, I’ll get back to my story eventually!
Was busy replying to you on the post about the political cartoons.

OK, here’s the rest.
And this is where things also take a sharp turn. As Isaid I Googled “200MHz Ionospheric heating”. Nothing relating to seismic activity, but the usual wealth of pdf files, mostly related to lightning storms!
One scholarly article about experiments at the Norway ionospheric heating facility refers to various forms of optical phenomena (again, only descriptions, no pictures).But all these latest crop of documents are utterly obsessed with the physics of how lightning is generated, and the formation of thunderstorms. Any guesses where this is heading?

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/uz/a535278.pdf

Yup,the US military machine, HAARP, and artificially triggered lightning. “Weather as a force Multiplier”? Imagine the power to generate and control lightning! The power of the gods. And you could blame it all on nature. Blast a squadron of enemy planes out of the sky without firing a single missile. Or to generate storms, maybe even tornadoes?

Now consider these facts garnered from Space Weather.com:

1 – Noctilucent clouds (high altitude stratospheric clouds that glow for unknown reasons) have spread dramatically in both number and distribution over the past couple of years. Previously a rare polar phenomenon, these clouds are now being seen and photographed worldwide.
2 – Lightning sprite season began 2-3 months early this year. These are stupendously large lightning flares that shoot upwards towards the ionosphere, and have been the subject of much scientific interest lately. (Google “images for lightning sprites” to view)
3 – The large amount of geomagnetic storm and auroral activity this past year is surprising, given that:-
4 – The current solar maximum, despite all the hype and against most predictions, is actually (so far at least) the quitest maximum in quite some time!

So, as with the earthquake situation,it would appear that we are being conditioned to a belief that there is something extraordinary about the current Solar Maximum when, apparently, there isn’t. And this “false flag” seems to be timed to coincide with the expectation of something “big” happening at the end of this year, as per the Mayan calendar prediction.
So my question is, if it is not the sun, then what is causing these ionospheric changes. Bear in mind that Barium Titanate, one of the prime ingredients of the alleged chemtrails, is noted for its excellent dielectric properties (that is , its ability to absorb and retain an electrical charge), and that whatever else HAARP and its counterparts may be used for, its actual function is to heat, to “charge up”, the ionosphere.
As you see, this avenue of research (take note Gary, RESEARCH) took an unexpected change of direction, but my quest continues.There is more digging to be done yet. To answer your question Gary, yes, 200 MHZ is the normal operating frequency of ground penetrating radar, as well as Pentium processors and no doubt a few other things. It would seem it is also a frequency used by HAARP in HF mode.

Hi Martin ..

wow that was one lot of information .. If I ever need a researcher then you are iT. The Military pdf file gives a 404 when trying it, or what the page said, “The page you seeking does not exist on this server”.

I believe Tesla did a lot of work in that area .. Could they use one of those Plasma bolts on a fault line ? .. has there been any known Natural lightening on a fault line ?

Hmm .. If we wish to cause an earthquake .. we now have thunderbolts plus small nuclear device in the fault .. what else?

Or could the earthquakes be some sort of Collateral damage ? damage incurred in the execution of a much larger plan ?

To that 200 Mhz we can also add its harmonics which would produce its own effect.

Its money! .. earthquake money. The rebuilding of ChCh city and to a lesser extent the suburban housing sector.

Its a dead ringer for New Orleans business wise .. not so much .. but not to be sniffed at.

I bet the liquefaction has given them a headache not to mention the citizens. It all smells like rotting fish to me.

http://tinyurl.com/df7nco
How Lightning is Formed

The first process in the generation of lightning generation is the separation of positive and negative charges within a cloud. Ice crystals inside cumulonimbus clouds rub against one another due to the strong updrafts in these clouds, thus building up a strong static charge.

Positively charged crystals tend to rise to the top causing the cloud top to build up a positive static charge and negatively charged crystals and hailstones drop to the middle and bottom layers of the cloud building up a negative static charge. Cumulonimbus clouds that do not produce enough ice crystals usually fail to produce enough static This site has some good information on lightning .. and in laymans terms ,, I found that helpful.

electricity to cause lightning.

Lightning can also occur as a result of volcanic eruptions or violent forest fires which generate sufficient dust to create a static charge.

The second process is the build up of positive charges on the ground beneath the clouds. The Earth is normally negatively charged with respect to the atmosphere. But as the thunderstorm passes over the ground, the negative charges at the bottom of the cumulonimbus cloud cause the positive charges on the ground to gather along the surface for several miles around the storm and becomes concentrated in vertical objects including trees and tall buildings. If you feel your hair stand up on end in a lightning storm beware. The negative charges from the cloud are pulling the positive charges inside your body to the top of your head and you could be in danger of being struck.

The third process is the generation of the lightning. When sufficient negatives and positives gather in this way, an electrical discharge occurs within the clouds or between the clouds and the ground, producing the bolt.
http://tinyurl.com/df7nco

Ivor, those of us who paid attention at school learned how lightning is made at primary school. If this is all new to you at 75 it is no wonder you are so mixed up about science and how the natural world actually works.
Sigh

Gary .. not everyone was taught how lightning works. So please show some empathy for the less informed.

As Martin has pointed out .. the power contained is stupendous .. a little extra information does not go amiss. So play the game .. sensible critisism only.

And hey we surely agree that ChCh CBD and surrounding areas are worth a few bikkies ?

And Natural Causes may or may not be right .. but it is fun examining a matter from all angles, and I bet that stuff that Martin dug up about the Military was a surprise .. all quite ordinary I am sure .. but how strange that the implements to cause great injury are in place.

If what we are now hearing, and given the anomalies of the Japanese Quake .. in fact the anomalies of 9/11 7/7 and a few more disasters around the world and the openly reported assassinations and the murderous repressions as a precursor to Invasion by a lunatic nation.

If what we have heard is happening then it would be fair to say that there is some conspiracy involved .. Yes ??

Your intelligent comments are always well received.

” … please show some empathy … ”

Not too sure whether he’ll be really be able to help you out on that one

And just think Garry .. 12 months good behavior would have Scot feeling pretty mean .. and maybe even sorry for wishing electrodes on your pills.

As for me it would be a blessed relief .. not having to check for commas and full stops before I make a post.

These people are going to deal to ChCh CBD .. woo eeeeeeeeeeek

AFP

NZ to lose ‘millions a year’ from Crafar sale
TVNZ – ‎1 hour ago‎

New Zealand will lose around $15 million in earnings every year from the sale of Crafar farms, according to a group opposed to the sale.

Methinks the foul odor of rotten fish assails the nostrils. Right out in the open .. what a poor opinion they have of those people who placed them in power ..

Good work Ivor, thanks for the link about lightning, sure makes easier reading than 15 pages of graphs and calculus!
Re the military document I tried it and met the same brick wall, yet the link is correct. You can however access it by punching in:

dtic mil full text a535278

They can run but they can’t hide, hehehe!
Crafar Farms, another wonderful deal of great benefit to the country (China, that is…)
Looking at some of the architectural renderings for the Christchurch rebuild. Soul-less boxes of glass and concrete. Bland.
Remember I joked about these new convention centres being NWO temples? When our US/Pacific Forum visitors from the US Oil/Military machine were here on 21 & 22 Feb. last year, they met at the Chch. convention centre. So maybe my comment was not far off the mark.
Back soon with much more….

Take a look at this, I will fill you in on the significance of this tomorrow. I dread the consequences:

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article207564.ece

“Looking at some of the architectural renderings for the Christchurch rebuild. Soul-less boxes of glass and concrete. Bland.”

I could live with soulless provided they don’t collapse when the next quake comes.

Martin, I agree that safety is more important than appearance, but it is possible to have both…

http://www.domeofahome.com/

Or if you prefer something a little more conventional looking….

http://www.domehome.com/

Now that Ivor has learned about how lightning works, perhaps he could go and learn about the huge benefits of vaccination. He could also show some empathy for all the parents of sick and dead kids who were ignornt enough to follow the advice of ignorant anti vaccers.

Neo, the hurricane proof house would have some relevance to those of you living in the Auckland end of the country.

Your comments are very relevant Neo, and to be honest, I’ve been to the “pop up” mall made from shipping containers (expecting to be repulsed) and it was actually very well done. Had a real “village” atmosphere, a vast improvement over the brick and concrete edifices they replaced.
I prefer Wild and Imaginative to plain and mundane. I have been a lifelong fan of Roger Dean and his ideas for buildings that blend with their surroundings and draw inspiration from the forms of nature.

Check out RogerDean.com
Click on “Architecture”. This is how we the world should be.
Oh, and check out his fantasy art.
And yes, he has a lawsuit against James Cameron in the works for blatantly ripping off his style in “Avatar”.

Your Dome-Home looks very Roger dean inspired also Gary. This is more like it. Welcome to my world.
I repeat, this is how the world should be.
Ban the Box!

Roger Dean? His architecture looks more inspired by caves than science. I suppose that is why it resonates with us … We evolved in caves.

Buckminster Fuller is the man!
http://bfi.org/design-science

“The function of what I call design science is to solve problems by introducing into the environment new artifacts, the availability of which will induce their spontaneous employment by humans and thus, coincidentally, cause humans to abandon their previous problem-producing behaviors and devices. For example, when humans have a vital need to cross the roaring rapids of a river, as a design scientist I would design them a bridge, causing them, I am sure, to abandon spontaneously and forever the risking of their lives by trying to swim to the other shore.”

- R. Buckminster Fuller, from Cosmography

Design Science is a problem solving approach which entails a rigorous, systematic study of the deliberate ordering of the components in our Universe. Fuller believed that this study needs to be comprehensive in order to gain a global perspective when pursuing solutions to problems humanity is facing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_science_revolution

“Amongst other grand strategies for making the world work and taking care of everybody is the design science revolution of providing ever more effective tools and services with ever less, real resource investment per each unit of end performance. For instance, a communications satellite, weighing only one-quarter of a ton is now out-performing the transoceanic communication capabilities of 175 thousand tons of copper cable” World Game by R. Buckminster Fuller-How It Came About, April 1968

http://www.cjfearnley.com/cgi-bin/cjf-fortunes.pl?srchstr=Fuller&name=Submit

Selected quotes from the great man.

And while we’re on the subject of Roger Dean influence,

http://www.nz-hotrod.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?6249-Muscle-Car -Madness-Pics

Scroll past the photo montage, down to I think, the 4th photo. The white contraption with the purple graphics. I wonder what loony built this thing?

Re. buckminster F, yes, I,m aware of the man and his unique genius. Being a hot rodder I’m very impressed by his “Dymaxion” prototype car. Really thinking outside the square. And yes, Dean’s architecture is based around emotion rather than science: caves, womb-like security. Yet also practical: very warm, so cheap to heat. Strong due to the organic shapes, and resistant to harsh weather (aero and hydro – dynamic). What about earthquake resistance. I suspect that the Buckminsterfullerite dome structures and Dean’s organic Gunnite/composite structures would stand up to seismic vibration better than a big old box.

What a hoot .. Bucki inspired homes .. a commercial variety must be able to present the basic module .. then how it gets fitted out and decorated is a personal choice .. That would save a few starving artists from expiring in their Garrets.

Just imagine a home for everybody .. cheap ! But there would be the usual resistance of the Business Round Table via the Government .. sigh

Back to this Earth Quake thingy .. We were at the point when Martin laid a few facts for our consideration .. I had hoped that we might have homed in on the most anomalous for a closer look .. Now down Garry .. Down dammit!

There are bales and bales of money involved here .. and we may understand from our history of World War 1 and World War 2 of Korea and Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan and even further interference with long suffering Africa .. Raping and Plundering Cities is nothing new .. it was par for the course .. but nowadays it is done in a different setting with different clothes but the results are the same.

So we know the machinery that is rumored responsible for a few disasters is present, and by strange coincidence there is a disaster .. that seems like a starting point .. if we are game to take a look ?

“Neo, the hurricane proof house would have some relevance to those of you living in the Auckland end of the country.”

Alas, half the housing up here can’t even stand up to a light sun-shower.

God bless untreated timber and monolithic cladding.

Perhaps this was a conspiracy by the building/engineering branch of the NWO..?

Re-cladding and construction is booming here now.

Follow the money Neo .. just follow the money !

It usually ends in a decadent place .. where substantial quantities of Cocaine or Meth is snorted up through straws of $100 bank notes.

And who when needed instructs his Member of Parliament of his requirements.
He is able to do this because he caught the said member in a serious peccadillo, sort of accidentally on purpose .. Nudge Nudge Wink Wink.

Hi guys, Ivor I can tell you’re chomping at the bit to get back onto the conspiracy side of things. Have no fear. Hope you’ve checked out my link on the Reflex/Otto Marine vessel, there’s some real juicy info. coming up!

How do you like my hot rod? Think it’s unrelated to our discussions? think again. Every line and curve on the body was designed and constructed using the Golden Ratio…just like those who built the pyramids and great cathedrals!

Your Chariot Martin .. does it eat people ?

Its BARF time

Ngai Tahu Property chief executive Tony Sewell is singing Earthquake Minister Gerry Brownlee’s praises.

“We just think it’s outstanding leadership by Brownlee and his team.”

Ngai Tahu Property has a portfolio of about $450 million and is one of the city’s biggest developers and property investors.

Brownlee announced this week that Cera’s demolition man Warwick Isaacs will head Cera’s new team to lead the recreation of the central city. Isaacs has 100 days to put a redevelopment “blueprint” together based on the Christchurch City Council’s CBD plan.

“You’ve got to hand it to Gerry this time. No matter what you say he has produced the goods,” Sewell enthuses.

Property developers have been worried by the myriad of restrictions in the council’s CBD plan and the prospect of long-winded planning consent processes. They have been thirsting for direction and a clear set of rules, Sewell says.

Brownlee’s decisions this week are exactly what is needed. Property developers “love it”.

Sewell doesn’t criticise the council for its CBD plan. It did what it was asked under the legislation that governs councils and planning rules.

But the Cera team under Isaacs will be able to cut through the lengthy Resource Management Act processes through the powers of the Cera Act. Brownlee has endorsed most of volume one of the council’s CBD plan which sets out the vision for a low-rise, green-spaces city, based on residents’ submissions in last year’s Share an Idea campaign.

But he has not endorsed the plethora of changes to the district plan contained in volume two, which the council wanted to use to enforce the vision. It was these details – building heights, car parking, vehicle access restrictions, design requirements – that frustrated developers.

Sewell can’t imagine there will be much room to argue with Isaac’s master plan when it is completed.

Sewell acknowledges developers are distrusted.

“Property developers have a terrible reputation. I don’t think people understand that every single building that was ever built in our city, the person who built it wore the label of developer.

“The sharks that come in and go broke and half-build things . . . they get too much publicity and the good guys like us, we just get thrown in the same bag.”

More Barf here .. http://tinyurl.com/7q5ljcx

Pass me the chuck-bucket Ivor, talk about a barf-o-rama! Sure am getting sick of hearing the name Brownlee.
Anyone have doubts about a connection between RF energy and Earthquakes? Read this carefully:

http://www.rexresearch.com/tate/tate.htm

You can bypass the first part unless you’re an electrical buff, its the second part of the article that matters.

Some more “homework” relevant to what I’m building up to.
Remember my link on the Reflex vessel ? Read on…

http:www.sciencelearn.org.nz/News-Events/News-Archive/2010-News-archive/Oil-Exploration-survey-in-New-Zealand

http://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/News-Events/News-Archive/2010-News-archive/Oil-exploration-survey-in-New-Zealand

This Time..?

Re your hot rod Martin. What is it for?

Well well well .. Its a done deal then .. that Brownlee seems to be very light on his feet.

So NZ has already spent a lot of money on this .. I wonder who is going to get it ? BP ?

Yes I agree with the author of this post. Absolutely correct. Thank you for bringing public awareness too this. The man made earthquakes are not the only global acts of terrorism New Zealand and all countries face. For more information on histories of covert crimes on the innocent public (includes newspaper articles and reports by respected researchers etc) Go to:

http://www.organised-crime-of-covert-electronic-assault-nz.com/weatherforced-disaster-modificationweaponry.html

Sadly we cannot trusted everything we have been brought up to believe. There is so much history and evidence evolving to back this up!

Gary, “what is it for?”, well…good question. Its never finished, so far I’ve spent ten years on it, and this is what I do instead of pissing my money away at the pub. I belong to a hot rod club, so I socialise with others who build pointless, frivolous vehicles for fun, and it’s a creative outlet for my artistic and mechanical skills. I designed it. I learned how to do fibreglassing and built a body. I learned how to do welding and built the frame and substructures. I learned how to do electrical stuff and wired it up. I rebuilt and modified the engine, and I painted it. And now I’ve learned how to upholster and am in the process of trimming it (in white leather and purple suede).
I am reminded of the story of the snooty critic who said to Monet, “I assume, monseur, that you are dabbling in paint to amuse yourself?” Monet’s reply: ” Absolutely.And when it ceases to amuse me I shall stop.”
There’s your answer Gary. It’s for amusement.

Thanks for your input wendy NZ.
Sorry about the detour into the psychology of hot-rodding.
I’ll get back to some serious conspiracy stuff shortly, as we’re getting to some seriously suspicious goings-on around the time these quakes started…and we just had a good one a few minutes ago. Better go check it out on the quake map. See y’all soon…

In answer to your Question Ivor “who gets this?” Remember the name Anadarko. By the time I’ve finished with my next piece of the puzzle, it will be a name you won’t forget in a hurry !!

That quake was a 4.2 mag, a long rolling one, 11ks depth, just offshore from New Brighton. Again.
Like that Reflex ship (and its counterpart Aquila) they just keep coming back…..

“Sorry about the detour into the psychology of hot-rodding.”

Don’t be sorry, it is far more interesting than all this conspiracy babble.

Martin- To me it was obvious when the first earthquake hit that it was odd and likely to be man made. A lot was going on in politics and the military are not usually based in CHCH or the surrounding areas. I think the first big earthquake was a warning to our politicians and the second big one that took lives, drained further funds after much had been spent on a rebuild was a retaliation for NZ not complying with others. The fact that the earthquakes have not stopped and the government is still hard set on rebuilding CHCH makes me think that they don’t care how broke NZ gets or how many more lives may be taken when the powers of the world decide to do the next big one in CHCH. What surprises me more is the general public seem to be complying and still trust what the government say. I think that 2012 is the year that a lot of hideous hidden truths about what so called trusted professionals have kept hidden will overflow so much that the dumbed down nation will have no choice – but to believe and act. Thanks again for bringing public awareness to NZ.

Gary, wanna be a rebel and join a hot rod club? You even get to wear a cool jacket and stuff. No? OK then, back to the conspiracy stuff that bores you so much you keep coming back for more. Hmmm….

Hello Wendy, yes, I think 2012 is a year of big change, whether you believe in Mayan predictions or not. I’m amazed how, what back in the early 80′s was an obscure piece of esoteric trivia has become so ingrained in the minds of the general public. People expect something “big” to happen, and its almost become a self-fullfilling prophecy. Then there’s the military/government powers utilising 2012 for their own agendas. Indeed, what’s going on in Christchurch (assuming its not all natural events and co-incidences, right Gary?) could be percieved as a small-scale “Blue Beam” type operation: bring down the old city with earthquakes, give the government “emergency powers” that override local council authority, and rebuild the city to NWO specifications. Is Christchurch being used as a Test-Bed?

When I get back on-site tonight after work (all going to plan) I”ll get to the next part of the puzzle, and why the presence of the Reflex and Aquila exploration ships in Chch. waters is so important to my quest for answers.

Reading the conspiracy stuff amuses me.

“…And when it ceases to amuse me I shall stop.”

“People expect something “big” to happen, ”

Really? No one I know is expecting anything related to the Mayan calendar rollover. It’s just a calendar!

(assuming its not all natural events and co-incidences, right Gary?)

Why would you assume otherwise? Coincidences happen all the time. People have a built in tendency to see patterns and relationships even when there are none. e.g. autism/vaccine… acupuncture/pain relief.

Some people are more inclined to ‘see’ connections than others. Sound evolutionary reasons for this of course. But some take it to extremes and see conspiracies everywhere.

Unrelated thought – Q. What do you call people who use homeopathic contraceptions.
A. Parents.

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action

Easy – ‘Uncensored.co.nz bloggers’ like Gary et al

We are like frogs slowly being boiled in water.

Useless blog frogs Gary.

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Hello Brian,

one must take into account, that at Garrys stage in life a sudden shock may activate his brain.

That would never do, just imagine the head cramps as the blood forces its way through his decrepit organ, oooh wooo ohhhhhhh gawd the truth hurts .. switch it off switch it off .. for Gods sake have mercy.!

Meanwhile at Hobbits ville a brick is silently placed in a sock and tested against the door.

Chemical Complex is on fire with nuclear fuel in Yamaguchi

http://tinyurl.com/7safw5p

This supposedly occured by a lightening strike ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Skeptics'_Guide_to_the_Universe

The Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe is a weekly, 80 minute podcast hosted by Steven Novella, MD, and a panel of “skeptical rogues”. It is the official podcast of the New England Skeptical Society, and is produced in conjunction with the James Randi Educational Foundation. The show features discussions of myths, conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, the paranormal, and many general forms of woo-woo, from the point of view of scientific skepticism. The show also features discussions of recent scientific developments in layman’s terms, and interviews authors, people in the area of science and other famous skeptics. The host of the show has been particularly active in debunking pseudoscience in medicine. His recent activities include opposing the claims of anti-vaccine activists, homeopathy practitioners and individuals denying the link between HIV and AIDS.[1][2][3]

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

Learn where you are going wrong.

Sorry Garry warry the great Randi Pandies name has given the game away ..

A bunch of fundie loonies Gary, to be treated with care. How does Steven Novella oppose the scientists who deny the HIV/Aids link? Did he manage to out-scientist the top people in the field and isolate the virus they can’t find?

Ivor, see ‘ad hominem’ in the last link I posted.

Gerard, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah that is soo funny.

Lightning strike Ivor? Funny we were just discussing that subject.Of course its just coincidence.

Well HAARP has been around for a few .. I have never really looked at it before .. But I did some Tesla ..

The potential for extreme destruction is mind stopping .. plus the underwater communications .. we must also be signaling that we are tampering with the ionosphere outwards into space.

I wonder whether it is like flying a drone .. ok nearly on target .. ready .. ZAP! a million or two volts DC .. “it works every time” he said putting down the joystick and rubbing his hands ..

I have censored the above out of regard for Garry. However just imagine a weapon that can do things like that .. imagine if it were in the hands of criminal elements instead of the firm sure hands of authority .. such as the USA .. phew I feel so lucky!

My ancient forebears had a saying: “Beware of ships from the North!”.
And with good reason:
They were usually Viking raiders intent on pillage, pilfer and conquest.
And it was shortly before the September Greendale eathquake that I stood at the end of New brighton pier and beheld a ship from the North. Apart from the radar apparatus all over it, the most curious part was the hydraulic arm that was busily prodding the ocean, doing who-knows what.
If you’ve been following my posts you’ve probably guessed the identity of this vessel, and pillage and plunder was indeed its purpose (albeit with a legal permit!)
While the Reflex Resolution was busy probing the Canterbury seabed, their land-lubbing co-contractees Quantum Geophysical were gearing up for a similair prospecting exercise on dry land.
At the time I knew nothing of such matters, and soon our attentions were diverted by the September quake. Suddenly Reflex were nowhere to be seen, and Quantum entered the media stage, smoothly donning the mantle of impartial scientific researchers, here to map and study faultlines.
It was only much later, after the bizzarre “quake swarm” in the sea just off the New Brighton beach area got into full swing, that I remembered that oddball ship. You must understand, at this stage I would have laughed at the suggestion that the quakes were anything other than natural seismic activity. But these quakes were getting beyond a joke. They were keeping us awake at night. Then there was that deep, pulsing hum that plagued me for hours at a time on certain nights. Nicky & the kids weren’t bthered by it, but I seemed particularly sensitive to it. (it’s less frequent these days, but it was quite strong for an hour or so after that 4.2 the other night.)
I decided to try and find out about that ship, and thats when I found out about Gerry B’s mineral exploration contract deal, and what these geopysical guys were really here for.
Ivor asked the question “who gets all this?” The principal sponsors of this venture, and subsequent beneficiaries, is Anadarko Petroleum.

At this point, it is appropriate for me to give credit and thanks to Jeff Phillips and Uncensored Admin. for the article that provided the links and leads I needed to check up on “who’s who” on the Anadarko board of directors.
What a line-up!

JAMES HACKETT, CEO: Also a director of Halliburtons and a Trilateral commission member.
He met personally with John key in November 2011.

PRESTON M. GEREN III :
Former secretary of both Army and Air Force.
He joined the Department of Defense in September 2001 ( take note 911 conspiracy buffs!) as a “Special Assistant” with responsibilities in the areas of “inter-agency Initiatives, legislative affairs, and Special Projects” I love the last bit, special projects? conjures up all manner of speculation.

H.PAULETTA ELBEHART :
Her resumee says she’s also director of CDI corporation, who’s website wasn’t giving away any clues as to their line of business!
After a bit of digging I discovered they;ve had close ties with the US Military since the 50′s, and specialise in marine design and technology and ship aquisition. I wonder who Acquires Anadarko’s vessels? This lady knows how to feather her own nest!

PAULA REYNOLDS :
Also a director of BAE systems, the high tech military contractor, who (wait for it..) recently completed the $35 mill. “phase 2″ upgrade of HAARP !

I saved the best ’til last!

GENERAL KEVIN CHILTON :
An ex space-shuttle pilot. Before joining Anadarko he was, until May last year, Head of US space Command.
That means he was in charge of Space command at the time his “underling” T.D. Pederson noted the observation of high power HF ionospheric heating experiments resulting in “bullseye” structures forming.

More to come. Stay tuned!

“Then there was that deep, pulsing hum that plagued me for hours at a time on certain nights. Nicky & the kids weren’t bthered by it, but I seemed particularly sensitive to it. ”

That’s because you are special.

…and so clever that you are able to uncover conspiracies perpetrated by the rich and powerful.
Have you considered that all this information that your ‘research’ is uncovering is just a little too easy to find … That it may have been planted by the perpetrators of an even darker conspiracy in order to divert your attention from what is really going on?

Garry .. off you go to mummy and have your botty wiped you useless piece of bum drop.

That was a fruitful area of search Martin .. I am starting to lean to a suggestion that the ChCh earthquake is a feint in that peoples suffering and all that follows on from that has been used to mask what is really going on.

We are getting this malarky about the women and kids blah blah blah and meanwhile back at the ranch the ranchers daughter is repelling the advances of the evil banker who is going to foreclose and open an oil and gas field.

Re the hum .. I used to have a toaster which when in use would pick up the local radio station .. music whilst I toast .. yet no one else could hear it.

Garry .. get mommy to empty your potty before putting it on your head.

Anadarko’s mission is to deliver a competitive and sustainable rate of return to shareholders by developing, acquiring and exploring for oil and gas resources vital to the world’s health and welfare.
_____________________

Ladies and Gentlemen we hereby declare the Canterbury Oil and Gas Fields open for business .. we can be forgiven if we rub our hands because it has been a long arduous road .. we have fobbed the peasants off with a cardboard cathedral and few obscenely expensive lumps of concrete and used pipi shells.

We would also like to give our grateful thanks to the Government of New Zealand who have made this fine contribution to the Texan economy and especially for hordes of minimum wage workers desperate for jobs.

So tuck into the Bluff Oysters, wild caught NZ Salmon and champagne and then its Heigh Ho for the North Island in the land of suckers.

We have the instruments in place, and we have the universal motive, Moloch and Money.

Like a magnet and iron filings it all slides into place .. methinks they have done this before.

But what of the groundwater could there be future competition between oil and crops and then the people ?
And whilst that goes on we bleed billions.

Eyeless Shrimp and Fish With Tumors: The Horrific Consequences of BP’s Spill
Despite mounting environmental and health consequences, not to mention the death of 11 workers, no executives have received jail time.
April 18, 2012

Almost two full years after the BP oil spill, a panel of experts gathered at the 17th annual Tulane Environmental Law Summit, to present the continuing impacts of the BP Oil Spill. That spill began with the April 20th, 2010 explosion of the Deepwater Horizon drilling unit used by BP 40 miles off the Louisiana coast. Eleven men lost their lives. The resulting spill of oil into the Gulf of Mexico stands as the largest oil spill in U.S. history and the second largest environmental disaster in this country to date besides the nearly decade-long Dust Bowl of the 1930s. Scientists at the summit presented recent photographs of shrimp with no eyes and fish with cancerous tumors born long after the gulf was declared “safe” for fishing.

It turns out that testing water and fish flesh under the surface oil after the spill was not very telling about long term impacts as oil and water don’t mix and the chronic, toxic impacts were delayed until long after BP was put in charge of the “clean up.” When BP sprayed chemical dispersants containing a slew of toxic heavy metals including arsenic, the oil didn’t magically disappear. It sank into the sediment. Disturbingly, the allowable levels set by the government for the toxins in our seafood are based on health impacts for a 176 pound adult eating less than 2 medium shrimp a day. The testing is for 1 chemical out of a crude oil mixture containing thousands of chemicals. No synergistic effects are considered. This in no way protects children, fetuses, people who weigh less than 176 pounds or anyone who eats seafood on a daily basis like the folks here on the Gulf Coast.

More … http://tinyurl.com/7fzjzb2

Hey Wendy ..

interesting website you posted .. I note that it appears to be a world wide problem ?

Do you think this is a random affair or is it deliberately targeted ? What the buzz on the matter because there could be a linkage or should I say spill over from the tampering with the ionesphere ..

People have different hearing ranges and sense different vibrations .. sort of like my Toaster picking up a signal that only I seemed to hear ..

Interesting you mention the BP oilspill Ivor, as Anadarko were the first to point the finger at BP when this disaster occured. As Jeff Philips pointed out in his article, “the smeller’s the fella!”.
Seems to me, looking at the list of villains on the Anadarko board of directors, that this is not so much a corporation as an inter-agency branch of the US military hiding behind a corporate logo.
Also note that Anadarko cronies were in John Key’s office when the February quake struck, and within a few hours they had a permit to bring in their own “research vessel”, the Aquila.
What was Preston Geren’s job again? “inter agency initiatives” and “special projects”. Is that what Anadarko is?

With regards to Tesla, yes, HAARP is based on Tesla’s ideas. Stolen, some would say.Phase conjugation technology, especially the plasma/conjugated laser ionospheric antenna device I saw on that link I gave you guys last week, bears a very suspicious resemblence a Tesla patent for a “focussed beam weapon”.

Looking at yesterday’s paper, it would seem my sentiments regarding the architectural designs for Christchurches rebuild, are echoed by many, judging by the letters to the editor.
I’m just waiting for them to erect a big owl statue and sacrificial altar somewhere. Probably in the new convention centre/ NWO temple!

Gary, Gary, Gary. “because you are special”. Yes I am. Thanks for the compliment. You are special also.
I do not uncover the conspiracies of the rich and powerful. I find information (which does not leap into my hands by magic, I have to use my smarts to find it.)
I then ponder what it might mean, I speculate, string things together, present the information (including links to the “raw” data for your appraisal), and await you input, your thoughts, your criticisms and insights. And yes I have a tendency to see patterns where others may not. I consider this ability a gift, not a handicap. As you have noted yourself, I retain a healthy skepticism about this stuff and do not leap to conclusions.
By the way, I am not alone in hearing “the hum.”

Regarding your comments about the stuff I find on the net being “plants” by a “darker conspiracy”. Thats whats called Disinformation, and it’s entirely possible that some of this stuff is indeed disinformation. How would you know. YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH!. For example, I presented a link to a military document announcing the ability to produce “star wars-like” 3d holograms. On its own, this document is worthless as evidence. It seems far fetched and could well be a fabrication. BUT a lengthy trail of scholarly research papers led to my finding of this document. It has a context, a history, and a credible foundation suggesting its validity. The fact that it has been released into the public domain and was uncovered so easily (I discovered afterwards that this document was available on Rense and other conspiracy sites), is not because it is a hoax, but because it “old information”, which means they have developed something better, one would suspect.